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Well I am a HS freshman, and im bout to take the Columbia SHP test. I am kinda freaking out, does anyone have any last minute advice or studying tips. Is it true that only two ppl are admitted from a school?

By Arow (Arow) on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 10:51 pm: Edit

I think its less than that. Students 800 schools apply, and only 200-250 students get in. Even if each school had only ONE student applying, then there will only be acceptance of one student for every three school. And I think more than one ppl apply from each school. Mine for example had more than a dozen.

I'm a soph and I dont know all the stuff on the test. They test on all math up to and including precalc, and earth sci, bio, chem and phys.

i just hope that i get lucky and they'll like my essay and I'll get in.

By Crnchycereal (Crnchycereal) on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 10:54 pm: Edit

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the first thing I have to say is tha the essay doesn't count for squat. I wrote my essay in under 5 minutes on the back of my application and it was the shortest, most generic piece of crap you've ever seen. That said, I can say without a single doubt that the exam is the most important admission factor.

As for how many students get in from a single school, it's certainly not capped at one; both a friend and I got into Columbia SHP last year and attended this year. I don't believe there's a specific quota; they'll just take as many as they can amongst the top scorers.

By Arow (Arow) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 07:53 pm: Edit

Since you sound so infomed CrunchyCereal, posting in al SHP threads and saying how important the test it, I'm assuming you did well on the test

Well,How did you study for it? Help me for next year !

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 07:58 pm: Edit

I'm taking it tomorrow. I've studied a lot of my bio notes from 9th grade honors (plus the barrons book) and I'm looking at my chem notes tonight. The science topics on the test were pretty hard, but nothing involving super tough calculations (because calculators are not allowed). Just get a good sleep and breakfast and just relax. I'm in 301 Pupin Hall - anyone else in there?

By Meekchun (Meekchun) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 09:06 pm: Edit

I'm for Pupin, too.
But I do not study only wish to be lucky.
I went to sport dinner tonight and will be relax.
Good luck!

By Arow (Arow) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 09:57 pm: Edit

Oh well I didn't studied

I'll try to study next year when I'll also be taking AP in the subjects they are testing. Thus when I study for the AP exams, I will also be studying for the SHP at the same time. Nice idea right?

I'll post my reactions and results after the test

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 10:39 pm: Edit

don't study if you don't know it, because you won't pass simple as that i am in 702 hamilton (i walked from 33rd to end of central park and back today) and now 7 stories ;( not cool lol

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 07:53 am: Edit

Today's the day. Hope you all do well. Good luck.

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 08:38 am: Edit

good luck 702 hamilton!

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 03:21 pm: Edit

So guys - it's finished! What do you guys all think? I thought the first math section was very easy (way too many graph problems though!). The science section was pretty good and the challenge was ok (I answered 10 out of 15). I feel better than I did last year about my performance. Plus, there were A LOT of freshman in my room that knew very little on chemistry and physics, so that would be an advantage to the higher grade students with more science knowledge. Anyways, hope you all did well.

By Arow (Arow) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 04:39 pm: Edit

Yeah the math section was really easy

The science questions were pretty easy too because they were so general. I even answered soem physics questions even thought I didn't take it in school yet.

The challenge part was easier than I thought.. I thought the would have AMC level questions on them. I skipped 12 of the questions and I think I got them right.

BTW, for the earth sci questions, soil was the most recently thing that occuredright?

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 04:51 pm: Edit

Crypto I thought the same about the math section I did 45 100% correct, the graphs really bugged me down timewise, and could anyone remember the equation for a parallelogram!?

The second question I did like 25 total...... being that I didn't take bio for two years, geoscience at all, but again it was some general stuff I answered

The challenge section I did 9-11 IT WAS PRETTY TOUGH SOME OF EM: I remember some answers were like 28, 6, the one i had the most problem with was the 45,45,30 triangle... the ladybug one i didn't do, but it was so damn easy.... i thougot of the equation last minute but the lady took my paper

overall, i did 10x better than last year, and this year i resisted choosing answers to which i was doubtful (50:50's) HOT ASIAN MAMA'S ^.^

By Arow (Arow) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 05:00 pm: Edit

the 45,45,30 triangle one was 4*square root of 2

I didnt do three question.. the ladybug one, the ABC number one, and the four kids buying a boat one.

