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GPA: 3.57 overall end of junior year will most likely rise to 3.7 + senior year

Junior Year GPA: 3.75+
Senior year GPA: 4.0+

First two years gpa was lower and as time went on I improved significantly especially junior year. Went from 3.32 to 3.75+ GPA in one year

Extremely competitive public school : You have to apply for AP classes.Your AP application is reviewed by a committee and then a decision is made. Top students go into top schools (all the ivies)

Rising grades

4 A.P. Courses (out of 13): U.S. History, U.S. Gov + Pol, Spanish, Computer Science

The most a.p's I have heard someone take is 8. This includes EVERYBODY (yes the ivy people too)

Will get an A in A.P. U.S. History

SAT: 1350

SAT II: Writing 640
SAT II: U.S. History (Don't ask)

Class Rank: 3rd decile (no exact rank) could be top 25% although it would still read 3rd decile

Great E.C's + teacher recommendations + brilliant essay

One rec from A.P. History teacher

One rec from business teacher (this could be potentially great as he is my FBLA advisor and teacher for APCS and Business Managment)

My e.c's are few but I enjoyed them and that is why I pursued them for so long

President of FBLA

V.P. Debate Team: participated in state debate finals just got into some National Forensic League

Played tennis for 11 years: Captain of Tennis Team: # 1 singles player senior year

Might be member of National Honor Society senior year if I decide to join b/c at my school everybody is in (doesn't look impressive)

Sectionally Ranked Tennis Player by USTA New England

Played piano for 10 years: recieved two certifications by National Piano Players Guild Auditions at the beginner and intermediate levels

Participated in an online stock simulation game where I was ranked at one point as high as #26 nationally and #1 in my state. The game had several thousand participants.

Tutored inner city kids

Attended a summer enrichment program at Yale University

Job: Teaching tennis in summer of junior year

Selected to National Society of High School Scholars (I think it might be a scam)

Selected to Global Young Leaders Conference(Did Not Attend)


My list of schools:

Babson College (1st choice and will apply E.D.)
Boston University
George Washington University
University of Connecticut
Fairfield University
Bentley College
Northeastern University
University of Maryland @ College Park


Emory (as a last resort if I'm not accepted at any of the schools above this only then will I even consider going)

University of Michigan Ann Arbor - same thing as Emory its just too far and too cold for me

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 12:23 pm: Edit

can someone please help as this is my final list and I will not be applying to any other school that is not on this list. Can someone just give me a general idea if this is a good list or if it should be changed. I think its perfectly fine. However, I want to make sure I'm not making a wrong decision so that is why I need some comments or evaluations.

Thank you

By Tdizzo (Tdizzo) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 12:28 pm: Edit

I'd say it's a fine list. The only thing I'd question is the seemingly lack of "reach schools." Personally with your stats I'd check some higher risk schools (especially if you're interested in playing tennis at a higher level you can really parlay that into admission help). For example, you've got some pretty kick ass EC's in my mind in addition to having played sports (where do you find the time man?) with fine academic stats I don't know why you aren't looking at any Ivies. I think alot of people underestimate the power of athletics, especially with the Ivies.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 12:39 pm: Edit

I'm good at tennis but not good enough for Division I. Also with tennis most Division I colleges in the United States recruit players from foreign countries.

Other then that I think I have a fine list. Location is important to me that is why I decided not to venture to the midwest, south or western parts of the countries if I could help it. Based on that criteria I think my list is pretty solid. Hey the northeast also has the best schools in the country. The northeast has Brown, Upenn, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton, Yale, Harvard, MIT and a few more. It is perhaps the finest region for higher education in the country. I won't argue that statement because it is true and the schools that are located thier speak for themselves.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 12:42 pm: Edit

any more comments and or suggestions. They would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 01:30 pm: Edit

please I really need your help this will be my final list.

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 02:55 pm: Edit

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get into Babson, ESPECIALLY if applying ED.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 04:28 pm: Edit

yeah I know I would get into Babson but is the list good incase something goes wrong for some reason. Or you know college admissions if they decide to give me some rejection or deferral for some reason god only knows. You know how it goes there are sometimes people who will get in and everybody knows it but for some odd reason they don't. I was just wondering incase that happened would my list be a good one?

By Beckygirl383 (Beckygirl383) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 04:34 pm: Edit

to tell you the truth, I'm surprised that you're not applying to more competitive schools. you've got a pretty impressive resume, and you seem to be devoted to your ecs, which is oftentimes a rarity.

I think you'll be accepted to all the places on your list. good luck.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 04:48 pm: Edit

what schools would be at that more competitve level though. I know I'm not Ivy material and these schools are good but people think they might be a little on the safe side for me. Should I look for colleges in between the level that I'm looking at now and the Ivy's. I want to study business and want to stay in the northeast. I know NYU Stern is not going to happen or Wharton for that matter. For business I think this is a fine list and I can't really find anything in between. Its either these schools or places like Stern and Wharton and I know that I won't be getting into those. Anybody know of school that are a little bit higher then these, have highly ranked undergraduate business programs and located in the northeast. Maybe I messed up but these are the best schools that I could find and they seem to fit what I want to do pretty well.

So anybody know of those slightly more competitive schools located in the northeast that have good solid undergraduate business programs?

By Hammertime (Hammertime) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:23 pm: Edit

Emory and Michigan are both significantly better than all of the other schools on your list, and I think you can get into both. I would try to aim for schools at Emory's level of selectivity more than that of the others you're applying to.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:30 pm: Edit

Now I'm starting to think if I made some good choices or some bad ones. I know I will most likely be accepted to just about all the schools on my list. However, I'm wondering will not aiming a little higher effect me much in the long run? I personally don't think the difference of levels between the colleges that I'm lookng at now and maybe the more competitive ones would make that difference.

Again I can't find any other schools that have strong undergraduate business programs, are located in the northeastern part of the United States and are a little higher then the schools that I'm currently looking at. There is Wharton and NYU Stern and I know at those two schools I'm probably not getting in. Are there any others?

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:33 pm: Edit

Emory is down south and that isn't what I'm looking for. Any schools like Emory perhaps located in the northeast.

