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By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 06:39 pm: Edit

Hey :) The other thread was getting too full, so I started a new one...yup, you know the drill!

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:45 pm: Edit

Quote:'ve got my curiosity up...what do you do that you're so up on this?

I don't know. I just read about it a lot. I lift weights, so I know a lot about the bodybuilding type stuff, muscle stimulation, supplements, and all that jazz.


So...are shakes a good substitute for whey protein? or bars, for that matter?

Do you mean "source"? Because yes, they are good sources. Since you don't weight train (although I highly recommend you should, or start again) your protein requirements are relatively low. Most shakes are pretty simple. Take water (sometimes milk is better) and add the protein powder. Stir, and drink. It's rather filling, but due to your low weight and the fact that you don't weight train, you don't really need all that much protein. I don't even think you should be taking the shake in the first long as you eat right, you really shouldn't be worried about any protein deficiencies. It doesn't give you energy. Carbohydrates are the main source of energy. (Actually there are many different forms of carbohydrates your body uses in varying intensities of physical activity, from ATP to creatine). Then your body switches to fat and protein after extended periods of time. That's why, if you go to a gym and ask, most educated people will tell you that it isn't a good think to exercise aerobically for more than an hour at any one time. Because, your body starts breaking down muscle tissue (your biggest defense against weight gain and your best friend for fat loss) after a certain period of time. Aerobic exercise is good for fat loss because over a period of several weeks to months, the body sort of trusts the fact that you're exercising (again I'm not really sure how), and it starts to burn a greater percentage of fat while you aren't exercising.


D isn't on the diet but takes periodic calcium supplements and Atikins recommends a strong complement of multi-vitamins/minerals to cope with some deficiencies in the induction phase.

I'm sorry if it feels like I'm picking on you, TD. I'm not a doctor or anything, but I wouldn't put much faith in multivitamin supplements. I think it has something to do with the way they synthesize it. The that your body only digests a small percentage of the vitamin. I think it goes around only 5-15% of most multivatimins are actually used by the body. It also supposedly taxes the kidneys trying to rid the vitamins from your bloodstream. Again, I'm not a professional, so I'm mainly stating this out of heresay. I don't know if it's true, but it very well could be.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:41 pm: Edit

Your reasoning may be why they want what some would consider to be high dosages. My doc, a GP, suggested that I make sure to pay special attention to taking B-complex as well.

Re: exercise, yeah, there's a metabolic "set point" that your body gets used to. It's easy for me to get knocked out of the habit of exercise if, forex, I have allergies or early morning appointments or something. Summer is just too crazy...D doesn't get dropped off at the studio until 9:30 and by then it's too hot to do an hour's worth and it would be too late into the day.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:53 pm: Edit

wowwww i leave for a few days and there's a THIRD THREAD!!! aghh well i've been up day and night doing my summer reading thats due tomorrow. im leaving for University of Pittsburgh tomorrow! followed by Cornell (:)) Princeton, UPenn, Yale, and whever we choose to go in Boston (Harvard & maybe BU)!!

welllll have fun guys. i'll be back in a week!

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:55 pm: Edit

okay i have a stupid question.

do you think it would be okay to write a really CRAZZZZY essay? my friend suggested i write one about food (lol!) because i'm so obsessed with it and all i do is eat or talk about eating.

do you think it would be crazy or would i seem stupid to write an essay about food? like from the food's point of view. say...."Sunshine's hamburger plans revenge" or something. haha i made that up off the top of my head...

its definitely crazy and original, but maybe TOO crazy? oh welll...back to work for me!

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:03 pm: Edit

Well, you could always write it and post it here or E-mail it to me.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

hmmmmmmm i shall. it would probably be good if i could pull it off, but im not quite sure what im really going to say in it yet. i bet it would catch A LOT of my personality if i can do it right though. the thought cracks me up.

okkkayyy well i have written 23 pages worth of essays and i am still chugging along. someone remind me never to wait til the last day to do summer reading again...

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 01:54 am: Edit

Yawn...long day/night. I feel like I've been up for days

I did NOT get my job interview this morning, btw, but the morning was not a total wash because I got errands done and stuff, so I guess I can't really complain :)

Actually, O71, I was curious about the protein thing too because I really *don't* eat that much meat and I was wondering if it would be smart to get whatever I'm not getting by skimping out on meat by eating bars and drinking shakes (Yes, I know I should start weight training again...sigh... all the decent guys that weight train for sports have graduated :( I'm on my own this year) And I *did* have a protein deficiency earlier last year... it will seriously kill your hair, weaken your nails, etc. Definitely not a pretty thing at all. It's wasn't noticable to the naked eye, so to say, but I just remember brushing my hair and having lots of hair fall out...which seriously freaked me out.

I think multi-vitamins are good in the sense that they pick up on things that you know for a fact you don't get enough of- like I take iron because I don't eat meat for the most part and calcium because I can't stand milk and I have a yogurt once in awhile, but not enough to meet the daily requirements.

At least I'm good with the whole 8 glasses of water a day thing :)

Have fun Sunshine! You can write your essay about food-the topic doesn't even really matter- it's all in how you present it. If you do write it, post it here or email it... I'm very curious how it will turn out.

BTW-- I was looking at the essay questions in the common app and one of them is "who is your greatest influence and why?" I would write my mother but do adcoms look upon that as cliche, because so many other kids probably write about their parents too?

Thedad...who do YOU want to win the race for the position of California governor? Do you agree that Gray Davis should be recalled? Just curious... I've been following this for awhile:)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 02:37 am: Edit

Sunshine, give the essay a try and e-mail it to me. As a "repeat customer," you're entitled. My response may not always be quick...I've got one in the electronic stack of stuff to be dealt with already.

Twinkle, since you're interested in what gobbles up my time, tonight in my capacity as chairman of the Trip Committee I presided over a meeting of parents planning the Spring orchestra trip. This is rather like herding cats. After two hours of discussion, we narrowed the choice of tour companies down to two with a request for a revised bid, and decided to drop Budapest from the itinerary, leaving it a Prague-Brno-Vienna trip. I'd say that I earned my salt tonight except that it's a purely volunteer job. In other news, I was quietly invited to join the PTSA board for next year; they're creating a position so I can be a voting member.


Re the California Governor's race: what a mess.

First, I do think Davis is a lousy governor. However, there are two main charges against him: the energy crisis and the state budget.

The energy crisis and attendant contracts he simply deserves a pass on. He did the best he could, that any one could given the known data at the time, when the market was being manipulated by Enron et alia. It absolutely infuriates me that a federal commission with Bush-appointed hacks has said, in essence, "Yeah, you [California] entered those contracts under duress and illegal manipulation of the market but you have to abide by the terms."

The budget is more complicated. You can certainly score Davis for not having been up front about the impending budget mess during the last election campaign. However, the California budget process is dysfunctional due to four factors:

1. Term limits, which means there is no institutional memory and no commitment on the part of the legislators to long-term goals.

