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I've seen the US News reports. I wanna hear some international opinions. If you are an international student, then tell me. Of the eight ivies (Princeton, Yale, UPenn, Harvard, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia) plus MIT and Stanford, what would you say is the order of best-known to least-known in your country? Also, which country are you from?

By veena on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 10:29 am: Edit

Harvard
Mit

Stanford / Wharton (not many ppl kno that upenn=wharton)

Yale
Princeton

other than that im not sure but thatz the top of em.......

By Aditya on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 11:57 am: Edit

Well the city that I live in:

MIT
Harvard/Stanford
Yale
Dartmouth
Princeton
Upenn/Cornell
Brown and Columbia are not even known!

By MisanthropI Lover on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

First Tier:
Harvard/Yale/MIT/Princeton/Stanford

Second Tier:
Penn/Columbia/Cornell

TTT:
Dartmouth,Brown

By i agree on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 01:44 pm: Edit

I agree w/ Misanthrop. However, most people internationally do not recognize Columbia. I live in the US and never really knew it was any good till tenth grade. So, i agree with your first tier, second tier, i'd put Penn/Cornell/Columbia, and Brown/Dartmouth are unheard of!

By Weidamengxing (Weidamengxing) on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 02:14 pm: Edit

i've never heard of Cornell, Dart,Brown,Penn before I came to the U.S. as a high school student.

By Weidamengxing (Weidamengxing) on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 02:14 pm: Edit

where did my sunyanzi post go??????

By MisanthropI Lover on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 02:35 pm: Edit

not bad. and,ironically, I found that Penn was more respected here than in the States. Not many people here would mistake it for a state school.

By lol on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 02:37 pm: Edit

First Tier:
Harvard - i'm not saying its the best academically in all subjects, but its widely PERCEIVED as head and shoulders above everyone else. they stand ALONE at the top.

Second Tier:
Yale, MIT, Stanford, Princeton - great schools that may or may not be better than Harvard but internationally, they don't get the same level of fawning respect that Harvard garners.

Third Tier:
Cornell, Penn - large alumni base with excellent individual departments (hotel school, ag school, wharton, etc)

Fourth Tier:
Columbia - great school but simply not as well known as Cornell and Penn. whether this is deserved of not is not the issue...we're simply talking about name recognition. due to its smaller alumni base than Cornell and Penn, less people know of it. in fact, most people think Columbia is a school in the country Columbia, South America.

THATS IT. Most people mistakenly think that the above are the 8 Ivies! Yep, thats right, most people overseas think Stanford and MIT are Ivies.

mention Brown and Dartmouth and people will think that you couldnt make a "prestigious" school. whats brown and dartmouth?

By MisanthropI Lover on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 02:42 pm: Edit

Addendum: People recognize Penn more often than Wharton. VERY FEW people in my school know about Wharton...But when I said it was the business school of Penn, they would say, oh..Penn...great.

By lololololololol on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 07:20 pm: Edit

in my country,,,

well-known:
Harvard
mit
yale
stanford

not well-known:
cornell
columbia

NOT EVEN known:
dartmouth, emory, brown, cornell..... etc.

By logic on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 08:31 pm: Edit

In my country the most famous schools are Harvard and MIT.

UPenn, Brown = TTT

By yo on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 08:35 pm: Edit

lololololol, you said Cornell is not well-known and NOT EVEN known, make up yo mind man.

By nobody on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 09:19 pm: Edit

No, there's nothing such as internationally known ivies. what are u thinking about? nobody knows ivies from abroad.

By Carrro (Carrro) on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 11:47 am: Edit

1. Harvard, definetly the most known.
2. Yale, I think most people would know too.
3. Princeton, Stanford & MIT, some people might recognise once they hear it.
4. Cornell, mabe some would recognise.
5. UPenn, Dartmouth, Brown & Columbia, hardly known at all.

I'm from Sweden

By cloudnine on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 12:47 pm: Edit

1. Harvard

I live in the U.S. However, I am Indian and visit India every year for 3 months. When I was talking to various people, I said something about my friend's acceptance into MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Brown,.....and Harvard. As soon as I said Harvard, everyone perked up. That is, by far, the most well known.