By Hammertime (Hammertime) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:33 pm: Edit

Well, I wouldn't say NYU is completely out of your reach. If you applied ED, I definitely think you'd have a decent shot.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:35 pm: Edit

NYU Stern remember. The business aspect. Even though it is great I don't think Stern would work.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:49 pm: Edit

So should I be aiming for some Top 25's or some schools in the top 35. I want business so my search is more geared towards that undergraduate business rankings list with respect to location of the school. I want it to be in the northeast. I couldn't care if I went to the school ranked 40th or 5th. To me in the end I don't think it will make a difference. However, I can't seem to find those schools that would be slightly more competitve and also ranked higher on the undergraduate business list.

By Metfan8501 (Metfan8501) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 06:03 pm: Edit

If you apply ED to Babson, a school you will probably get in RD, you will get screwed in terms of $$$. They won't have to give you a strong financial aid package knowing that you have to go there no matter what.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 07:11 pm: Edit

Metfan for me money is not a concern. So I wish to look at this process as if money is not a factor. This may sound snobby or whatever but I want to base my decision not on the cost of the school but on the other criteria besides cost.

Thanks. Any more suggestions.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 07:36 pm: Edit

nope I think my list is actually perfect. Babson being my #1 choice and by me applying Early Decision will be just fine and it won't make any difference in the long run whether I got to a school ranked 20 spots ahead for business or I go to a school ranked 20 spots higher overall. I'm happy with my choice as I should be accepted. Also it will be close to home so that I don't have to deal with long flights or drives. I wll be moving to Australia so those long journeys will become the usual. Hey even better I might even get into the honors program or something of that nature. My choice is the perfect one for me.

No more suggestions needed. I'm just going to get my application all ready to go and wait for my hopeful acceptance!

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 08:07 pm: Edit

I love it my decision is already made before I even started my application and the best thing is that its a great school where I would probably get in. Even better its getting harder to get in and the school is constantly thinking of new ways to progress itself. This college admission process is better then it seems.

By Hayden (Hayden) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 08:24 pm: Edit

Hammertime & Beckygirl: I must be missing something. I don't mean to put his stats down, but basically you're saying that a gpa of 3.5, 1350 SAT, a 640 in one SATII and below that in another, and in the top 25% of the class is a shoe in for Emory & Michigan? EC's are very good, but he doesn't seem to be a recruited athlete. Could you please explain your answers more fully. I know I must have missed something. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just surprised everyone is so confident in the strength of this resume.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 10:09 pm: Edit

I think Hayden my courses are challenging with 4 A.P.'s and over 8 honors classes and some college prep classes. I have significant achievments in mostly all my E.C's. That is not very common. I have shown prolonged dedication and a thorough dedication to the piano and tennis. Although I'm not the recruitable good I've shown a long lasting effort and dedication as that has played into my employment. I also think I have some unique things about me in that I participated in that stock market game and did so well and also found a way to give back to the community through tennis and volunteering. My essays are going to be well written and my recommendations should be strong.

Although stats mean alot I think the person plays a role and I think that I know how to play on my strengths pretty well and hopefully I'll be able to do that successfully. You see often times people do these things for college admissions. I do what I do because I have a genuine passion and have stayed dedicated to what I have pursued for many years. I think colleges realize that sometimes a person's experiences along with their creativity and academic success is a fine combination that should work.

I know I want to pursue a degree in business and have fashioned my curriculum in that manner. I have taken two business courses and recieved A's in them. I have taken an A.P. class and done well where I recieved an A- and will be taking an economics class next year. I don't try to put these numbers, activities and gpa on for college. I do what I do because I work hard and I want to pursue my dreams so that one day they might be a reality. For me college is a stepping stone to bigger things in life. I believe that regardless of what college I decide to attend my hardwork, dedication and passion for what I do will lead me to success.

I think Babson is a perfect choice for me and hopefully I will be accepted. After Babson (hopefully) I plan to keep working hard and pursuing my dreams to turn my life into a great success.

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:23 pm: Edit

Why do you need UG Business? I am in an ivy business school and very few of the people have business undregrad. I'd aim higher like Middlebury or Bowdoin, and worry about the business in grad school. A higher ranked degree in business totally pays off, look at USNEWS grad rankings and see how much different a degree from the higher school goes. This point is moot for entrepreneurship, which is totally in your hands...Also, Emory may be in the south, but its pretty much NYC in the south.

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:34 pm: Edit

If you do think your list is perfect, as you said, then why are you asking us?

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:36 pm: Edit

Also, I have heard that Emory RD is extremely difficult. I have a friend who had a 3.9 and a 1470 and was waitlisted. He got into Cornell though. Weird..

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:43 pm: Edit

i love threads by enarang

you have known what you want since the day you joined the board

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:53 pm: Edit

Slipper I want to pursue an undergrad business degree. See I'm in a different situation then most. I have the ability to work with an already established business in the family that will lead me to live a great and successful life. However, I believe undergraduate business will give me the preparation needed to succeed in the business world. I have several different paths that I can follow. I can either work my way up in the family business while still attaining tremendous success or I can work somewhere else then join the family business. I can perhaps manage the company or use some of its success to help me on my own venture while having lots of money to work with for a potential startup. See for that situation I don't see a need for an undergraduate degree in something else besides business regardless of ivy graduate business school or not. I believe personally that for my situation a degree in business would be better then a degree in the liberal arts as I don't see myself using those skills. The well-roundedness could be argued for days on end but ultimately what I want is to attain the actual business skills themselves not the way to think in terms of wide perspective that the liberal arts would give me. I want to learn the skills of how to run a business or be successful in the business world through some other area of business such as entrepreneurship, finance, marketing etc... That could be argued but I personally believe that will give me the best opportunity for success given my situation.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:55 pm: Edit

my grandfather started this business and my father worked in it before he retired and became a professor. He does some things on the side and will be moving to Australia soon.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 11:57 pm: Edit

he worked as a business professor before he decided to retire and now we are moving to Australia

By Beckygirl383 (Beckygirl383) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:36 am: Edit

How about Georgetown?

By Chrisy (Chrisy) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 02:05 am: Edit

bu- maybe
george washington- maybe
uconn- yes
umaryland-cp- maybe
don't know about other colleges, you need some reaches.
9 aps no ivy.

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 02:20 am: Edit

Cool, in your case I totally agree. University of Michigan has good business UG also

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 08:14 am: Edit

See for me the rankings couldn't matter at all. I would be perfectly happy going to a school ranked #5 or a school that is not even ranked. My list is good as I should be in at just about every school on my list and the schools fit what I'm looking for either perfectly or pretty close to it.

I can officially say my college search process is over and I have all the schools that I will apply to including the one that I choose to apply under the early decision option.

