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So is there anyone out there besides me who doesn't go get trashed every weekend? What do you guys do on a typical friday or saturday night?

By Smiley (Smiley) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:52 pm: Edit

Yeah... but most of the kids in my school often do... They try to get me to come to their drunen parties, but I really have no interest.

By Mazzystar (Mazzystar) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 03:41 pm: Edit

Hmm...I don't go and get wasted every weekend, lol. Instead I stay home or go to the movies or rent movies or do homework.

Or just hang out on the internet like the looser I am.

By Me1 (Me1) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 04:42 pm: Edit

On Sat. I went to the mall w/my friend, went out to dinner w/her & another friend, & then we had a sleepover & watched movies. It was fun in my opinion.

By Mahras (Mahras) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 05:17 pm: Edit

This was my schedule:

Last Fri: Party at a school rented out by this super rick kid
Sat: Partied from 9-1am. Drank beer but didn't get drunk
Sun: Slept for like 1pm then went to soccer practice for 3 hours. Then went to prep clsses for 4 hours. Played bball till like 11:30 pm. Did all my hw and reviewed for a test (got a 100!!!). Then slept like hell..........till 5:30

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 05:20 pm: Edit

I know my friends and I have a RAD time just hanging out and going to movies (not too much else to do around here) and the best part is that I don't get a headache or arrested or a reputation...glad to see there are some other non-drinkers out there.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 07:00 pm: Edit

w00t sXe for life, I actually wrote an essay about straight edge ;)

lately my weekends have been spent doing applications and stuff lol which is sad but... just going to shows normally! so many locals that are awesome, and occassionally some bigger bands drop by... i'm seeing thursday/thrice on thursday! whee.

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 07:40 pm: Edit

"and the best part is that I don't get a headache or arrested or a reputation"

I love how you imply that everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Just because you don't approve of it doesn't mean its wrong. I drink on weekends and party til 3am because I find going to the movies every single weekend for 18 years is quite lame and boring, and doing hw, well im not even gonna talk about people who do that on friday nights. Change your routine, Im not saying go out and drink, just dont do the same thing every weekend, enjoy the different things life has to offer.

By Mazzystar (Mazzystar) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 07:55 pm: Edit

I don't want to turn this into a huge deal, but the reason I don't drink or anything like that is because people at my school do get a reputation, and I don't want to have to worry about the fact that the party I'm at might get busted and I might get arrested.

People who drink on the weekend for fun aren't alcoholics, but doing it just because everyone else does it is just plain stupid. The girls who do it at my school think they're seriously popular, but to everyone else they're just stupid. I really don't find anything very gratifying out of getting wasted and not remembering what I did the night before or acting stupid and people talking about me when I get back to school.

Of course, that might just be me.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 08:02 pm: Edit

vulcano you sound like one big, sad, stereotype.

yellowcard, don't ever try discussing straight edge with people like this who will just never, ever understand. they're too immersed in their ignorance and the norms of society. they can't grasp wanting to have integrity.

straight edge for life.

By Me1 (Me1) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 08:35 pm: Edit

Yea, I totally agree w/being straight edge. Jenny, I read your essay in the other forum. Didn't reply to it b/c I don't really think I know what an admissions officer's point of view would be, but I personally really liked it. =)

By Jenlikewhoa (Jenlikewhoa) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:17 pm: Edit

i stopped drinkign and partying and all that stuff awhile ago. i mean im not gonna lie and be like... "oh no its so not fun it totalyl sucks".
because yes drunkeness can be fun.
and im passing not judgement to those of you who do drink and party, i am nobody to say what is right and what is wrong.

i simply just stopped because i began to get really empty from the partying that i was doing. being wasted every weekened was definately FUN, no doubt, and soberness can definately be boring if u make it that way, but i just got sick of throwing all my troubles back with a shot of liqour and "living the moment".... it was not fulfillling for me.

the way i see it, you have quite a few choices. theres alwyas the party scene, fun for some, not for me, then theres the choice to sit around and be bored and feel like a pathetic sober blob. theres also total endless opportunities out there that can be taken advantage of. and it was hard for me to see the great things that i could do or become when i was drunk.

so thats what i do on my weekends, sit around and think of things that i could submit to chicken soup for the teenage soul.

actually i spend my time with my friends, or write music, play guitar, read. maybe fill uot an application here or there.

By Jnorsky18 (Jnorsky18) on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:54 pm: Edit

i play poker baby

By Shoshie (Shoshie) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 01:20 am: Edit

Usually doing an activity for youth group (yay, USY). This weekend I was at a convention which was freaking awesome! When I'm not doing that kinda shtuff, I just chill with friends, maybe see a movie or go out for Asian food. =P I'm not a big party person.

