Britsh girl needs help....with evaluating her chances

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By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Ok so I am actually so scared after reading some of the posts on here. I knew my chances weren't high but I never thought they were this bad.

I was wondering if any of you could post and help me out on what you think about my chance to the schools I am applying to. They are Stanford, Upenn, Pomona, UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, Tufts, Brown, Umich and Northwestern.

In case some of you don't know, the britsh education system means that we are forced to specialise from 9/10 subjects to 4 when we turn 16. This means that I haven't taken any math or english classes since that time. My SAT and SAT II scores are nothing to marvel at at all. They are:
SAT 1380 (700 Verbal, 680 Math)
SAT II: Math IC 630
Writing 630
German Listening 680

Apart from those scores, I have very high class grades with A's and A*'s in all of my subjects. I attend the 7th best school in the country. My parents never went to college and didn't even attend high school. They are not britsh (I don't know if any of this actually matters, i apologise if it doesn't)
I run a web design club for my school, on my own, I am also creating operating systems for the higher education department for my school. I am managing director of a mock company, it is a national scheme, similar to the idea of MUN. I have played classical guitar for 6 years and am in a band. I also play tennis for the school.
My essays are decent, as far as I can tell, the teachers say that the essays show my dedication to computing and are written well...but hey what do they know.
If there is anything else you need to know to rate my chances, I would gladly provide it. I would really like some input from you all. I know it is hard to judge but do you think I have any chance at the harder schools on my list.
Thank you for any help you can provide.

By Austin on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 07:52 pm: Edit

Hey Sophie

Having just graduated from a British boarding school (eton) I know something about your situation. You definitely do have chances at the places about if not better, go for Yale!

You mentioned A's and A*'s in all subjects which certainly is impressive and puts you in the competition. What A-levels are you doing, AS results etc...

Although I am not sure what exactly got me into yale ED, I would advise making your EC's make you appear dedicated to the situation and all. Milk them for all they are worth and spend time on your essays.

My stats are on the thread "Eton, UK apps, chances at HYPSMC" etc... if you are at all interested. Out of interest, what do you make the 7th best school in England to be?!? and are you applying to Oxbridge.

Anyway, hope I have been some help and would answer any Q's you might have about everything...


By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:20 pm: Edit

I also have really amazing recs....and no i didnt do any sexual favours!!! :p

come on somebody help situation looks pretty dire compared to the quality of your credentials!!!!

By seeker on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Sophie, you sound like you would have a good shot at many of the schools you've listed if you could raise your SAT I & IIs a bit. Maybe you could try studying more for them and retaking them. Otherwise your first-generation college status will certainly help, and your extracurriculars and grades seem decent - hope your recs are good. You should know that admissions at the more selective places is very fickle - even near-perfect applicants get rejected. Therefore don't expect admission, but apply anyway to places like Stanford, Brown and Penn. You might be one of the lucky ones. Oh and congratulations Austin, Yale ED is really great. I thought you were a rather strong applicant back when you posted, actually.

By jello on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:24 pm: Edit

retake your SAT II's
you will have a better chance then

By Ausrin on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:29 pm: Edit

Thanks Seeker for the vote of confidence!

I do agree with his advice though and think that raising SATs might help slightly. Besides that if you have great GCSEs (and it sounds like you do) and AS/A-levels then you should certainly apply to the milkround and hope for the best as it is certainly a bit of a lottery...

Also, since my writing was slightly weaker having quit english after GCSE, i did not take the Writing SAT II.... try if at all possible stick to A-level subjects as it helps slightly

what school in the UK?/A-levels/rec/ etc..

Good luck

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 10:10 pm: Edit

oh wow....thank you so much guys for the advice and boost of confidence...I really doubted my chances, but atleast now I know I won't be rejected immediately, they might actually take some time on my app. i'm very jealous...congrats, I go to cheltenham ladies' college and everyone here is so talented and only a few of us are applying to the us, so I'm glad you know how I feel.
I'm not applying to the uk at all.
as for my as's, well i took: german, art, computing and economics, and recieved A's for all of them. I now take all but german and am predicted A's in all of them. there's nothing else to do in boarding school but work! :p
i am taking all but german this year
my rec's are all shockingly good....i think they are talking about the wrong girl.
with the subjects i am taking, it is very hard to find the matching sat 2's.
I am extremeley interested in computing, and as few girls do it, I was wondering if that is a kind of niche or am I just being silly?
once again thank you for all you help.

