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Oct. 27, 2015

Ivy Lust? One Guy's Perspective (Final Thoughts)

For those of you who may have landed on this post, instead of my two previous posts regarding so-called “Ivy lust," let me recap. I define Ivy lust as that almost indefinable force that attracts legions of high schoolers and even (especially?) their parents to the most prestigious and hard-to-get-into colleges and universities in America.

This black-hole-strength gravity plays a big part in many high school seniors' college selection processes. Because of the punishing acceptance rates of the Ivies and other “elite" colleges and universities, this attraction often leads to bitter disappointment in the final tally, when decisions come out. With single-digit acceptance rates, is that any wonder?

Today, as my final (at least for now) thoughts on this issue, I would like to discuss rationales for selecting colleges during the college search process. There are good reasons to choose and apply to a school. There are also not-so-good reasons.

In my previous post, I cited:

10 reasons why kids pick certain colleges (I've heard all of these at one time or another):

1. “My boyfriend/girlfriend is going there."

2. “They had a national championship football/basketball/hockey/etc. team last year."

3. “It's close to/far from home."

4. “There are lots of black/Jewish/Catholic/gay/lesbian/Latin/Asian/etc. students there."

5. “It's Harvard/Yale/Princeton/Stanford/MIT/Duke/Williams/etc."

6. “They offered such a good aid package, my parents could buy me a car."

7. “My brother/sister/father/mother/grandfather-mother/aunt/uncle/etc. went there."

8. “The guys/girls/buildings/campus/etc. in their viewbook looked socool."

9. “I like to ski/surf/climb/swim/hang glide/play Ultimate Frisbee/etc."

10. “It meets more of my criteria than most other colleges."

In the vast cosmos of why kids want to go to certain colleges, the thinking seems to fall into four general logic pockets. Remember, some kids make their college picks based on stimuli other than their own head or heart. Mom and dad might be providing strong input inspired by any number of motivations, selfish or otherwise.

Here are the four general categories:

1. Possible temporal personal reasons:

Just as today's snowstorm can give way to next month's flower blossoms, so do attitudes and cyclical fads come and go. That's why picking a college based on reasons from this group can be dangerous (and expensive). Picking a tried-and-true brand-name college can offset much of the negative potential contained in this type of reasoning.

Think about these for a minute:

– “My boyfriend/girlfriend is going there."

It doesn't take a lot of insight to see the dangers here. Today's boyfriend can be tomorrow's nemesis. Breakups can be especially hurtful at smaller colleges where everyone seems to know everyone's business. Negative side effects of breakups include depression, anxiety, damaged academics, transfers, and other less-pleasant realities. If this is one of your top criteria for picking a college, try to use more imagination.

– “They had a national championship football/basketball/hockey/etc. team last year."

Ever heard the phrase “from the penthouse to the outhouse"?This happens in the world of sports — a lot. It's easy to be “Notre Dame Proud" when the Irish gridiron squad is 11-1 or 12-0. How proud will you be after two consecutive .500 or (heaven forbid) losing seasons? Sure, there are perennial sports powerhouses out there, but their continuing dominance is not a certainty. Coaches retire, get fired, and have bad recruiting years. Be certain that you can survive your college's “outhouse" days, should they occur.

– “It's close to/far from home."

– “I like to ski/surf/climb/swim/hang glide/play Ultimate Frisbee/etc."

These two stem from the same geographic root. Remember that great song lyric: “We gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever do!"? You may feel that way right now and want to get as far away as possible from mom, dad, brother, and sister. However, as with the other reasons listed here, there is a temporal quality about them. They are subject to change. Consequently, if you live in New Jersey and pick a college in Oregon, you're going to experience lots of hassles if, after you spend a few weeks away from the old homestead, you find that — surprise! — the old folks and brats back home maybe weren't all that bad. On the other hand, maybe those long separations will give both sides a chance to re-establish some calmer perspectives about one another.

The flip side of this approach is the perceived need to be not that far away from friends and family. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with this approach if you have a binding need to stay close, such as an ill parent or relative who requires your attention. You might also have a job that you don't want to leave. That's fine. On the other hand, if you don't want to leave home, you may be denying yourself an important lesson in maturity and independence. College is one of those branches in the road where you can steer your life in new directions. Keep an open mind.

Picking a college simply because surf's up, the powder is close to the clam chowder, or whatever, is another of those conditional choices. Conditions can change. If you pick a school in the far Northeast for skiing opportunities, and then either lose interest or sustain an injury, you could discover just how cold New Hampshire winters are when you're not shagging down a slalom at full speed. There are also low-snow winters when the powder is scarce. Just examine your geographic preferences carefully before committing.

– “The guys/girls/buildings/campus/etc. in their viewbook look socool."

