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I am an international student with SAT-1 of just 1290 and SAT_ii(Phy:670, Maths2c:630 and Writing 690)....
i'm from Nepal.

Will i even get admitted anywhere with those horrible scores...???

My academic standing is very good though.

what schools can i get into with such pathetic scores?


I am retaking SAT-i and SAT-ii both and hoping to cross 1400 in sat 1 and score 780s in SAT2..hehe

By Merugo (Merugo) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 12:02 am: Edit

hmm...
the international angle will work to your advantages, and it also depends on other factors but...

i think you'll be find at most schools you apply to, but retaking them is probably the best plan.

By The_Slc_Bug (The_Slc_Bug) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 12:13 am: Edit

They're not that bad, jesus. They are good scores, just not for the top 15 schools. I guess that's all you care about, though, huh?

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:04 am: Edit

hey slc_bug..........ya they are dismal scores for the TOP 15 national universities...but are they GOOD enough for TOP 15 Liberal Arts colleges?
like Carleton,oberlin,vassar,bates,bowdoin,davidson,lafayette,etc those types?????

By T2opine (T2opine) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:42 am: Edit

Ok, see, this is what gets annoying...don't you think you're overreacting just a little bit when you say your 1290 is a "horrible" score, and you want to know if you can get in "anywhere?" Your scores are NOT BAD!!! Your scores are AT LEAST at the average for MOST schools, if not above average. Anyway, the average national SAT1 score is a 10 something, so you're above the national score. That being said, I think they might be a low for the top Liberal Arts colleges, but aren't the LAC's averages in like, the 1300's or something like that? Anyway, you can get into A LOT of schools.

By Tlo (Tlo) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 03:12 am: Edit

bowdoin, bates don't even need SATs but you should submit tehm, they are high enough.

By Sid_Mathur (Sid_Mathur) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 11:42 pm: Edit

hey Lonelygal, I go to Nepal every 5 years because thats where my mom's family lives and I was actually born there and lived there for like a week!

Good luck in your college admission to america. A 1290 is not a bad score.

P.S. can u bring me some theetora?? I looooove theetora (lapsi candy)

By Egoloterian (Egoloterian) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:20 am: Edit

Buddha James H. Christ Superman! Stop whining like a little baby. Doesn't anyone realize that it doesn't matter? You'll still go to a decent college, marry, have kids and be happy. Don't go around crying, "oohh, I got a 1290 on the SAT wahh, wahhh, I'm gonna go commit hari kari now." Nerds are just like cheerleaders except they get all angsty when they get bad grades instead of getting dumped.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:34 am: Edit

Thanks egoleteria,...!!!


and sid_marthur.....hehe...i will getya some teetaura if ya want....u like the hot ones or sour ones???? man i love hot teetaura..


PS. for those of u who do not know what is teetaura... come to nepal....

By Ctrain890 (Ctrain890) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 09:11 am: Edit

If you're an international student, you can take TOEFL in place of the SAT II writing. In your case, you seem to speak English very well, so that's probably your best option.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:19 am: Edit

ya Ctrain890...i have taken TOEFL .n scored:277/300. is it enough?

By Kd410 (Kd410) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:36 pm: Edit

a word of advice to everyone...SATs arent everything...i feel sorry for all the people who become paranoid over how high they scored on their sats and are still dissapointed when the get very good scores or even almost perfect scores...relax people its one test...its not the key to your future...y doesnt everyone focus on the more important stuff and just take it easy... ull be less stressed if u do...trust me

By Trescajones (Trescajones) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:25 pm: Edit

Try looking at Macalester College in St. Paul, MN. They love international students. Kofi Annan went there and so they get a lot of attention from NGOs and foreign service opportunities.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:17 pm: Edit

Will i even get admitted anywhere with those horrible scores...???

Since when is a **1290** horrible? I opened this thread thinking you had scored a 740 and had no idea what schools would take you.

Being international can make it harder sometimes, sometimes it will work in your advantage, but seriously, you will get into a lot of schools with a 1290 if everything else is great. Maybe not Harvard or MIT, but still, it's not like your whole entire college career is over because you got a 1290.

I will tell you that I got a 1290, as well, and yes, I am retaking them again in December (we have to take them on the 20th because we're having a pseudo-blizzard here) because I want to try for a better score. Will my life be over if I don't get a 1380 or 1450 or whatever? No. Would it be nice and improve my shot at some of the schools I want to get into? Yes-it'd be wonderful, and it would help, but it doesn't mean it's going to guarantee me admission into those schools.

Keep this in mind.

Where are you looking at, anyway?

By Financelad (Financelad) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:46 pm: Edit

a word of advice to everyone...SATs arent everything...i feel sorry for all the people who become paranoid over how high they scored on their sats and are still dissapointed when the get very good scores or even almost perfect scores...

YESSS!! I LOVE THE WAY kd410 PUT IT . YES good job and I commend your courage <3

By Financelad (Financelad) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:49 pm: Edit

a word of advice to everyone...SATs arent everything...i feel sorry for all the people who become paranoid over how high they scored on their sats and are still dissapointed when the get very good scores or even almost perfect scores...

YESSS!! I LOVE THE WAY kd410 PUT IT . YES good job and I commend your courage <3

By Bres6486 (Bres6486) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:54 pm: Edit

Good Job stressing how bad a 1290 is ... Yes its terrible if you are really smart... but its good to othersss so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you fool

By Labsolute7 (Labsolute7) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:39 pm: Edit

Word of wisdom...a 1290 is not bad to most people, so the correct way to say it is "I got a 1290 and feel like I could have done better" or its low compared to my grades, but calling out a 1290 is bad is such a dumb thing to do.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 02:50 am: Edit

this board has so many guys and gals with stellar scores....at least compartitively 1290 is horrible....well if they brag about 1500s why cant i repent about a 1290?? HUH???

By Musefinity (Musefinity) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 03:04 am: Edit

Holy crap. That type of unnecessary anxiety is what's making our generation paltry and full of nothing.

1290 is not terrible! Be proud. The kids at my school are applying to Standford with 1210-1350 range SATs first of all. And secondly I think the kids on these boards are freaks who will never be satisfied with their SAT scores until they get a 1790. Me inclusive, I'm not happy with mine either for where I'm applying but their not "VERY VERY VERY LOW."

