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Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
UPENN
Cornell
Dartmouth
Brown

What do you guys think?
I think Cornell is about in the middle... Not the very top ivy... But not the lower ivy either... And, I do think Cornell is on par with UPENN. I could be very biased since Cornell is my first choice. What do you guys think?

By not bad on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 01:53 am: Edit

i think you're list is fine..
darthmouth last tho..Yale 2nd.

By sssas on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 02:39 am: Edit

Brown is above Cornell and Dartmouth

By lol on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 03:17 am: Edit

lol...thats funny. brown stinks and should be kicked out of the ivy league. so should dartmouth. kick them doormat ivies out and bring in more deserving members! my new ivy league:

1) havard
2) yale
3) princeton
4) MIT
5) columbia
6) cornell
7) duke
8) penn

By maybe on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 03:43 am: Edit

I don't think Duke is that hot....

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 06:30 am: Edit

There is onething I don't understand...
I believe Cornell is better than Brown and Dartmouth... But, why is it the easiest to get into Cornell? How in world did Cornell become the "easiest ivy to get into?"

By lol on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 07:53 am: Edit

cru,

sheer size and variance account for the admissions "easiness" as compared to other ivies.. cornell enrolls more than 3000 freshman...nearly double that of harvard and yale, and nearly triple that of dartmouth.

also, location has somewhat something to do with it. cornell can expand and owns acres upon acres as a land-grant institution. thus, they can effectively accomodate a large undergraduate student body without cramping. columbia, for example, cannot do the same...i just dont see columbia being able to buy parts of surrounding real estate to expand. what are they gonna do? buy central park to build a golf course or horse stable? btw, cornell owns their own golf course and equestrian center.

By cornell man on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 06:34 pm: Edit

Acceptance rate isn't everything. Cornell's education quality beats out the majority of the ivies.

By anotherlist on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 06:44 pm: Edit

Here's my list:

Yale
Harvard
Princeton
Columbia
UPENN
Cornell
Brown
Dartmouth

I like Cornell--or at least what I've heard about it. I regret not applying there.

By oooooooo on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 06:54 pm: Edit

Any one who thinks Cornell is a middle ivy is a complete moron. We all know it's bringing up the rear so lets not kid ourselves.

By Ivy on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 07:37 pm: Edit

Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Columbia
Penn
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell

By yetanotherlist on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:09 pm: Edit

Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
Cornell
UPENN
Dartmouth
Brown

By faf on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:15 pm: Edit

I think that CAl Tech and Stanford should become IVY schools. I mean, Stanford is as competitive as Harvard. Also, Cal Tech has the highest SAT average SAT scores. I think that those 2 should be on the IVY list of colleges.

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:16 pm: Edit

No.. Cornell is not at the bottom of the ivy...
Many of you may think that Cornell sucks because it has the lowest average SAT scoers and stuff...
But, our next generation will surely know that Cornell is far better than Darthmouth and Cornell

By sid mathur on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:32 pm: Edit

I dont think Dartmouth should get kicked out of the ivies because it has the reputation of being the ivy with the high quality of life.

Dartmouth has the best food out of all of them, best dorms, and most happy students. It also is not easy to get into. Dartmouth's acceptance rate is 22%, compared to University of Pennsylvania's 23% and Cornell's 29%.

Dont get me wrong, i'm not saying Dartmouth is the best ivy and has the best education, but all i'm saying is don't patronize it by saying it doesn't deserve to be in the ivies.

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:36 pm: Edit

HahaHa...
"sid mathur" I wouldn't argue with you for anything except for one. Dartmouth has the best food? Cornell definately has the best food.

By sid mathur on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:43 pm: Edit

really? well, i'm going by what my friends that went to dartmouth told me. It also got an A+ at www.collegeprowler.com, while Cornell got an A. Although, I have heard Cornell has really good food too. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

By aaa on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:47 pm: Edit

ivy league is a sportss conference, not an academic ranking. when it was created, there were no college rankings... almost all colleges were pretty much the same. And if you were to remake it, brown and dartmouth should be kicked out, and stanford and duke let in.