2. Mutually agreed upon gerrymandered legislative districts such that virtually *all* districts are either safely Democratic or safely Republican, meaning that persons running for the legislature or for re-election usually only have to please the actvists of their own party to get nominated and/or elected and thus never have to stand for election before a broad electorate, meaning that you have very few moderate legislators in both directions.

3. California is one of only four states where budgets and taxes require a 2/3 majority, meaning that a minority of ideologues (see #2 above) can play havoc and hold up any reasonable process.

4. There have been so many statewide propositions voting for such and such expenditures that far too much of the budget is untouchable and there isn't the flexibilty there should be.

To all this extent, it doesn't matter *who* is governor, it's a recipe for a train wreck.

Besides all that, I think the Recall is a terrible idea for a process and that it just will become one more weapon for pointless partisan warfare.

I'm going to vote "No" on the recall and then for either Bustamante (an indecisive mediocrity, the lieutenant governor) or Peter Ueberoth (moderate Republican, promises not to run again, ran a damn good Olympics) for governor should the Recall be successful. Schwarzenegger is a bad joke.

Filter all this through the fact that I've worked for the U.S. House, the U.S. Senate, and on paid staff on two presidential campaigns.

By Digmedia (Digmedia) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:34 am: Edit

TheDad - I like your analysis; makes me think that Californians aren't so crazy after all.

Seriously, I worry about California because I think other states are headed for the same budget woes. Of course others are not as big as CA, so what we're seeing here is amplified manyfold.

And my main worry is that George W.'s record deficits will come back to haunt us in ways that will affect my son when he's graduating from college and ready for the job market.

Which two campaigns did you work for?

By Rubenizm (Rubenizm) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:48 am: Edit

i'm a hardcore democrat, republicans •••• me off, but if i were to vote, i would vote for arnold. I mean sure his father was a nazi, but he's Ahhhnold. Plus i really doubt he's a real republican, his ballot in the 2000 election is somehow missing although records indicate he had an absentee ballot, and for crying out loud, the guy supports gay adoptions. I, a supporter of gay rights, don't support adoptions yet. He can't possibly be married to a kennedy, support after-school programs, be an immigrant, support gay marriage, gay adoptions, AND be a republican. But i do find it really stupid to reelect a governor less than a year after they elected him. That's just stupid, and is a waste of money, that is already very scarce. The governor doesn't make that much difference in the financial condition of a state.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:57 am: Edit

Henry "Scoop" Jackson (1975) and independent John Anderson (1980). I tend to be liberal on social policy, moderate on fiscal policy, and internationalist/pro-military on foreign policy...such that some of my long-time friends blink when I condemn the Iraq mess. I honestly can't see a road map for us to get out of there on terms we'll be happy with and conditions we'll be happy to leave behind. (In college, I actually took a course on Iraqi foreign policy...never dreamed the background would come in handy.)
The military is very good at breaking things. But we (the US) haven't a clue about how to manipulate the Rubik's Cube of culture, ethnicity, religion, and economics to build a stable society we can live with. Between the Kurds, who vigorously wish to be left alone, the Sunnis who hate our guts because Saddam was their man, and the Shiites who not only regard as infidels but are bitter about the fact we encouraged their revolt after the first war and then left them hanging...literally...and are backed by the hard-line elements from within Iran, most of the people who will support any U.S. vision are those we've bought and paid for...and it ain't enough. War is like watching something unfold in fast-forward video; nation building, or disintegration (as in Afghanistan, now out of the public eye), is a slow-mo event.

The deficit's a huge time-bomb, no doubt about it.
I was in D.C. when Nixon resigned and thought that was the worst president we'd ever have to deal with. Now, I'm not so sure.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:48 pm: Edit

Thedad, congrats on becoming a voting member of the PTSA (is that Parent-Teacher-Student AssociatioN?) BTW, where is Brno?

I agree that the energy crisis isn't really Davis's fault but I think that he is doing a crap job of being governor from what *I* know-it's an outsider's view point as I don't live in CA (but I would also strongly argue that our governor should be recalled publicity stunt last night on CNN regarding the power outage dilemma in the northeast/midwest/Canada irked me in a VERY large way; it was almost as if he went on trying to talk his way into redeeming himself so people would be like, oh he's not so bad... lol. Personally I think the budget deficit would take a LOT for anyone to fix, so I don't know if recalling him would be the best thing to do-but I think if someone could do a better overall job as governor, then why not?

But rereading your four posts, I see why no matter what happens, whoever is in control on the governor's seat whether it be this week or next year will be facing a total diaster...yikes.

BTW, why don't you like Arnold? Just curious:)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:25 pm: Edit

Brno is southeast of Prague...more or less on the way to Vienna.

Regarding the recall, process matters. This is just one more step of devolution in the sanity of state poltics.

Arnold is a poser, has zip experience, and has ducked virtually every question asked about any substantive issue. The campaign strategy seems to be: keep smiling, don't answer any questions, win on name recognition. I'm afraid I have a knee-jerk desire for competence in almost every situation.

I didn't see the CNN thing but with respect to electricity he--and the whole state--were massively screwed by outside manipulators.

Gotta run but later tonight I'll post the line up of the pieces in the little in-studio end-of-term show today.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 01:33 am: Edit

I can't understand HOW our governor keeps getting re-elected when all I hear is bad things about him. I know next November when I can vote I am certainly NOT voting for him; I'd take Arnold over him anyday. No offense to him or anything but his financial policies definitely favor the wealthy, which I suppose makes sense because there's a lot of rich people in CT but there are also a lot of lower and middle class people too...maybe not as many (I doubt it that the rich are the majority) and those groups hurt because they get no tax breaks and they suffer from budget cuts on programs like health care, especially poor people with certain kinds of insurance. And so forth... not to mention public education problems...etc.

I like Arnold from what I've seen but maybe not as governor because he doesn't really seem to have a PLAN. I like his standpoints/positions politically but he doesnt seem to have a plan... I forgot what the issue was, maybe taxes, but he said something to the effect of "don't worry I will take care of the taxes" and I was like but HOW???

How was your state screwed over by outside manipulators over the electricity thing?

I was very BAD with my diet today, I had a bowl of cereal for lunch with skim milk and a cup of soup for dinner... grr... all carbs and no protein, plus too much salt in soup, which equals=water retention...yuck. I am definitely bad at this.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 01:49 am: Edit

Basically, Enron and others created an artificial shortage by taking power production off-line for fake "repairs," causing brownouts and making prices spike to astronomically high levels. They also did games like producing power in state, shipping it out of state, and having it bought back into the state at higher prices. Now...all the gaming was opaque at the time and the state (and the guv) signed long-term contracts at much higher prices than normal to assure stability and supply.