If, like most high school students, you have the usual big green garbage bags full of college catalogs and viewbooks, take a close, dispassionate look at them. See any similarities? Notice how just about every college looks like Yale somehow with some buildings sporting high Gothic spires and a good dose of ivy growing in all the right places. The lawns are lush green and the sky is deep blue with just a touch of fluffy white clouds. There's usually a lake, beside which a distinguished-looking professor leads his very small class in an animated discussion of some profound topic. Best of all, the students are so diverse!

Wake up and smell the dumpsters, kids! Viewbooks are marketing pieces, just like those Burger King commercials on television. When's the last time you saw a Whopper coming at you through the drive-up window that looked like a TV Whopper? It's the same thing with viewbooks. You've got to “trod the sod." Go there and visit these places if they interest you. Look for that lake. Is it drained? Check out those Gothic spires. Is the building still inhabited by humans? What about those small classes? Are they for real? What's the statistical breakdown of minorities in the student body? Maybe they put the entire minority population in that one picture. Once, a college recalled its viewbooks when someone discovered that the image of a black student on the cover had been Photoshopped in. That really happened. Obvious moral: Don't base your college picks on marketing materials.

2. Almighty-dollar reasons:

– “They offered such a good aid package, my parents could buy me a car for college."

As incredible as it may sound, financial considerations shouldn't always be first on you list. Many less-than-optimum college experiences have happened and are in progress right now because of money than any other issue. Don't let sticker price alone be your criterion. Take my word on that.

3. Personal pride and family-tradition reasons:

– “There are lots of black/Jewish/Catholic/gay/lesbian/Latin/Asian/etc. students there."

– “My brother/sister/father/mother/grandfather/grandmother/aunt/uncle/etc. went there."

Picking a college because others in your family went there or because others “like you" go there may be a perfectly fine idea, but it may also greatly limit your individualism and quest for personal growth. Even though your relatives may have found one particular school successful in meeting their unique needs, maybe that school won't do the same for you. Likewise, if you want to stay around others whose orientation, in whatever aspect, is the same as your own, then a school with many similar kinds of students should be fine. Keep in mind, though, that it's a big world out there and you'll eventually have to enter the fray. You'll more than likely have little control over whom you have to associate with day after day. That's why it may be better to consider a broader swath of college demographic options.

4. The best reason:

– “It meets more of my criteria than most other colleges."

There may be other ways of stating it, but this is by far the best approach to picking a college. It covers all the bases: demographics, location, financial, and so forth. Approaching college selection with a mind toward balance is similar to a smart investment strategy. If you spread your investment across a wide enough menu of considerations, an isolated downturn can't hurt you that badly.


Pretty simple, isn't it? Well, not really.

There are just way too many distractions and seductive forces at work for many high schoolers and their parents along the college-process path. To reduce what I'm saying into Aesop-fable terms, consider this:

A dog was carrying a piece of meat in his mouth to eat it in peace at home. On his way he had to cross a bridge across a brook. As he crossed, he looked down and saw his own reflection in the water. Thinking it was another dog with another piece of meat, he made up his mind to have that also. So he made a snap at the shadow in the water, but as he opened his mouth the piece of meat fell out, dropped into the water and was lost.

Bottom line: If you want it all, you may lose it all.

To all high school seniors out there: Best wishes to you on your college quest this year. May your decisions be reasonable, your actions deliberate, and your results exciting!


Be sure to see my other college-related articles on College Confidential.

Written by

Dave Berry

Dave Berry

Dave is co-founder of College Confidential and College Karma Consulting, co-author of America's Elite Colleges: The Smart Buyer's Guide to the Ivy League and Other Top Schools, and has over 30 years of experience helping high schoolers gain admission to Ivy League and other ultra-selective schools. He is an expert in the areas application strategies, stats evaluation, college matching, student profile marketing, essays, personality and temperament assessments and web-based admissions counseling. Dave is a graduate of The Pennsylvania State University and has won national awards for his writing on higher education issues, marketing campaigns and communications programs. He brings this expertise to the discipline of college admissions and his role as a student advocate. His College Quest newspaper page won the Newspaper Association of America's Program Excellence Award, the Pennsylvania Newspaper Publisher's Association Newspapers in Education Award, the Thomson Newspapers President's Award for Marketing Excellence and the Inland Press Association-University of Kentucky School of Journalism and Mass Communications Inland Innovation Award for the Best New Page. His pioneering journalism program for teenagers, PRO-TEENS, also received national media attention. In addition, Dave won the Newspaper Association of America's Program Excellence Award for Celebrate Diversity!, a program teaching junior high school students about issues of tolerance. His College Knowledge question-and-answer columns have been published in newspapers throughout the United States. Dave loves Corvettes, classical music, computers, and miniature dachshunds. He and his wife Sharon have a daughter, son and four grandchildren.

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