With so many kids doing well on the SATs nowadays I really don't think it's so drop-dead important. If your academics are good and your involvement is good (plus the international thing) then you have great chances at several goodname schools.

Is this a gimmick?

By Foreignboy (Foreignboy) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 05:49 am: Edit

"The kids at my school are applying to Standford with 1210-1350 range"

Unless standford is a different school from stanford, they're not going to get in...

The sad reality is, SATs are that important.. But 1290 is good enough for most schools, don't worry too much.

By Musefinity (Musefinity) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 12:41 pm: Edit

Yah I know they're not going to get in, I didn't say they were. (Small school; not many people with super SATs.) They're only applying because I live in Seattle and everybody from the west coast applies there. But if 1210s are applying to Standford I think somebody with a 1290 should be at least a *little* confident that he/she will get in "anywhere."

By Labsolute7 (Labsolute7) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 01:04 pm: Edit

YOU are allowed to repent for a 1290, saying its a horrible score for YOU, but to say that the score 1290 is terrible in general is an arrogant and rude comment.

By Financelad (Financelad) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 03:25 pm: Edit

"The kids at my school are applying to Standford with 1210-1350 range"
Foreignboy: WHy can;t they get into stanford? I know a lot of people who have practically screwed up high school and SAT and have stil managed to get into Stanford. You just have to stand out to the ADCOMS SAT dont tell you anything about the person.
SAT is afterall a number ;)

By Watchout (Watchout) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 03:30 pm: Edit

hey- a 1290 isnt THAT bad, relax. There are plenty of good schools out there that will welcome you. I'm not sure if you have your sights set on attending an ivy league school but, schools like NYU, carneigie mellon, georgetown, notre dame, swathmore, upenn, & cal tech (i can go on but that would be a waste of time) are all great schools with highly intelligent students.

in short, calm down. i hate people who are depressed about a good score. there's more to life than a good SAT score and ivy league colleges.

By Antec105 (Antec105) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 03:56 pm: Edit

LonelyGal... I visited UVA two weeks ago and I met two guys from the Netherlands... they said it was quite easy to get in if you are an international student... neither of the guys from Holland scored over a 1200... you have a 1290... you can get in to UVA probably... (AND IT'S A VERY GOOD SCHOOL!)

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 09:00 pm: Edit

antec105....look i agree....... uva is a good school...ok suppose i apply there..... with a 1290......i cant afford its $30000+ costs and it has no need-based aid for international students
...just very few FULL scholarships.......

But two guys from my school itself are applying there:

one has 1520 and the other has 1540....... now if UVA is to award the full scholarship.....a 1290 in now way helps...or does it??? how can u ppl cal 1290 a good score that can get u anywhere...well almost anywhere....when there are a truckload of students with 1500s....????

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

hey...all the ppl who have commented......what did ya score.....1st shot,2nd shot scores???

By Kd410 (Kd410) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 09:14 pm: Edit

i actually scored a 1260 first shot, and 1300 second, ironic cuz i am #1 in my class and have all a's

nevertheless ive already been admitted to rose hulman and u mich col of engineering

it just goes to show that some people like me arent really great test takers and that people who do have 1300 or lower can get into great schools

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:34 pm: Edit

antec105....look i agree....... uva is a good school...ok suppose i apply there..... with a 1290......i cant afford its $30000+ costs and it has no need-based aid for international students
...just very few FULL scholarships.......

But two guys from my school itself are applying there:

one has 1520 and the other has 1540....... now if UVA is to award the full scholarship.....a 1290 in now way helps...or does it??? how can u ppl cal 1290 a good score that can get u anywhere...well almost anywhere....when there are a truckload of students with 1500s....????

By T2opine (T2opine) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 12:16 am: Edit

The truth is, there aren't THAT many people in the United States (and I'm pretty sure in the world) with a 1500. It sure does seem like it with all the people who post on these boards, but the United States AVERAGE is around a 1020 or something like that. Let me just say that my boyfriend got a 1290 (highest combined score) on his SAT's and got in on an $11,000 scholarship to LaSalle University, even more than that to go to University of Delaware (out of state applicant), somewhere around 11,000 to go to Villanova (but I don't really know why since I think his SAT score is below their average) and a full scholarship, tuition, room and board, EVERYTHING to Mansfield University. Now, he isn't international, but there are definitely schools that do offer admission AND financial assistance to students who get a 1290.

By Layne (Layne) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 10:53 am: Edit

hey lonelygal!

remember me? how was your sat i?
don't worry too much about your scores....1290 is a decent score and you can get into any of your choices ( didn't you say you're applying to Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, Reed, etc.?). A senior of mine is in Reed, with a full scholarship, and he had got exactly 1300 in SAT I and didn't even give SAT IIs.
Another senior of mine, had 1290, no SAT IIs, and he is in Lehigh with a full scholarship.
You have a great chance at any of your choices.

-Layne

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 12:52 pm: Edit

hey layne thanks man..........

my December sat was fantastic......i am hoping for a 1400+ this time!!!


ya can u tell me about your reed senior's marks in slc and isc????
Ani lehigh ko ni???
what actually set them apart??


please.....u from xaviers right???

how did yur sat go ni???


thanks t2opine....u r really encouraging

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 12:57 pm: Edit

hey can u (esp Layne) evaluate chances of a fren of mine:

Slcgrade9th-10th):81%
grade 12:68%
toefl:283/300
sat1:1540
sat2:phy:770,wr:720,maths2c:680(retook:750+)
excellent extracurriculur and leaderships


so any go?

to colleges like Lehigh,colby,kenyon,Lafayette,etc


to layne:

P.S. we nepalis need a lot of scholarships....so well all apply to similar schools ......but can we all get in?

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:30 pm: Edit

bump

By Bluestar86 (Bluestar86) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 07:27 pm: Edit

your scores are not pathetic. rather, your views on what makes for good scores are.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:39 pm: Edit

come one bluestar86........will u prefer a 1590 or a 1290? huh?

By Anotherdad (Anotherdad) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 05:20 pm: Edit

Reality folks!! You guys are smart enough to get out a beginning statistics book and look up mean, standard deviation, and the like. Then you can figure out pretty accurately where you stand based on SATs. That is the start -- the rest depends on your academics and how you operate as a person.
In this case, you're bananas if you think that 1290 is a low score. Do the math. A 1290 will get you into many great, even prestigious schools. But you should only begin having expectations of getting into the top 25 or so schools when the SATs exceed 1400.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:36 pm: Edit

A gal from my country got into Harvard(with $35000+ scholarships) with 1200 sat

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:46 pm: Edit

but not all of us are so lucky!