By Meekchun (Meekchun) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 05:35 pm: Edit

In the challenge section - what was the answer to the cow question? - profit %?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:08 pm: Edit

Answers to problems I remember (which are a lot)

First math section:

Set problem with Union - could not be zero (0) - A
Shaded area to total area of circle - 3/4 - A
Paralleogram - base=10 and height=2; A=b*h = 20 (not sure which letter)
Equation with roots +3 and +2 - x^2-5x+6 - I used remainder theorem for the equations and only the first one worked - A
1/3<x<3 and 1/3<y<3; what does xy equal - I had 1/9<xy<9

Oh - also for the greatest error question. I had tenth<hundreth
Greatest possible error for tenth - .9
Greatest possible error for hundredth - .99
.9<.99

Science section:

I can't really remember any in Part I that I had trouble on (other than the ones I omitted).

Part II -
I had soil as most recently formed (the only one I answered in that set).
For the resistor set of problems, I had I=ER as the equation, and the graph that looked like y=x (Direct proportionality)

Challenge Math Section:

Equilateral triangle ABC with perpendicular bisector intersecting at D on BC and E was half way on BD - I had sqrt(63) - if you want me to make a diagram and email it to you, just ask

Triangle with angles 45 and 30 (and 105) - that side opposite 30 degrees was 4sqrt(2)

I had 6.5% for the profit gain

For the last one (the bug on the coordinate plane) I graphed 8 of its movements and also graphed the points in the answers and saw that it would converge closest to the point (2/3,1/3) - which is D.

By Meekchun (Meekchun) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:58 pm: Edit

ne more opinions on the cow question?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:15 pm: Edit

Wasn't it the sheep problem?

By Arow (Arow) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:30 pm: Edit

sheep problem I got 6.5. Its the one about buying cows and selling them back for a profit right? If it is, i'm sure its 6.5 .

By Arow (Arow) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:34 pm: Edit

oh, and the answer to the question with the sum of reciprical of root of equation was the last choice.

That's all I remeber.

OH yeah, the only problem I had was the one with the kids buying the boat. What was the answer and how do you do it? I cant believe i didnt get it.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:41 pm: Edit

Arow - I had the reciprocal of the roots was -a/b - that wasn't the last one. For any quadratic, the sums of the roots is -b/a, and the reciprocal of that is -a/b (which I believe was choice D)

Just search on google for sum of roots of quadratic and it'll tell you that it is -b/a.

By Kms0484 (Kms0484) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 12:44 am: Edit

sorry Crypto86, the answer for reciprocal question was the last one..
Damn the Science was pretty tough! I'm 99% sure that I got all of the maths right(I solved every single problems!) Woot!
but the science~ehh~i dunno~I think the challenging section counts most, so I'm feelin arite!

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 01:45 am: Edit

same here kms it was easier than expected

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:24 am: Edit

Bah... If the sum of a quadratic equation is -b/a, how could the reciprocal of that not be -a/b? Is it just positive a/b be then?

Anyways, what are your guys positions on the answers that I chose above.

By Arow (Arow) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 10:11 am: Edit

Hey,

If you actually tried solving and finding the sum of the recipricals of the roots, you'll see that its not -a/b. The roots may be reciprical but the sum of the roots -b/a isn't. I almost got tricked but I thought it was a challenge so it should involve little more work.

By Maverick27 (Maverick27) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 12:45 pm: Edit

uhh I'm not dumb or anything, but i thought those challenge problems were pretty hard. The first math section was a cinch, science was pretty ok, but that last part killed me. I got all the geometry ones, but since i took algebra II LAST year, i didnt remember how to do the maximum point things. (remember, the one with the ball being shot up f(x)=16t^2-160t or sumthin like that) can someone also explain the cow one and the boat one? i tried, but i got extraneous answers for some reason...man this sux.

for the doctor and lawyer problem, i dont remember what i did but i got 2:1, is that right?

can someone give me advice for next year when i take it as a junior? ive never gotten lower than an A in any math class, but thats exactly it, im too used to 'textbook' math. Im not good at these kinds of problems and i want to get better, does anybody know how/where i can practice?

By Arow (Arow) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 01:01 pm: Edit

for the one with the ball and the maximum height, factor the equation to y=16t(t-10) and see what t value gives the greatest value y. i think you could also plug in the answer choices for y, and see which ones work. among the choices that work just pick the largest. Thats how I did it.

If you tell me the cow question maybe can explain.

These questions really arent that hard compared to amc and aime problems, so books for math competions might be too hard and too much work.
Maybe you should just do the extension problems in the textbook or something.