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 10:40 pm: Edit

oh dear....austin, i just checked your stats because I was interested, and all I can say, is that I am terribly jealous, there is no doubt that you would get into yale and all others, ok so my confidence has just halved again...I can't believe you ever questioned your ability to get into a good school!!!

By Olivia Williamson on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 11:28 pm: Edit

Being a woman interested in computing does still give you a few bonus points, especially at some of the schools that are not as known for their engineering programs (Tufts, Brown, Pomona). Your SAT scores are not particularly outstanding, true, especially for Stanford and Brown, but they are offset by your GCSEs and AS scores. If your recommendations are as good as all that, you've probably got a pretty decent shot at getting into at least some of the schools: you've picked a nice range of places to apply to, so I wish you the best!

- Olivia

By seeker on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 03:20 am: Edit

sophie - you're right about it being hard to find matching SAT IIs. Part of the reason why I took my A level subjects (Physics, Chem, Math and Further Math) was that they were very practical, mainstream subjects that were 'safe'...turned out that they made the corresponding SAT IIs really easy. But you can at least brush up your writing - it's not as if anyone really needs to study English at A/AS level to do well at it. Just grab a test prep book and spend some weeks practicing.

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 06:25 am: Edit

thanks olivia....i hope they see past my bad scores!
seeker is it worth me retaking the sat 2's in january????
most of the schools I'm apply won't accept them then. Will my essays show that my writing ability is good. I got 11/12 on my essay part of the writing sat that good enough?
to everyone: should i call the schools and explain or should i not bother them
thanks guys

By seeker on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 07:56 am: Edit

11/12? I got that too and got 800 overall. You stand a very good shot at a high score if you retake the writing. But if you don't think you can do well at any other SAT II and you don't need SAT IIs for the schools you're applying to then you could just take Writing, ace it, and explain to the schools that none of the SAT II subjects match your AS/A level subjects. But I think Brown and Penn require SAT IIs, and Stanford strongly recommends them...

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 08:21 am: Edit

my scores have already been sent off, so they are all going to get them anyway...which sucks. I might retake the writing and just send it if it is any good. but with an 11/12 maybe they will see that i can actually write an essay. oh well, Im prepared now to be rejected. I suppose it is better to be pesimistic and then get a surprise than be over confident. Should I call the schools when they get back after christmas or when i know they have my scores?
thanks seeker

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 07:30 pm: Edit

anyone else have any input??

By illusion on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 10:51 pm: Edit

Hey Sophie. I have also applied to a couple of UC's. I chose not to shoot for many prestigious schools here, but that's OK. I am applying as a domestic applicant, but I am actually an immigrant. I added you to my MSN messenger list (nickname: "Perception is reality...")

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 10:25 am: Edit

oh ok...erm no problem

hey everyone, do some schools give their regular decision about you before march, or do they all do them on the same day???

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 08:42 pm: Edit

anyone else have any input? anything is welcome!!!

By sophie on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 08:29 pm: Edit

should you keep in contact with an interviewer after the interview...or will they just think that you are sucking up??

By KillBrit on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 08:32 pm: Edit

We're gonna bomb ENGLAND! Duck and cover ASSHOLIO!!!!!!!!!!

By good idea on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 08:37 pm: Edit

oh goodie......please is the hole of the entire universe!!! forget patriotism....please bomb it. You would only be doing us all a favour!

By quarky on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Shut the hell up, both of you. How can there still be such animals in this world? Ignorant sons of bitches.

By Patriotism on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:35 pm: Edit

"God bless America, land that I love! Kill the English, Kill the English, with a knife......."

By Negro on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:39 pm: Edit

The parody was fine, but instead of killing the English with a knife, how about a NUCLEAR BOMB! DIE PIG!!!

By stop! on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:42 pm: Edit

HEY AMERICANS! I don't see what's wrong with the English people?! You morons are just crazy these days.

By quarky on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 10:22 pm: Edit

I agree, stop. What is wrong with these animals?

By sabz on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 12:06 am: Edit

I wouldn't pay any attention to the flamers here.

I'm also applying to UPENN. Best of luck.

By sophieeee on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 06:48 pm: Edit

they totally deleted some of the posts in here!!! that's so strange
anyone else with comments to make? can use all the help i can get!