By Blindfury86 (Blindfury86) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 12:28 pm: Edit

Hello. I'm new to the whole College Confidential thing but I got a 1270 on my SAT and I got into Penn State, Drexel, and Virginia Commonwealth University's Honors Program (goin' for the med program)...so far...I'm retaking because I'm applying to Johns Hopkins and George Washington and I might (sarcastic) need a little higher score then that. But anyways...even if you don't get a scholarship there is always financial aid. I mean if you are applying to American Schools you must have a green card so you could be eligible for financial aid. Check it out. Also I got a 3.43 UW and a 4.1 W GPA you didn't say much about yours. GPAs are much more important then SAT scores. And...while I'm here what are my chance at Johns Hopkins? My GPA and SAT are above I am taking the SATIIs soon. I have had three internships. My current one is at the National Institutes of Health (that should help a bit shouldn't it?) I know I won't get into BioMed Engineering but can I get into the university at all? Any sugesstions? I also got a 5 in AP world and 4 in AP language. ...lol and I'm also pakistani american and speak a few languages (like 3ish).

By Anotherdad (Anotherdad) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 01:46 pm: Edit

Blindfury86 -- You are sitting pretty. You have 3 excellent acceptances. I have heard great things about the VCU program. Your assessment is right -- you will need a higher SAT for Hopkins. Take a look at UMd for Biomed. Good luck if you decide to go on, or you could just accept once of your 3 schools and enjoy the holidays and your senior year.

By Pedro7487 (Pedro7487) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 03:18 pm: Edit

Don't worry about it 1290 is fine...I mean coming here might make you feel like its a low score but most people that have high scores are the ones that come here in the first place. I mean take Stanford... their average Sat score is probably in the upper 14s say 1460? For each person they take with a 1600 they take another with a 1320. I mean yes competition is very very high for colleges... but coming to this board makes it seem higher than it truly is.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 07:18 pm: Edit

bump

By Marinakitchen (Marinakitchen) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

Lonelygal-
I remember your user name from somewhere....
"I believe you SAT score is below VASSAR's mean score of 1350"

you said that I couldn't get in because of that.

But anyways, the first time I took the SAT's, I got a 1290. And I personally find this entire rant insulting. You know perfectly well that you CAN get in to some of the schools that you want to go to. You just need someone to tell you everything is okay. Well it is.

By Sammywu (Sammywu) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 09:50 pm: Edit

Well, I am also an international student.
I have been in US here for only 3 yrs.
I also got 1290 (580v, 710m)
SATII(1C780,2C 720, Chinese 800, writing,630
chem610 (ouch)) 4.4 w gpa 3.85uw gpa

admission committees will know that we have been in US only for a short period of time so don't worry. Since SAT1 is very biased for foreign student.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:41 pm: Edit

hey sammywu

i have not been to US AT ALL!!!

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:45 pm: Edit

hey marinakitchen,


so what is your PRESENT SAT SCORE?

where did ya get in?

regards,
lonelygal

By Peachieva (Peachieva) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 08:51 pm: Edit

Lonelygal-
You need to get a grip. SATs are not the end of the college admissions. As long as you put forth a strong effort on your apps, you'll be fine. Show them that your test scores don't represent your actual intelligence with your essays etc. I got into stanford ea with a 1260. Don't beat yourself up over one frickin test. In the end it's not that big of a deal.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 09:54 pm: Edit

1260...n stanford ....wow!!!!

a gal from nepal got into harvard with 1200

By Peachieva (Peachieva) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:28 pm: Edit

see lonelygal...you have a good chance! Be more confident!!!

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:31 pm: Edit

but she had 6 sat2s with all 800...toefl300/300
class rank:1 out of 780
best ecs and a killer essay


1290 suks

By Deeny1414 (Deeny1414) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:39 pm: Edit

Wow, after reading all this I feel a lot better, especially when the one comment I received was an insulting and by no means helpful one from Lonelygal

By Uncchlocalmayor (Uncchlocalmayor) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:50 pm: Edit

uhhhh, why are you whinning about a 1290? you sound immature and probably should just stay out of my country and let someone more deserving like an American go to college. stop whinning, you'll get into so many schools it won't be funny, so stop cutting yourself down.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 07:11 am: Edit

ok uncchlocalmayor.

1290 is not a good score......its well below the average of most good schools ..

i'd say...1500,1510,1520,1530,1540,1550,1560,1570,1580,1590 and 1600 are good scores..
anything below 1500 doesnt deserve to be called a score....i believe one will have hard time gettin in with a below 1500 sat-i score...into good
colleges like
williams,amherst,swarthmore,carleton,bates,grinnelunion,reed,vassar,harvard,princeton,yale,mit,caltech...

See!!! GOT MY POINT>>

i ain't whining ....i know TRUTH HURTS!!!

By Ria (Ria) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 07:39 am: Edit

At Amherst, the middle 50% of first-year students is 660-770 (verbal) and 650-770 (math).

At Williams, the middle 50% of first-year students is 660-760 (verbal) and 660-750 (math).

At Vassar, the middle 50% of first-year students is 640-730 (verbal) and 630-700 (math).

Saying that "anything below 1500 doesnt deserve to be called a score....", is not just silly, it's stupid. A lot of people have gotten into amazing schools with a score below 1500.

Just my 2 cents.