By cornellian on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:11 pm: Edit

Sid mathur, cornell's acceptance rate is 24%, not 29%. And that was last year. It has been drastically going down over the past few years.

By Cmns (Cmns) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:11 pm: Edit

I really don't think any of them should be kicked out of the Ivy League, especially not Dartmouth. They're all among the oldest, most selective, and most respected institutions in U.S. ( even Brown regardless of what you say)
As for Stanford, Duke, Cal Tech, and MIT they're all great too. They just missed out when the Ivy League was created.

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:15 pm: Edit

I've never considered Duke seriously until I saw the school's rank at U.S. News. I think it was ranked fourth with MIT, and Caltech and stuff... Jeese. I always thought Cornell was way above Duke. And, then I saw the SAT scores of Duke and stuff... Jeese... Pretty damn high... What is duke known for anyway? By the way, I don't like the name Duke(just my opinion)

By Cmns (Cmns) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit

I don't like the name either.
I think Dukes all around good. I don't really know what it is famous for. My dad went their for his Ph.d and liked it a lot though.

By 21st Century Digital Boy on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:19 pm: Edit

My favorite Ivy still remains the Big H overall but I also like Columbia.

By sid mathur on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

Duke is known more for the science fields. Duke also has one of the best med schools. I've taken a class at duke and it is a really nice place with a nice environment.

Duke is a great school with a great basketball team!

By Jim Reynolds on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:33 pm: Edit

Duke is a good school but the idea of going to school in the south doesn't appeal to me.

By your local mayor on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:37 pm: Edit

the weather is much warmer than the northeast and North Carolina is beautiful.

By the King Bee on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:38 pm: Edit

have any of you guys actually been to Durham, NC. It`s hella nice and the weather is great. Also, Brown is not a "doormat" ivy. It`s a really good school, comparable to UPENN, Dartmouth, Duke and Cornell. None of you dudes are goin to get into any ivies, so chill yo.

By the King Bee on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:44 pm: Edit

It`s like making a fuss over which is better a bentley or a rolls royce, prolly none of you dudes are goin to have to make that decision, this post is almost completely hypothecal.

By sid mathur on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:54 pm: Edit

Many people have a predjudiced view on Duke because it is in the South.

Although it is in the south, the people are very nice and friendly and there is a lot of racial interaction considering it's a southern school. Also, I've lived in North Carolina for 15 years and North Carolina has beautiful weather. I wasn't saying Durham was a bad city because of weather. I said that because Durham is known to have a lot of Crime and there isn't much to do in the city (although chapel hill is like 15 minutes away).

Duke is definitely one of the best, if not best, schools in the south. It also has a lot of diversity considering it's a southern school. Basically what i'm trying to say is, dont underestimate Duke just because it's in the South.

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 10:14 pm: Edit

I don't underestimate Duke...(although I used to)
Anyway, I think Rice is better than Duke..

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 10:14 pm: Edit

I don't underestimate Duke...(although I used to)
Anyway, I think Rice is better than Duke..

By Elizabeth Michaels on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 10:29 pm: Edit

HELLO! Although UPenn may not be seen as prestigious as Harvard or Yale, it has a much lower acceptance rate AND more ppl that apply. It is definatly deserving of a high spot on the list.

By Elizabeth Michaels on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 10:34 pm: Edit

I guess I should wait before I speak~ I just looked it up online and more people do apply to Penn, but Harvard has the lowest acceptance rate... so much for trusting my friends!

By sid mathur on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 10:48 pm: Edit

lol

By Jim Reynolds on Monday, January 13, 2003 - 10:54 pm: Edit

Surprisingly, Columbia has a lower acceptance rate than Yale.