When the fraud was discovered, the state moved to have the contracts invalidated due to the fact that they were signed under fradulently created conditions. The energy company cronies on the federal commission with jurisdiction essentially said, "Gee, you're right, the market was manipulated, but we're holding you to the contracts anyway." This is what you get when you have former executives of an industry acting as watchdogs on the same industry.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 01:59 am: Edit

Is that part of the reason why Enron got into so much trouble a year ago or so? That's a really dirty scheme to make money... I hate it when businesses act with complete expedience, just for the sake of making a buck. Sickening.

BTW, how was the dance end-of-term show? details details!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:27 pm: Edit

The end of the second term show included the following:

Note, summer has six levels: three of little kids (ages 6-10/11, levels I-III, earlier in the day) and levels A/B/C...A being roughly level IV, B level V, C level VI/VIII.

* = "solo" with 2-3 many in class that they double up

Napoli pas de Six (Bournonville), level C

Sleeping Beauty, "Friends", level B

excerpt from Swan Lake, level A [looked very impressive for level A]

Napoli Trio (performed as a pas de huit) level C

*Sleeping Beauty, "Finger" Fairy level B

*Sleeping Beauty, "Silver" Fairy level B

Agon (Balanchine), level C

*Napoli -- first variation

*Napoli -- second variation

plus: one level A presentation of Ballet mime (story telling gestures used in story ballets),
two sections each of Character, Modern, Jazz, all split between level A and level B/C.

My guess is that you'd be a low level B.


Yep, that's part of the whole Enron thing.

By Spectzix (Spectzix) on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

chill...california is saved
Buffet is gonna be the economic advisor of arnold

oh ..and if u dont know who buffet is...dont expect to be a millionaire..or even billionair (=P) in your life

By Thedad (Thedad) on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 02:58 pm: Edit

Buffet has created a bit of problem for Arnold, saying that California's vaunted and cherished Prop 13 contributes to the idiocy of the financial structure of California. Politically, you can't run against Prop 13 and win...yet. Economically, of course, he's right. Long-term property holders--major corporations, utility companies, etc.--have their property taxes frozen at 1979(?) levels. Residential property owners have theirs frozen at the level of when they bought the property. Thing is, residential property turns over over time, often every 7-15 years, much more frequently than commercial property does. So over time, individual people are bearing an increasingly large percentage of the tax burden while some corporations are laughing all the way to the bank.

Of course, we wouldn't have had Prop 13 if the legislature had acted responsibly in the first place.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:58 am: Edit

Wow...very long seems as if end of Thursday-beginning of Sunday and all the time in between has seemed to blur together; lol, if that makes any sense.

I COULD go to bed right now, because I am super-tired and probably could fall asleep once I crash, but I keep having the same kind of dream ('s so aggravating, because the setting is always different but it involves the SAME person...sigh)that I wake up to every morning, which is definitely beginning to get to me because obviously it's trying to tell me something, but apparently I'n not getting the message. LOL, even my dreams confuse the living daylights out of me. Now, I could fall asleep at ANY given time throughout the day (which I almost did like 6 times) and sleep just fine but noooo I can't do that like a normal human being when I actually DO have to sleep. I hate being so tired all the time, lol, and the lack of a peaceful sleep even when I DO get to get a normal night's sleep is not helping at all. Starting school will be quite *interesting* in that respect.I REALLY tried to get homework done on the ride to the beach today, but I couldn't focus because I was too tired and I just couldn't concentrate...the material wasn't processing for whatever reason. I did get some done (written) and some reading too, but it took a Herculean effort:)

How would I be a low level B with only one year of experience, btw? Just wondering:)

BTW...I have no idea who Buffet is...I suppose I should look him up, as we will probably be talking about him in AP Gov't/Pol next week.

How did you get involved in working on campaigns?

Wow...there's more...but I really need sleep now so g*nite all:)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 12:42 pm: Edit

Warren Buffet is one of the richest men in America and is a stock market guru.


You might be a high A but I think low B...older girls do tend to pick up things faster and after a year or year-plus you'd be in range. Plus you're doing pre-pointe stuff...level B is split between beginning pointe dancers and those not quite ready to go on pointe.


You've got to get your sleep sorted out before school starts.

And [parental style note]: a ride to the beach is not the time to get homework time. A dedicated time in a quiet space if you want to do a good job in a time-efficient manner.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:49 pm: Edit

OMG...I slept *10* hours last night...which is bad because that's too much. I know I have to sort it out before next week but I've been trying to for a month now and I'm failing at it all over the place :) I actually don't want to go back to school at all this year :/ When does your D have to start?

LOL, I was never one of those kids who could do homework at a desk every night. Actually, my best place to do it is the kitchen table and NOT my room (way too many diversions/distractions and plus I share a room so there's no chance of getting any quiet there) so I guess that's kind of equivalent to a desk. Doing homework in the car is never really a good idea, although I know I have done it *many* times. I like doing homework on the floor too...good place to study, but definitely a *bad* place to fall asleep (like I did during the week leading up to AP testing...oops:))

Oddly I have never heard of Warren Buffet; Warren Beatty, yes, Warren Buffet, no, but apparently he is a very important person. That's kind of weird, because I'm usually good with keeping up with the whole current events thing and knowing all of the political figures, but apparently I've missed this one. newest trying-to-figure it out thing is the whole financial aid thing. If you fill out the FAFSA, you're supposed to be able to get some financial aid depending upon how much money your family is supposed to be able to contribute. However, my parents seem to think that we will not qualify for a lot of financial aid because our EFC will be too high (which, if it is, they are not going to be able to pay anyway-anything upward of $5000 a year would just be way too much from their viewpoint- then again this is not necessarily the way the government would see it). I *think* their combined income is along the lines of $62K (?) a year, but I also have two siblings as well...would that have any effect on EFC and such, especially since their expected college entrance dates are '06 and '08?

By Jje (Jje) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:04 pm: Edit

Buffet is the second richest man in the world (35 bil) and it is all self made. If he can't help Cali, then who can? The link is to a forbes site about Buffet.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:50 pm: Edit

Twinkle, your parents' combined income as you report it will make you eligible for *lots* of financial aid at many places...but you can't get *any* of it unless they fill out the FASFA and, in many places, the CSS profile as well. (Note: for Yale EA, the CSS Profile must filed by October 1...check all your deadlines carefully...I'm putting all of D's on a spreadsheet.) Make sure your parents fill out those two forms. They need to let the schools judge how much aid you'll get, not themselves. Not to mention all the heartbreaking cases where a parent loses a job or something and the student would then be eligible for lots of aid but can't get any because no FASFA was filed...the point is. There are so many *loans* you can't even get without the FASFA.