By Awe02 (Awe02) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:12 am: Edit

Lonelygal u need to serach these forums better. alot of people get into good schools with below 1500SAT. just because you get a 1500 score doesnt neccessarily give you a better chance. Its more of, whats expected of a person who gets such a high score. You would expect a top GPA and loads of ec's. But if you have a score like 1290 and other achievements to match those of the typical 1500 student, then you would stand a really good chance. I recently got into Stern at NYU. their(stern not nyu as a whole) admit rate is comparable to an Ivy and they have an SAT average to match, i had a score 20 points above yours, and i got in. SAT scores mean alot less than people think. They just usually indicate what to expect from that student. You can have a 1500+ score with a profile to match a typical 1200 kid, and all of a sudden ur 1500 wont mean a thing.

the fact that you put so much emphasis on a 1500+ score makes me think that you are
lacking in the rest of your portfolio.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 10:34 am: Edit

its not that...the fact is i'm an international student from nepal......(a very poor country) and need a near full ride...so...with plenty of applicants from nepal with late 1400s and 1500s....1290 seems a little low....i have good ecs...high school record ,.,,essays..and all by the way

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 08:34 pm: Edit

bump

By Sunnycagrl15 (Sunnycagrl15) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 08:41 pm: Edit

lonelygal, this thread is what i call begging for compliments. by calling ur scores horrible, u know everyone is goona see ur score and TELL u its not horrible, and thats why u started this thread. its not hard to see through, and it prolly makes people who scored lower feel worse.

By Mels (Mels) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 08:41 pm: Edit

"anything below 1500 doesnt deserve to be called a score...."
okay you obviously know nothing. you need to watch what you say because it not only offends me, but many other people. I scored below a 1500 and yeah im still applying to and will get into half the colleges you listed before.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 08:46 pm: Edit

hey...mels......ur case and my case is a totally different......I am an international student....who needs a near full ride...so anything below 1500 for an international student who needs a near full ride doesn't deserve to be called a score...when there are a plentitude of intl students with stellar sats...i.e in 1500s

You are rich so u can pay for money...but i cant!!!


GOT MY POINT>>>>>>>>

By Sguy (Sguy) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 08:47 pm: Edit

yes.....i am an American citizen living in New york...and i fully agree with lonelygal...

1290suks...anything below 1500 suks !!!

By Mels (Mels) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 08:48 pm: Edit

are you really that ignorant? why would u assume that i am rich--because i dont have a 1500 sat score? wow.

By Collegehelp1234 (Collegehelp1234) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 08:55 pm: Edit

I must object to any dating/flirting that is attempted on this website. The purpose of life is to study and get good grades so that one can go to a good university and learn physics and chemical engineering. Life is NOT about theetaura. Don't make me call your parents. You have violated our code of honour.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:07 pm: Edit

are you really that ignorant? why would u assume that i am rich--because i dont have a 1500 sat score? wow.


the fact is that most american kids are rich....i tell u ...however..that all american kids are richer than me ...so say when i need a financial aid of about $35000...then 1290 wont take me anywhere....but a score of 1500s can!!!!

n collegehelp1234

I must object to any dating/flirting that is attempted on this website. The purpose of life is to study and get good grades so that one can go to a good university and learn physics and chemical engineering. Life is NOT about theetaura. Don't make me call your parents. You have violated our code of honour.

i get nothing of this!!!

By Sguy (Sguy) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

i again agree with lonely gal...wow...we get along so well!!!

anything below 1500 suks yeppie!!!!!!!!

By Okiew5 (Okiew5) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:21 pm: Edit

Four kids from my school (top school on the East Coast), all with above 1500's got rejected from Columbia, and Harvard. The kid with a 1260, who had strong ec's, reccs, and essays got into Columbia. Kid with a 1220 got into Harvard, 1290 Columbia. See how I am just listing SAT scores, those scores, according to you, are horrible, but yet they get into the top schools in the nation. SAT's are not the whole college app, but for someone like you, who only has their sat score, will not get into any of these schools.

By Marinakitchen (Marinakitchen) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:29 pm: Edit

Lonelygal, we can all see why you're lonely. And obviously you lack the intelligence to realize that whining about a 1290 is just pathetic. Besides, no one is going to give you a "full ride" because you have a high SAT score. Most of the colleges that you listed award financial aid based on NEED, not MERIT. I hope I don't run into you at any of those schools

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:29 pm: Edit

u ppl are not getting my point...look from nepal last yer a guy with 1200 got into penn......becoz he paid the ENTIRE TUITION,FEES ROOM BOARD...N EVERYTHING'''''' i.e. he did not require a near full ride


BUT FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS WHO NEED A NEAR FULL RIDE A VER VER VERY HIGH SCORE IS A MUST


and thats the bottmline!!!!!!!!!

By Mels (Mels) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

i think its you who is not getting the point

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

marinakitchen...ok tell me yur sat scores.
have u got into any?

then i'll comment!!!

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 09:33 pm: Edit

ok..mels....then make me get the point!


ok..tell me how much will u be able to contribute for yur college!

By Uncchlocalmayor (Uncchlocalmayor) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 10:16 pm: Edit

Lonelygal, with the current American economy and the projected GNP that will increase (wow, what a surprise to the Democrats!), there are gazillions of ways to get financial aid here in America, no matter how poor or rich you are--they are usually targeted for the poor. I think you missed the point b/c you don't think like an American: get in debt if you have to. A lot of the top elite colleges do not offer MERIT financial aid. HARVARD DOES NOT OFFER FULL RIDES:

http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/prospective/financial_aid/

"In addition, all of Harvard's financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need - there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards."

So welcome to America where you WILL most likely go into something called DEBT and then you'll have to work your way out of it with the help of that degree you got. does this make sense or is it a foreign and bogus Americanistic idea?


And to discuss your psychological problems:

"I must object to any dating/flirting that is attempted on this website. The purpose of life is to study and get good grades so that one can go to a good university and learn physics and chemical engineering. Life is NOT about theetaura. Don't make me call your parents. You have violated our code of honour.

i get nothing of this!!!"

What on earth?! You are one of the most pesimistic(and I don't care if I spelled it rong(sp.)) persons I have seen post on this website. Get a grip on life, and yes, life is more than physics, math(i'm a math major), or any type of engineering. sure, they have the potential to bring in a lot of money, but is money going to make you happy? probably not, you seem pissed just right now with saying: "i tell u ...however..that all american kids are richer than me."......ok? so if you're not happy now, you're saying that material things, things that can't relate or communicate to you and paper money that lets you gain material possessions is going to bring you happiness? life is more than just working hard, though i suggest a steady balance between working hard and playing hard ;).

Take it easy, so what if you don't get into some of the elite colleges in America, life is more than just education and beating out everyone else. btw, i got a 1370 on the SAT, and look where it got me...UNC. But why? Because I love Carolina and there's more to it than getting "the best" education. It's more of what you do with the education than the actual school name, that makes me wonder why so many kids apply to Harvard every year.

and how am I contributing for my college? simply put: by paying tuition, fees, books, food, attending sporting events--GO TAR HEELS!--, going to club meetings, etc. Sound fair enough? And no, I'm not Superman, so call me lazy if you want, but I'm getting an education.

take it easy, kid.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 10:25 pm: Edit

ok....

