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Where did everyone decide to go? What were your choices and how did you choose? What role in decisions did parents have?

By Babygurl89919 (Babygurl89919) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 07:58 pm: Edit

I decided on Taft...and just this morning. I've wanted to go ever since last summer. However, when it finally came time to commit I was soo freaked out. I had to chose between Loomis Chaffee (as a day student, I would move to Hartford with my father from Florida) or Taft (as a boarder). I decided a long time ago that going as a day student just wouldn't be worth it. The past two weeks I've cried everytime I've thought of going to Taft. Last night my Dad had a big discussion with me about it and he convinced me to go. That's ironic because the main reason I didn't want to go was that I felt like a bad daughter for leaving him since I thought he really didn't want me to go. Now, I've committed to Taft, and I couldn't be more excited!! (my Father is buying tuition insurance though......)

By Calidad (Calidad) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 06:27 am: Edit

Exeter. Boiled down to the fact that the kids there seemed happy and did not criticize other schools. Noticed at other revisits that students/administrators took pot shots at Exeter, but at Exeter they didn't mention other schools.

By Browninfall (Browninfall) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:55 pm: Edit

My son chose Deerfield over St. Paul's and Exeter. Since all of his choices were excellent, his mother and I stood back and let him decide. Personally I favored St. Paul's, but that might be because another son who graduated from St. Paul's a few years ago had such a wonderful experience there.

By Babygurl89919 (Babygurl89919) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 02:36 pm: Edit

"Noticed at other revisits that students/administrators took pot shots at Exeter, but at Exeter they didn't mention other schools."

Calidad: Is that really the main reason you chose Exeter?

By Dragonreborn (Dragonreborn) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 03:54 pm: Edit

Deerfield. It's been my first choice from the start and I've heard some wonderful comments from friends. Love the environment and everything else there. Imagine seeing the milky way there at night.

By Mathfanatic (Mathfanatic) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 03:59 am: Edit

I chose Exeter. The people seemed very friendly, the classes were challenging (but not TOO challenging), and so on.

By Angelee (Angelee) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:07 am: Edit

Exeter. I was very impressed with their science department (and their building too!), and the people I met during my revisit day were very nice.

By Uscfan1781 (Uscfan1781) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 11:28 am: Edit

Exeter

By Mom101 (Mom101) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 02:38 pm: Edit

Wow, so many Exeters! Someone needs to write the definitive book (Harvard Press did 20 years ago) to help kids (and parents) understand better what the experience at these schools really is. On our visit to Exeter we had an uninspiring tour guide, an elderly, ditzy interviewer who told us that St. Paul's was her favorite school, and found the dorm we were shown beyond depressing. My D decided not to apply and agreed with the interviewer, St. Paul's was her favorite school, too. For families like ours on the W Coast where almost no other peer was applying and we didn't have years of hearing about these schools, we had to count on first impressions. She didn't apply to Groton for similar reasons and from postings on this board, I now understand we didn't really "see" Groton.

By Queenrosie17 (Queenrosie17) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 02:40 pm: Edit

andover

By Luigi (Luigi) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 06:20 pm: Edit

"Someone needs to write the definitive book (Harvard Press did 20 years ago) to help kids (and parents) understand better what the experience at these schools really is."


The name of the book is, The Harvard Independent: Insider's Guide to Prep Schools, edited by Christopher J. Georges and James A. Messina with members of the staff of the Harvard Independant, 1987, Plume Books, New American Library


Phillips Academy, Andover, considered the nation's premier boarding prep school, has admitted 433 of 2,012 applicants (a 21% acceptance rate) in 2004 from 40 states and 20 countries. It is expected that approximately 350 will enroll (an 80% yield rate.)

Phillips Exeter Academy, Andover's sibling and rival, had 1,929 applicants, of whom 520 were admitted (a 27% acceptance rate) in 2004 from 42 states and 30 countries, of whom a similar 350 are expected to enroll (a 67% yield rate).

By Calidad (Calidad) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit

I would expect a high yield rate at Andover given the high percentage of day students.