Thanks to everyone for all their help. We've had some good times and some heated arguements. I will keep helping others who need asistance in this same process as it definetely takes some searching and thinking.

I think Collegewannabe came to terms with himself and realized what he actually was trying to do when he realized the actual chances of being successful at doing it. Given his numerical profile along with his activities and personal qualities I'm glad that he came to his true senses and decided to apply to colleges that fit his profile and what he is looking for well.

By Chrisy (Chrisy) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 11:57 am: Edit

that's a good outlook

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:02 pm: Edit

im going to babson ED

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:14 pm: Edit

Haha, Enerang, wouldn't it be great to meet Collegewannabe at Babson. Oh, wait, that will never happen because Collegewannabe won't be admitted.

About your list, I think it's great. You might not have reach schools, but why have reaches if you want to go to other schools first?

I mean, if Babson, BU, and GWU are your first choices (and I think you have a GREAT shot at those schools), then there is no reason to waste $50 on crapshoots. I think that if you can bring up your SAT II scores, you could look for NYU Stern. Your GPA isn't great, but it is an upward trend, which will help. I think Babson is a great first choice for you. You aren't setting yourself up for disapointment when you get rejected from a bunch of schools, you are aiming realistically (which is sometimes lacking on these boards).

Good Luck with your schools. Keep us posted.

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:29 pm: Edit

Actually, you may want to look into Loyola College, MD. I know that it has a nice campus and a good business program. It's also a bit superior to UConn and Fairfield, I believe. The only problem I can see with Loyola is that it's got a large core-curriculum.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:51 pm: Edit

"Haha, Enerang, wouldn't it be great to meet Collegewannabe at Babson. Oh, wait, that will never happen because Collegewannabe won't be admitted. "


are you sure about that?

By Pinkearmufs (Pinkearmufs) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:52 pm: Edit

I mean, your list is fine. But don't you want to take any risks, like isn't there some top school you would like to try; it'd be worth it. Generally people with your statistics have more reaches. You know you will get into Babson already if you research the statistics. But if you really want to go to Babson, go for it. I'm just saying with your stats you don't have to limit yourself that much.

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:58 pm: Edit

College, let's look at your stats and compare them with Enerang's:

-Your SAT IIs are probably about the same
-Your SATs are 110 pts lower than Enarang's
-Your GPA is lower
-His GPA (while a bit low) shows upward trend, which is very good
-Your GPA does not.
-His ECs are very good (they show common interests and dedication)
-Yours are all over the map
-Enerang plays a sport (and is good at it)
-You dropped all your sports 9th or 10th grade

Also, other than those plusses for Enerang, he actually has a realistic college list. Do you see how GWU is one of his top schools, while it is one of your bottom schools (even though his stats are much better then yours).

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 01:08 pm: Edit

im only talking about babson which i believe and man other people think it is realistic. You do realize that enarang is not the only person applying to babson. Also if you go to the babson message board at their website majority of the admitted students have sats in the 1200

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 01:12 pm: Edit

UVA -my brother went here, my parents want me to give it a try also i have a house on virginia beach so im in state
NYU-CAS
University of Michigan-ann arbor
Babson
Lehigh
Rutgers
College of NJ
GWU
University of Rochester

NO specfic order

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 01:43 pm: Edit

Enarang, you should really apply to Tulane.

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 02:27 pm: Edit

I would look at UNC chapel Hill. Great for business. I would shoot there because of quality of life and quality of education.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 05:40 pm: Edit

Hey Collegewannabe get the idea I have a better profile then you by a fairly decent margin and my top schools are your bottom schools. Does that say anything. Well I'm not going to get you started nor am I going to start myself up again. You know where you stand.

UNC is very nice infact I have heard many many good things about it. I think my list is fine given my situation.You eee you have to take my given situation into account as well because not everyone is in that same situation. The way I think you send me to a top 25 school or a top 100 I can still make it because of my personal characteristics and my personal situation.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 06:04 pm: Edit

Collegewannabe you want to go to Babson I suggest SASAT II's very strongly. You better do well to make up for the low SAT score that you have.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 06:29 pm: Edit

Babson does not look at SAT2s bro

By Tlaktan (Tlaktan) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 06:37 pm: Edit

Collegewannabe, the SAT IIs are recommended by Babson College staff.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 06:41 pm: Edit

thats what they say but then i called them up and they said they dont really care.

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 06:42 pm: Edit

Wait, you don't REALLY have a 1350, right? Didn't you admit that it was just on a practice or something? (I was hoping nobody would notice this thread so this nonsense wouldn't get started up again..But no such luck)

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 09:24 pm: Edit

Collegewannabe, let's dispell the myth that you have a "good shot" at Babson. Let's look at the facts:

Freshmen Academic Profile
Average SAT: 1252
SAT I - Verbal Range (25-75%): 560-640
SAT I - Math Range (25-75%): 610-680
SAT I - Range (25%-75%): 1170-1320

College, you are near the bottom of this range. Also, you have a weak GPA and weak ECs. You do not have a "good chance" at Babson, even if you apply ED. This is a reach for you. This would be fine if you had safeties, but you don't. You are banking on a big envelope from Babson when admission seems unlikely. BTW, this info was taken from Princeton Review.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 09:49 pm: Edit

WOAH you defintely dont know how to read statistics.

580 verbal is low

660 math is towards the top

my ecs are def not weak they are decent.

GPA you cant go by urs you have to see my school
my rank is decent 1 or 2 second decile. and i take the hardest courseload

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:16 pm: Edit

great lets not get started but I refuse to believe you called up Babson and they said they don't really care about SAT II's. How can a college not really care about something when they recommend it. Now that doesn't make any sense at all. Oh just say recommend SAT II's but don't look at them if provided. Yeah that makes total sense right. Your wishful thinking hopes thats the way it works but it doesn't.

Your not labeled as having a good shot at Babson as much as you would like to think and lets not get started again please.

I have a good shot. I have an SAT score almost near the top 75%. I have a higher gpa that shows improvement in grades. I have extracurriculars that I devote myself to and do them because I want to and it shows. I don't do them to list the zillions I just joined for the heck of it because I didn't. I decided to pursue a few of them and achieve my main goals and I was able to attain notable achievments in basically everyone.

I have SAT II's. My writing score is certainly not low for Babson. My history score kind of sucked but I have shown my ability to succeed in an A.P. U.S. History class where I recieved an A-.