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 12:43 am: Edit

ok.which is the best college that has 1250-1300 sat average?

By Uncchlocalmayor (Uncchlocalmayor) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 01:38 am: Edit

UNC-Chapel Hill, 1287 incoming freshmen average SAT score.

Apply to some of the better schools though. They might want you because of this whole "diversity" issue that's been raised in the academia sector: being a foreign student is an important asset to any American university, how you "sell" yourself is up to you. SATs are not the most important factor or the only factor in getting into a college--skin color, unfortunately, you'd think we'd gotten over this by now in our present age, can be a deciding factor also.

I wouldn't worry too much about your SAT score, you can still bring it up to around a 1400+ easily. I went from an 1190 to a 1370 in a year.

Add to the list of 1250-1300 SAT colleges ya'll!

And lonelygal, about Nepal, what is the current situation w/ your country and communist China? i'im just wondering.

By Sid_Mathur (Sid_Mathur) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 02:21 am: Edit

well, nepal and india have good relations, so even though nepal might be somewhat threatened by bordering china, india has nepal's back

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 03:52 am: Edit

hey uncchlocalmayor...

thanks for your reply.....as far as the situation here in Nepal goes....things arent goin well....THE MAOISM is spreading rapidly.....and the political scenario is goin weaker day by day.....as for the weather goes......hasn't been this good!


(ARE DEC 6th SAT scores free online on December 19th?)

By Sguy (Sguy) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 03:56 am: Edit

ANYONE HERE KNOW/OR APPLIED TO LAFAYETTE COLLEGE
EARLY DECISION???? CAN ONE SEE THE DECISION ONLINE? IF YES,HOW? OR....THEY JUST POST THE DECISIONS THROUGH REGULAR MAIL...
aNYONE WHO GOT IN???

AND LONELYGAL....
MY SAT1 SCORE IS:1010(1ST SHOT), 1220(2ND SHOT),1600(3RD SHOT)


SO CHEER UP...U CAN IMPROVE...SEE I SHOT UP FROM 1010 TO 1600!!!

By Ria (Ria) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 04:09 am: Edit

Actually, it's not that easy. UNC-Chapel Hill doesn't offer any financial aid to internationals at all, most state colleges don't. So, you should look at private schools.

Just because you have a SAT score around 1300-1400 doesn't mean you wont get into top colleges, the ones on you first list. If you have a high GPA, good and interesting EC's that you're really passionate about and great esseys, you'll be fine! Btw, have you taken the TOEFL?

Secondly, have you even been to the US? By saying that everybody is the US is rich, well, I kind of guess that you haven't. Maybe you should think of visiting, if it's a possebility for you.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 04:22 am: Edit

ok here are my stats:

Grade(9-10):83%(National Distinction)
Grade 12: 82%(CBSE BOARD OF INDIA,Natural Science)
Class rank:top 1% in a class of 254(around 2-3)
School distinction in Chemistry and Second in Computer Science

FINAL YEAR GRADES:

Physics:A1
Chemistry:A1
Mathematics:B2(ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Computer Science:A1
English:A1

TOEFL:280/300

SAT1now i hate these) 1290....(retook in december...expecting 1400+)
sat2:phy:670,maths2c:630,writing:690(retaking all three on January)

Leadership positions:

Head Girl(grade 10)
CLAss president:grade 9
Co-curricular prefect:grade 10,12
Team Captain:School Table tennis team(grade 10)
Team captain:School Spelling Team(grade9,10)


Ec's
Table Tennis Competitions.....many 2nd and 3rd positions in regional and 1 national level table tennis tournament

Winner of Intervalley Spelling Competition(1999,2000)

Participation in many elocution,essay and quiz competitions..

Volunteering at 3 places

GOOD essays(well ppl like it)
Gr8 recommendations(i'm sure)


so what r my chances in top LACs with my stats(and yes not to mention...1290 sat(hopefully 1400+ this time))

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 05:26 am: Edit

bump...anyone

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 11:59 am: Edit

bump

By Jacqueline0718 (Jacqueline0718) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 07:59 pm: Edit

Lonelygal I just want u to know that u make me sick. People study their asses off just to break 1200 and you are whinning over a 1290. You have a reasonably fair chance at getting into any school other than the IVYs, and if u have a special niche u may even have a shot at an IVy. You kill the confidence of so many other qualified, intelligent people. you are complement-hungry and just seek praise. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but I'm sure that I speak on behalf of many people when I say this. I would appreciate it if we used these forums to discuss colleges and our interests rather than dwell on something as trivial and untelling as the SAT.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 08:38 pm: Edit

hey jacqueline0718

i'm really sorry if my words have been really discouraging to some people.....yes i agree my words sound like i am complement hungry..
but the fact is that i am not....I WOULD BE COMPLEMENT HUNGRY IF I HAD SCORED IN 1500s...but i have not......

I wanted to know honest opinions....as to where i can get in with a low 1290 sat...

Thats all...

By Johnny3 (Johnny3) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

Hey I'd be pissed too if i got a 1290 thats way too low to get into a prestigious school.. so can you stop complaining and arguing with people that say that your score is good but are really just being nice to you? Thanks.

By Mels (Mels) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit

no its not

By T2opine (T2opine) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 09:29 pm: Edit

Ok, I normally try to be objective, but this is really starting to annoy me...so of course I have to post and make it worse lol. Look, a 1290 is NOT a terribly low score! People probably clicked on this thread thinking you had a 790, and you seriously didn't know what place would accept you. There are plenty of schools that WILL give you financial aid with your score. I don't know about the ones you listed, because I'm not applying to any of those schools and I just don't feel like doing the research. But there are CERTAINLY good colleges that WILL give you financial aid with a 1290 score. And you're taking it again anyway, and it'll probably go up.