By Quasarqueen (Quasarqueen) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 09:33 pm: Edit

Andover!!! That was originally my first choice, and I can't wait til September 2004 ^_^

By Bruceconti (Bruceconti) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:01 pm: Edit

SPS over Groton and Deerfield, Parents played a huge role.... It was a wash between SPS and Groton, and I couldn't pick, so I just went with my parents (who wanted me to go to SPS).

By Mom101 (Mom101) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:10 pm: Edit

Luigi, I have the book, but it's too old to be useful. It's also out of print, I had to wait weeks to get mine through the used Amazon book route. In my copy, Deerfield isn't coed yet! These school have changed a heck of a lot (for the better) in the past 20 years.

By Luigi (Luigi) on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 12:03 am: Edit

Mom101 said, "Luigi, I have the book, but it's too old to be useful. It's also out of print, I had to wait weeks to get mine through the used Amazon book route. In my copy, Deerfield isn't coed yet! These school have changed a heck of a lot (for the better) in the past 20 years."

I know what you are saying, since I purchased this book in 1987 when it first came out. This book's authors favored Exeter as the premier big prep, which was not surprising, because a book by Harvard College students would favor Phillips Exeter Academy in 1987. Exeter still sent over 40 students a year in the early 1980s to Harvard each year, the most from any secodary school in the country, because it was the primary feeder into Harvard for many decades. There's a quote from THE HARVARD INDEPENDENT INSIDER'S GUIDE TO PREP SCHOOLS, in 1985 in comparing Exeter and Andover, stating, [In the movie, "Trading Places", Winthrop, the rich, snobbish investment banker, went to Harvard and Exeter, NOT Harvard and Andover.] In the opinion of the authors from Harvard College, Exeter ranked above Andover in 1985. But that's in 1985, and things and rankings have changed since. Rankings will differ according to who is doing the ranking. In this case, it was the students at Harvard. Exeter was always considered the top feeder into Harvard. However, times have changed. Exeter has only sent numbers in the teens (13 to 16) to Harvard recently. Stuyvesant H.S. sent 21 to Harvard College in 2003, more than Exeter in absolute numbers.

You are correct, Deerfield was not even considered in the same tier as Exeter, Andover and St. Paul's, called the "Big Three" by the book in 1987.


Some good references on this topic of the top boarding preps include:

1. THE HARVARD INDEPENDENT INSIDER'S GUIDE TO PREP SCHOOLS, by Christopher J. Georges and James A. Messina, 1987, New American Library

2. PREPARING FOR POWER- AMERICA'S ELITE BOARDING SCHOOLS, by Peter W. Cookson, Jr. and Caroline Hodges Persell, 1985, Basic Books Inc., Publishers, N.Y.

3. AMERICAN BOARDING SCHOOLS- A HISTORICAL STUDY by James McLachlan, 1970, Charles Scribner's Sons, N.Y.

4. YOUTH FROM EVERY QUARTER- A BICENTENNIAL HISTORY OF PHILLIPS ACADEMY, ANDOVER, by Frederick S. Allis, Jr., 1979, University Press, New Hampshire

5. HOTCHKISS- A CHRONICLE OF AN AMERICAN SCHOOL, by Ernest Kolowrat, with contributions from Stephen Birmingham, C.D.B. Bryan, and John Hersey, 1992, New Amsterdam Publishers

6. A BRIEF HISTORY OF ST. PAUL'S SCHOOL 1856-1996, by August Hecksher, 1996, Trustees of St. Paul's, Publishers, Concord, New Hampshire

7. ST. PAUL'S- THE LIFE OF A NEW ENGLAND SCHOOL, by August Hecksher, 1980, Charles Scribner's Sons, Publishers, N.Y.

8. THE EDUCATION OF A SCHOOL MASTER- MY YEARS AT ST. PAUL'S SCHOOL, by JOSE A. G. Ordonez, 1998, Francis Press, Washington D.C.