D admits she'd have too many distractions in her bedroom...and she doesn't even have a TV or computer there. She has a big high-backed chair in a corner of the dining room with a bookshelf full of books & other resources at one hand and generally a pile of papers and books on the floor in a semi-circle around it...she has to clean that up before the person who comes to clean arrives every other week. If necessary, she uses a lap board for a writing surface...she has the habit of doing writing assignments longhand, then editing, then typing into the computer. At some point, I think it would be really helpful for her to learn to compose at keyboard; I saved a *lot* of time when I did and, as we both know, time is the enemy.
D starts back to school September 3. We're going to be gone on vacation Wednesday through Sunday. Nutcracker audition is a week from Thursday.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:28 pm: Edit

The question will end up being just how much aid we CAN they consider things like how much income you lose to taxes, mortgage, etc.? I didn't even know that there was a CSS profile... where can you obtain one of those?

I hate the idea of getting all of my financial aid in loan form...hopefully most will come from grants because the idea of being swamped with tens of thousands of loan dept to pay off is a scary thought, esp. if you decide to go to grad school or end up getting a job right out of college-which probably isn't going to pay a lot to kill the debt right away.

I DO have a TV in my room, which has been there since freshman year, but I actually have watched it a whopping total of 2 times. My sister gets more use of it, even though it is mine (technically) but it's never really on. I don't have a computer in my room, though, as we have one computer and we have to share it (kind of tricky during the school year) We did have two, but the other one is VERY old and plus it's broken or something... I get distracted in my room though, because I'll end up thinking about what I'm going to wear the next day or want to work out instead, lol. Plus I'm not great about keeping my room really neat, so automatically that's a distraction-even though it's not a typical "messy" room, it's disorganized.

I've learned to compose on the computer...that happened last year and it DOES save time, even though it would save more time if I got rid of all the diversions on my computer. But pen and paper drives me nuts, which is why I hate writing essays in class...on the computer you can just delete whole lines where as you have to stop and white out, etc.

Where are you going on vacation? Good luck to your daughter for the Nutcracker audition!:)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:56 pm: Edit

There's no standard answer but, yes, most colleges include a standard cost of living, etc., for your area.

Loans are usually only one component of the aid and I think you're in pretty good shape for grants and stuff.

The CSS Profile is something you find as one of the options on As with everything from them, there's a charge for filling it out.


Much will *not* be decided at the auditions and this year, because of bulging numbers of dancers, final decisions on many parts will wait until later than usual. It will be better next year after D and 10 others graduate...that's as many that have graduated from the past three years put together.

D is virtually a lock to be a Snowflake, in Spanish, and a Mirliton. The real questions are the solos and demi-solos. (Remember they double to fourple cast many roles.) I think she's a lock for the Center Spanish. I think she has a good shot at the Flower demi-solo. I think she's one the bubble for Center Mirliton. Sugarplum, Dewdrop, Arabian, and (sigh) Snow Queen are all a bridge too far. I'd *love* to see her do Snow Queen but I've looked at the roster a dozen times, counting out spots and roles as I'd call them as a director and I can't stretch it. D doesn't even think she has a shot at Center Mirliton but I think she either gets the last spot or misses it by one.

We're vacationing in Cambria on the central California coast. Google "Hearst Castle" and see what you get. Can Google "Cambria," too.

Aside from the tide pools, the sea otters, the sea lions, the zebra, etc. in terms of scenery...and with any luck migrating whales off shore...Cambria is kinda neat. I don't know how they legally get away with this but no chain stores are allowed: no McDonalds, no Starbucks, no GAP, no Forever 23. It gives the town a nice quaint feeling. There are also some absolutely terrific restaurants.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 09:48 pm: Edit

I just checked the collegeboard website and the CSS people claim that they are a not-for-profit organization...yet they charge you for the form. Maybe it's a charge for processing. Now...I'm confused. Do I wait till Sept 15 to fill out the 04-05 form or do I fill out the 03-04 form? I mean, have my parents fill it out. Sorry...dumb question... but I really know nothing about this kind of thing, and I want to optimize my chances for aid. :) And the prospects of getting good aid seem better than I had initially thought, so that's a good thing. Do they prefer the online or paper version? Because if it doesn't matter, then I'm going to register for the paper version and get it filled out that way.

Wow...well I wish your daughter a lot of luck on auditions and for good outcomes when they make their decisions... I'll keep my fingers crossed that she gets Snow Queen though :) I've finally got my hands on a Nutcracker video and I'm going to watch it tomorrow afternoon if I get excited!:) I can't wait to see a real live ballet some day.

I looked up's sooo gorgeous. I am definitely going to California someday. That's unusual that there are no stores there... is there any reason why this has been done?

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:06 pm: Edit

You wait and fill out the 04-05 form, because that's the first year you'd be in college.

Good lesson: "non-profit" does not mean "free." Westside Ballet is a non-profit but we charge for ballet tix.

It doesn't matter whether you do online or paper but I suspect the on-line results in fewer errors down the road. I *think* you can save your app as you work on it and check all the fields you've filled out. You absolutely want to make sure that the entire form is consistent in the way the numbers add up.

Thanks for the kind thought but there is no friggin' way D is going to Snow Queen. If you're superstitious, send good thoughts about Center Mirliton...that's attainable.

Okay, *whose* Nutcracker have you obtained a tape of? As in, what ballet company?

You *chain* stores. All the stores are one-of-a-kind stores, everything from a village store to bookshops, clothing stores, restaurants. It's done to keep it being like every other place that's overrun with the same stores you see in any other town or city. It makes it a place worth going to that's unique.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 12:37 am: Edit

Okay, but if non-profit doesn't mean free, then wouldn't the companies be making money off what they are charging? And wouldn't that be a profit? (I know what you're saying is right, but the term "non-profit" seems like a slight misnomer)

Hmmm...that is a very good point regarding the fact that there is less room for error when completing an application online, but I guess it will be up to the parents to decide. My mother likes doing things over the computer, where as my father prefers pen and paper by far...and I would guess that they both need to do the application(s) together, which will have to be during a weekend after 9/15 and before October.

Actually, I'm not superstitious, but I like sending good luck vibes to people... not in a superstitious way but I'd like to believe that it helps people so...why not:)

I get it chain stores, but there is still *other* stores that are completely unique and just in Cambria. Wow, that is SO cool. I didn't even know that places like that existed. It's kind of magical, in away...that's not the right word but I think you know what I'm getting at. Do people actually live there or is it only a resort?

I got my copy from the library and almost didn't get to take it because the librarian was like "You still owe us money and you can't take out anything but summer reading books". Then I proceeded to explain to him my dance obsession and how I've never seen a live ballet or anything, which kind of floored him (he then remembered that I've taken out every dance book the library carries) so he let me take it out as long as I remember to bring money when I return I have no idea how many versions of the Nutcracker they carry, but as soon as I saw it I grabbed it right away. LOL, I get so excited over anything dance related, especially ballet. The company is the Royal Ballet... I have to check the box later to tell you what year it is... but OMG I can't wait to watch it. I don't know if I will get to tomorrow because I have to get housework type stuff done during the day (my mom is starting work again-she works in a school so she gets July and half of August off) and then I have HW and stuff that I *must* get done so hopefully I'll be able to watch it sometime that night :):)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 02:25 am: Edit

Royal Ballet is well worth watching...I'd been afraid you might have had Joffrey or something. If you can get the New York City Ballet (NYCB) Nutcracker, that is outstanding.