By Drago (Drago) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 02:24 am: Edit

I am the ultimate of designated drivers.

So, wait...am I a straight-edge or not? lol. Because almost all of my friends drink/smoke and I drive for them...but I don't do it myself...

Oh well.

Other than that, I play pool/chess/cards.
drago

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:25 am: Edit

Jenny, it sounds like we're a lot alike...same with Jenlikewhoa, when I'm home I'm playing guitar and writing music the majority of the time.

Vulcano, I don't know how it is in your town, but where I'm from if you drink you get completely trashed...I mean every Saturday morning national honor society does Big Brother Big Sister and a lot of times the "Big" kids are hungover, which is kind of bad i think if you're a mentor...but anyway I have a lot of friends who drink and I don't judge them for it...and it goes both ways, don't assume that I have boring weekends...but I apologize if I offended you.

Drago, that can't be too much fun!

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:29 am: Edit

Oh yeah, and Jenny that is awesome that you are seeing Thrice and Thursday...do you listen to Relient K at all? Saw them last friday

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit

nope, i don't know who they are, where are the from, what genre?

btw i have seen yellowcard live hehe.

By Crnchycereal (Crnchycereal) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 02:31 pm: Edit

Well, I by no means consider myself "straight-edge" as far as the image goes...mostly because the so-called straight edge kids at my school smell (don't ask me why they refuse to shower), listen to crappy music (I'm sorry, but I hate bands like Thursday and Thrice), and dress half the time for the sake of getting attention. With that being said, I don't partake in drugs/alcohol because of personal choice. I usually spend my weekends hanging out with friends at someone's house, a pool hall, the mall, or the movie theater.

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 03:09 pm: Edit

I understand you Yellowcard, it's jenny im not too fond of. Dont stereotype me, you dont know me, and thank God you never will. If we were doing stereotypes I'd have to say your just a lame nerd who does work all day, but that's not something I'm gonna do because Im a little bit more decent than that, unlike you.

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 05:42 pm: Edit

Sorry guys a little off the subject again...

Jenny: I'm sooo jealous!! I want to see them so bad...along with Something Corporate they were in town the other day but I couldn't go Relient K is a pop punk band with a fairly christian orientation, but they're not in your face about it...they're really good.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 05:47 pm: Edit

i'm not stereotyping you. you're stereotyping yourself. you only need to read your last posts to see it.

sorry but i don't do work all day. i bet you wish the world was that simple, that the people you don't like could all be dismissed as losers.

i bet you even feel like you're not a loser because you do drink. that might even be a portion of why you do it. even subconsciously.

crnchycereal:
i shower everyday, thanks.

you might just think they don't shower because of gelled hair or something.

thursday and thrice are amazing. don't even get me started on how deep and meaningful the lyrics are and how real their art is, as opposed to most mainstream stuff.

and most people dress to get attention. why do people try to look nice? so people can say 'that person looks nice.' we dress for people to say 'that person looks different. they're not confined by the rules of 'nice'. '

personally, i think most punkers/emo kids/hardcore guys have much betterr style than any jock.

yay fashioncore.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 05:49 pm: Edit

yellowcard: hehe! they were pretty good. damn i want to see something corporate too, their new stuff is so catchy, i can't stop playing 'down'!!

on the topic of pop punk, do you like stuff like rufio and spitalfield?

By Crnchycereal (Crnchycereal) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 05:59 pm: Edit

Trust me, I don't think they don't shower because they have gelled hair. I don't think they shower because they SMELL. Perhaps it's just the straight edge scene at my school, but some of these people seem like they haven't touched a bar of soap in days. And I hate, hate, HATE how people laud Thursday's and Thrice's so-called "deep lyrics" and "art form." As far as I'm concerned, most of the people who cry about the girlfriends who dumped them should shut the hell up and get on with their lives. And teen angst? Give me a break, every song has the same damn message, regardless of how the lyrics or melodies are reworked. Not to mention the whiny singers and uninspired musical ability. Perhaps one can call such lyrics "meaningful", but if you're gonna sing them, I say it should be done without making yourself look like a spineless wussy! GOD, I hate the drama fests that these bands have! And come on, a monkey could play some of these chords. Want a band that combines "meaningful lyrics" and technical genius? Listen to Dream Theater.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 07:11 pm: Edit

have you actually listened to thursday?

they don't cry about girlfriends... i can't think of any songs which do. i think you're just grouping them with emocore. Try to actually know what you're talking about before you bash things. they're actually quite political, especially in their new album. songs like 'autobiography of a nation' (in their old one) really get to me because they're so honest.

geoff rickly is talented. you might not think so, but I think so. Not many people can sing as well as him, especially live.