9. ELITE EDUCATION AND THE PRIVATE SCHOOL- EXCELLENCE AND ARROGANCE AT PHILLIPS EXETER ACADEMY, by Alan H. Levy, 1990, Mellen Studies in Education, Vol. 11, The Edwin Mellen Press, Lewiston/Queenston/Lampeter

10. LESSONS FROM- THE AMERICAN PREP SCHOOL TRADITION, by Arthur G. Powell, 1996, Harvard U., Publishers, Cambridge, Mass.

11. THE CAMPUS GUIDE- PHILLIPS ACADEMY, ANDOVER, AN ARCHITECTURAL TOUR, by Susan J. Montgomery and Roger G. Reed, 2000, Princeton Architectural Press

I also recommend highly the US News & World Report, Special Report- Outsatanding Boarding Schools, May 14, 2001, Vol. 130, No. 19 and of course, the Peterson Guide to Private Secondary Schools, 2004, in addition to visiting each school, reading through their catalogues and brochures and talking to students and teachers.


I have all these above references in my library, and I have read every single one of the above publications before embarking on our search for a boarding school with our son in finding the right fit among the six schools to which he applied and was admitted. They were St. Paul's, Milton, Groton, Exeter, Andover, and Lawrenceville. He chose Andover and had a wonderful and amazing experience with no regrets.


Also click on the following for an excellent NYT article on the boarding preps which I recommend to anyone considering these schools:

http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/111200edlife-prep-edu.html

New York Times
November 12, 2000

EDUCATION LIFE

"Less Austerity, More Diversity at Prep School Today"

By VICTORIA GOLDMAN and CATHERINE HAUSMAN

By Luigi (Luigi) on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 12:50 am: Edit

Also click on the following for info on another book about the campus and architecture of Andover, considered one of the most beautiful campuses in America, either prep school or college, on approximately 500 acres with Georgian stlye red brick buildings.


http://www.bestwebbuys.com/books/compare/isbn/1568982305/isrc/b-home-search


The Campus Guides: Phillips Academy, Andover

Author: Susan J. Montgomery, et al

Format: Trade Paperback

Publication Date: July 15, 2000

ISBN: 1568982305

By Mom101 (Mom101) on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 01:27 am: Edit

Luigi, thanks for the book list. It'll be interesting finding some of them!

By Lyrikalmadness (Lyrikalmadness) on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 10:09 pm: Edit

I have just recently found out about the post graduate (13th grade kinda thing) at some prep schools. The reason i am looking into this option is because in high school I was a very active student with strong grades in difficult courses(maybe not straight A's, but mostly A's and B's) (GPA 3.8). My SAT's werent too great either 1220 SAT II Writing 740, Math 2C 620, US History 650. I was originally born in Belgrade, Yugoslavia but I came when I was 4, so basically im americanized. My parents and I werent aware of these so called "SAT prep" places plus they were a bit expenisve. I know if I had the time to sit down and learn the material I would be able to do much better, not that hard of a test, just need to learn the material and tricks. Anyways... that was a little off topic, but the main idea here at hand is that I would like to attend this Post graduate school thing and strengthen my grades and SAT's a little more as well as being able to do the things I love doing such as : basketball, producing my own instrumentals, etc. I hear that by going this route I will have a much better shot at goin to one of my top choice colleges instead of settling for anything less. I was accepted at UC santa barbara, uc san diego, and UCLA. But I would like to attend a private school where i know i will thrive, b/c at a large private institution you can never really assocaite with the professors as much. My top choice is Georgetown, but i am looking at bowdoin, northwestern, yale, and a few others. The prep schools im considering are Andover, deerfield, exeter, choate, and kent. Even though the deadline has way passed the admissions officers from most of those schools said they would be highly interested in me and I have an extremely high shot at gettin in. I'd appreciate some input. Thanks. By the way im from San Diego, Cali.

By Crazyyykid (Crazyyykid) on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 10:16 pm: Edit

Lyrik do you play a sport? I remember that most of the pgs at my school were athletes. There were few exceptions of course. There were few, very few "academic" PGs such as mathletes, science competitors, but there were one or two. If you are really competitive with basketball it may be worth a shot.

By Ohiomom1 (Ohiomom1) on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 10:39 pm: Edit

My daughter chose Exeter - first choice all along. Kids were friendly and bright, and we found a great sense of community there. Meanwhile our Andover tour guide was uninformed and unengaged, and nothing on that campus inspired us the way Exeter did.