I have shown that business is my future path. I have taken several A.P.'s (4) and many honors classes (8) along with some good college prep classes. I did the best my junior year and took business courses where I succeeded.

You can say your gpa is high for your school. Certainly not many high schools grade that way and if colleges don't know that you are screwed.

You better have done well in the challenging courseload. Nothing less then A's or B's. Even then although that is a big factor at many schools including Babson I have it set in my mind that you are lacking in the other departments.

Thank you and you can start up all over again but I won't argue. All I will do is guide you and other people that need help in the way that I feel is best for them given their situation (academic and individual non-academic)

I have a good road for success. I'm in a different situation then most and even then I realize that nothing is guaranteed and still work hard. I'm trying to give myself the best possible opportunity I can to ensure that I will be successful. My situation might be different then most but I will continue to work hard as that will never change and I will achieve my goals.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:20 pm: Edit

i will have taken 16 honors classes and 6 aps

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:35 pm: Edit

good but remember take that in context of your school. How many classes a day? How many are distinctly labelled as "honors" how many are labeled as A.P.? Have you challenged yourself and made good use of these classes. Have you succeeded. See I'm confused here. You have taken 6 A.P.'s and 16 honors and still only have an 88 average or a 3.3 gpa. If that is what the colleges will see I would be concerned as with that high a number of A.P's and honors the gpa should be higher. That brings into question how well have you succeeded.

You see I have the same level of challenge more or less with what my school offers. However, the differences are tests, E.C's, achievements and gpa.

Mine are all better. I can say your failure is to not draw up your strong points. You seem to let the important things go unmentioned. Why is this?

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:38 pm: Edit

You have taken 6 A.P.'s and 16 honors and still only have an 88 average or a 3.3 gpa.

thats UW
that means im not given the points for the classes in that average
i take have been taking the hardest course load. I honestly dont see how you think my ECs are weak. I have awards also

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:41 pm: Edit

you seem to want a rejection because you fail to emphasize what you have done correctly. I'm worried about your presentation and ability to emphasize your strong points. You see there is a way to present your application that makes it look persuasive. You make it look like JoShmo nothing unique. Its in your favor to change that. Numbers and the other damn criteria are important but how you can present this is perhaps just as important. You don't have that uniqueness or ability to emphasize the good you have done. That should be your main focus learning how to correctly present your information so that it sounds intriguing and persuasive. It should be catchy and make a place feel that you are a true person who has clearly worked hard and done well.

You seem to like your app the way it is. Being dull and the usual. That is your biggest downfall as of now. You need to learn how to present information properly so that it speaks volumes to others not just yourself.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:42 pm: Edit

Give me the gpa exactly the way it reads on your transcript. No comments or anything else just the gpa as it is written on your transcript that will be sent out to colleges.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:43 pm: Edit

your app doesnt seem to flashy either the way im going to word and the way it will be edited by my brother im pretty sure its going to be wh at you say it should be

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:46 pm: Edit

thers is no gpa on my transcript


it has all my grades and the averages for each year

which in the end is a 88

and 95 is my weighted average

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:49 pm: Edit

I don't have any reason to believe that. I don't need the flashy. My numbers, E.C's, achievements, awards and attitude speak for itself. You better and I mean you better make sure that the application is not written the way you are planning to. I have the numbers and some good e.c's that shown devotion and effort. I have achieved some things that stand out. Sometimes the biggest flash of all is hardwork. I have shown that.

You need to work on that. Get across the hardworking attitude and dedication. That is sometimes the trick that works better then the individual application or flashiness to it.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 10:52 pm: Edit

k so for this we will use an 88 as colleges may wish to weight/unweight or do whatever they do. But as written the gpa is 88. Colleges may do whatever they do and they will have different numbers. But you have to go with what you have and that is the 88. I use the 3.57 because that is what is written.

Remember maybe forget flash and get the honest hardworking and dedicated individual across.

By Woogiewilly25 (Woogiewilly25) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 12:02 am: Edit

Hey. Ok so i had like simliar stats and applied to a bunch of the same schools... I had...around a 3.4 gpa (maybe 3.6 weighted)...and a 1250 sats...i didnt take sat IIs and i had a ton of ECs and REALLY amazing teacher recs (i got to read mine)...i applied to:

University of Maryland- got in (out of state)
Fairfield-got in
Bentley-got in EA
Boston U-GSP program, got in.

I'm going to University of Maryland...I'm assuming you wanna be a business major-Maryland's business school is really good, and since your SATS are over 1300 you shouldn't have an issue...consider it, I love my school, it's a great place...but overall, you should be just fine...good luck

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 12:19 am: Edit

look Collegewannabe Woogiewilly had very similar stats to you and his may have been better due to his EC's and rec's and he got Boston University GSP.

What does that tell you. Time to get back to the drawing board and work on presenting yourself.


Woogie I've also heard good things about UM @ College Park if I don't get into where I want ED I just may end up as a terrapin. (Although if all goes the way it should I would be in ED but it is definetely on my list)

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 12:31 am: Edit

so your now this hotshot Collegewannabe? Just (j/k) remember presentation is as important as anything else. If you can't show them you are capable they won't know.

Look at Woogie and look at you. Striking similarities. He has the edge and look at what your trying to do here with not even stats that are equally as good.


Remember presentation and emphasis on your strong points.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 11:18 am: Edit

Remember if you can't get your gpa situation across along with your hardwork forget your schools. Places need to know these things and want to know how hard you really do work and it is your job to let them know. If you can't do that nothing will make up for it.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 11:33 am: Edit

My list is good .I could take risks but WHY take them. WHY set myself up for a possible rejection when I'm happy with the schools that I have chosen already and I believe that they fit my needs perfectly. I will be taking many risks later on in my life where its basically make it successful or loose it all. If I decide to start up my company using all the money available it will either be I'll make it or I won't. That risk is perhaps the biggest one that anyone could take. I could stay away from risks and work my way up in the family business that my dad worked in before he retired and became a college professor. That would be less of a risk but money doesn't fall from the sky. Even working my way up or learning to manage an extremely successful company is difficult and requires hard work. However, I plan on taking risks later in my life that have the potential to surpass any college degree at any level from any college on this earth. If what I decide to do works I will be a very happy camper. If it doesn't work then I either go down with my decision to startup or I fall back on something that is already there for me. See that is something I will have to decide. Should I take the risk or should I just work in the already established business? I'd rather wait then start now. I'll take my risks when my time comes.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 12:53 pm: Edit

Collegewannabe my advice would be to try your early decision at one of the following schools. BU,GW, NYU, Babson or Lehigh.