By lol on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 02:57 am: Edit

ummmm...hello!!!!! acceptance rate means very little without context!

brighman young-hawaii 10%
college of the ozarks 15%
mississippi valley state 16%

these 3 schools would be better than most ivies! but are they even remote as good? no. so dont go by acceptance rates alone (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/webex/lowacc_brief.php)!

if you readjust for size (the larger the school, obviously the easier to get in because more space is available...but knowing this, more students apply...a self-rectifying equilibrium), strength of applicant pool and RELEVANT majors (meaning excluding obscure majors with skewed acceptance policies...like eschatology), you get a whole different picture.

the rankings then become:

1) harvard
2) princeton
3) yale
-
4) columbia
5) cornell
6) upenn
-
7) brown
8) dartmouth

there is very little difference between 1,2 and 3. after that, there is a small gap...then 4,5 and 6. there is a HUGE gap after 6.

look at ACADEMIC REPUTATIONS put forth by the DEANS of the various schools and you will see that the above list mirrors exactly how they perceive each college.

Tier 1: Harvard, Yale, Princeton
Tier 2: Columbia, Cornell, UPenn
Tier 3: Brown
Tier 4: Dartmouth

others in tier 1 outside the ivy league are MIT and Stanford. tier 2 equivalents are caltech, chicago, berkeley, duke. tier 3 has schools like northwestern, jhu and rice. tier 4 schools are schools like emory, georgetown and wustl.

By buway on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 03:05 pm: Edit

georgetown is better than most of the ivies for undergrad education. You can not compare cornell to brown and dartmouth. They offer differnt things. Cornell's graduate program is far superior thus making their reputation as a university where as brown and dartmouth are more college/undergrad focused. The same is true of georgetown and to a lesser degree duke

By dogboy on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 03:44 pm: Edit

dont get me started on the school known as Georgetown.

By dogboy on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 03:54 pm: Edit

But without going into great detail on the sh##tness and obsurdity of georgetown, lettme tell you that twenty years ago, Georgetown was not prestigious nor was it great academically. It was a school known for being pretty crappy, anybody could get in as long as they had a high school diploma and the money to pay for tuition. But then Patrick Ewing`s Hoya teams of the eighties popularized the school, Clinton then made his alamater famous. Thus, it became a more appealing school(trendy). Now, Georgetown competes with the IVY League schools for students and only accepts the "very best". they currently see themselves as elite. They want to be like Harvard.

By List on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 04:19 pm: Edit

Georgetown is not a very well known internationally and education-wise it's good, but not great. As for the ivies, Darthmouth is not amazing or anything in its undergraduate or graduate programs. Brown also is not ranked in the top five or ten for any graduate study. In addition, it is the lowest ranking ivy (20) according to US News (which is somewhat factual). In the sciences, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Columbia, and Penn are well-reputed. But, Brown is not well known for any sciences and Darthmout isn't great either. Even in the liberal arts, Brown does not standout. Darthmout overall is unheard of. My order:

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Cornell, Columbia
Brown
Darthmouth

By Cmns (Cmns) on Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 06:04 pm: Edit

I disagree with your order. The information you base you ranking on seems bogus and you are only using your personal opinions to influence your decision.
My ranking:
Harvard
Princeton/Yale
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornel/U Penn
Brown

By hahaha on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 06:55 am: Edit

hahah! i disagree. ANYONE who doesnt put brown and dartmouth at the bottom is in DENIAL. perhaps they've applied to those schools or are attending or are somehow connected (legacy, recruited, etc). lol! ha! dont to try to defend the doormats to make yourselves feel better! tell the truth!

harvard
yale/princeton
columbia/cornell
penn
brown
dartmouth

By Un-named007 on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 09:10 am: Edit

You folks must not have enough to do! You're discussing ranking of the most elite schools in the world. You can't remove the subjectivity from such an analysis. Let's face it - each one of you has an axe to grind of some sort. I'm going to be in the class of 007 in ONE OF THE IVIES and I AM THRILLED to be attending a school with a fabulous academic atmosphere. Frankly, except for the rural nature of a few of the schools mentioned which doesn't appeal to me - I'd be happy to attend any one of this list (including Georgetown, Rice, Duke, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, Chicago, NW and WashU) Let's all get real here. We sound like a bunch of elitiest snobs on this board when we discuss "which Ivy is better". I'm all for school spirit, but let's stop sounding so immature.