Non-profit. See here: I can charge money for something and still not make a profit. Not to get too far into Accounting, but every business has expenses, both direct and indirect (overhead) with providing a service (or manufacturing a product).

For the College Board and the Profile, there are things like maintaining the servers that provide the forms, accounts receivable folks to collect tha payments and properly link them to transactions, lease payments on the building that all of this takes place in (or an allocated portion of the lease if more than one thing is going on in the same building), ditto utilities like electricity & telephone, ditto taxes, ditto salaries and benefits for the people who process the profiles and get them sent to the appropriate colleges...or maintain oversight on computer that do the same. You could have a considerable amount of income without having any profit (income minus expenses).

Now, there are all sorts of accounting games that people can play to make their profit zero or negative (a loss) and people often do so for tax purposes and other reasons. And I won't even bore you with depreciation and other accounting games that wind up with so many Hollywood movies making tens of millions of dollars...but operating at a lost. (It all gets down to what you have to call "income" and what you get to define as an "expense" and how.)

Cambria has a population of 4,000 to 5,000 or so. I'm ordinarily a city mouse but Cambria is one of the few small towns I could even *think* about living in. It's gorgeous...but I think it's one thing to spend five days there, another to live there for months on end and I'd want to try the latter before committing to it.

I've even idly thought about getting a vacation house up there and renting it out when I'm not up there...but I don't dare pursue it until a little item called college tuition is nailed down.
My income is *wildly* variable...this year's may be only half of last year's, forex...and I need to be cautious because I haven't a clue of where we'll come out with financial aid.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

Does it matter which year of the Nutcracker it is if/when I find the NYCB version? Or are they all good?:)

Okay, so that makes sense. So (correct me if I'm wrong on this) a non=profit organization could charge $10,000 for its services, but by the time its done paying for electricity, outside services, etc., etc, they have already spent the $10000 (or even more) paying off what they've spent for other people's services so they can give the people THEIR services (if that makes sense) I think I get it now:) I'm curious, though could a movie that nets $10million+ actually LOSE money?

Good luck with the whole financial aid game :) I was thinking the other day, and I thought... why should we have to pay for college (parents/students)? Other countries do not make their students pay for college and for some reason it makes sense. I don't know...I mean if the economy is in such a slump (even though it has its maximize the chances of prosperity
by making higher educational resources available to EVERY kid? I know that financial aid does help a lot, but I have heard way too many stories of people who really do not have a lot of money and end up getting an EFC that is just too high, and don't end up going to college. This doesn't happen to everyone, and I can understand WHY colleges charge people for tuition, etc, but it's still a frustrating thought. Does financial aid cover things like room/board, too?

Hmmm...thedad...if you rented out a vacation house there, you could probably make *a lot* of money like that, because it's a completely great idea for a business venture, but I can understand why you would want to wait to try it out.

I just realized...when I get a job, will part of that have to go to college expenses? Because all of it in its entirety is devoted to dance... I hope they don't mind:/

By Mauretania (Mauretania) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 02:06 pm: Edit

Twinkletoes - I've been eavesdropping on this thread because it brought back memories of when I saw the Royal Ballet perform "Swan Lake" in 1979.
I was 17 and went with two friends (we worked at McDonald's lol) to the matinee which cost $50.00 per person (great seats, though). Now, the only part I remember of the ballet, itself, was a scene where the curtains rose and the the stage was covered in dry ice. Then the swans rose out of the "mist" in perfect unison, (there must have been about 50 of them)- it was really one of the most spectacular things I've ever seen on a stage!

I've never ballet danced but my Mom went to the Royal Ballet School back in the '50's and my grandmother was the head seamstress for the Sadlers Wells at that time. She made my dolls clothes out of the left-over bits from the costumes - needless to say, my dolls had beautiful velvet coats with fur trim and stuff:) Also, I remember my Mom saying she had to be measured, every year and had to do dance examinations to get a passing certificate (they're all lined up on the basement wall in her house!)I'll have to ask her about that, again, one of these days.

My Mom took us to visit her old ballet teachers at that school back in 1969.

Thanks Twinkle for reminding me of all this:)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 03:35 pm: Edit

Wow, Mauretania. Neat post. I hope you stick around and post more.

Twinkle, I think there's probably only one NYCB's not as if the choreography changes from year to year.

Bear in mind that in most other countries entrance to the universities is on the basis of a single set of exams and tends to be extremely elitist (France, Russia, Japan, China). The U.S. has the broadest approach to college education of any country in the world.

I'll get into movie accounting another time.

And, in a breaking news bulletin, D just passed her behind-the-wheel driver's test and is now, God help us all, licensed to drive on the streets and highways of the United States.

Real Estate Econ 101: Twinkle, the income you can make from a property is factored into its price. It's not quite the money-making machine you imagine. Price for a nice 2- or 3-bedroom cottage with a nice ocean view in Cambria would be in the $450,000-$600,000 range.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Wow, Mauretania, that's awesome that your mother danced in the Royal Ballet :) And you're most welcome for bringing back ballet memories:)

Thedad...YAY FOR D FOR GETTING HER LICENSE!!!!! I get mine in November (eww...I have to test in the snow). I haven't driven on the highway yet though...or very much on main roads. My driving at the moment is "dangerous" and if I had to test now I definitely wouldn't pass. I had the *weirdest* highway dream the other night. I was at the beach with that previously mentioned guy and some of our friends, and then we left at sunset so we could make it home before it got too dark, and we took separate cars back (3 people in one car and then me and the boy in the other car) Then, suddenly, he pulled over and he was grumbled, "I can't drive, my hands are completely sunburned" He proceeded to jump out of the car and hand me the keys. I was completely floored and I sputtered, "But I haven't even driven on main roads yet!" but he retaliated with "You're the big shot, you can drive," so I was stuck. I had no idea where I was, and it was getting dark. I called my mother on a Hello Kitty (???? I still can't figure out this one) cell phone so I could ask for directions, but the answering machine picked up (which we don't have) so I tossed the cell phone out the window out of pure frustration. I was on my own on trying to figure out how to manipulate the highway and make it back in one piece, since I had never done it before. I got lost several times and I was driving BADLY, although defensively:) I almost hit a guard rail twice, and I was swerving wildly in and out of lanes, while braking randomly to make sure that the brakes were still functioning. Then, I arrived at a congested section of the highway, and for no reason at all, I braked again, causing a major pile-up. A trucker screamed expletives at me, but I simply stuck my tongue out at him and kept going. The worst part was when there were 2 lanes going in the same direction, and a policeman pulled up near me because I was going 100+ mph. I was afraid he would catch me speeding and discover that I was driving w/o a license, so I decided my best bet was to outrace him. Although I was driving at a breakneck speed, somehow he still caught up to me. I didn't know what to do, so I simply looked at him sadly and shrugged... and then POOF! He disappeared into oblivion...and then I woke up.