Those schools are your reaches and my conclusion is that you seem to really enjoy NYU so why not try your early decision there. That is a school that you have shown interest in and you are on their weaker side of applicants. Early Decision might give you the edge at NYU. If I remember you are from NJ and New York is certainly not far. Hey maybe if you get lucky at NYU you can transfer to Stern although I highly doubt that.

I believe doing Babson under Early Decision would not be a good move for you because there are other schools on your list that are bigger reaches and NYU happens to be one of them. You should use early decision at the school you think is the biggest reach for you but by applying Early Decision you would give yourself a good chance.

NYU would be that school.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 03:11 pm: Edit

i visited babson and also loved it

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 03:54 pm: Edit

great what about NYU?

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 04:07 pm: Edit

realize that if for some reason you are not accepted to any school on your list except the College of New Jersey and Rutgers you will be left in the dark. Your list now reads as follows:


NYU CAS
Babson
Lehigh
GWU
Rutgers
College of NJ
University of Rochester
University of Michigan Ann Arbor
UVA is a complete waste of your money and time you are a fool to apply there

This insane love for Babson is not helping you out either. The school is getting harder to get into. Even Princeton Review says be wary of overconfidence when applying because Babson has benefited handsomely from the trend of corporate downsizing and that has lead more students to seek pre-professional colleges that lead them to a specific career path. Combine that recent corporate downsizing trend with Babson's good reputation and you have yourself a challenge despite the moderate freshman academic profile.

By the way I think that reads almost verbatim from Princeton Review's 351 Best Colleges guide

Did you rethink that Michigan decision over about the applying to the business school and its accomplished applicant pool or would you rather not do business and still go to Michigan. Realize that is why I didn't consider Michigan because of that risk of not getting into the business school and graduating with a non-business degree or transfer both of which I'm not willing to do.

I know where I plan on going and have my list ready exactly. I don't need more help. I'm here to help you and other people out who are in the same situation that I once was in.

Oh yeah I just noted Boston University doesn't appear to be on your list. Did you forget to put that down or did you purposely take it off (the latter would be a pretty bad move on your part considering your schools)

Basically factor UVA out the door so you are dealing with 8 schools.


Any other things you need help with?

By Elizabeth22 (Elizabeth22) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 04:22 pm: Edit

Wow, this argument has gone on for wayyyyyy too long. It's getting laughable. Ejpowers, you won't get a response with logic or statistics- I tried it already.

"thers is no gpa on my transcript"
Well obviously, colleges need something to look at, so they'll calculate one themselves if your school is weird enough not to provide a GPA. It doesn't matter whether or not it's written on the paper- It's still an 88.

College, I'm with Enarang on this. I really, really hope you're not planning to write your applications like you write your posts. They're so hard to read.


I just hope you don't both end up going to Babson and being roommates or someting. Actually, it might be really funny if you did. Keep us posted, boys.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 04:33 pm: Edit

oh hell no if he goes there forget it. I'll leave and go somewhere else. That is because I might actually get in somewhere else. (That was good)


Well Elizabeth don't you think its high time this kid stopped asking us his chances. He went to the Babson College site and also posted some junk. He asked kids there what their gpa was, what their SAT score was, what were their activities etc... I think that is getting a little too obsessive.

If he goes there I'll just transfer somewhere else.

Honestly I haven't come across someone this worried about college admissions. Elizabeth don't you think that might be a bad thing for him as colleges might realize his skepticism and second guessing constantly. I just hope he doesn't write his applications the way he plans to do here and hope that worried attitude doesn't become blatantly apparent.

Well I've helped him enough. My time is now going to be spent elsewhere unless of course he comes back with some stupid insult at me maybe another "shutup" or "dumba*s".

Yeah if he goes to Babson I'm probably not going or if he goes and I decide to go I just hope I never have to lay eyes upon this worry some kid.

By Elizabeth22 (Elizabeth22) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 05:12 pm: Edit

Yeah, he's obsessed. I feel bad that he's having such a hard time with this process. I honestly hope he just gets into Babson so he'll calm down a little. Actually, if he gets in he'll post "I TOLD YOU I'D GET INTO BABSON" threads for all 4 years he's there, so maybe I don't hope he gets in. I'm going to read his posts on the Babson board. The moderators here are so funny- I was laughing so hard over their posts on the other Babson thread on this section.

By Shaka (Shaka) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 05:25 pm: Edit

i can picture collegewannabee talking like apu from the simpsons...it's even more humorous

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 05:43 pm: Edit

no he went to the actual college website not the collegeconfidential Babson board. He went to the direct Babson website. Now that is definetely obssesive.


He is definetely getting way to hyped not just about Babson but about this whole process in general. He needs to put this process into perspective. He is definetely way to engrossed in the college admissions process and quite frankly I have never seen someone this obssesive even on collegeconfidential.

I think for anyone that is definetely crossing the line.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 06:01 pm: Edit

Shaka that is good.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 06:18 pm: Edit

Oh yeah I just noted Boston University doesn't appear to be on your list. Did you forget to put that down or did you purposely take it off (the latter would be a pretty bad move on your part considering your schools)

No its off my list


Do you think i care if you dont go to babson bcz of me?

Elizabeth I dont give a •••• if you dont want or want me getting into the college of my choice bcz your not deciding.

Shaka take your jokes elsewhere

if im so obessive you are too Enarang you also post at the babson site

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 07:00 pm: Edit

lets see, enerang probably posted his stats a couple times for more responses. (I do the same thing). You post your stats about 100 times, and on every website ever made (yes, every web site ever).

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 07:20 pm: Edit

you make yourself sound so dumb

By Elizabeth22 (Elizabeth22) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:24 pm: Edit

Cool it, College.

