Chances for this midwestern man

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By Zachfax (Zachfax) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 02:23 am: Edit

Hi My name's Zach, I'm a white male and I was born in Indio CA, and i moved to wisconsin in 4th grade. I live in a very small Wisconsin town. The average amount of people from each class here who finish college is like 4%. My school stopped offering AP's this year because of money reasons, but i took AP BIO online last year but i didn't take the AP test. But, i think my school gives a great education if you take advantage of it. My dad is an electrician, but currently unemployed and my mom paints rooms. I am a first generation college student.

Took the ACT twice and my best score was a 27 but that was on 3 hours of sleep lol, so i will be taking it again this fall

I will be taking 3 SAT II's which i think i can do good on: Writing, Math IIC, and Bio

My classes for next year are: Band, Senior English, Social Problems (very tough college prep writing/current event class),
Calculus, precalc teachers aid, advanced physics (my second physics class), college prep chem (3rd chem class), and independent health(required). I've taken 3 years of Bio including AP.

My class rank is like 6/90... About 4 of the kids above me have artificially raised their GPA with a bunch of BS classes... my GPA is somewhere around 3.8-3.9 i got a B in AP bio, and our school does the 12 point scale for rankings and i have an 11.75/12, a 12 being straight A+'s.

4 Year Band Member (I also am a 4 year volunteer jazz band member) and I've volunteered for pep band for about 1-2 hours a week/8 months every year for 4 years.

I was in choir and chamber choir for 2 years but because of scheduling conflicts I wasn't able to take it this year and last

I've been in 2 school plays during high school and have had lead parts both years, I will also be in it this year too.

Leadership- Student council 4 years- Member, treasurer, president, and maybe VP this year, (I was one of about 3 junior presidents in our school's history) and i was also regioinal SC VP Junior year.

Class president for 3 years and might be this year if i get elected.

FBLA- 4 years- Member, Reporter, and this year i'll be VP. Last year i was 2nd in my region for impromptu speaking and I placed 8th at state out of A LOT of people.

NHS member 3 years

-prom commitee creator and member

-Traveling Quiz Bowl team 2 years

X country 3 years, lettered 1

bball one year But I think I will do it this year instead of X country Just to try it out

Track- will be 4 years, lettered 3, went to sectionals sophomore year, and i got 12th at state junior year! so this year is going to be awesome!

League bowling sophomore year

Taught sunday school sophomore and senior year
-roadside and riverside cleanup with the DNR
-help at local blood drives
-attended and raised money for alzheimers walk every year
-helped youth group of about 25 kids raise 25000 dollars doing carwashes and all kinds of other things to go to a youth gathering in atlanta
-was chosen by my principal to attend badger boys state, which i went to.
-part time job @ grocery store for 2 years about 15 hours a week.
-Now I started milking cows and scraping manure when school ended and i work about 24 hours/week during summer and will probably work about 12-15 hours/week during school

Test a nearby lake's quality with a teacher for the DNR for 3 years

-Won state optimist speech contest in 8th grade and got 1500$

-Volunteered and did tobacco compliance checks this summer

FCA member and lead many services before school-3 years.

I'm a really nice and funny guy, I love the outdoors, I love nature. I love to flyfish. In 8th grade I dove into a river with a friend and hit a log which i think is going to be my essay topic, because my life totally changed for the better after i did that because i realized, and my surgeon told me that a couple inches higher or lower I might not be here right now. OK well those are the stats, here are the colleges im thinking of... If you've made it this far

What are my chances:
Lawrence U
UW Madison
Colorado college

Those aren't in any particular order...
I think I might need some safeties.... I interviewed at Lawrence already and it went amazing... Could you list these schools according to my chances of getting into them? And please give me some recommendations for safety or good match schools. Thanks!

By Blaineko (Blaineko) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 05:11 am: Edit


Carleton........Reach (RD)..........Match (ED I/II)
Middlebury......Reach/Match (RD)....Match (ED I/II)
Bowdoin.........Reach/Match (RD)....Match (ED I/II)
Oberlin.........Match (RD)..........Match (ED I/II)
Kenyon..........Match (RD)..........Match/Safety (ED I/II)
Lawrence U......Match/Safety........Safety (EA)
UW Madison......Safety (RD)
Colorado C......Safety (EA)
Colgate.........Match (RD)..........Match/Safety (ED I/II)
Colby...........Match (RD)..........Match (ED I/II)
Grinnell........Match (RD)..........Match/Safety (ED I/II)

If you have a clear first choice, ED. If you have a clear second choice, ED II if the college has that option and you do not get in ED to your top school. Also, I think Colorado College and Lawrence University have non-binding EA options. Apply EA to them, as you can even if you ED to another school. The understanding is that you will attend the ED or ED II school if accepted, even if you get in EA at either Colorado or Lawrence.

Hope this helps.

PS--At Colgate, you can convert your RD application to ED until March. Thus, if your ED II does not accept you (they notify on or about February 15th), you can write a letter to Colgate to change the admissions plan to ED.

By Zachfax (Zachfax) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 12:26 pm: Edit

I would apply ED but i'm poor! lol what should i do? is it probably a bad idea to apply ED if you aren't going to be able to pay squat for tuition?

By Ohio_Mom (Ohio_Mom) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit

With money factored in, one plan might be to apply non-binding EA where you are pretty such you will get in and be able to afford it. Your safeties should be financial as well as academic. I am a tad less optimistic than Blaineko about your chances, but an improved ACT would help. You or your folks need to figure out your expected financial aid contribution for need-based schools.

If you don't think you will be able to visit your east-coast colleges, you need to see if you can start up a dialogue with them. It may be that some offer information sessions in your area that you would be able to attend. You need to show interest even if you can't show up! E-mail intelligent questions to individual profs as well as admissions. Best of luck to you.

By Blaineko (Blaineko) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit

Schools that guarentee to meet need usually have good packages. The exception might be Middlebury, where you get a little bit more loans and a little less gift aid if you apply ED.

Your high school counselor can get you a fee waiver, plus Grinnell, Carleton, Colgate, and Kenyon have NO fees if applying online. I would also replace Kenyon with DePauw U in Indiana, as the latter gurentees to meet need while the former does not. I would also suggest Hamilton C in NY. A no-fee app is also available for Trinity U. in San Antonio. The school guarentees to meet need.

You're chances are good at the schools because you are a first-generation college student from Wisconsin. My suggestion is to not fill out the optional section on page one of your application where it askes where you were born or your race/ethnicity as it does not help you.

Try taking the ACT again if possible. Remember, they do give waivers for this test also. If you qualify for the ACT waiver, then you will most likely qualify for a fee waiver to the colleges.

Sorry, this is so long.

Just my 2 cents.

PS--Get your counselor to note in his rec to colleges about the high school not offering APs. That way it does not look like you wanted to relax your Senior year. In any case, make sure your recs and essays are very good to excellent.

By Zachfax (Zachfax) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 02:15 pm: Edit

naa i don't qualify for that stuff, im kinda right on the lower middle class, bottom class border so we have always had the hardcore middle class squeeze because we are so close, but we don't qualify for things like waived AP test fees, lunch money, act fee waives etc... If i don't put in my race/ethnicity will they think im an asian? lol i suppose not because my scores aren't like 1600 4.0.

thanks a lot!

By Zachfax (Zachfax) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 02:44 pm: Edit

lol actually i was born in santa monica CA, i was raised in indio :)

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