I never found out if I made it home or That WOULD make for a very interesting admissions essay, except that, um, it didn't actually happen. Shucks.

Driving is difficult, imo. Thank god I'm not learning standard (we have 2 vehicles and luckily I'm not being taught on the standard one... wayyyy too much going on at once, which is surprising because usually I am the queen of multi-tasking). My biggest problem is steering and braking...sometimes I kind of forget that I have to brake until I absolutely *have* to, then I come to a screeching halt.

I don't think I'll be driving until way after November...hopefully by June :)

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

I get my license exactly one week from today. Funny, because I haven't done much driving (about 2 hours, I would say) since 6 months ago when I took my final driving lesson. So, this weekend, me and my Mom have to go on a several-hour crash course (NPI) on driving. I'm not that bad of a driver, so I'm not really worried too much about it.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 01:25 am: Edit

Short post. Long day and I have to turn in.

I'm working high school registration, both morning and afternoon shifts tomorrow (parent volunteer), getting D's French horn back from the band instructor who had it out for maintenance, buying the new PR's BEST 351 Book, and then giving D the computer so she can do her on-line Part I apps to Yale and Smith.
Busy day.

The following day we leave on vacation.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:26 am: Edit

Thedad, your day sounds completely busy tomorrow. When you get back, if possible, could you let me know what schools have been added since 331 Best Colleges? (You don't have had to pay for the book and that would be rude to just blatantly ask you to give me info that you paid for)... I really need to get an updated version but there are so many other things that *must* be bought that I'm 'fraid it won't be bought for awhile.

I had another driving lesson tonight... I actually stopped for stop signs and took my turn when I was supposed to every time... not to mention that I did not lose control of the car at all (that happens quite often, which is why it's good that a parent is required to be in the car with you when you still have your learner's permit :) The only reason why I lose control of the car is that I'll steer too much in one direction, and then I try to get back in line with the yellow lines in the road and I end up going too far the other way. The key is not to push the steering wheel too far in any direction, lol, and to remember not to hit the gas too hard (yes, I am one of those abrupt-stoppers and flooring-it types...which is bad for any car) while still hitting the brake in a non abrasive manner.

Using all of the windows is still tricky at this point, so I have my mother watch the windows for me just in case if I miss anything/anyone :) For now, I just have to get used to better control of brake/gas/steering wheel.

I'm debating over whether the written or driven test is worse... I nearly failed my permit test :)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:43 am: Edit

Sounds like you're a blonde kind of driver.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:47 am: Edit

Luckily the DMV does not discriminate on the basis of hair color. :)

Haha, I am tempted to dye my hair red and see if people think of me're not the first who has called me a "blonde driver", lol, or a "blonde type", in general. :):) LOL. Don't worry, no offense taken, I kinda like being blonde in many ways, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Even if I dyed my hair, deep down I would still be a blonde.

Oddly, I am the only blonde in my whole family...everyone else has very dark brown hair or dark brownish reddish. I have a relative who is light haired, though, so that's probably where I got the gene from.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:49 pm: Edit

Twinkle, I'm glad you have a sense of humor but your description of your driving was... was...


Wiped out from working registration.

D got a schedule by dumb luck that could not have been better if she had worked to deliberately game it. She has a lot of singleton and doubleton classes. Band, Orchestra, Government AP, Calculus BC AP, French 3. She also got the best teacher in the school (and one of the toughest) for English 12 AP.

But because this year they are enforcing the "no AP Bio unless you've had Chem" rule, there are only two sections of AP Bio...and she couldn't get in.

Moreover, the Assoc. Principle is a numnuts and there were hardly any senior-level academic classes in 6th period, the best being Marine Bio (H), a sophomore-level class D would have been bored stiff in. (There was also AP Chem which, despite two A's in regular Chem, she was not prepared for...had a *really* crappy teacher.)

The result is that she won't have to to take AP Bio because she can't, will still get the "Most Rigorous Schedule" rating from her counselor because it's not her fault there's a schedule conflict, *and* she won't have *any* 6th period class...she can leave early, take private ballet lessons or rehearsals for solos or work on homework.

And she'll have one less class of homework than she had planned on having.

As I said, if you had tried to game the system with that result people would cry "Foul!" I almost feel guilty about her good luck.


I may check in later tonight or early tomorrow morining, Twinkle. Have a good week...see you when I'm back on Sunday.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:02 am: Edit

Thedad, I drove again tonight, lol, and it was marginally better. Only *two* screeching halts, and I didn't have the slow/fast/slow problem again (that's when go from 10 to 60 back to 10 in a few seconds flat!!_ My mother hates that, but it's all in good stride, I suppose, but it's still bad because if for whatever reason I had to drive by myself I would probably cause an accident, or get pulled over by a cop.

This is why Mom has ixnayed ANY highway or congested main road driving... if I'm going to crash into anything, it's best that it will be a curb (which WAS done in a parking lot once...right over the curb into some nice grass... that is when I learned to back up).


Wow, your daughter's schedule worked out beautifully. Congratulations, especially with your daughter still being able to get the most rigorous check on her applications. And plus she has a little extra time to do hw and more ballet time...which is ALWAYS great:):) YAY!

I sincerely hope our GC's see it the same way; I got screwed over getting stuck in CP physics and not getting to take AP Bio (what IS it with that class??) so I may end up with simply "very demanding" checked as opposed to "most demanding", but I guess there is nothing I can really do about it. Plus, my last periods (block scheduling) are filled with calc and Govt, and I have free periods at odd times of the day that COULD be filled with things like art classes and stuff, but I don't want to put things in my schedule that don't interest me. I *could* leave then, or I could stay in study hall, which is a total joke. You get nothing done in there at all simply because study halls are usually filled with the most horrible kids.

I was considering squeezing in an hour of work then, but I doubt that is possible. lol.

How does class registration work at D's HS? That has never been done over the summer at ours, so I'm wondering if it's a different process.

BTW, what is a singleton/doubleton class? When you say that it makes me think of that rat in Charlotte's

Have a GREAT vacation if I don't get to talk to you before you go :) I'm registering for dance classes tomorrow morning :)!!

I think I've decided to write my essay on a random topic...something very unusual...probably an odd experience or something; everything else I've tried is simply way too cliche.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:54 am: Edit

A singleton is a class with only one section; a doubleton has two sections. In a school with 700 or so seniors, this isn't a lot.