By Burberry (Burberry) on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 08:00 pm: Edit

Stay in GB. Please.

By sophieeee on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 08:11 pm: Edit

You're right. I don't know what I was thinking, plus, there are plenty of good schools here. And I'm clearly not cut out to be Stanford, Upenn, Pomona, UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, Tufts, Brown, Umich and Northwestern material. Thx for the input, guys. I'll shut up now and go back where I came from.

By byebye on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 06:26 am: Edit

haha good idea!!

By londongirl on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 08:05 am: Edit

Hey Sophie,

Im Britgirl and applying to USA as well. Stats:

SAT 1360 (m720, v640-crap,I know)
SAT IIs: Writing 720, French 710, Math 2c 690
GCSEs, A/S, A-level predictions all A s and A* s
Head Girl of my School (Godolphin and Latymer)
pages of ECs (field hockey, tennis, orchestra, young enterprise, careers team, netball, flute grade 8....more petty things)

V.Good recs- no sexual favours also :)
Essay- okay I guess...not prize worthy but decent

Applying to Harvard (was deferred EA), Princeton and Yale. Applying to UK too (hence the extremely high standard I have set myself by choosing the three above!)

Do you think they will take Head Girl into accout?

I know for sure that you have a v good chance at Brown. Friend at my school got in; 1290 SAT, alright SAT 2s, good recs, A/A* GCSE + A-level, good ecs- GREAT essay, no legacy! I think Brown likes UK girls.

WHat do you think NE1? Good Luck Sophie

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 08:19 am: Edit

Hey Britgirl, wow it's nice to know there are others out there. This board seems to hate any one foreign.

If I'm honest, I think you have a pretty good chance at those colleges. I know girls who have gotten in on lesser scores. They definitely take into account how different our system is.
I do think they will take Head girl into account, as they understand how much time and responsibility it takes.
I think you have an excellent chance at yale as they spoke to someone at my school. They said that the high quality and variety the british students bring to yale is outstanding, especially those from the top boarding schools. They are very interested in candidates from our kinda schools. so you're in! hehe

I hope Brown agrees with you!

Good luck to you too!

By Fish3715 on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 01:52 pm: Edit

You both have good chances, just make sure you apply to safety schools.

By Expataznamerica (Expataznamerica) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 06:41 pm: Edit

Did you people apply for scholarships?

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 06:45 pm: Edit

nope...well I didn't any way


By Expataznamerica (Expataznamerica) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 10:37 pm: Edit

I'm just saying that if you didn't, then it means your family is rich enough to support you, and so, you might have a better chance being admitted to one of the elite US universities.

By londongirl on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 12:53 am: Edit

I'm applying for FA at all unis. Yale is need blind for international applicants. On the other applications I put that I was a US citizen (i have a passport- born there). Need- blind all the way.

By _0_ on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 01:02 am: Edit

(WHat do you think NE1?)

I think UK girls are hot

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 07:35 am: Edit

american guys are the hottest....ofcourse that isn't the reason I'm applying just to the states!!! :p

By Expataznamerica (Expataznamerica) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:01 am: Edit

So you apply as a domestic student. I'm in the same situation. I'm an American citizen, only living in Germany. So technically, you apply as a domestic to all US universities.

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:07 am: Edit

you guys are so lucky! I'm british and german so I get put in the really hard pile...full of people from Hong Kong and Japan etc who kick my ass in all the scores etc!!!

By plz on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:16 am: Edit

he sophiehut r u german??well me too!!

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:25 am: Edit

well im full german and full english if that makes any sense. i was born in the uk and have always lived here but my parents are both deutsch.

where are you applying?

By plz on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:28 am: Edit

well i was born in germany & have lived all my life mother is father`s sounds strange but thats the way it is! where are YOU applying??

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:41 am: Edit

look to the top of this discussion...i started the posts

By plz on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:45 am: Edit


By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:51 am: Edit

its you can see i don't really have much chance..what are your basic stats??

By plz on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:54 am: Edit

well they aren`t any better

1380 - M 700 / V 680

Spanish 800
Math IIC 700
Physics 650

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 11:56 am: Edit

wow same sat score...but v and m are the opposite way round

do u know of people who have got in with similar scores?

By plz on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 12:02 pm: Edit

my brother got 6 years back into stanford with a 1300....thats why i am trying, moreover sat arent everything!

