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By Ubercollegeman (Ubercollegeman) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 08:38 pm: Edit

http://www.studentsreview.com/CA/STFU_c.html

Am I the only one who thinks that Stanford's Studentsreview URL is completely hillarious?

By 08pride (08pride) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 12:39 am: Edit

It scares me. There are alot of negative comments on there.

By Neobez (Neobez) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 11:46 am: Edit

Does the last comment scare the bejeesus out of anyone else?

By Hegemonhenenen (Hegemonhenenen) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit

It's a freaking website. I could make one just like it.

By Jaylopy (Jaylopy) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 04:26 pm: Edit

From the May 19, 2004, issue of the weekly Stanford Report, written by Ray Delgado (bold emphasis mine):


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Acknowledging that undergraduate advising and mentoring programs at the university fall "below the standards" set in other undergraduate education reforms, Vice Provost for Undergraduate Education John Bravman announced several new initiatives that should significantly alter the experience for students and their advisers.

Bravman and Director of Undergraduate Advising Steven Zipperstein outlined a detailed plan to address some of the problems that plague the undergraduate advising system, with even more emphasis placed on freshman advising, at last week's Faculty Senate meeting.

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-Faculty participation in advising has dropped from as much as 48 percent in the late 1970s to 12 to 15 percent today, partly due to ever-increasing demands on their time.

-Some advisers complained that they were matched with groups of students with nothing in common with each other or their adviser and felt uncomfortable participating in the standard socialization events. He said some faculty also complained about having too much information to digest when they became advisers.

-Many students do not take full advantage of advising opportunities or resources. He said his own experience since 1992 has shown that 23 percent of students who had scheduled appointments with him didn't show up.

-Students are increasingly arriving at the university with complex personal issues, including many who take psychotropic medications, which add another challenge to a sound advising program.

-Too many over-corrective efforts for advising have resulted in too many specialized groups and a general sense of confusion for many students. Bravman said programs have been offered through residential education, the advising center and the office of the Dean of Freshmen and Transfer Students, as an example.

"We have added layer upon layer upon layer and one of the results of that is that there's a total information overload and a total block about where to go to get even the most basic questions answered," Bravman said.

A number of steps already have been taken to help address some of the concerns of undergraduate advising. Zipperstein, the Daniel E. Koshland Professor in Jewish Culture and History, was tapped to lead the Undergraduate Advising Center last fall -- the first faculty member ever to lead undergraduate advising. The center is currently conducting a national search for a senior staff leader who will serve as its head of staff.
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Clearly there's more here than meets the eye.

Are faculty spending too much time consulting (advising) outside companies and serving on boards (reimbursement provides an extra $20,000 to $30,000 of income) rather than advising students? Do low student participation rates reflect student dissatisfaction with poor matches or bad advice? Is the "psychotropic medication" complaint just camouflage -- and how do other colleges deal with the problem? Is the phrase "sound advising program" merely diplomatic doublespeak that contrasts sharply with the 12% participation rate? Or was the word "deaf" intended?

Whether or not the reforms will actually work will not be known for at least four years. It sounds like amateurs learning on the job, not professional educational experts. At least they're paid well, regardless of the outcome.


From the Stanford Daily of May 14, 2004, written by the Editorial Board:


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Vice Provost John Bravman and Director of Undergraduate Advising Steven Zipperstein have presented a plan to the Faculty Senate for sweeping changes in pre-major advising at Stanford. These changes are long overdue and will help the University raise its advising standards to equal those of peer institutions such as Wellesley College and the University of Pennsylvania.

Bravman was absolutely correct when he told the Senate that “our advising programs fall well below the standards we have set and achieved throughout most of our other undergraduate reforms.” Indeed, advising has developed a notoriously bad reputation among many freshmen and undeclared sophomores, who perceive it to be inadequate to their needs. Bravman’s refreshing honesty shows that the University is serious about change.





So apparently this has been a chronic ailment that is being addressed in 2004.

This year.

Conveniently, this information was not released until May, after practically all college-bound high school seniors had made their final decisions on which institution to attend.

Coincidence?

By Hegemonhenenen (Hegemonhenenen) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 04:35 pm: Edit

Now that's research well done.

Not coincidence, strategy...
Conveniently, Duke did not tell its admits about the ipod giveaway until after all collegebound high school seniors had made their final decisions on which institution to attend.

Coincidence? or tragedy? :_)

By Jaylopy (Jaylopy) on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 03:59 am: Edit


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Duke did not tell its admits about the i-Pod giveaway




I guess if Duke had told admits beforehand, it would've been criticized as trying to bribe them with the i-Pod, and would have actually scared people away.

By Foreignboy (Foreignboy) on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 04:37 am: Edit

Free I-Pods? I should have applied to Duke..

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 01:05 am: Edit

That's freaking scary! Although it's a website and anyone can post any lie he or she wants, I don't think someone would write articles that long and that specific criticizing some major parts of Stanford University w/o actually having experienced them.

Hmm suddenly I'm having doubts about my first choice...


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