Face it, everyone has different tastes. Personally I think Dream Theater is trash.

By Korey (Korey) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:09 pm: Edit

I never leave my room, let alone my house...Except for school...and eating...and using the restroom...I've never been to a real party in my life...YES! Im a loser...::does the L sign to his forehead::

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:53 pm: Edit

good god jennyzong...how cliche can u get
"i bet you even feel like you're not a loser because you do drink."
I mean common, give me something new to hear. Dont act like an all knower, know yourself and stop criticizing others without knowing them.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:58 pm: Edit

oh please, like puking is so much fun.

at this age, people drink because it's the thing to do. because they're bored. because they feel older and wiser or they need something to relax with, because they're so dense they can't do it for themselves without chemicals.

give me a good reason why you drink and party till three and i'll say ok, you win.

until then, yeah, i do think that straight edge wins.

By Jenlikewhoa (Jenlikewhoa) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 10:08 pm: Edit

lol korey... amen to that!

By Purgeofdoors (Purgeofdoors) on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 10:09 pm: Edit

I don't drink, but not for any of the reasons listed here.

We live in an overmedicated society of perpetual victimization. For every ache there is a pill, for every toil there is an artificial rememdy. As they said in the book/movie Fight Club, our generation will never be great because "We have no war, we have no depression". Modern Western society has no idea how to deal with pain. At the slightest provocation (if any at all), we go out and get drunk or high. I go to a southern public school, I see it ever day.

Holden Caulfield, one of the greatest 'heroes' of modern society, would hate an emo kid. Although so many of the emo race view him as their prototype, he would never support a society based up victimization and fighting something that just doesn't exist anymore. There is no great American conspiracy trying to supress anyone.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've found solace in the philosophies of Nietzche. True pain is a fleeting thing, and our goal should be to achieve a higher level of consciousness through experiencing the pain of life, not drinking it down. I don't look down upon anyone who doesn't follow this, or think that I am better in any way.

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:06 am: Edit

Okay everybody stop picking on emo! I could go on and on about how much I hate rap but I don't because I realize that other people have different views on what is meaningful, artistic, catchy, whatever. ASSUMPTIONS=BAD, in every instance because all they do is make people mad. Purgeofdoors, read The Four Agreements.

"give me a good reason why you drink and party till three and i'll say ok, you win."
-good point

"know yourself"
-another good point

"yay fashioncore"
-i like this one


Jenny: Never heard Spitalfield, Rufio is pretty good...there are soooooo many bands out there right now it's amazing...how about you, do you play at all?

By Purgeofdoors (Purgeofdoors) on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:47 am: Edit

I don't hate emo. I'm ambivalent.

I'm pointing out flaws in the emotions it plays off of.

Don't get me started on rap.

By Number9 (Number9) on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 01:22 am: Edit

Hmmm...my weekends are generally boring. It's a time to just sit around, watch TV, maybe read...sometimes shopping or something if the dad gets paid that week. Sometimes there's bigger events like ballets, concerts, etc. to go to. Thats pretty fun...

Lately, me and a friend have been driving around the state every Saturday. It's a nice little experience, finding new places and all...

No parties really, I don't have many friends :\. I try to uphold high morals too. If I were to go to one of those kind of parties, I'd probably keep it to 1-2 drinks, and no sexual encounters...

My inner-self would really like spending Saturday and Friday nights at a cafe talking about books, music, etc. with some intellectuals. None such sort exist at my school though.

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:51 pm: Edit

Jenny check your email

By Neo (Neo) on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 08:49 pm: Edit

I write songs on my guitar.

www.soundclick.com/stratosphere <-- my music.

By Clipse (Clipse) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 06:00 pm: Edit

i usually call up my girl and guy friend we have small little kickbacks, we either go to the jaccuzi, or the movies, or find someone with an open house and rent a movie and have some drinks or just go to a cafe and sit and chill. Everything is funner when you have a group to chill with.

By Drago (Drago) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 06:57 pm: Edit

yellowcard-it is fun, though because my friends are fun to be around, drinking or no. So, yes it is fun.

And Jenny...please don't say stuff like "at this age, people drink because it's the thing to do. because they're bored. because they feel older and wiser or they need something to relax with, because they're so dense they can't do it for themselves without chemicals."