It's a bad idea to post on a "What are my chances?" forum if you don't want opinions. The only reason people continue to refer to you, or even to speak to you, is because you're ridiculous. You've been ridiculous since the first thread you started, which is why someone put a thread "Put an end to hollaratme's question about his schools" or something along those lines. People are sick of hearing from you. As for your insults directed either towards Enarang or Ejpower, I don't think they're the ones who sound particularly dumb. It's interesting how almost everyone who's ever posted on the same thread you have is fed up with you, and you continue to act like we've victimized you for giving our opinions about your chances (which, I might add, is the entire purpose of posting in the first place). At first, we were all happy to help you figure out a good place for you to attend school, but as you've become increasingly belligerent, it makes it difficult to even treat your posts with much respect. If someone found me so obnoxious that they would consider attending a different college than the one I was attending (even if they were joking), it would make me re-examine my attitude towards other people, the college process, and the world at large. Oh, and swearing at your fellow posters reaffirms our belief that you're unable to gracefully articulate your intended message.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:43 pm: Edit

I never asked for my chances

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:44 pm: Edit

Collegewannabe this is what I can tell right from your personality and various posts. You would like to be in a city school so the following should be where you apply. BU, NYU, GW with some other schools of course but they should be near the cities. Just remember though Babson is a quiet place. If you haven't visited it during the school year it may be very different then you expected. See I know that I might be missing out on the usual college experience because Babson is a much smaller place with not that many students and not the usual football games on weekends or the big nationally televised basketball game. You know the usual college experience at lets say a Michigan it is very different then what one would find at a school like Babson.

So you see it has its upsides and it has its downsides. For me the upsides are better then the downsides and I'm willing to make those sacrifices.


You haev to think where you will FIT best. Put academics aside for a second and think the next four years of your life will be at a place. You won't like the place if you hate being there and don't fit in.

Perhaps look into Franklin & Marshall. Your going to say no of course. Well its located just outside of Philadelphia like a 15 minute drive or so. They have a good reputation and I know first hand people that have graduated from there and are making millions within 4 years of graduating. Yes they are probably extremely rare cases but stuff like that does happen and Franklin & Marshall just so happens to be the place. Its not that big roughly the same size as Babson maybe 250-300 more kids. Similar location except just outside of Philadephia and not Boston.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:46 pm: Edit

business program is weak

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:47 pm: Edit

I have visited every school on my list and many more and the ones on my list are the ones i see myself at

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:50 pm: Edit

And I see myself at Harvard (Haha, good one Erik. Thanks!)

Really, I can see myself at Princeton, Yale, Stanford, and Duke, but I'm not going to apply there because it's out of my reach. Understand?

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:50 pm: Edit

I posted at the Babson site because I needed information about the interview and application itself. Never did I post my chances and I had some questions about my schedule for next year and SAT score.


You on the other hand decided to ask already admitted Babson students what their exact stats were (gpa, SAT score, activities etc...) so you could compare their stats to yours. The admissions lady even said please don't worry about what other people had concentrate on what you have and what you should be doing

It is honestly a little scary and a bit troubling that you are so worried about this process. Instead of coming to us I say you seek a professional college admissions consultant. Not one of these services but an actual person in your area that can help assist you. Do yourself the biggest favor and get real advice from a real expert who has seen many kids through the years and worked with them to get into colleges. Go to an actual person and they can tell you. That way you can see for yourself and the level of schools you are applying to don't match. You will see from an experienced professional who helps guide kids like you in making good decisions rather then just ones based on "name". If money isn't an issue for college then you should definetely be able to afford it. That will be the best thing that you can do.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:53 pm: Edit

Yeah I'd say quit wasting your time Collegewannabe and everyone else's and get to a professional college admissions counselor immediately. Maybe they will be the ones to get you to understand. Yes it is your decision but often times the decision given to you by a college admissions counselor who has worked with kids going through the same process as you and has helped them make sound decisions is the best one.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Collegewannabe that is the bst thing that you can do. If a college admissions counselor can't do the trick of convicing you to re-think your list then officially NO ONE can.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 09:56 pm: Edit

i dont need one

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:08 pm: Edit

I'm going to post the avg sats for all these colleges.

CMU-1362
NYU-CAS-1310
University of Michigan-ann arbor-1305
Babson-1252
Lehigh-1296
Rutgers-1210
College of NJ-1240
GWU-1240
University of Rochester-1352

Your SATs are below almost all of these. Rutgers, College of NJ, GWU (although that avg seems a little low, i think its higher now), and possibly ED Babson are all reach/matches. I mean, having an SAT in the range doesn't make it a target. For example, even for my reach schools (GWU and BC) my SATs are at the 75% range because of my weaker-than-avg GPA and ECs. You have weak GPA and SATs (let's pretend you have good ECs). This means that you have no sure-fire schools. I mean, you might get into one of these schools, but there is a realistic possibility that you will get into none of them. You have nothing that will accept you no matter what.

Don't try to dodge this post, tell us what your safeties are and why you consider them safeties.

Guys, you know what would be funny? If this was some guy who wanted to get us all worked-up and was making all this up.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:11 pm: Edit

CMU-1362
??

im not applying there

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:11 pm: Edit

CMU-1362
??

im not applying there

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:11 pm: Edit

CMU-1362
??

im not applying there

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:13 pm: Edit

where are these averages from?

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:23 pm: Edit

Princeton review. The colleges that didn't list avg sat scores, i just took the 25% sat, added it to the 75% sat, and divided by 2 to get the 50% sat.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:24 pm: Edit

By Pinkearmufs (Pinkearmufs) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:26 pm: Edit

wow i cant believe there are 95 posts for a kid who needs help with a college list he's wasn't even going to change.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:27 pm: Edit

i never asked for help enarang started this

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:44 pm: Edit

yeah but you decided to join in. I was done with my list a while back and you decided to get involved in yet another post.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:47 pm: Edit

i never asked to examine my chances ok you asked me about them and brought me up

By Enarang (Enarang) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:48 pm: Edit

collegewannabe just out of curiosity how are you planning to fit all your e.c's as there are only 8 boxes on the common app with limited amount of space for the amount of text?

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:48 pm: Edit

Again, college, you dodged my point. You have no safeties. Okay, sorry I didn't make a perfect list because I added CMU. Fine, take it off and see how you have no safties.

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 10:54 pm: Edit

For example, according to Princeton Review, the avg SAT for UPenn is 1409. I have a 1400, does this mean that I consider it a Target? Absolutely not, I don't even consider it a reach because my chances there are absolutely terrible.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 12:07 am: Edit

so how do you plan to fit all your e.c's given the limited amount of space?

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 12:15 am: Edit

actually my new list but no need for reactions or comments as the first choice still reigns supreme


In Boston area:

Babson College
Boston University
Bentley College

In Philadelphia area:

Villanova
Franklin & Marshall
Lehigh

In D.C./Maryland Area

George Washington
American
University of Maryland @ College Park


Schools as last resorts (incase needed) for the heck of it.

