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Discus: What Are My Chances?: August 2004 Archive: UC Schools
By Xerocreative (Xerocreative) on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 04:16 am: Edit

(I don't think I posted the other Conservsation correctly sorry if I flooded)
Do you think I have a chance of going to my top 5 UC Universities List?
#1: UC Berkeley
#2: UCLA
#3: UCSD
#4: UCI
#5: Stanford (Not a UC School oh well...)

My background:
Asian Male

Classes I took:

9th grade:
P.E 9 A/B
CP Biology A/B/
ASC
English 9 A/B
Health
Geometry A/B
Algebra 2 A/B <--- Algebra 2B took in summer
Spanish 1A/B
Geography
Total GPA (Unweighed): 3.83
Total GPA (Weighted): 3.56

10th Grade:
AP European History A/B
Advance English 10A/B
Chemistry A/B
Pre-Calculus A/B
Spanish 2A/B
P.E 2A/B
Total GPA: (Unweighed): 3.58
Total GPA: (Weighed): 3.50

11th Grade: <--- miracle year
AP English Language/Composition A/B
AP Chemistry A/B
AP Calculus A/B
AP U.S History A/B
Computer Science A/B
Biotechnology
Drawing/Painting A/B
Total GPA {Weighed): 4.67

12th Grade:
AP English Literature A/B
AP Computer Science A/B
AP Biology A/B
AP Government A/B
Drawing/Painting 2A/B
Spanish 3A/B
Total GPA (Weighed) 4.67

Total GPA 9-12: 4.10 (weighed)
Total GPA 10-12: 4.26 (weighed)

I'm not a senior yet but I think I can put straight A's this year.

Extra Curricular Activities:
Vice President Chess Club
National Honor Society
Interact Club
125 hrs Community Service Hours
President Table Tenis Club
President Tenis Club
Member of Science Olympic
***No Sports*** <--- parents won't let me

SAT I Scores:
Total: 1320 M:800 V:520
SAT II Scores:
Haven't taken it yet but lets just say I got:
M: 800 V: 500 W: 700 Total: 2000

Please tell me if I have a good chance. And also tell me what other colleges I should apply too it might be very helpful to me too.

By Alexandre (Alexandre) on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 04:46 am: Edit

Your GPA is confusing.

Is your cumulative, unweighted GPA 4.1 out of 4.0?

Is your cumulative weighted GPA 4.26 out of 4.0?

And what is your class rank?

Assuming your class rank puts you in the top 5%, and assuming that the above interpretation of your GPA is correct, along with your 1320 on your SAT, I would say:

Cal-Berkeley -> Reach/match
UCLA -> Reach/match
UCSD -> Match
UCI -> Safety
Stanford -> Super Reach

If you can raise your Verbal to over 600 while staying close to the 800 mark on your math, and assuming that you have a 4.1 unweighed GPA and are in the top 5% of your class, then I would say:

Cal-Berkeley -> Match
UCLA -> Match
UCSD -> Match/Safety
UCI -> Safety
Stanford -> Reach

By Xerocreative (Xerocreative) on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 05:29 am: Edit

Yes my weighed and unweighed GPA's are out of 4.0

and I am ranked 46 out of 800 in my class but only from 9-11th I might be in top 20 after senior year.

By Alexandre (Alexandre) on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 05:38 am: Edit

Ok, so let us recap:

Unweighted GPA: 4.1/4.0
Unweighted GPA: 4.3/4.0
Tough courseload
Ranked in the top 5% of your class
800 on the SAT math
520 on your SAT Verbal

Well, in a word, your SAT Verbal is your Achilles heel. Improve it by 100 or so points, and you have a very good shot at Cal-Berkeley and UCLA, you are pretty much guaranteed UCSD and UCI. Stanford is always a reach, but with your grades and credentials, a 1420 on your SAT would actually give you a decent shot.

By Xerocreative (Xerocreative) on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 05:46 am: Edit

hey thanks. anyone else?

and say if I didn't do well in my senior and i ended up getting up my gpa down to a 3.8 what would happened. also included your opinions about my orginal question up top.

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 12:18 pm: Edit

ALexandre may not realize this but the UC's use their own formula for computing your GPA. Your UC GPA may be slightly lower than your school GPA.

For example, the UC's will recompute your GPA using only your sophomore and junior year grades. They will not include certain courses, i.e., PE grades don't count. If you're a Calif. resident, they have very specific guidelines for which classes at every high school in the state will be considered part of the UC GPA - usually courses like general computer science are not included but it really depends on your school's specific UC course approval. They also have specific rules for which courses get an honors credit boost at each school - usually tenth grade advanced english is not considered a weighted course by the UC in computing the GPA. Best bet: go to www.ucop.edu/pathways and study how the UC's compute GPA. Look under doorways to see what courses your school has approved for UC GPA credit.

Your grades and sats look good so far BUT the top UC's like UCB, UCLA, and UCSD place a good deal of emphasis on other factors such as challenges you've overcome, extracurriculars and leadership. Looking at your EC's, they're decent but don't pop out as being anything outstanding.