Whatever happens, good luck with getting in and getting financial aid. And just remember, a 1290 is NOT the end of the world. There aren't THAT many people getting 1500's...it's just that a lot of people who do come to this board.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:01 pm: Edit

how do u ppl view my stats?

ok here are my stats:

Grade(9-10):83%(National Distinction)
Grade 12: 82%(CBSE BOARD OF INDIA,Natural Science)
Class rank:top 1% in a class of 254(around 2-3)
School distinction in Chemistry and Second in Computer Science

FINAL YEAR GRADES:

Physics:A1
Chemistry:A1
Mathematics:B2(ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Computer Science:A1
English:A1

TOEFL:280/300

SAT1now i hate these) 1290....(retook in december...expecting 1400+)
sat2:phy:670,maths2c:630,writing:690(retaking all three on January)

Leadership positions:

Head Girl(grade 10)
CLAss president:grade 9
Co-curricular prefect:grade 10,12
Team Captain:School Table tennis team(grade 10)
Team captain:School Spelling Team(grade9,10)


Ec's
Table Tennis Competitions.....many 2nd and 3rd positions in regional and 1 national level table tennis tournament

Winner of Intervalley Spelling Competition(1999,2000)

Participation in many elocution,essay and quiz competitions..

Volunteering at 3 places

GOOD essays(well ppl like it)
Gr8 recommendations(i'm sure)

(I HATE TRUCKLOAD OF EC'S ...ITS JUST NOT PRACTICAL U KNOW)

my chances in the following college

bowdoin
bates
carleton
grinnell
oberlin
lafayette
occidental
connecticut
kenyon
union
gettysburg
colby
reed
lehigh
vassar
(not to mention i can contribute only about $3500-$5500) for my education...so i need a near full ride)

DO we need to pay to view our scores online on december 19th?

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 03:54 am: Edit

bump...anyone plz help!!! with my stats

By Dimochka (Dimochka) on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:26 am: Edit

Most colleges will look for more than SAT score for admission and for aid. If you want to get some good money from a college, you have to have something they want. Just SAT scores are not gonna make you get a full scholarship in most schools. My SAT I is a 1420 (620 verbal), and yes, it is lower than all of the ivies (except Cornell), but that won't be what decides my admission, it's the grades, the course load, the extra curriculars, and the essays that will help me. So stop worrying so much about your SAT score. It just might happen that a higher SAT won't really do anything for you.

By Emilyp114 (Emilyp114) on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 02:22 pm: Edit

Keep in mind, people, that many U.S. colleges do not offer financial assistance to international students.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 12:05 am: Edit

can someone honestly predict my chances without complaining about what i am complaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 02:18 am: Edit

bump someone plz

By Aenema (Aenema) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 03:05 am: Edit

How come you are applying to all the same colleges as I am...

tsk ..tsk

(by the way, also international applicant seeking financial aid, I guess we will be competing this spring for a spot...and money)

EDIT: I am ALSO applying to 15 schools...and you have 10 of the schools I am applying to...

more tsk tsk

By Merugo (Merugo) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 04:30 am: Edit

why apply to so many schools? you're only going to go to one of them.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 08:51 am: Edit

hey aenema...can u post yur stats

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 08:57 am: Edit

come one be a lil generous on me....and tell me about my chances!

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 08:59 am: Edit

hey merugo!

why apply to so many schools? you're only going to go to one of them.

then what do i do...apply to only one....say harvard..n get rejected uhuh?

By Pwiddles (Pwiddles) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 09:22 am: Edit

what schools do you think I should apply to: here are my stats:

h.s average-88
sat-1180
interest- premed
lots of volunteer work
involved with a few clubs
play sport
got a 4 on one ap exam and a 2 on the other

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 07:46 pm: Edit

hey pwiddles so where are u aplying to

By Mallorybee (Mallorybee) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 12:04 am: Edit

lonelygal--- i really hope that you get rejected from every school you apply to

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 12:23 am: Edit

come on now....mallorybee.....dont be so rude///well...i'm not being rude by saying 1290 is bad....come on now ...its my score....cant i say that my scores are bad......look............if hopes were to be fulfilled so easily......i just hope that i'll be accepted at all colleges i apply to!!!and u dont'''
but i dont wish that to happen..
i hope that u get in and i get in....

this is a free world
can't we express our views.....of course if truth hurts.....i'm awfully sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Merugo (Merugo) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 12:58 am: Edit

lonelygal -
i'm not saying only apply to harvard, because you should put all your eggs in one basket. however, i think that applying to
"bowdoin
bates
carleton
grinnell
oberlin
lafayette
occidental
connecticut
kenyon
union
gettysburg
colby
reed
lehigh
vassar"
is a bit of overkill over the admissions process, don't you think?
look, you know (relatively) what your chances are by comparing your test scores, gpa, etc. etc. to the typical student at all of those schools. but seeing as you are only able to supply 5500ish per year, why don't you save a little of your application money for your tuition?? assuming each college (and i'm underestimating here) costs $45 to apply, and you've got 14 schools on your list, thats 45*15=$675. that's a lot of money you could save if you dropped your list by half.

besides, how many of those colleges have you visited? how do you know you'd like all of them? if you're accepted to all (or even more than 4 or 5) you're going to have to narrow down that list, and if you haven't been able to do it in the past 3 years of high school, then it will be very tough to do it the two months after the decisions come out.
pick a couple safeties, a few matches, and a couple reaches. there's no need for 15. pick ones that match up with you; have you even read the information packets from all of them? i would suggest that you do that, because the most important thing is matching a college to you, not your statistics.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 01:04 am: Edit

"cant i say that my scores are bad...."

1290

" what schools can i get into with such pathetic scores? "


I got a 1250 and i'm completely satisfied. Pathetic would be anything below 700, depending on the situation you grew up in.

Today in an exchange program, I went to an inner city school in San Francisco, it was an entirely different world than i'm accustomed too. They have to cut their math books in half, so they can share with other classes, thats how poor the school is. The average SAT score is probably around an 800.

So Lonelygal, please stop with your ignorant and pompous attitude. The TRUTH of the matter is a 1290 is a very GOOD score. You can go to an excellent school with that kind of score. For example, the 25th percentile of students attending Cornell have a 1250 or lower. 1 out of every 4th student you'll find on one of the worlds finest college campuses.

The only thing i hope for is that you'll grow up in college and learn you don't have to be so cut throat, i mean you only live once. Carpe Diem.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 02:19 am: Edit

Merugo I understand what you say.
And yes the application fee is around $45-$60 for most of the colleges I'm applying to. But there is this thing called "APPLICATION FEE WAIVERS' that we use and we do not have to pay for anything at all except ofcourse the international mailing charge.