Michigan Ann Arbor
Emory
Wisconsin (hmmm.... I think not)
University of Connecticut


now this is the best list for me. Notice most of the old schools still are here.

By Scubasteve (Scubasteve) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:04 am: Edit

Cut College some slack, he did not even create this thread, he only responded to it after being called out.

Enarang, you seem like a decent kid but its enough already. You ostracize College for being obsessive but just take a look at this thread. 15 of the last 20 posts have been you criticizing College. Don't attack his integrity when you perpetrated a fake SAT score in creating this thread (and you know I can prove it, Mr. I somehow took the Sat II writing while miraculously raising my SAT I 200 points all on the June date). If you want to reflect the candidness that you talk then let's start by telling these people you really only have an 1100 something SAT score.


...(College you're welcome)...

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 08:24 am: Edit

You can claim whatever, think whatever and believe whatever. I only need to believe that I have a 1350. If you don't believe it don't. I could care less. Once again your some scuba loving guy with a name of Steven who attends Lehigh University. You are some guy on the internet. You can prove whatever but I know I have a 1350. SCuba think for a second would I really make up my SAT score by such a huge margin that it would make rating my chances completely off. Would I actually waste my time and post to get false information.

You see man to me your beliefs and what you can prove is completely useless and I could honestly care less. I'm not saying I miraculously jumped to 1500. That would be ridiculous and I know I won't be able to do it. A 1350 is what I have and for me to fake my SAT score by 200 points would be not only a waste of my time but yours as well. You would be replying to false information and I would be getting wrong information. I don't use this site to get false information.

Once again what you prove means nothing to me. Again to me you are Steve. A guy who will be attending Lehigh University. Other then that to me your just any other person in this world. You are not dumb by any means but you aren't the brightest guy in the world either. Neither am I for that matter. So you can say what you want but I know I recieved a 1350 on my SAT.

I was asking College how he plans to fit all the activities on the Common App as there are only 8 spaces with limited amount of text that can be entered.

I already know where I'm probably going to end up anyway. I've created a perfect list for myself and have done lots of thinking. I'm definetely satisfied with my list and for you to challenge my numbers is honestly a waste of your time as I couldn't care because the only person that needs to believe that what I got is what I got is me. The best thing is I do and you can do whatever but the only person that I need to prove my SAT score to is me.

Sorry but we adressed this already lets move on. If he doesn't respond about the amount of space doesn't matter.

Scubasteve truce man no calling eachother out. How about that we move on with our lives and forget about this. YOu be happy and go to Lehigh. I've found my college list and I'm moving on with my life. Sounds good to me

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 11:22 am: Edit

Collegwannabe do you need any other help with schools or parts of your application? I'd be willing to help you out perhaps organize some stuff so it doesn't look atrocious.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 12:01 pm: Edit

Again, college, you dodged my point. You have no safeties. Okay, sorry I didn't make a perfect list because I added CMU. Fine, take it off and see how you have no safties.

ej powers when is say rutgers i also have rutgers newark and camdem which are extremely easy to get into.


enarang the perfect college list is one with reaches matches and safeties.

You lack the reaches.
the reason why u lack them is because u truly know u dont have a 1350 and ur making a list like you really should with your 1120


scuba you are the man

and enrarang scuba steve is from big daddy

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 12:36 pm: Edit

umm... Michigan is a very good school kid. Emory as well. If they were in the northeast I would be applying in a heart beat. Their location is the reason why I don't want to venture out to them. I don't like the cold so Michigan is not the first place I think of. Emory is nice but the sense of community is not there and I can get a great education here. Again give my situation I don't need to take risks currently. I don't think you realize what all I would have to decide upon later in my life.

Look my list has Michigan its a top 25 overall and #2 ranked business school

Emory is ranked 18th overall and # 14 for business

University of Wisconsin although I would absolutely never go there due to its location again is just outside the top 25 overall and the business school is ranked 10th

Boston University another well regarded place. 39th for business


George Washington overall just at the 50th mark and business is I think 46th

Lehigh is ranked overall at 37. They have a business school although not ranked it is pretty decent

University of Maryland ranked at 53rd overall and 17th for business

Babson is unranked under doctoral due to its business specialty. It has been the number one ranked business specialty school for I think 8 years. Ranked # 1 for entrepreneurship and # 32 overall for business.


Those are almost all top 50 institutions with two Top 25's and many schools such as Lehigh or Wisconsin that may someday reach that level. They have business rankings from #2 to unranked and many in between.

That is a good list.


can I offer you assistance in any other area? Perhaps that organization on commonapp where you have to list them in order of importance and since they only have 8 boxes you'll have to pick the 8 most singificant activities.

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 12:47 pm: Edit

haha, and tieing turbans is not a top 8 ec

By Scubasteve (Scubasteve) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:06 pm: Edit

"You can claim whatever, think whatever and believe whatever. I only need to believe that I have a 1350. If you don't believe it don't. I could care less."

That is interesting.. would you mind sharing with us what month (testing date) you recieved this "1350"
...see its quite funny, you go on a bogus 3 paragraph, politician rant defending it when the defense was so weak that even the sharks from the ocean smell bs. I see right through you.

So I just have one question (i'll put it in caps so you don't forget it): WHAT MONTH (testing date) DID YOU RECEIVE THIS "1350"? Very simple, question I only need a one word answer. (Carefull, any answer you give I will prove to be BS by bringing back your past posts--or you can just admit you lied and apologize to College for being the biggest self proclaimed hypocrit on these fourms)


To everyone else, I apologize for causing more drama but the College bashing crossed the line when you people began making fun of his religion, ethnicity, calling him a complete failure, etc.

By Ejpowers87 (Ejpowers87) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:08 pm: Edit

i dont remember anyone making fun of his religion. BTW, my post about tieing turbans is not racist or anything like that. its just that helping kids tie turbans is like helping kids tie shoes. both are difficult to learn but easy after you have mastered it. just because it is unusual doesn't mean that it helps.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:10 pm: Edit

hahaha my list has some good achievments. College I'd be more then willing to help you choose your top 8 as only 8 e.c's are allowed.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:27 pm: Edit

hey Scuba yeah we never did make fun of his religion. Well I didn't but that was Duke who did. The moderators already warned him abou that so I doubt he'll be doing it again. Scuba I think Ejpowers was right unique E.C's don't really matter. I'm sure you know this since you've gone through it. It's what have you done with these unique extracurriculars that counts. For example my stock simulation thing is unique. But I have achieved an overall rank of 26th nationally and #1 in my state and the game has thousands of participants. I don't thing he gets the fact that its the "What have you done in these E.C's?" not "List every single one possible."