I'm troubled by Mom101 complaining about an "elderly" interviewer - age discrimination perhaps? I believe you're probably referring to a veteran math teacher who has lived on campus 20-odd years and knows the kids well - personally I found her a good resource.

By Mom101 (Mom101) on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:07 am: Edit

It wasn't about age. It was just clear that she was not fully engaged in the campus today and could not answer several questions. And we were in a bad mood after the sullen tour guide! My point is that Exeter, on our tour, gave the least personal treatment and had a factory feel. As a neophyte, that first (and only) impression was important. Certainly I missed much of why so many smart kids and familes choose it. BTW, they have the best brochure in my opinion and it was a leading school in my mind before the tour.

By Luigi (Luigi) on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:54 am: Edit

Mom101 said, " BTW, they (Exeter) have the best brochure in my opinion and it was a leading school in my mind before the tour."


Really, the top 4 or 5 prep schools are so close in quality, it is hard to differentiate one from the other. However, the student should choose the school that is best fitted for his/her own needs, goals and comfort level.


Factors, not necessarily in the order of importance, in the overall ranking of each school of top ten preps:

1. "Prestige" is a minor factor in the overall rankings. Andover and Exeter are #s 1. and 2. in "prestige".

2. Academic excellence of its students, i.e., average SAT scores of its grads, average SSAT scores of its entering students, college matriculation rates at HYP, the Ivies and the elite colleges, including the National Universities and the small Liberal Arts colleges on the US News and Report lists and on the National Research Council list of top research universities.

3. Selectivity of each school according to admit rates and yield rates and the quality of the student body of each school.

4. The size of its endowment and also, the endowment dollars per student. Andover and Exeter have the largest endowment of any boarding prep, each with about $500 million, more than most endowments of many or most colleges in America.

5. The quality of its faculty in awards, publications, research, percentage of faculty who hold the PhD and Master's degrees. Also, the average length of time for each faculty member on staff, or the longevity of its faculty members.

6. The length and breath of the school's course offerings or the number and the highest levels of its courses. Andover offers more than 300 courses of instruction. I would include the relative strength of each department of instruction. For example, Exeter is considered to have the best Math department among the preps, producing students who compete in the International Math Olympiad. Exeter had a student who achive a perfect score in the U.S. Math Olympiad named T.K. Liu, who went on to compete in the IMO. There were others from Exeter.

7. The amount of resources in its physical plant, i.e academic buildings, sports facilities, etc.

8. The offerings in extra-curricular activities such as sports, clubs, or community service programs

By Mom101 (Mom101) on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 01:41 am: Edit

Well done Luigi, though you need to look at endowment per student. St. Paul's has long been the winner there. I hate for the kids to think Andover and Exeter are the prestige schools. I worked long and hard to disabuse my D of this thought. Someone posted on one thread that last year over 60% of those choosing between Andover and SPS chose SPS. And I believe they do collect the data because Andover called to ask where my D would be going. The smaller schools are a lifestyle choice, the colleges consider them equals.

By Lyrikalmadness (Lyrikalmadness) on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 02:26 am: Edit

Can you guys take a break from all the agruing over which school is better... and tell me about the post graduate year, as well as the success students have with that. Thanks!! Read my post marked on April 19 to get a little more info on me.

By Crazyyykid (Crazyyykid) on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 05:56 pm: Edit

Exeter is probably one of the best boarding schools in America. However, there are many factors that may deter an admit from going. First, a lot of buildings look like they are crumbling. It's a big school, it has over 1000 students. A lot of the kids seemed to be really snobby like many other prep school kids. Finally, you financial aid and distance from home would play a huge role for some.

Exeter does have many benefits too, a HUGE library, a nice science body, a really competitive student body, prestige, etc.

By Crazyyykid (Crazyyykid) on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 05:56 pm: Edit

I meant to say science building

By Luigi (Luigi) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 09:20 am: Edit

To Crazyyykid:

You said, "Exeter is probably one of the best boarding schools in America. However, there are many factors that may deter an admit from going. First, a lot of buildings look like they are crumbling. It's a big school, it has over 1000 students. A lot of the kids seemed to be really snobby like many other prep school kids. Finally, you financial aid and distance from home would play a huge role for some."