Now Merugo,,,I fully agree with you that IGOTTO GO
TOonly one college....even if i am selected at 4-5 colleges,,,i would definitely have to narrow it down to 1.

Let me give you a clear picture of how kids from Nepal apply to American colleges:

Since we can't visit any college: THE internet, guidebooks, ppl like you and the college counselors are the only source of information about colleges there.

Statistically speaking, about 300 students from Nepal apply to American colleges, of whom at least 50 are ppl with SUPERCOMPETITIVE STATS....like....ALL As,1450-1500+, sat2's avg:750.
toefl avg:270....basically top student.....

YESTERDAY ONE GUY FROM NEPAL GOT INTO HARVARD EA..(PERHAPS $35000+ SCHOLARSHIPS.....STATS:SAT1:1480,SAT2,800,800,790,all As)
AND ANOTHER GUY GOT INTO BROWN ED($30000+ SCHOLARSHIPS...STATS:SAT1:1490,SAT2.pHY:770,MATHS2C:630,WRITING:690)

U SEE......AND THERE ARE MANY GUYS WITH 1400+ AND QUITE A HANDFUL OF 1500S TOO)


so almost everyone applies to these colleges:

OBERLIN
BATES
GRINNELL
WILLIAMS
BOWDOIN
VASSAR
LEHIGH
LAFAYETTE
CARLETON
AMHERST
etcetc...

SO...SO MANY OF OUR COLLEGE CHOICES MATCH....AND THE COMPETITION BECOMES INTENSE.....NOT TO MENTION 99% OF THE APPLICANTS NEED A NEAR FULL RIDE...


so in such situations....one has to apply to many colleges..say 15..

MERUGO U SEEM TO BE A NICE PERSON....CAN U PLZ EVALUATE MY CHANCES AT THE ABOVE MENTIONED COLLEGES WITH A 1290 SAT..AND (PHY:670,MATHS2C:630,WRITING:690) SAT2''


HOW MUCH WOULD MY CHANCES INCREASE IF MY SAT1 INCREASES TO 1400ish AND SAT TO increases to 740-750avg...waht if i dont retake my sat2s?

Please.please.please i beg ya to give me a positive response not like the flat ones given by """"""""""MALORYBEE"""""""""""....SORRY MALORYBEE

By Wjk323 (Wjk323) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 02:56 am: Edit

Merugo...

You are not the first person who has told me that. I DO believe that applying to 15 schools is overkill, but you have to think about the position me and Loneygal is in. As international students...competition is tough, especially since we are asian kids. I graduated from a small international school, and am currently taking a gap year. My friends who are in schools such as USC, Yale, UPENN, etc have told me that I HAVE to come to study in the U.S., because of the experience. (living in dorms, the whole independent idea, etc) They also applied to 10+ and they got into maybe 3 or 4 of the colleges. Merugo, I think that our applying to 15 schools is just a matter of psychological ease. I feel that if I apply to more schools I will have a better chance in getting accepted to at least one with financial aid. (For example, buying 20 lottery tickets is better than buying 5 tickets) I do know that my "psychological argument" is not a strong argument, but still I am pretty sure that Loneygal and countless other internationals on this board feel the same way.

Just out of curiosity, do you think it would be wise to ask friends who are in UPENN, Yale, or Harvard to write me peer references. Do you think Admissions Officers will frown at the letters?

Loneygal, I will not post of my stats because of 1) I dont have time (sorry) and 2) the last time i posted my stats, some people belittled my stats while others extolled my accomplishments. In the end, I got confused and did not know who to listen to. Loneygal, I have realized that you ask for "your chances" a quite few times in this board. I suggest you apply to them, but nobody here knows your real changes in those schools, so asking them about chances is analogous to asking a child about the Theory of Relativity.

By Acennace (Acennace) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 07:57 am: Edit

Loneygal, I think u should be thankful for ur SAT I n II scores. I get 1290 fer SAT I (530 Verbal 760 Math), but kinda did bad in SAT II... Writing 450 Biology 650 Math 1C 720..
BTW, I'm also an international student.

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 08:04 am: Edit

hey acennace....from which country are u from?

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 08:07 am: Edit

hey collegeexpert(jeff

if i get 1400ish in my december sat1....how would i look as an applicant
in liberal arts colleges like bates,bowdoin,oberlin,carleton,etcetc
I'm retaking my sat2's on january....?

how do u evaluate my position with 1400ish sat1...and the same scores in sat2
and again 1400ish sat1 and 750ish sat2s

thanks a lot for your candid advice

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 02:21 pm: Edit

There's one thing I don't understand. Perhaps some of you can clarify this for me.

I receive emails and see posts here all the time from international students who say they only have $5,000 or $10,000 to pay for school and need a school that will pay the rest. As we all know, very few colleges offer any type of financial aid to international students.

However, many international students seem to focus only on the same group of schools (you know the ones). Typically these are THE MOST EXPENSIVE schools in the U.S. Suggest to international students that they consider looking at less expensive schools where they won't need so much financial aid or even some schools that they could afford to attend without any aid and they are insulted. I don't understand why this is --- let's face it, many American kids have to think of college this way and make some hard choices based on cost.

The simple fact is there ARE schools in the U.S. that are relatively reasonable - even cheap - to attend. True, most of these schools aren't "names" like Harvard, but they are decent schools where, I would venture to say, many international students would get a good education at a reasonable cost. Why don't international students who can only afford a set amount consider schools like the University of Wyoming, the University of Hawaii, Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, Columbus State University, Washborn University, Northeastern State University, etc. where it is totally possible to go to school paying well under $10,000 a year tuition?

I just don't get it. If you want to study in America, here's your ticket.