First of all, this is true for some people, but not all. Some kids drink because they like the taste of beer/wine. Some people respect alcohol. Just because people you know don't doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't.

"give me a good reason why you drink and party till three and i'll say ok, you win."

I don't drink and party until three, but the reason why my friends do is because they find it fun. Which is ambigious, just like your statement above. I mean, your definition of "good reason" is different from everyone elses.

But anyone who says "drinking" and means "getting trashed" ought to learn that there is a difference, especially on a message board with people from around the country.

drago

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 07:34 pm: Edit

Drago-Obviously I know that there is a difference between drinking and getting trashed but I don't know too many kids who have a glass of wine and discuss global warming and the ethics of blood doping on a friday night. I don't know too many people who would require a designated driver if they did. If you're saying that that's what your friends do and you go along and partake in the discussion without the wine, then I sincerely apologize. Maybe it is different in Connecticut than it is in New Hampshire. I appreciate that you are advocating for the mintute percentage of the high school partying population that doesn't get obliterated, but if you honestly think that kids just plain like the taste of beer, you are being naieve. I have many many friends who drink just like you so it's not like I'm just a rambling nut who has no idea what she is talking about.

I think it's time someone stood up and spoke out for our fraction of the adolescent culture instead of justifying societies norms.

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 07:39 pm: Edit

Drago, I could not AGREE with you more.

By Bruceconti (Bruceconti) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:27 pm: Edit

Definations of straight-edge please, i have been getting ambiguous meanings

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:35 pm: Edit

straight edge: hardcore lifestyle from the song by minor threat: don't drink/don't smoke/don't ••••.

but always dance. ;)

By Purgeofdoors (Purgeofdoors) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 10:56 pm: Edit

"Straight Edge" - Minor Threat

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around
And •••• my head
Hang out with the living dead
Snort white ••••
Up my nose
Pass out
At the shows
I don't even
Think about speed
That's something
I just don't need

I've got the straight edge

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around
And smoke dope
'Cause I know that I can cope
Laugh at the thought
Of eating ludes
I laugh at the thought
Of sniffing glue
Always gonna
Keep in touch
Never want to use a crutch


-----------------------

Interestingly, it doesn't mention drinking. Only drugs.

By Sleepdeprived (Sleepdeprived) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 06:56 pm: Edit

Jenny, I totally respect your intentions but I just don't agree with your holier-than-thou attitude towards those who drink.

"they're so dense they can't do it for themselves without chemicals"

This is probably true for many but you can't assume that you somehow know why people drink.
I am very straight-edged in my opinion: I study my brains out, stress over college, do what my parents want..usually. I do drink though, and i don't do it because I'm bored, or trying to escape the harsh realities of life, etc. I choose alcohal over soda or something simply because I like it--it has a rich aroma and makes you feel warm.
In my culture, drinking is customary for everyone--it doesn't carry the stigmas you're implying. My parents have always let me drink since I was quite young. I do not drink to "puke" or "feel wise", i do it for the same reasons you probably drink coffee even though caffine is bad for you and is addictive--because you like it.

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 08:52 pm: Edit

Forgive me, I was completely wrong because I FORGOT that most people drink because of the rich aroma!!!!! I mean HELLO! OBVIOUSLY.

The next person's gonna be like "Jenny, you are soooooo ridiculous because everybody KNOWS that alcohol helps with digestion and THAT is THE ONE AND ONLY reason why high school kids drink! Chuh!"

Yeah. Clearly.

By Neona (Neona) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 09:48 pm: Edit

There is the point that in most other cultures, i.e, in Europe, the legal drinking age is far lower than it is here in the states -- yet I don't think the kids in the U.K/Germany/Spain/France, etc. get overly stoked because of it.

Do you pick your nose? Crack your knuckles?

That's the equivalent of drinking over there (in moderation); it isn't anything to talk about. So while this isn't a justification for U.S. behavior, it would behoove some of you to note that drinking as a teenager isn't quite as obscene as some of you would make it out to be. Worldwide, it depends on the culture of your surroundings.

By Drago (Drago) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 10:34 pm: Edit

"Obviously I know that there is a difference between drinking and getting trashed but I don't know too many kids who have a glass of wine and discuss global warming and the ethics of blood doping on a friday night."

Actually, especially the "older crowd" I hang with, a lot of people I know do do this.

"I don't know too many people who would require a designated driver if they did."

Um, one glass is enough to make it hard to drive. I wouldn't let my friends drive after a glass of wine. Is it required? Not always, but it's just to be safe.