By Meekchun (Meekchun) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 01:07 pm: Edit

seems like some people had some trouble with the boat question; here's how you do it:

Question was - boat costs $60 and 4 kids are splitting the money. 1st kid pays half of the sum of what the other kids are paying. 2nd kid pays 1/3rd of the sum of what the other kids are paying. 3rd kid pays 1/4th of the sum of what the other kids pay. How much does the 4th one pay?

Well figure out the 1st kid first. He pays half of what the other kids pay; so divide 60 by 3 and you can see that he is paying $20 and the the sum of what the other kids are paying is $40. So you know the 1st kid paid $20.

Now the 2nd kid. Using the same method, dividing 60 by 4 you get that the 2nd kid paid $15 and the rest paid $45 (thus 1/3rd). So you know the 2nd kid paid $15.

The 3rd kid. Same thing, divide 60 by 5 and get 12. So we know that the 3rd kid paid $12.

Thus, 60-20-15-12 and voila! you get that the 4th kid paid $13. Simple.

If you doubt it check it.
1st kid: $20 (half of what hte other kids paid)
2nd kid: $15 (1/3rd of what the other kids paid)
3rd kid: $12 (1/4th of what the other kids paid)
rth kid: $13

btw: the doctor and lawyer answer was 2:1

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit

yeha that's what i got for the boat

maverick once again, if you keep taking easy straight A courses you never challenge yourself and you never truly learn

Here were my stats: 43 answered on first section out of the 7 unsanswered if I had more time I would have answered 6, the only one i couldn't answer was the parallelogram's area, as I forgot the formula

for the second question i tried to use common sense for the bio and geo questions, the physics and atstronomy questions I solved on my own, and the chem, I did half of it

and for the last section i got all but the lady bug and the 30 45 45 triangle

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 06:47 pm: Edit

I answered all of the first math MC, 64/75 on the science, and 10/15 challenge. I would hope that is competative enough to get in as long as I do well and my transcript is good ("H" - 96+ year avg - for chem honors last year, A- bio 9th grade, 710 bio M sat ii 9th grade, 700 chem sat ii 10th grade, A in precalc honors this year, nj sci league, mu alpha theta)

Mochika - for the lady bug I had (2/3,1/3) as the coordinate that it would converge closest too. For the 30,45,45 triangle I had 4sqrt(2) as the side opposite the 30 angle. I had 400 feet as the maximum height (just solved for t=1 to t=5 and you saw it was going to 400). The one with the equilateral triangle ABC with perpedicular bisector through BC was pretty tough, but I got the right answer - sqrt(63). I also had 2:1 for the doctor one. Oh, Mochika - I got 6.5 percent for the sheep problem - is that what you had?

Can someone explain the probability of the prime number problem. I saw that there were 10 primes from 1 to 100 (including 100). For n50 there are 3 primes, and the probability of selecting n = 3p, so I did (1/3)*(3/50), which equals 1/50. I then mutiplied (1/50)*(7/50) and got 7/250 (or 28/1000 --> 2.8/100). However, that wasn't a percentile in the answer choices? Where did I go wrong here?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 07:09 pm: Edit

For the roots question, was it the sum of the reciprocal of the roots, or the reciprocal of the sum of the roots? I think I may have read the problem wrong - because the sum of the reciprocal of the roots is -b/c.

By Maverick27 (Maverick27) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 07:45 pm: Edit

"maverick once again, if you keep taking easy straight A courses you never challenge yourself and you never truly learn"

i totally agree, but see thats the problem. lol im not taking easy straight A courses, ive taken the hardest courses my school offers so far(algebra II H >> A and geometry H >> A+) but see, the problem is that the questions from those courses are straightforward and sooooo textbookish. idk how to explain. The problems are structured about that particular lesson, so you know how to solve the problem. I have trouble with the abstract(? idk how else to describe) questions where there are several approaches. Sure, if i remembered more of algebra II i would have probably gotten 2 or 3 more answers, but seriously, the prime # thing, the ladybug thing, the cow thing with the 760 cows or w/e, i would have no idea how to do them.
i asked my dad because hes pretty good at math (went to MIT) and he just said to keep practicing, BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE TO LOOK! i cant go to a textbook, and i tried looking online for problems but those are either really easy, really hard, or just not what im looking for.