That's why you should go to Phillips Academy, Andover, instead, if you have the option to do so. Many others did so.

Phillips Academy, Andover, the nation's premiere boarding prep school, has admitted 433 of 2,012 applicants (a 21% acceptance rate) from 40 states and 20 countries for Fall '04. It is expected that approximately 350 will enroll (an 80% yield rate.)

Phillips Exeter Academy, Andover's younger sibling and rival, had 1,929 applicants, of whom 520 were admitted (a 27% acceptance rate) from 42 states and 30 countries for Fall '04, of whom a similar 350 are expected to enroll (a 67% yield rate).

Andover is one of the most highly selective boarding preps in the country and has the highest yield rate at 80%, the number of matriculants divided by the number of acceptances, among all its peers. This means more applicants to Andover make it as their first choice when compared to the other applicants to the other preps with lower yield rates.

By Sokkermom (Sokkermom) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:17 am: Edit

go to: boardingschoolreview.com

Exeter has higher average SAT scores and higher endowment.

By Calidad (Calidad) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 11:20 am: Edit

Luigi, you seem to have missed or failed to understand my earlier post. Given the large number of day students at Andover, you would expect to find a higher matriculation rate. There would also be a second-order effect on the acceptance rate. So comparing these two statistics relative to Exeter doesn't advance our understanding of these two very good schools.

By Luigi (Luigi) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:03 pm: Edit

'go to: boardingschoolreview.com...Exeter has higher average SAT scores and higher endowment."

Andover is more diverse than Exeter. The endowment varies, depending on what it is invested in year after year. 4 or 5 years ago, Andover had a bigger endowment than Exeter, exceeding $500 million to Exeter's $475 million. This changed with the bust in the stock market, but Andover has rebounded with both schools having about the same amount in endowment. The figures change from year to year.


"Luigi, you seem to have missed or failed to understand my earlier post. Given the large number of day students at Andover, you would expect to find a higher matriculation rate. There would also be a second-order effect on the acceptance rate. So comparing these two statistics relative to Exeter doesn't advance our understanding of these two very good schools."

I accept your point, I am not comparing apples to apples, but apples to oranges. Andover has several percent more day students than Exeter, who, when admitted would rather stay at Andover locally, thereby increasing Andover's yield rate to 80% versus Exeter's 67%. To what extent this incresed Andover's yield, I do not know, because I would have to look at the actual numbers.

Both schools are very good schools and really equal. As I said before, you really can't differentiate between each school in the top 4 or 5 schools, because its quality and excellence are the same. That's why it is such a tough choice for student to make in choosing between these schools, if he has the option to matriculate at any one of them.

By Crazyyykid (Crazyyykid) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 03:48 pm: Edit

Liugi,

If you think about it all the boarding schools in the Founder's league are similar in quality. Andover may have benefits that Exeter does not and visa versa. Exeter also has day students. By distance from home I did not mean day students. Would a New Yorker prefer to go to Choate in CT or St. Pauls in NH? Depends on the individual. Exeter is younger than Andover, but not really by that much. There are many debates about which school is better, Exeter or Andover? However, it's not as simple as that. To you Andover's yield rate of 80% may be appealing. However, to the other 20% Andover was not their first choice. There are many factors that play into the decision.

By Sokkermom (Sokkermom) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 04:04 pm: Edit

The two schools are huge rivals. Anyone who attends Andover has blood that runs blue, and anyone that goes to Exeter has blood that runs red. Luigi is clearly biased because his S goes to Andover. My S goes to one of the two and loves it. He would tell you it is the much better school and that the other school is a "safety school". So much for prep school rivalries!!!
In the long run, I am not sure it really matters.
Prep school prepares you for life, and really should not be judged by how many students from the school matriculate to Ivy league schools. I can tell you that S has grown in four years and it has been a very good option for him. He was a day student.

