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By Subparasian (Subparasian) on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 10:57 pm: Edit

Today's CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/10/michigan.admissions.ap/index.html)

Freshman applications down 18 percent. HOWEVER...

"Despite the decrease in applications, the total number of students admitted so far -- nearly 8,600 -- is down only 1 percent from the same time last year."

By Jmpbhs (Jmpbhs) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 09:46 am: Edit

Some in-state students with fairly low ACT/SAT I scores (e.g., 22-24/1020-70 ish) have recently been routinely accepted , provided there was a high GPA. Even though the article says the quality of the applicant pool has not decreased, you can bet they are quite worried at the U of M. If the U of M doesn't start factoring in AP/Honors classes and requiring SAT IIs or differentiating in-state 4.0's, it will continue to have a weak student profile and drop out of the elites

By Jonathan0386 (Jonathan0386) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 05:53 pm: Edit

Do you think that because of the decrease they will accept more students? How about preference to minority students? in order to meet their quota...

By Subparasian (Subparasian) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 05:56 pm: Edit

Where are you getting this information?

I doubt a few cases in your perspective serve to outline the entire admission standards for this year.

By Cruella (Cruella) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 08:10 pm: Edit

"Some in-state students with fairly low ACT/SAT I scores (e.g., 22-24/1020-70 ish) have recently been routinely accepted "

Can you 'splain that? I am especially interested in the "recently and routinely" part. That statement doesn't make any sense at all. It can't be both.

I would also like to know where you heard that people with low ACT's were getting admitted.

Ta ta...

By Dstark (Dstark) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 08:25 pm: Edit

There have always been people admitted with 22-24 ACT scores. The 25% to 75 % range is 26-30. Therefore 25% of those admitted have ACT scores below 26. www.xap.com/gotocollege/campustour/undergraduate/3590/University_of_Michigan__Ann_Arbor/University_of_Michigan

By Jmpbhs (Jmpbhs) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 08:57 pm: Edit

Probably this year the 25/75 ACT range will be more like 24-29. Just ask guidance counselors throughout the state about recent February acceptances...some of these recent U of M acceptees have surprisingly low stats. This may be a "one-time" anomaly, because next year the U of M will get its act together on revisions to the application and "marketing" and explaining the changes to guidance counselors

By Celerystalksme (Celerystalksme) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 06:59 am: Edit

it has ALWAYS been stupidly easy for in-state kids to get into UM. this is not new. they've ALWAYS done this. it's a huge school...and they like to have most of their students to be michigan residents (about 70% of the student body is in-state). course, the state of michigan doesn't produce enough really bright kids to fill all those spaces at UM.

hell, i know MANY people at UM that had 3.0-3.5 GPA's...took NO ap/honors classes...no EC's...mid-20 ACT's...and 1100-ish SAT's. i know many kids in my class like that...and other classes as well. even when i was in junior high and highschool, when my cousins applied, i heard about dumb dumb dumb in-staters getting accepted.

that's not to say every dumb in-state is gonna get in. after UM accepts the kids with good numbers they have to wade through thousands of equally mediocre kids...with limited spots for those mediocre kids. then it basically becomes a lottery as far as anyone can tell...

that's how it's always been...that's how it is now...that's how it'll always be...

the presence of retarded in-staters has not and will not change UM's national reputation as one of the finest public uni's in the country and one of the finest uni's, period.

i doubt UM is very worried...

By Jmpbhs (Jmpbhs) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 03:52 pm: Edit

You're probably right about U of M not being "very worried" and it certainly is a great place, but College Admissions Trade Secrets and The Unofficial, Unbiased Guide to the 328 Most Interesting Colleges AND a lot of guidance counselors and private counselors describe the U of M as overrated. At some point, if the quality of the student body does not keep pace with the standards of its peers, the U of M will drop down a notch or two in rankings.

By Dstark (Dstark) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 03:55 pm: Edit

You can say that about many schools that are highly rated.

By Dadx (Dadx) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 08:36 pm: Edit

If you look at the absolute size of the place and the numbers, UM has a very large group of very smart people there. At Ann Arbor, the upper quartile consists of about 6000 people (I think), not 1100 like it does at Princeton or other places like it.