"I appreciate that you are advocating for the mintute percentage of the high school partying population that doesn't get obliterated, but if you honestly think that kids just plain like the taste of beer, you are being naieve."

I think the "being naive" part is the other way around. Many people who drink alcohol enjoy the taste of it. I know at least half of the parting population gets plastered, but that doesn't mean that every single person who drinks and parties does it. I mean, you made a general statement that, for all intensive purposes, was being applied to all partiers/drinkers. You were wrong, because almost all generalizations are wrong.

"I have many many friends who drink just like you so it's not like I'm just a rambling nut who has no idea what she is talking about. "

I don't drink at all, actually...so people who 'drink like me' are people who don't drink at all.

And if you know people who drink responsively, how can you just make a sterotype generalization like that?

You say Vulcano is one sad sterotype.
I say that you are one sad sterotype.

drago

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 09:51 am: Edit

Oh, whoops, I didn't say Vulcano is one sad stereotype, why don't you make sure you clarify who you are talking to?

And I meant I have many friends who drink like YOU HAVE MANY FRIENDS WHO DRINK. So I'll just disregard that little comment.

And yeah, you made your point. I get the picture. Not everybody gets plastered. How fabulous for you that you have friends who take on a mature attitude toward it. I wish I had that luxury.

I don't appreciate you calling me, or Jenny who you were probably talking to about the Vulcano comment, one sad stereotype. All we are saying is that the vast majority of teenage drinkers EXCLUDING INTERNATIONALS AND THOSE WHO HAVE A MATURE ATTITUDE TOWARD IT drink to get drunk. Ok? We are not saying that it is everybody, so just in case you all missed that at any point on this message board, I will repeat myself. IT IS NOT EVERYONE THAT GETS WASTED WHEN DRINKING. Now you can't accuse me for generalizing because I am not as stupid or provincial or close minded or as you hope I am. There have been major alcohol and drug problems at my school this year and i think it is disgusting. Holler at me if you want, call me a sad stereotype, but I have listened to far too many arguments on why drinking is a perfectly normal and harmless choice for high school kids. I have seen way too many people (who have brainwashed themselves into thinking it's okay) lose all self respect (from maybe puking on their friends, or from wasting their free time and focus, or participating in sexual acts they would otherwise avoid because they are drunk) because of our relentless justification to believe any of it.

And maybe we can avoid anymore "yeah but in other cultures..." or "yeah but not everybody..." statements because we all understand, thanks.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 01:16 pm: Edit

shut up guys

some people agree with drinking. some people don't. nobody on a messageboard is going to change any body else's views.

i called vulcano a sad stereotype because i don't like the guy. that is it. and he doesn't like me either. so why do you care?

this is too much like my other regular board.

next we'll be debating veganism, throwing down, and selling out.

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 03:30 pm: Edit

You are correct Jennyzong, I hate and loathe you, but what the hell makes you think I care about what you think about me?

By the way, I am an international, so what you may consider normal, I certainly may not.

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 03:59 pm: Edit

"some people agree with drinking. some people don't. nobody on a messageboard is going to change any body else's views."

true. not sorry for my opinions, sorry if i offended anyone.

By Laceycheer (Laceycheer) on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 04:05 pm: Edit

chill yall! well, Im not exactly "straight edge" I drink every once in a while, but it makes me really sad when i call up my friends to see movie with me, or just to spend the night and chill at my house... but they are too busy searching for a party to drink at. Yeah every so often, drinking/parties can be fun... but every weekend? blagh

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 04:07 pm: Edit

vulcano, you have no reason to hate or loathe me. for using those words i have even less of an opinion of you. you don't know me. your opinion is based on words which appear on a screen in front of you.

when did i say that you cared about what i thought about you?

by saying that it makes me think that you do care. obviously you care enough to reply and to say that you are international as if to justify your opinions.

it's like someone who committed a crime and before anyone could accuse them, says 'i didn't do it.'

too obvious.

By Arow (Arow) on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 07:35 pm: Edit

heres my opinion:

i think jenny tries too hard trying to sound smart.

dont flame me.

By Singergirl (Singergirl) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 12:46 am: Edit

Well im a friggen looser compared to most..er.. a lot of people. im 18 but i dont go to nightclubs or anything like that. No smoking, drugs, or alchohol. Ive tried it but i didnt like any of it except for a hard lemonade here and there..heh. Naw ive heard to many horror stories from people ive known personaly to get into any of that ••••. But no to answer the question on friday night im ussually catchin up on any assignments im behind on or making my schedule for the next week. I never go out.