By Luigi (Luigi) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 04:43 pm: Edit

Sokkermom said, "The two schools are huge rivals. Anyone who attends Andover has blood that runs blue, and anyone that goes to Exeter has blood that runs red. Luigi is clearly biased because his S goes to Andover. My S goes to one of the two and loves it. He would tell you it is the much better school and that the other school is a "safety school". So much for prep school rivalries!!!"


She also said, "Prep school prepares you for life, and really should not be judged by how many students from the school matriculate to Ivy league schools. I can tell you that S has grown in four years and it has been a very good option for him. He was a day student."


I never said one school is "better" than the other. That depends on the individual attending the school and how that particular school is best fitted for that individual, needless to say. I guess that one school would be a "safety" school, if one was a common admit to both schools, with the option of attending either one. Not all admitted students to Exeter are admitted to Andover, or vice versa. If you actually saw the stats, you can determine which school the common admits chose the most

Also, one must differentiate between the "day student" experience and the "boarding student" experience, in that they are quite different. I am not making a value judgement on either, but the boarding experience is unique among all high schools, both private and public. And it is the "experience" of attending a prep, especially a boarding prep, that counts the most over the college matriculation lists of these schools, in my opinion. Then again, that's my opinion.

By Crewer06 (Crewer06) on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 07:54 pm: Edit

I came to this site just to see what people thought, and I am troubled to see that it has become a “which school is better than the other” type of site. We all decide to go to schools for certain rationale, and just because the reason you chose not to go to a particular school, does not, in any way give a clear picture of the school.

I am also rather upset that people deterred away from a school just because they had a bad tour guide. Though it can be disappointing when your tour guide seems temperamental or distracted, put yourself in their shoes. I am a tour guide at Phillips Exeter Academy, and every time I have a tour I put on a smile no matter how exhausted or how much I would not like to be there at that moment. For example, I gave a tour at 7 in the morning, when I could have been sleeping in until 10. I went to bed at 2:30 that particular night. People have to understand that when you boil down to it, we are only kids, and we are not going to be our perky energetic selves everyday. Now I can’ speak for every school, but let me fill you in on my experience at Exeter so far.

Coming here was one of the easiest transitions I made. Coming from public school, I was very worried about fitting in, and the fact that I was on financial aid, made me feel like I was bound to be an outsider. Not the case, people here were so quick to talk to me and befriend me. Some people would help guide me to my classroom, or stop by my room to see how I was adjusting. I have never been used to saying hi to people when I am walking, but here, everyone, no matter if you know the person or not, people will look you in the eyes and genuinely say hi. No matter where you go, you are going to find the occasional snob or morose person, but they do not represent the student body. The school that I have come to love, is an energetic, hard working, overly spirited student body, who are all encouraging one another to do their best, everyone is always ready to support and help out someone who feels like they are getting left behind.

Some other things people seem to believe, is that Exeter is a constrictive and “factory like” environment. Of course on some issues, our school is rather strict, like academic dishonesty. But shouldn’t every school be? In a school where everyone is working their hardest, it is not acceptable for someone to cheat their way through the system. On the other hand, our school seems to be very understanding about drugs and alcohol. If a student decides to seek help for himself/herself or another student, they are not punished, but confidentially are able to receive the help they need. If a student is caught with alcohol, then disciplinary action is taken. Also, everyone seems to gripe about the 10:30 lights out for 9th and 10th graders. This isn’t so much a rule as it is a suggestion. The school would like us to try and be in bed by 10:30, but in my time here, no one has ever come around and told me to turn off my lights. There are so many other things that people don’t understand about Exeter. You honestly have to be here, on a normal day, to truly understand the wonderful dynamics of Exeter.

If you have any questions feel free to write. I wish you all the best of luck at your prospective schools.

By Phillipsexeter (Phillipsexeter) on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 01:34 pm: Edit

Well said Crewer you have given a great perspective on the way that things actually happen at exeter. I am also a tour guide for the school and i can tell you from my own experience that it can a be quite trying responsability. You have really hit the nail on the head!

Hey it looks like we are both in 06 see you in the fall

Sincerely,

Phillipsexeter