In general the UC's place greater emphasis on the SAT II's than the SAT I --- but they don't like to see huge gaps between the two. So, it is difficult to predict your chances accurately with out actual SAT II scores. One piece of advice: the top UC's like UCB are very, very concerned when they see an applicant with significantly low scores on the SAT II writing test. Try to get your SAT II writing scores in the 600's and you'll be in a much better spot, assuming you really do as well on the other SAT IIs as you think you will.

By Aeolus (Aeolus) on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 11:41 pm: Edit

good advice carolyn

By Astrophman (Astrophman) on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 12:47 am: Edit

I concur with aeolus. Xerocreative, come back and try again when you have your UC gpa calculated. Good luck, and keep us informed.

By Xerocreative (Xerocreative) on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 02:51 am: Edit

alright I took the initiative to calculate my GPA (UC GPA style) And here it is:

10th grade = 3.5 (did not count the P.E. grades)

11th grade = 4.67 (all my classes were all UC course approved)

And based on Carolyn facts, the schools that I want to attend only looks at my 10th and 11th.

Therefore, my OVERALL UC GPA is: 4.14

Now with that out of the mist can you people tell me what are my chances for these schools?

By Im_Blue (Im_Blue) on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 02:57 am: Edit

Here are the average GPAs and SATs of kids admitted to the different UCs for Fall 2004:
UCB: 4.16 GPA, 1350 SAT
UCLA: 4.10 GPA, 1346 SAT
UCSD: 4.05 GPA, 1298 SAT
UCD: 3.91 GPA, 1249 SAT
UCI: 3.91 GPA, 1249 SAT
UCSB: 3.90 GPA, 1231 SAT
UCSC: 3.73 GPA, 1198 SAT
UCR: 3.58 GPA, 1132 SAT

http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2004/freshman_admit_profile_2004.pdf

Your stats of 4.14 and 1320 are above the averages of UCSD and below Berkeley.

By Stanfordman99 (Stanfordman99) on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 12:14 pm: Edit

You have a great shot at the UC's because they don't have affirmative action policies. Being an Asian-American male will not hurt you at all.

Other great schools to apply to would be MIT and Caltech, since they don't place such a high emphasis on verbal scores. Caltech is very meritocratic and doesn't care about sports.

By Astrophman (Astrophman) on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 01:14 am: Edit

They will look at freshman year, actually, but only as an indication of how you have fared afterwards. When they see an upward trend gpa-wise, that should be pleasing.

By Xerocreative (Xerocreative) on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 03:21 am: Edit

So if I'm cacasian it would hurt me?

By Tlaktan (Tlaktan) on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 03:28 am: Edit

Would you do us the kind favor of listing all your classes and subsequent grades so we can do the UC GPA calculation too? It would be great.

Thanks.

By Stanfordman99 (Stanfordman99) on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:02 am: Edit

No if you were caucasian it wouldn't hurt you either.

By Quynh2007 (Quynh2007) on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 12:12 pm: Edit

hm...i wonder how they did my grades 2 years ago as I only had 10th grade grades to go on.

By Xerocreative (Xerocreative) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 02:28 am: Edit

sigh...

9th grade:
English 9A = A-
English 9B = A
English 9C = A
Geometry A = A
Geometry B = A
Algerbra 2A = A
Algerbra 2B = A- <~~~ Summer School
Spanish 1 A = B
Spanish 1 B = B+
CP Biology A = B+
CP Biology B = A-
ASC = A
Health = A-
Geography = A-
P.E 1A = A
P.E 1B = A

10th grade:
Advance English 10A = B
Advance English 10B = B
Pre-Calculas A = A
Pre-Calculas B = A
AP Euro. History A = C+
AP Euro. History B = B
Chemistry A = A
Chemistry B = A
Spanish 2A = B
Spanish 2B = B
P.E 2A = A
P.E 2B = A

11th grade:
AP English A = A
AP English B = A-
AP Calculas A = A
AP Calculas B = A
AP U.S. History A = A
AP U.S. History B = A-
AP Chemistry A = A
AP Chemistry B = A
Computer Prog. A = A
Computer Prog. B = A
Biotechnology = A
Drawing/Painting A= A
Drawing/Painting B= A <~~~ summer school

12th grade:
Not a senior yet... but my projection is a 4.67

I would also like to ask another question:
Does the UC admission people look at A-'s as bad and therefore contribute to a negative impact on their opinion of letting me in because I have lots of A-.

Another question:
I did very poorly (GPA wise) in my 9th grade year because I was a slacker and even more poorly in my 10th grade year because of many distraction in my life. But then I did a wonderful job in my junior year. Wouldn't my 10th grade year make me less eligible for me to NOT get accepted because I had many things going on that year.

By Xerocreative (Xerocreative) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 02:31 am: Edit

One more thing... This is kind of pathetic but I did all my Community Service hours and founded the Tenis and Table Tenis Club and join all the clubs in my EC list ALL IN MY JUNIOR YEAR!!! Is that a bad thing?


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