By EEE on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 03:14 pm: Edit

"haha" I think you are the one who is in denial. Dartmouth is consistently ranked higher than Cornell, and Brown.

By jeez on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 04:54 pm: Edit

hey "EEE," ask students from Asia and Europe and find out if they've heard of Darthmouth, which is in the middle of NH (nowhere). Darthmouth is not consistently ranked higher than Cornell and Brown. Brown is the lowest ranked ivy and is not good at Medicine (ranked in the 40's), Engineering, or liberal arts. It's not top 5 in anything. Darthmouth is also in the 40's for graduate studies. In terms of undergraduate, Darthmouth isn't special and not really unique. Harvard obviously is the best school with Yale and Princeton tagging closely behind. Cornell is a top 5 engineering school and top ten medicine school, penn is a top 5 med school and top 10 undergrad school and columbia teachers college is top 5. Every ivy league school but Brown and Darthmouth are excellent.

By mit_hopeful on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 05:27 pm: Edit

why does everyone want to slam on brown? their med program is REALLY hard to get into. although, i think mit/harvard are the best schools for technology/liberal arts education (respectively).

By WHAT? on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 06:12 pm: Edit

Why are you slamming Dartmouth? No one is saying it's the greatest but it certainly is not at the bottom. In regards to undergrad it is quite selective, with lower percent acceptances than both Cornell and U Penn and high 50% SAT scores that Brown Cornell and U Penn. Also,I know lots of Asians and Europeans who have heard of it. Don't get me wrong I don't really like Dartmouth, but it's way better than you "jeez" give it credit for.

By Cru (Cru) on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 10:28 pm: Edit

haha...
Hey "What?"
Didn't we already discuss that acceptance rate and SAT scores shouldn't be used to judge?

By they way, Cornell also has a really good business program(Harvard and UPENN are the best though)

By D on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 11:27 pm: Edit

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc_brief.php

By mike on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 11:46 pm: Edit

It's hard to believe that someone has compared Rice to Duke. Secondly, I am from the South, and you have no idea what you are talking about if you think it is a negative. If you look at any of the population trending maps, you'll see that people are flocking to the South for the good food, the hospitality, and the beautiful weather. I got deferred from Duke early decision. It is number four on the rankings. Also, right now Princeton is technically better than Harvard. Last, anyone who suggests that certain schools should be "kicked out" of the Ivy League is just ignorant and does not understand the concept of a conference. Email me if you were one of the people who I am railing on right now, so I can keep proving you wrong. goldnver91@aol.com

By Icex1 (Icex1) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 03:09 am: Edit

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
UPenn
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown

Stanford beats them all!

By tim on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 02:16 pm: Edit

1. Princeton University
2. Harvard University (MA)
3. Yale University (CT)
4. University of Pennsylvania
5. Dartmouth College
6. Columbia University
7. Cornell
8. Brown

Those are the USNews ranking

By asdf on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 02:22 pm: Edit

tim,

go back to the USNews rankings and look at ACADEMICS.

the ranking you posted are affected by alumni giving, class size, money, faculty resources, etc. who cares about these things?

we're students hoping to get in to get a good education! look at ACADEMICS.

1) harvard, yale, princeton
2) columbia
3) cornell
4) penn
5) brown
6) dartmouth

By tim on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 03:44 pm: Edit

how do they calculate the academic rating? wha what makes Dartmouth low all the time??? seriously!

By Kk02 (Kk02) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 03:47 pm: Edit

I'm an ivy fanatic but this discussion is pretty insane. How many of us are going to be choosers?

By Cornellrules07 (Cornellrules07) on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 10:07 pm: Edit

All I know is that Cornell rocks and it doesn't get credit because it is not located in a big city. I do think that Yale, Princeton, and Harvard are ahead of Cornell, but after that, DartMOUTH should be at the bottom, with Brown second to last. Other than that, Cornell, Penn, and Columbia are all tied. And, I am going to Cornell next year so I should be involved with this discussion.

By Cru (Cru) on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 10:20 pm: Edit

I can't believe you brought up this old discussion...
How on earth did you find this anyway?