At D's school, students fill out class request forms in May, with the ability to note second choices for any classes they want. Based on demand, over the summer they figure out the # of sections per class.

They then build a master schedule with # of sections, teachers, classrooms, etc. and then put it in a computer with all the student requests. Voila...schedules pop out. Winds up needing a lot of adjustments by a counselor sitting at a data terminal but it beats scheduling by hand. They will work the bejeezus out of a schedule to make sure there are no gaps between scheduled classes...the school doesn't *have* study halls.

The CP Physics is not a lost cause; it's a plus if you have a full sequence of Bio/Chem/Physics, AP or not, on your transcript.

Good luck registering for your Dance classes tomorrow.

Umm...I've almost got to say that your Mom is doing *something* wrong in how she's teaching you to drive. D *did* clip a corner curb on a right-hand turn once and once she spaced out and started to turn left in front of four oncoming cars. But steady speed and steady braking.... Driving is certainly one of those skills where you have to learn the basics *well* before proceeding to the more complicated stuff.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:20 am: Edit

Most of the classes at our school are singletons, with the exception of freshman and sophomore classes, which are offered many, many, MANY periods. Every AP is scheduled for one time period, so there are many conflicts, which is why most people are *not* happy with their schedules...or are stuck padding their schedules with electives so they can fill up empty slots.

Study halls are a nightmare in my opinion. They should be called "Hey now, let's have a free for all and see how many things we can break!" That is a slight exaggeration, but you're better off just leaving school and getting a coffee or something- you'd actually get something productive accomplished.

That is true about the CP Physics, but it still isn't the most rigorous schedule I could have taken, and it will work against me that I did not take an AP math or AP science ever, while other kids did. I'll have to see what happens, although I *will* put up a good fight to get that most rigorous box checked off.

Actually, thedad, I can honestly admit my crappy driving is really and truly my fault because I am just bad at it. My mother teaches me EXACTLY what I am supposed to do, except for whatever reason I cannot do it properly. I have driven with other people and I have gotten the same instructions; yet I am just a complete failure at driving, lol. I haven't given up yet though; there is still time and I have promised myself that I will get it before graduation/my 18th birthday (whatever of which comes 1st) Driving is my new Achille's heel, in addition to math and playing an instrument.

Good night...and have a splendid vacation:)

By Roosh (Roosh) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:55 am: Edit

Hey, didn't mean to intrude on your convo, but I took AP Chem this last year (junior), and I must say that although it's totally your daughter's choice, I think she's missing out. It was by far the best science class I've ever taken. If she got two As in regular Chem, then there is no reason that she should feel "unprepared". AP Chem is all about how much time you're willing to put into it, and if she happens to love science, I say that it is well worth it. That's just my opinion though. There is slight bias envolved; I looove chemistry and I'm going to be majoring in biochemistry in college =P. But unless you guys have other plans involved now, I'd say to try and get into AP Chem.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:27 am: Edit

AP Chem programs differ by school. The intensity, duration, homework, teacher quality, classmate participation/quality, and experiments all vary from school to school. Just because you particularly enjoyed your experience doesn't mean hers will be the same.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:17 pm: Edit

O71, right. I will make a rare brag on D: she's a clear-eyed realist in that she knows which A's are based on doing well in a crappy class and which B's (few) are no disgrace, like the AP English teacher who gave three across four classes and where D got a 5 on the AP exam. She *knows* that she's not prepared for an AP Chem class, that the college prep class she took was essentially a waste. Who knows, she may wind up taking Chem as an elective in college...she already wants to take Bio and at least one Genetics class, odd enough interests for a PoliSci or History major.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:36 pm: Edit

I heard that the AP chem class at our school is a total nightmare-it went from 24 kids at the beginning of the year down to 7! I am so glad that I did NOT attempt that class at all, lol, I guess it all depends on who the teacher is and if you're science-math oriented or not.

It's funny, we can take AP bio after honors bio, but we're not allowed to do AP Chem after honors chem- anyone who has taken AP chem or AP physics has no knowledge of these subjects before they come to these classes.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:41 pm: Edit

In my attempt to add to the utter randomness of this discussion, I received The Gatekeepers at approximately 12:30 and finished it at about 8:00. I bought it used (in impeccable condition, looks brand new -and hardcover-) for about $3.00 from Great book. You should read it if you haven't already.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:52 pm: Edit

AP Chem is hard but doable. Nothing like AP US Hist. Damn that class was hell.

By Alita (Alita) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:30 pm: Edit

Twinkle...: Yikes! Are your roads really weird and difficult to drive on? I'm actually relieved not to have parents in the car (especially my dad) cuz he makes me sooo nervous. Im so tense, and then by myself, I can breath again. Sigh. Anyways, the scariest part of driving for me is definitely the pouring down rain/cant see two feet in front of you weather. Hydroplaning when you cant see the road on a two lane road w/ cars coming at you = bad Idea. (But, luckily, I didn't crash. luckily.:-)

You may have already mentioned this somewhere, but how serious dancer is your daughter? does she want to dance professionally or just as a hobby, etc? I don't know much about the "dance world" but my best friend wants to be a ballerina and its sooo much work-i NEVER see her. anyways bad news in her academy lately (her instructor was jailed recently) so shes back to looking for a new one. not good for someone who is used to training 7 days a week. What I was getting to (before i started trailing off...) was which part is the center mirliton? I cant recall what she looks like. And yeah, snow queen is nice...but I like the pas de deux that the sugarplum fairy did w/ the prince, and I love the arabian too-especially the contortionist stuff. (im not flexible at all, so its particularly *mindbending* excuse the bad-unintended joke). curious about which part your daughter is...keep us updated.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:38 am: Edit

O71, I read The Gatekeepers, and the one thing I must say about it is that it is a real eye-opener. It will definitely keep people grounded in terms of just *how* selective the most competitive colleges are, and *how* amazing the competition is. It was slightly depressing, but I was glad that I read it because then I won't be too shocked when some of the admissions letters come in from my reach schools. lol.

Actually, Jason, we must be opposites, because I rocked out in AP U.S. History (one of the toughest classes at my school, tons of homework and killer tests) and got a 5 on the exam (LOL, I half-a*sed on of the essays- I got annoyed with it and was like I don't want to do this test anymore-I was sooo tired- but I had 75+ MC right so it didn't matter that much) and I found honors Chem to be impossible, lol. I suppose it depends more upon whether you're math or science oriented or humanities oriented.

This is probably why I haven't touched a math or science AP.

It's funny, I used to want to be a doctor...and I still wouldn't mind it if it didn't require so much chem and...the m-word.