By Maverick27 (Maverick27) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 07:48 pm: Edit

by the way a parallelogram is just base x height because if u cut out the triangle and move it to the other side, u just get a rectangle.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:35 pm: Edit

It's ok maverick - I feel the same way as you do. Those problems aren't super hard - they just aren't ones that we do in class (at least at my school anyways).

btw - for the cows problem (i think it was sheep) I got 6.5 percent gain. Here's how I did it:

Total sheep was 749. I made price per unit as $1 each. The farmer paid $749 for 749 sheep. He then sold 700 for $749 and sold the rest (49) for the original price per unit ($1 each). So he made an additional $49 - thus putting the money he took in at $798.

I then set up a fraction of $798/$749 - to make it simpler to calculate, I rounded the numbers to 8/7.5 - Multiplying by 10 and then dividing by 5, the extra percentage the farmer gained (off of his original expenditures) was 1/16 (.5/8 --> 5/80 --> 1/16). I knew that 1/8 = .125, so I just divided that by 2 and got .0625 - which is 6.3% I figured that was close enough to 6.5 and thus chose that. Any of you concur with that?

By Arow (Arow) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:59 pm: Edit

Do the extension problems in the textbook then

Sometimes practice helps, but you never know what they will give you as a challenge problem. For example, the ladybug question was very original.

If you have a strong math background, try to work out the problems. All the questions require you to think about the question first and try to comprehend it. After that, you either draw a picture(like for the triangle problem) or write an equation(for cow problem). After you get the equation you just solve it and get the answer.

BTW I'm not even in honors math and I knew most of the problems, so you don't need any special advance classes or anything.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 08:40 pm: Edit

Can some one tell me how to do the mile one? I spent over 7 minutes on this trying different things but I couldn't get it.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 09:21 pm: Edit

Nevermind - I just did it. I got 2.5 miles. I guess I was just flustered during the test.

By Pyroman (Pyroman) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 10:36 pm: Edit

2.5 miles was correct

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 10:50 pm: Edit

CRYPTO I WAS SO PISSED WHEN THE LADY SNATCHED THE PAPER AWAY I WOULD HAVE HAD 13 IF I HAD 20 MORE SECONDS NO JOKE

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 12:29 pm: Edit

Which one was number 13 - the farmer/sheep one? Anyway, that sucks mochika.

Can I get a confirmation on my answer choices for several answers:

For the farmer/sheep one I had 6.5% (look above for how I did it)

For the last one (bug moving) I drew 7 movements and saw that it converged closest to (2/3,1/3), however I talked to one of my friends and he had (4/5,2/5) - he said it was the sum of a geometric series (which I believe it is). However, if you do draw it out, it is definately closest to (2/3,1/3) - any confirmation on this answer? Thanks.

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 04:29 pm: Edit

crypto i had the fraction for the farmer, i reduced it, and i just had to do the decimal equivalent in my head, i wrote it down SO I HOPE THEY LOOK WHICH I DOUBT

The lady bug one is tricky i couldn't get an equation for that

By Arow (Arow) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 05:11 pm: Edit

what was the mile question??

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:28 pm: Edit

The mile question was:

Three people run a 10 mile race. First place wins (obviously) and beats second place by 2 miles; First place beats third place by 4 mile. If all three runners maintain constant speed, by how many miles does 2nd place beat third place.

The correct answer is 2.5 miles. I got flustered on the real thing and figured it out at home yesterday...

By Arow (Arow) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:39 pm: Edit

... How you did do it

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:44 pm: Edit

I made first place run the 10 miles in an hour (that's 10 miles per hour). In that same time, 2nd place ran 8 miles, so he runs at 7.5 miles/hour. Multiply 2nd's velocity by 10 miles and you get 75 minutes. Third place's velocity is 6 miles per hour. 2nd place runs for 15 minutes before finishing, so you need to multiply 3rd's velocity by .25 hour to get how far he goes:

(6 miles/hour)*.25 hours = 1.5 miles. Since 3rd was originally 4 miles behind 1st and now he ran 1.5 miles of that in the time it took 2nd to finish, 2nd beats 3rd by 2.5 miles.

By Mochika88 (Mochika88) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:53 pm: Edit

actually crypto you got flustered because you added too much detail, make a line out of the details given (a line that has both mag and direction) and bam 3 seconds later you have 2.5 easiest one ;) btw what grade are you in? I am a sophomore

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 09:03 pm: Edit

Ha - I should've done that. I thought since the answers were pretty close (.25 difference each time) I wouldn't be able to see the difference. I am a junior (so this is my last time). Mochika - that sucks how you had the answer but didn't get to write it down. How were your other sections (first math, sci, and challenge)? There were a good amount of freshman in my room (which is better for upper classmen because we have more science/math knowledge)

By Arow (Arow) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 06:22 pm: Edit

Do they get a chance to look at your SAT II's? I only took one so far and I did pretty well on it. I thought it will help but the transcript only list Regent grades. I did well on those too but I heard that most good colleges, especially those outside of NY, consider the Regent garbage and disregard them.