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 12:10 pm: Edit

true I really want to go to computer science and it's in california! :p
What do you want to study??? any idea?

By plz on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit

mech engineering/architecture/cs!

By soph on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 09:27 am: Edit

that's cool...
I can't wait any more!
This is driving me insane...I just would rather be rejected and still know than have to wait till March to find out!!!!

By plz on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 07:08 pm: Edit

yeah! me too! i am anxiously awaiting that first week of april!! 31.3 colplay concert, 3.4 friend`s long awaited party ..& not to forget univ decisions!!what a week!!

By cricket on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 10:49 pm: Edit

Dare I ask what is a 'head girl'?

By yeahyeahmothafucka on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 11:28 pm: Edit


By soph on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 12:51 am: Edit

yea, i think it's about time i called it quits.
i'm withdrawing all my applications, and staying right here in GBritain as "head girl."
i think with crappy stats like mine, being head girl offers a much more promising career than attempting to educate my already inferior mind. plus i'd rather not corrupt other countries with my sick ways.

By soph on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 12:59 am: Edit

you're right. i've decided to withdraw all my applications anyway. with stats as crappy as mine, i've decided i'd be better off continuing to do what i do... being "head girl" than attempting to educate my already inferior mind. and i think i'm better off staying here than corrupting america with my sick ways. thx for the advice, guys!


By soph on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 01:00 am: Edit

sorry for the double-post. as you can see, i'm really convinced about this decision and just wanted to let yall know i really appreciated the input, but we can call it quits now!

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 03:40 am: Edit

ok people pretending to be me really have problems! Are you that insecure? Worried us foreigners will take away your place? Well you shouldn't be....I highly doubt that with your high intellect you will be rejected from any where!
oh and btw.....I'm not head girl! And for those wondering what that is....well its a girl selected to represent the school both to outsiders and to the principal of the school. It's a tough job and I'm glad I don't have to do it!

By holymutha on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 06:30 pm: Edit

hmmm conclusive evidence has found that most americans when asked thought that the united kingdom was some where in the gulf. Come on guys...ignorance is not something to be praised!

By Brandon Land on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 11:36 pm: Edit

I Know where's it's at!! WAAAHHH!!! C'mon you insolent blue collar worker! The prime Meridian runs right through it! WAAAHHH!!....I have nerd pride and chill at nerd's mansion. I will zap your brain neurons at ultra high frequencies and make your a "DOLT!" WAAAAHHH!!!

By seeker on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 12:06 am: Edit

cricket: you know what a 'headmistress' is?

By Sabzevarian (Sabzevarian) on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 03:45 am: Edit

"It's a tough job and I'm glad I don't have to do it!"
double entendre;)

By Brandon Land on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 09:07 pm: Edit


By Nicole on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 03:01 am: Edit

Hey Sophie.., your SAT scores not that good but U always have a chance..,If u are a person with full enthu. and creativity you can always get into any college.

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 04:54 am: Edit

wow thank you for the vote of confidence nicole!!! and good luck to you if you are applying any where!!

By Mrowry on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 05:21 am: Edit

Sophie, in your opinion, how hard is it for a US student to apply for university in the UK? We have like no specialization here... it's all about being "well-rounded."

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 06:23 am: Edit

hmmmm...well in england it's all about the dedication you have to the subject you want to study. Remember that you pick one, and everything you do has to be about this one subject. They like people to be well rounded but being really well rounded with ec's etc will not get you in if you don't have real interest in your chosen subject.
It isn't too hard if you really know what you want to do and if you can prove it. For the good universities you have to have an interview, and it is a very tough interview where they basically try to trick you and test you on the subject you are applying for.
To be honest I would not apply to the U.K because the system and funding is just appauling, unless you absolutely want to, I wouldn't leave the us if I were you. You guys are very lucky when it comes to things like facilities and decent campuses!
But have a go, you have nothing to lose and the application takes one minute compared to us applications!!! You do one application for all schools!

By Mrowry on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 03:04 pm: Edit

Hmm, for some reason I thought it would ultimately be less expensive, because you get something equivalent to a Masters in fewer years or something. By the way, how do they interview US students? We go there? They come here? They seek help from alumni living in the US?

By Sophiehut (Sophiehut) on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 08:01 pm: Edit

i have no idea....but it isn't like alumns that interview you it is a set of people who are proffessors or something...I have no ideas whether they would want you to go to the uk!!

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