By Neona (Neona) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 12:51 am: Edit

Singergirl, you're cool in my book.

By Drago (Drago) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 02:10 am: Edit

"And yeah, you made your point. I get the picture. Not everybody gets plastered."

Then do me a favor: stop posting comments as if they do. That goes for everyone, not just you.

"How fabulous for you that you have friends who take on a mature attitude toward it. I wish I had that luxury."

You can pick your friends. If you don't like what they're doing, pick different friends.

"I don't appreciate you calling me, or Jenny who you were probably talking to about the Vulcano comment, one sad stereotype."

No one appriciates it. But my point is, no one should be calling someone a "sad stereotype", especailly not during a debate. What an ad hominem argument! Why did I use it? To prove a point.

"All we are saying is that the vast majority of teenage drinkers EXCLUDING INTERNATIONALS AND THOSE WHO HAVE A MATURE ATTITUDE TOWARD IT drink to get drunk. Ok?"

No, not okay. Why? Because I don't believe that this is what the "vast majority" does. If you are speaking only out of your experience, then your judgement here is faulty, just as mine would if I said that everyone who drinks does it maturely.

Secondly, why are you excluding people who drink maturely? If you take out everyone who respects alcohol, then ALL THATS LEFT ARE PEOPLE WHO GET DRUNK. So, no, I don't accept your statement. It's not okay.

Where is your PROOF that the "vast majority" of student get drunk? (That means over 75% in my book.)

WAIT, aren't you the same person who said: "ASSUMPTIONS=BAD, in every instance because all they do is make people mad." is this very post? I see conflicting comments.

"IT IS NOT EVERYONE THAT GETS WASTED WHEN DRINKING."

That's right.

Now let me explain:
You titled this post "straight-edge"...meaning it's asking people who don't drink or do drugs at all...which is what most people define "straight-edge" as being.

Your original message was:

" So is there anyone out there besides me who doesn't go get trashed every weekend? What do you guys do on a typical friday or saturday night?"

This IMPLIES that everyone is NOT straight-edge gets trashed...meaning that everyone who smokes/drinks/otherwise gets messed up and trashed. Hence my comments.

"Now you can't accuse me for generalizing because I am not as stupid or provincial or close minded or as you hope I am."

I hope nothing of you; I merely read what you write. See above comments.

"There have been major alcohol and drug problems at my school this year and i think it is disgusting."

I don't like drug problems either.

"I have listened to far too many arguments on why drinking is a perfectly normal and harmless choice for high school kids."

I noticed that you didn't post any of those arguments here.

"I have seen way too many people (who have brainwashed themselves into thinking it's okay)"

Brainwashed? I hate to break it to you: your opinion does not define other people's morals/their opinions, which you suggest by chosing the word "brainwash" here. For some people, drinking is Okay.

"lose all self respect (from maybe puking on their friends, or from wasting their free time and focus, or participating in sexual acts they would otherwise avoid because they are drunk) because of our relentless justification to believe any of it."

Believe any of what?

sadly, some people get caught up in partying. I know one person who is like that...but, to be honest, she got her self-respect back...and she still drinks.

I don't think it's right or wrong-I believe it is something that can be done...and it's fine to do, in moderation.

"some people agree with drinking. some people don't. nobody on a messageboard is going to change any body else's views."

Says who? Maybe someone will read this and say "now I understand straight-edge people" or "now I understand people who support drinking."

Your statement lacks proof.

"i called vulcano a sad stereotype because i don't like the guy. that is it. and he doesn't like me either. so why do you care?"

Because you posted it in a public message board and it offended my eyes.

"vulcano, you have no reason to hate or loathe me. for using those words i have even less of an opinion of you. you don't know me. your opinion is based on words which appear on a screen in front of you."

And I hate this reasoning: "You don't know me in real life, hence you can't chose to love/hate me." Why not? Vulcano's opinion, as I can see it, is based upon what you write-your opinions. I'd LOVE people to chose to love/hate me over my opinions instead of...let's say...how I dress.

And maybe we can avoid anymore "yeah but in other cultures..." or "yeah but not everybody..." statements because we all understand, thanks."

Why avoid them? Life is not black/white nor straightedged/trashed. Why not focus in on what other cultures say on the topic? Why not acknowledge that all generalizations are false?

drago

By Singergirl (Singergirl) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 12:00 pm: Edit

OWN3D!

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 07:22 pm: Edit

http://members.tripod.com/~XthinkX/files/2020sxe.html

haha read this article, it makes me laugh so much.

no it's not an argument or anything, it's just funny.