So will my SAT II grade help me or not?
I think I also send a score report to COlumbia last year. Do you think they will have this on record and consider it for the SHP?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 09:21 pm: Edit

Possibly. I have two solid SAT II scores as well (710 BioM in 9th grade and 700 chem in 10th grade). I'll ask them tomorrow if they look for anyone that student may have sent them.

By Sj227 (Sj227) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 02:55 pm: Edit

I asked my guidance counselor to put my one SAT II grade (bio-620 in eighth grade) on my transcript. I know thats not particularly high- it was actually the average score the year i took it- but do you think they consider that I was in eighth grade? or does it really count against me? now i think i shouldnt have put that on my transcript...

By Contessa (Contessa) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 05:55 pm: Edit

good luck to all of you, its a great program and i love it- the most authentic taste of columbia you can get before college starts
only downside: not taught by professors, only grad students...
but the experience is more valuable than the classes i'd say

By Myrnie (Myrnie) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:18 pm: Edit

wow...i wish i would have found this before i took the test...that sux...i could've met more people in my room...i only talked to like 1 person...i was in rm 301 pupin Hall..ne1 else????

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:22 pm: Edit

Yep - I was. I had on a red Gap sweatshirt and I have red hair. I'm on the small size (I probably looked like a soph though I'm a junior). I was in the middle rows about 1/3 up - from all this you actually may have seen me!

By Myrnie (Myrnie) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:44 pm: Edit

i dnt rememba...cant believe u remember'd wut u wore..i sat in da front corner...rite when u walked in u would c me

i wanna kno if i got in...i didnt kno anything on that exam...so i probably did really bad...i answered only 3/15 on the challenge part...aint that awesome (sarcasm!!)

the proctors were nice...so i guess dats a good thing

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 08:01 pm: Edit

Were you in the extra desk they had there to the right of the rowed desks? That would have sucked!

Yeah, I was in 301 Pupin last year too and it was the same proctor - she is really nice. How many did you answer on the first math section and the double science. I answered all 50 on the first math, 64/75 science, and 10/15 challenge (with one known wrong - damn wording on the quadratic root one!!). Which one's on the challenge did you answer?

By Myrnie (Myrnie) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 08:07 pm: Edit

yea..i think i was in that desk..it was a leftie desk..(and im a rightie..i didnt realize there were different desks..lol!!)

I do not remember what I answered...I wanted to get outta there...I'm a freshman and I've only studied earth sci, Math A and part of math B...so i was clueless for most of the questions

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 08:23 pm: Edit

Yeah - it's really tough for freshman to get in. The test is really bio heavy (as you saw with the MC and lab questions) and the chem stuff would be tough for anyone who hadn't studied it yet. The physics actually wasn't too hard (the bicycle problem in the 2nd science section was straight forward - constant acceleration and stuff - y=x graph; though the resistor stuff would be tough without knowing it previously)

And if you don't get in, you have two more years for it and you know the format of the test, so you will be better prepared.

And at least you actually knew the earth science questions on the 2nd science part!! (I never had earth sci - the only one I answered was the soil was formed most recently!)

By Myrnie (Myrnie) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 08:30 pm: Edit

yea...i got two more years...i wanna get out of high school!

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 09:28 pm: Edit

I don't believe in strategic omitting. At least when it comes to the College Board, the "guessing penalty" is just a way to prevent takers from getting a better score than they deserve so that the test seems like a valid measurement of the taker's knowledge.
I just answered all of the questions on the exam (I'm a junior, it's my last and only shot). I was making horrible time in the Challenge Math - only had 3 answered 20 minutes into it. I then picked up the pace and was able to answer every question. I know I got at least 2 wrong on careless errors.
I hope I got in, I just found out about this program a little over a month ago

By Thunder77 (Thunder77) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 01:55 pm: Edit

When do we get results?

pssh.. I'm Arow

By Crnchycereal (Crnchycereal) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 02:36 pm: Edit

I remember hearing last year near the end of school, which was around June 20th.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 04:35 pm: Edit

June 22 says the office (I called after the test to find out)

By Sraid7777 (Sraid7777) on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:47 pm: Edit

what does shp stand for? The summer high school program?