Also you will note in the USnews ratings that when rated by 'Peers" the UM and UC move up quite far in the rankings from where they are on other measures. It is a fine school that can produce a product the equal of any.

By Rmehney (Rmehney) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:02 pm: Edit

Just because you get a low ACT/SAT score does mean you are "dumb". And, I am rather offended by some of these posts by a select few. I, myself, am rather mediocre (3.75 UW GPA, in-state, 27 ACT, legacy) and I was deferred. So, obviously they aren't taking just any ole' bozo. Sure, having a 4.0 makes up for a lower test score, but they don't take that low. I have a confidential document from the university on the students stats they accepted from my high school and the lowest ACT score they took was a 25 (from a black female). I'm sure on a rare occassion they do take a 22-24, but what school doesn't? But, I definitely agree they should start factoring in AP/Honor classes. I have taken 6 APs, and as a result, gotten a lower gpa than my sister who took 1 and got a 4.0...Now look at her, attending Michigan and me --- screwed.

By Dstark (Dstark) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:03 pm: Edit

RMehney, you are getting in. It might take another month or two. I know a guy who did not get in until April 15th after being deferred.

By Cruella (Cruella) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:28 pm: Edit

Celerystalkme, you are wrong. I do not know where you are getting your info. It comes off sounding like sour grapes to me though. Even Michigan State has higher standards that you stated in-state kids need to get into U of M.

Can you back that info up? I know kids with higher stats that were wait-listed and deferred. I will admit I do not know of anyone who was rejected, but being wait-listed is the equivalent.

By Dstark (Dstark) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:37 pm: Edit

ACT ranges for 2002...2% between 12-17,
15% between 18-23
50% between 24-29
33% between 30-36.
http://www.xap.com
You can look at the lower numbers but if you look at the higher numbers, Michigan has more strong students than Princeton, Yale, or Harvard.

By Celerystalksme (Celerystalksme) on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:33 am: Edit

cruella,

i have no proof to back up my claims. i'm just going on what my fellow classmates have told me...and what i heard from my cousins when they were applying years ago. one of my cousins said there is a National Review article from 1999 that said UM was accepting people with GPA as low as 2.8 and a COMBINED SAT score of 830 (i'm too lazy to look this up, he could be speaking out of his arse for all i know). BUT...i know a kid in my highschool who's in the same UM class with me...he got in with a 3.0 GPA...no honors/AP courses...and a 1100 SAT/22 ACT. i can be pretty sure of his GPA and absolutely sure of his course load...we were friends...and though he never showed me his SAT/ACT reports, i doubt he's lying. and he definitely did get in to UM...

i'm just tellin you like it is. in-state kids with TRULY AWFUL numbers are admitted ALL THE TIME at UM.

no sour grapes from me...i actually really enjoy this place...ann arbor is my hometown and UM has turned out to be a very good ivy-alternative for me...heck, if you're ever here for a campus visit or end up attending UM, i'll be more than happy to show you the ropes! seriously! i DO love this city and love this school...but i'm not delusional as to think ann arbor is the greatest place on earth and that UM has only brilliant people.

as has been mentioned, there are some brilliant students here! many will cause you to rip your hair out in the curved pre-med classes! the best students at UM are easily the equal of the best any other school has to offer.

but the bottom studens at UM? they're an extremely average bunch. but you know...that's probably true of any institition...i posted my academic history somewhere on this site, and i can tell you from personal experience that mediorcre numbers and mediocre students exist at harvard as well. yes, even harvard accepts kids with mediocre numbers, despite what the naysayers on this site preach (including myself at times). they're rarer...but they're there.

By Subparasian (Subparasian) on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:43 am: Edit

Just last year, they had to redo their entire admissions process. Previously, it was based on a point system where minority status, social-economic problems, scholarship athlete, and minority school were all given huge number values. (http://www.michiganreview.com/admissions2.php) So with 2 or more of the above qualifications, one could get in with lower test scores and grades.

This year, they started a process of about 16 people in their adcom. Each evaluator is assigned to different regions of the US. Two evaluators would review the entire application and sort it into 4 levels of acceptabiliy. If their outcomes match, the applicant is accepted. If there is a discrepancy, it is put in front of the entire adcom for further review.

Go blue.