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 04:28 pm: Edit

By the way - here's a list of schools that award financial aid to more than 150 international students:

Arizona State U
Barry University
Clark U
Eastern Michigan U
Grinnell
Harvard
Macalester
Marquette
MIT
Mt. Holyoke
Ohio Wesleyan
PRinceton
University of Bridgeport
University of Houston
Univ. of Penn
Univ. of South Florida

Schools that offer scholarships to 100-149 international students:
Brown
Calvin College
College of Wooster
Dartmouth
Dordt College
Eckerd College
Florida Inst. of Tech
Georgia Southern Univ
Luther College
Middlebury
Northeast Louisiana
Oberlin
Slippery Rock U (PA)
Smith
Stanford
Texas Christian
Tri-STate Univ (In)
University of Miami
University of Rochester
Yale

Your stats would make you a solid match for the following schools from the above list: University of Miami, University of Rochester, Eckerd, College of Wooster, University of Houston. The following would be safeties where you would be most likely to be offered the most money: University of Hartford, Texas Christian, Barry, Clark, Eastern Michigan, Marquette.

All the rest are reaches but Macalester and Grinnell are close to matches.

And, here are some other schools that offer financial aid to a large number of foreign students and would be a match for you: Lawrence University, Beloit College, Allegheny, Denison, Itahca College, Lewis & Clark, St. Lawrence University, Knox College.

I'd suggest that you add some of the above match and safety schools to your list and drop some of the harder/less financially rewarding schools --- they are the ones where you will be most likely to get a substantial aid package.

By Merugo (Merugo) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 04:48 pm: Edit

to answer lonelygirl's question:

i do think that improving on your sat score that much will help matters. it always does. raising your scores to 1400+ on SATI and 700s on satIIs will reinforce you application a lot. it will put you high in the running on the national level, in addition to international.

on the subject of schools, i think it would a very good idea to improve your scores for colleges like amherst, williams, carleton, (swarthmore, you didn't mention it but it's in that group). these are the most competative LACs in america. being an international can help you or hurt you, depending on the educational background of your country, how many people from nepal are applying, etc etc. i'm not saying you couldn't get in with these scores, but there's always room for improvement, right? i don't know if you are ESL, but if you are, then you should definitely take the toefl because your english, especially the use of colloquial english, is exceptional.

what are you majoring in?

By T2opine (T2opine) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 04:59 pm: Edit

To be completely honest, I know very little about the liberal arts colleges, but I there are probably at least a few good lac's that DO offer financial aid to international students. So maybe if you're really not sure you where you will get in, then look around, outside of all the "name" schools.

By Whatever04 (Whatever04) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 07:09 pm: Edit

Isnt there any good, cheap colleges in Nepal? Why are you trying to leave ur country? America is not so great you know.

Question: Whats worse then ignorant Americans?
Answer: People who want to become just that

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 07:58 pm: Edit

And one more suggestion for international students: Berea College in Kentucky is a small liberal arts college with good academics that takes about 30 international students each year. Tuition is FREE. All you pay for is room/board which is estimated to be about $3500 a year. In fact, tuition is FREE for everyone at Berea. How does Berea do it? It requires all students to have jobs on campus in exchange for the free tuition. International students can not only work for free tuition during the school year but stay on campus and work for pay during the summer.

Anyhow, if you're an international with little money who wants to study in the U.S., Berea may be worth looking into: www.berea.edu

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 08:39 pm: Edit

THAnk U SO VERY MUCH CAROLYN AND MERUGO...and yes
berea is in my list too....

Carolyn,

Let me explain the situation you mentioned in the context of Nepal.

Here, the below average students do not stand a chance in the competition for near-full aid in the "COMMON COLLEGES WHERE ALL iNTERNATIONAL STUDENTS APPLY....SAY CCWAIA"....
so they go for lower tier schools...where their needs(financial) are not fully met (comprehensive fee about $25K)....then they work like dogs...to pay for their tuition...some basically end up quitting their college while for the others the "FOUR YEAR COLLEGE" extends upto "8 years"....


The same thing goes for students who are just average...

Now ppl who are above average....apply to CCWAIA....some get aid while some dont...who get aid are the lucky ones....and who do not get aid...choose INDIA AS THEIR destination of higher EEDUCATION

Now ppl who have stellar stats:

apply to HPYM.....and bingo!!! they are accepted there too!,,,while some of those students end up in colleges like swarthmore,williams.etcetc...

So,basically no one knows about colleges like you have mentioned,....so for peaceof mind they dont apply to those place..


I presume I have explained you the situation..


MERUGO,

I have already taken TOEFL....280/300..considered good...

And i am thinking about majoring in either computer science or chemistry...........(CAN I TAKE SELECTED COURSES IN BIOLOGY,CHEMISTRY AND MATHS..TO GO ON FOR BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING..IN A GRAD SCHOOL?


p.s. my new sat-i scores would be coming tomorrow....lets see how i fare this time...and hope that 1400+ is not a far cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Merugo (Merugo) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 08:52 pm: Edit

that is a great score for the toefl. i'm not sure what you mean by your question; do you mean you want to take certain classes as an undergrad to apply towardsa graduate degree in biomed. engineering? i don't quite understand.

let us know how you do on the sats!

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 08:57 pm: Edit

yes definitely..merugo......its out tomorrow!!!!!...


P.S. Most colleges i am applying to would accept rush reports of my january sat2s...wouldn't they?

By Merugo (Merugo) on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 12:20 am: Edit

most likely. even the uc accept the reports from december, and their application deadline was dec. 1st

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 01:03 am: Edit

thanks!!!

By Lonelygal (Lonelygal) on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 07:50 pm: Edit

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

i can't believe this:

My SAT-I HAS GONE UP BY 200 POINTS;;;

last time it was(u know) a 1290(V:580,M:710)
NOW ITS 1490(C:690,M:800)

I'm ecstatic
i'm goin crazy

hehehe..yeppieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 08:10 pm: Edit

Congratulations and good luck.

By Owugenius (Owugenius) on Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 01:57 pm: Edit

Most definitely try Ohio Wesleyan University as well. They have one full-ride scholarship for a Nepali. Your credentials must be pretty good, though. The average SATs for Americans are somewhere in the 1200s, but for internationals they are higher by about 100 points...and for those seeking financial aid even higher. The application fee is only $35. It is a terrific school, too! Good luck!

By Lively (Lively) on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:44 pm: Edit

You really need to stop naval-gazing. First of all, the SATs are merely a guideline for most colleges. Secondly, the admissions people put more emphasis upon your transcript, you interview, SAT II's, and ESPECIALLY YOU. If you come into your interview, apologizing for good scores, they are not going to be impressed. P.S.- I have a 1260-SAT I, and have been admitted to every place I have applied (2nd tier).