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:28 pm: Edit

Scuba how far is Lehigh from Philadelphia?

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit

Just curious Scuba I'm guessing on your apps you listed as many e.c's as were allowed or less but not more. I say that because resumes should me kept at usually 1-2 pages (if done at all.) I know some places like Stanford don't allow resumes.

By Scubasteve (Scubasteve) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit

about an hour....about an hour and a half-2hours from nyc as well

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:35 pm: Edit

oh cool. Are you allowed to go over the given 8 boxes for the E.C's?

By Scubasteve (Scubasteve) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:40 pm: Edit

little tip: it seems to be much more effective if you disregard those boxes all togther. My school makes you create an activity sheet on your own (just basically list everything that is important and give a brief description of it if it is not obvious)...if you apply to u of maryland that actually require you to do that, however they take it a step further and make you briefly describe why the activity is important to you...

so i suggest if you are applying to maryland, do their app first (forces you to create your activity sheet) then just edit out an abriged version for the rest of your schools (they don't need to know why the activity was important to you)

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:57 pm: Edit

thanks but commonapp asks for you to pick the one activity that has the most importance to you and why. So I'll just take the most important one from the Maryland app and just take that and put it on the common app.

Thanks alot Scuba that was definetely a helpful tip. However, I think the 8 boxes will be sufficient for me as that does sum up a majority of the activities that I've been involved in where I've accomplished or done something noteworthy.

Thanks again!

By Scubasteve (Scubasteve) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:04 pm: Edit

np, i was scared to use the common. No one has ever gave a definite answer if it hurts your chances. Granted if it does it would be very miniscule, however ever little bit helps. Ultimately I decided that if I was an admission officer, an applicant who took the time to fill out the college's actuall app could apper to be more interested in the school.

I dont know maybe Im a bit crazy but to me, filling out the school's app makes it seem more personalized

(the common is not as convient as you may think anyway, most of the schools on your list will require a ton of supplments in addition to the common)

While we are on the topic of applications, I will give a little forewarning. The Maryland app, to much suprise, is incredibly in depth and takes A LOT of time to complete (maryland, as most state schools do, have somewhat of an EA policy. There is an early date you can apply by and it actually helps your chances greatly--its not binding whatsoever so dont worry, so i suggest you do it).

Also George Washington requires two 500 word essays (usually only ivy caliber schools require two+ big essays). One of the essay topics sucks by the way, it basically asks you to describe what kind of contacts you have had with GW and how the school is a fit for you based on these contacts, visits, etc.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:07 pm: Edit

on the common app there is a sectin for addiional info

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:09 pm: Edit

cant u just put ur extra ecs there?

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:14 pm: Edit

that is definetely a good point. However, in all honesty think about these huge schools like Maryland and Michigan. Their number of apps go into the thousands upon thousands. I would think that for schools even a bit smaller with like 5,000-10,000 students the common app wouldn't be looked at any differently then it was on paper. I think perhaps at the bigger schools the colleges don't keep track who sent in what type of app because I would be so sick of reading 20,000 applications. Although it does say the discriminatory nonsense like it will be treated and looked upon the same way as the normal paper application your point seems to be valid.

I don't think I have the time or effort in me to fill out possibly 11 applications all by hand.

So I'll be using commonapp and will create an activity sheet if I feel that I have left out some E.C. that should be considered (or obviously if schools require it I'll make one) and just send that out along with my application. For now I think the 8 boxes sums up all the activities that are worth considering where I have accomplished something noteworthy.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:17 pm: Edit

wait

cant u put ur ecs thatwere left out in the additional info section?

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:17 pm: Edit

I don't think so. I think that space is for something unusual that wasn't noted in your app. Not an E.C. but say you broke your arm and couldn't write and therefore got a bad grade or something like that. Obviously you would need the doctor's note or whatever else is probably requied but I think that space is not for extra activities.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:19 pm: Edit

but it says

"ADDITIONAL INFORMATION / EXPLANATION
If you have any additional information that was not specifically requested or did not fit in the space provided, feel free to include it here.

"

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit

Oh yeah Collegwannabe watch out. Be careful you don't write some absurd amount that clearly isn't physically possible. Like the time in your activities is greater then the amount of hours in a week.

Well you may just do that but colleges will sense the ridiculousness immediately.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:22 pm: Edit

i know bt im just asking if u can put it there?????

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:23 pm: Edit

how much do you exactly plan on putting in that space. If it is one minor thing forget it. Remember what they want is the 8 MOST important activities and then if you have perhaps one or two more additional activities you would put those on an attached paper and note that on your application.

By Collegewannabe (Collegewannabe) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:24 pm: Edit

so then why are u making an activity sheet

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:39 pm: Edit

because some schools require it. So therefore you have to. I'd say this is your best bet. Take your 8 most important activities and list them in the space that is given to you. Don't write some ridiculous hours and length of time that is physically impossible or pretty close to that. I suggest only writing additionall information if it had to be noted and you simply did not have enough room.

I suggest this is what you do. In the 8 boxes given to you put the following activities: the Debate team, mock trial, model U.N., the temple group you started, your tutoring of 4th graders, the cooking at the temple, the winter track (you did that for more then one year). That is all

The reason why you shouldn't put your other sports is because even though you did do them the lack of continuity and since you didn't continue them could hurt your application. Seems you gave up or something. I suggest not putting the rest of them down.

This will give you the clubs and activities that are actually meaningful and the sport you actually did for more then one year.

This is according to the stats you posted directly. So I would say that is the way you should organize your activities. It will show some dedication and not a bunch of clubs where you didn't do anything in.

In the awards or whatever that is where you would put your so called awards.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:43 pm: Edit

your two jobs will go in the jobs section not in the activities section. Oh yeah don't lie on this or even think about that because they do call your employer in some cases.

So that takes care of your application.

Your 7 main activities go in the activities section

your so called "awards" go in the awards section

your two jobs go into the jobs/employment section.

Therefore I don't think you would need extra space

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 03:27 pm: Edit

there you go Collegewannabe your application is settled as is your list of schools. Congratulations you are now done with everyone here.

By Enarang (Enarang) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 05:45 pm: Edit

Happy? Now you can officially move on to something besides the college admissions process.