By Gabypa (Gabypa) on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 12:58 pm: Edit

yope, i totally agree.... in peru... this is the responses youll get
(from the most well rounded ppl, i would say...most of the population, lamentably, i have to admit, barely will have heard about harvard only, if ever...)
1. HARVARD --- "wooooooooooooow, you're a genius"
2. YALE STANFORD MIT --- "oh, wait..i once hear about those...mmmm...yeah, congrats, i guess"
3. PRINCETON -- "oh, wasnt that guy in the fresh prince of bel air from princeont..i guess so...it must be a historically black college or....
4. CORNELL --maybe"
5. DARTMOUTH COLUMBIA PENN BROWN --- "hahahaha, you suck...what's brown? brown the color! marrón...hahahahahha"

yeah, this is true....

and im now living in brazil...so i can say that these both countries share the same opinions

By HEY on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 01:04 pm: Edit

Gabypa I'd like to see you get into Brown, Columbia, Cornell Dartmouth or Penn, and most people don't really care if people in Peru have heard of their university or not. It's not like Peru is a dominating force in the world.

By Kaysouljah (Kaysouljah) on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 03:38 pm: Edit

I am a Nigerian guy
I guess i will presumptously represent for all africans
In order of recgonition :
Harvard
Yale
Mit
Princeton
The remaining ivies are losers

By duck on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 03:39 pm: Edit

what abt DUKE

By Fire Fighter on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 03:54 pm: Edit

Where I live Harvard is the top dog. If you are going to the US to study everyone presumes you are going to Harvard!
Then I would say Yale because of President Bush. Next, in order: 3. Princeton 4. Columbia and 5. UPenn and although not an Ivy I think Stanford is familiar to people as well.
As for all the rest I think very few people even know they exist especially Dartmouth and Brown. In fact, I was watching Providence with friends and I said, "Hey, that's where Brown University is!" and they were like "what's Brown University?" lol!

By Gabypa (Gabypa) on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 04:16 pm: Edit

duke? they would say....duke?duke?duque? hahahahahahahah whats that...you suck even more...
really...sad but true

By IVY MAN on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 11:34 pm: Edit

bump

By ionstan on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 01:54 am: Edit

HARVARD is internationally recognized

And then in Europe, MIT, Yale, and Princeton
And in Asia, MIT, Stanford

AND more people should post the country they're from...

By ionstan on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 01:56 am: Edit

Duke is a good school, I wish I had applied

By strongwill on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 02:11 am: Edit

Well, Harvard is recognized everywhere. Even in UZBEKISTAN. (has anybody ever heard about my country?) No MIT, no Yale, no Columbia, no Princeton, nothing...Absolute ignorance about these great schools. I personally think that edu in some of them is now better than in Harvard. I have a friend who will go to Yale, so when he tells people he got into US Uni (nobody knows what is Ivy), people ask - Harvard??? If it's anything other than Harvard, you are a loser

By Gabypa (Gabypa) on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 01:35 pm: Edit

hahaha i know....that's exactly what happens here. dude, how could harvard ever build such a name? EVERYONE VENERATES HARVARD its amazing...

By aa on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:44 pm: Edit

i am also peruvian...where you in fdr gabypa

By Gabypa (Gabypa) on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 02:54 pm: Edit

hello aa!!! Finally a peruvian!!! whoohoo!! actually, im not at FDR, im living in brasilia right now. wait up, i guess i can talk in spanish with you. anyway, tú estás en el roosevelt? conocí a algunos patas del roosevelt en el torneo de debate que hubo en noviembre en buenos aires. gente chévere pero una chibolita me llegó a odiar, creo. hehe, ahh, pobre de mí, no fue mi intención. carajo, me gustaría competir por el perú, no por esta mierda de brasil, pero qué se le hace. oí que el presidente del club de debate allá entró a harvard no? wow. sabes sus stats? oye, cuál es tu e-mail? el mío es gabypa@brturbo.com.br. estoy ahorita en brasil pq mi viejo recibió un trabajo acá y nos mudamos en el 2000. antes estaba en el humboldt, el colegio alemán. recién aprendí inglés cuando llegué al colegio americano acá .. me fue tranca comenzar a saber sobre todo este proceso, porque francamente mi cole es una mierda, pero bueno. y que tal tú allá? en qué año estás? estas applying a algún lugar? como está la competencia? a ver si me escribes y hablamos un poco de esto, hehe. cuídate y chau.

By aa on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 03:35 pm: Edit

yo soy un joven 8th grader...
oye si el pata de debate si entro a harvard se llama fernando rodrigo
este año otro pata entro se llama tae ho pero el no estaba en debate
oye chequea esta pagina... www.schoolsdebate.com
mi correo es splash_mountain@hotmail.com
tu en q año estas?
nuestro cole esta mejorando
un año antes de q fernando rodrigo entre a harvard otro pata entro a princeton...pero mejorando yo espero entrar a harvard o a mit de grande bueno escribe