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 08:50 pm: Edit

"some people agree with drinking. some people don't. nobody on a messageboard is going to change any body else's views."

Drago- why are you bothering to disagree with this? I'd say "some people agree with drinking, some people dont" pretty well sums up that novel you just wrote. And it's true because you can put your lawyer face on until kingdom come and it's not going to change my opinions.

What are we even debating? All I know is that I don't agree with drinking to get drunk. Mature use of alcohol is fine in my book. Seems like you've got similar views. So what then, the exact number of kids that abuse alcohol? Obviously if you only know ONE person who has gotten involved with the partying scene, then you and I live in completely different worlds. If you only know one person who parties/drinks to get drunk, then you're not educated enough on the subject to be debating my argument. I think we both know that that's not true.

How did that one person "get her self esteem back"? Wouldn't one have to lose something first in order to "get it back"?

You can twist my original comment to IMPLY anything that you wish. There are many statements I have made that you have countered well. The assumptions statement is one of them, but my original comment is not (the thing with assumptions is that anything can be viewed as an assumption because there are very few things we know for certain to be true--however, my statement that "the vast majority" of high school partiers drink to get drunk is an assumption).

"Where is your PROOF that the "vast majority" of student get drunk?"

I don't need "proof" because I didn't say "students". And what kind of proof are you talking about? Where is YOUR proof that the vast majority of high school drinkers are NOT drinking to get drunk?

"Not everybody gets plastered."

"Then do me a favor: stop posting comments as if they do."

"IT IS NOT EVERYONE THAT GETS WASTED WHEN DRINKING."

Would you like me to say it a few more times?

By Illusion (Illusion) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 11:37 pm: Edit

Why are you guys arguing, chill out, were all friends
newho just wondering if there is there drug use at boarding schools like deerfield and andover. Just Curious if smart people can get away with doing drugs.

By Illusion (Illusion) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 11:38 pm: Edit

SMILES FOR MILES

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:54 pm: Edit

Drago, I am loving your comments...

By Neo (Neo) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 05:05 pm: Edit

Wow...

I completely agree with Drago's post.

And for the record, I don't drink -- but he brought up several solid points. It's definately hypocritical to accuse others of making their generalizations after making a post full of your own.

Again...an interesting thread...

By Nyu2010 (Nyu2010) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 05:41 pm: Edit

"thursday and thrice are amazing. don't even get me started on how deep and meaningful the lyrics are and how real their art is, as opposed to most mainstream stuff."

Actually, Thursday and Thrice are pretty much as mainstream as you can get. Might as well listen to Usher...

I hate those ultra-conservatives called straight-edgers. If you're going to be hardcore, be it, and don't just grow your hair long and not shower and ACT like you spent the whole night partying, go out and DO IT, and if not, don't act like you're hardcore and love ROCK MUSIC.

By Nyu2010 (Nyu2010) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 05:48 pm: Edit

"I don't want to turn this into a huge deal, but the reason I don't drink or anything like that is because people at my school do get a reputation,"

Some of us just take the higher road and decide not to care what other people think of us...who gives what people at your learning institution think of you? That's a harcore belief right there, you straight-edgers should try to follow so you can seem a little more rock n' roll, eh?

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 07:11 pm: Edit

i don't think you understand what i said, NYU, i meant as opposed to most mainstream stuff which was INCLUDING thursday and thrice. they may be mainstream, but they have far more content than all the stuff that's grouped with them.

and none of the straight edgers i know have long hair or don't shower.

you can party and not drink you know. it's just a different scene.

By Sunnycagrl15 (Sunnycagrl15) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 07:50 pm: Edit

Wow...you can have the best of both worlds, i dont know why more people dont understand that. I get good grades, have high SATs, am going to a pretty good school next year depending on where i get in, and i dont have a bad reputation at my school

BUT i do party and have fun, and yes, sometimes i get drunk, which is also REALLY fun as long as you dont get carried away...just have a designated driver and be responsible about it and everything will be fine ....u can be a good kid and not just go to the movies and out to dinner and do homework on friday nights for 18 years.

By Mrpancake_2000 (Mrpancake_2000) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

Sunnycagrl15, you took the words right out of my mouth.

By Drago (Drago) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:54 am: Edit

Neo...I'm a girl.

"drago- why are you bothering to disagree with this? I'd say "some people agree with drinking, some people dont" pretty well sums up that novel you just wrote. And it's true because you can put your lawyer face on until kingdom come and it's not going to change my opinions."

The reason I disagreed with the original statement is that basically the person said that there was no point to arguing. That's a falacy. Of course there is. Someone might say, "Dude, now I understand the other side of the argument". Some MIGHT change opinions. (Not necessarily the people arguing, btw.) You never know.

"How did that one person "get her self esteem back"? Wouldn't one have to lose something first in order to "get it back"?"

Yes, that's what I said. She lost it, and got it back. I'll have to ask her before posting her story. It is, after all, hers.

"You can twist my original comment to IMPLY anything that you wish."

Not true.

""Where is your PROOF that the "vast majority" of student get drunk?"

I don't need "proof" because I didn't say "students". And what kind of proof are you talking about? Where is YOUR proof that the vast majority of high school drinkers are NOT drinking to get drunk?"

I'm sorry, you didn't say students, you said teenage drinkers.

In anycase, since you're arguing your point, it is you who needs proof. My proof is from experience: when I go to parties, I see most of the people their controling themselves. There are a few people who go crazy...a few more who get wasted on purpose, and then the rest are just chilling.

My point is, a good deal of people have this very assumption: "Parties + People = People getting trashed and having lots of sex that they don't really want". A lot of "straight-edged" people that I know thought this for a while. But, they had no proof. They got this belief from peopel trying to scare them away. So I invited them to a party...they didn't drink or do drugs, and they had a good time. And they knew the truth, then. Parties are for fun, some people get trashed...but not everyone.

drago

By Y17k (Y17k) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:38 am: Edit

sometimes u need to forget everything, and drink away ur problems...

By Yellowcard05 (Yellowcard05) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:49 pm: Edit

Drago- My "proof" is from experiences as well. I thought that all my other posts have implied that, and since you're big on implications I assumed I'd made myself clear enough. Sorry.

You are excellent at arguing and you will make a fabulous lawyer someday if that's the path you choose. I will be sure to hire you if the need arises

By Shhh (Shhh) on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 04:26 pm: Edit

SInger girl, I think you're great

By Ehakkinen (Ehakkinen) on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 05:04 pm: Edit

i can't believe how many times the word "loser" was misspelled in this thread

By Eileenish (Eileenish) on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 10:34 pm: Edit

i dont usually drink because i seriously dislike the taste. i have been a bit tipsy before and its only fun for a little while and then it completely wears off and i get depressed. so on 99% of my weekends i usually just hang out with friends at eachothers houses, meet acquaintances and hang out, go out to eat, etc. its not terribly exciting but it keeps me happy.

By Ratrace02 (Ratrace02) on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 05:59 pm: Edit

Hmm a typical weekend...

EVERY weekend my friends and I go out to dinner. After that, sometimes we crash at someone's house and watch a movie. But most of the times we end up driving around aimlessly lol. Sometimes we drink, sometimes we don't...either way I'm happy and I usually enjoy my night

ALWAYS LIVE IT UP!!

By Chronofx (Chronofx) on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 11:47 pm: Edit

if you don't like the taste, try something like mike's hard or smirnoff.

it doesn't really taste alcoholic at all, which is only bad if you don't keep track of how much you're drinking.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 12:15 am: Edit

Well, unless it's Smirnoff vodka, then you would know it's alcoholic because it burns.

BTW, Smirnoff and Mike's Hard don't taste that alcoholic because they don't have that much alcohol in them. Of course, you still have to remember that there IS some, lol.

I don't drink... I'm okay with trying a little of something, but being a lightweight (ha) I won't have much at all. I'm not straight-edge but I'm not the opposite either where I get trashed... I have no problem with drinking personally or ideologically, but it's not something I'd set out to do.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 12:15 am: Edit

Well, unless it's Smirnoff vodka, then you would know it's alcoholic because it burns.

BTW, Smirnoff and Mike's Hard don't taste that alcoholic because they don't have that much alcohol in them. Of course, you still have to remember that there IS some, lol.

I don't drink... I'm okay with trying a little of something, but being a lightweight (ha) I won't have much at all. I'm not straight-edge but I'm not the opposite either where I get trashed... I have no problem with drinking personally or ideologically, but it's not something I'd set out to do.

By Jennyzsong (Jennyzsong) on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 01:08 am: Edit

purgeofdoors

the song out of step by minor threat mentions drinking
'don't smoke don't drink don't •••• atleast i can ••••••• think'

By Gigante (Gigante) on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 07:49 pm: Edit

Umm... I just go to the parties. You don't gotta drink, the girls will get drunk on their own.

By Shai_Hulud (Shai_Hulud) on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 04:25 pm: Edit

You know, jenny, thursday does heroin!