Alita, actually our roads aren't really that bad, compared to a lot of other places- some are tricky but the ones I'm being taught on are pretty tame, lol, in terms of roads. I'm just a wretchedly bad driver :) My mother doesn't make me nervous when I drive (I think I make her a little nervous, lol)

I think I decided that I am going to major in psychology or one of the social sciences and minor in dance:)

My Nutcracker tape is broken, apparently, so I have to bring it down to the library in the morning so I can maybe get another one...grrr :)

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 05:37 pm: Edit

My driving is improving marginally :):) I was inspired to drive better because I want to be able to drive myself back and to dance (which I'm registered for...yay!) Am I still an unsafe driver? Yeah, I'd say so. Would I pass the driver's test if I had to now? Obviously not, especially since I barely passed the written for the permit tets. But... I did not hit any curbs at all...I stopped at Stop signs when I was supposed to, without smashing my foot on the brake, and speed control is improving...even though it's meaning that I have to go way under the speed limit (something that I'll have to prove... I refuse to drive like a little old lady but if it means going slow to gain speed control for now that's what I'll do) It's hard though to brake without screeching to a halt, otherwise it's hard to come to a full stop when you need to. I like driving in a sense, but it's so frustrating because I kind suck at it, and I like being good at everything I put a lot of effort into.

BTW I got placed into Advanced Jazz... :):) Apparently I am more talented in this type of dance than I thought :) It's funny... I'm very flexible and I do fairly well in ballet considering my inexperience... but I'm miles better in Jazz and Hip-Hop. could be the cheerleading experience... or maybe I'm just more inclined to do well in one type of genre of dance than another.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 03:40 am: Edit

Alita, D would love to dance pro in even a small ballet company but it's probably not in the cards. She's pretty good...but these days you have to be outstanding. The economy isn't helping as several well-known ballet companies are cutting dancers instead of adding or even replacing.

O71, yeah, THE GATEKEEPERS was a bucket of cold water. I don't care if some folks say it's outdated, the broad brushstroke picture is still probably pretty accurate and it's part of the reason that I scoff at all the "You're in" posts that percolate around this board.

Twinkle, I suspect you're right in that cheerleading experience is more helpful for jazz or hip-hop.

As you can see, back from vacation. D drove two 40-mile stints on major highways as well as several 8-10 mile segments. She got noticeably better in the space of just 4-5 days...needs nothing but experience.

Instead of a motel, we rented a house right on the beachfront road. The vacation was one of those bittersweet episodes where sublime happiness was so intense that it was painful because one is aware that it can't possibly last. All the more so because we're all aware that we're entering a phase of "lasts" before D goes off to college and it's never the same may even be as good but it's different. D is starting to plan her birthday for next month, probably the last "sleepover" party we'll ever have.

The grind starts up again tomorrow: SAT prep, summer reading, college essays.

Jason, got to admit, if I had to choose one class, I'd go for the AP US. What's kinda darkly ironic is that I started out life as an engineering student and was fairly good in Chem but AP US is probably the high school course I'm now most qualified to surviving students would do well on the exam. D ran into her AP US teacher at registration and was asked to think about tutoring for it this year.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 12:07 pm: Edit

I got my licesne today. Absolutely died on the parallel parking part, but otherwise I did rather well.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 12:40 pm: Edit

Congrats, O71. Parallel parking is one of those things that's a bit like's easy to do if you don't get stressed over what it's called and aren't flustered.

Twinkle, I meant to ask, you said something upthread about being bad at driving, math, and playing a musical instrument. This is *not* meant as a negative comment but have you been tested for a learning disability? There's an underlying component of spatial and temporal relationships, I think, that might be the difficulty. Fwiw, D has a mild bit of dyslexia...took her *years* to get "left" and "right" firmly nailed down and she must concentrate hard to get spellngs down, particularly of unusual names or words.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 02:04 pm: Edit

Welcome back, Thedad!:)

I know exactly what you mean about all the "lasts"; this summer vacation has been so bittersweet because I know next summer is not going to be the same; everything is going to change, and it will be different-maybe good- but it's still...weird nonetheless. It's so weird to think that the end of this week will be the start of my "last first day of school", and by this time next year, I won't even be living in the same place or spending time with the same people.

Actually, I have never been tested for a learning disability. I DO still have problems with right and left, and I can neither properly give or take directions- like turn right here, etc., etc. It took me years to learn the difference between right and left- I think I got the hang of it in 3rd or 4th grade. Actually, I still have to think about it, especially in driving, and even then I mess it up. Musical instruments baffle me too; I could never read music nor could I play an instrument- which is probably related to a spatial problem, as is with math. I've always kind of wondered about it too, but testing has never been suggested so I wouldn't know how to go about getting it. I think that it's been assumed at school that I can scrape by in math (somehow) that there isn't that much of a problem (which there is) and since I dropped out of band back in middle school, it would have never been considered to be a problem, but the whole driving dilemma seems to ring an alarm bell, lol.

This probably has something to do with why I could NEVER grasp anything in geometry, no matter what I did, and why I couldn't process trig concepts. Oddly, algebra problems, which take me longer to process and are still difficult, are something that are much more managable.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 02:40 pm: Edit

Twinkle, most districts these days are *awful* at this kind of testing. I think I would start pushing fairly urgently to try to get some even if the testing requires the outlay of some $$$. Without trying to game the system, it could be a MAJOR mitigating circumstance for your Math scores and by way of compensation make you a much more attractive candidate for some of the tougher colleges.

Gotta run...first day back is always like dealing with a tidal wave of calls and appointments.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 03:35 pm: Edit

How would I go about getting this done though? Am I just supposed to ask guidance about getting testing?

I could see how this would be helpful in justifying the relativeness lowness of my math scores- no matter how much I practice, I barely can beat a 600 math score-which kind of makes me afraid to take it again because I have a sneaking suspicion that while my verbal may creep over a 700 (those analogies ALWAYS get me- I can never draw the bridge between the words, lol, it just doesn't work for me) my math will probably go down into the mid-high 500 range.

At least some schools take the highest math and the highest verbal as a composite score.

Then again...if I did test as somehow learning disabled, then a high 500-low 600 math may not seem as bad. I am REALLY trying to boost the math score, but I guess it's not entirely my fault, lol. A certain percentage of the problems on the test are problems that I just really cannot grasp, and although I've seen them and have been told *how* to do them and I've read about how they should be done, I just can't connect it all together to make the problem work.

My new plan is to shoot for a 710-750 verbal or so and just beat my last math SAT score, even if it **is** only by 10 points.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:06 pm: Edit

I think you start by finding a developmental psychologist by asking for a referral from your...guidance counselor? phone book? county medical association? your M.D? You tell him/her what you suspect...the spatial stuff really stands out and, candidly, while it's dangerous to assume you "know" someone from on-line, it [the low math/spatial/driving stuff] seems at a variance from other parts of your affect as I experience you. A diagnostic battery should be relatively inexpensive. *Doing* anything about it could be very expensive if even possible but having an accurate, valid diagnosis would be very useful.

I am most explicitly *not* suggesting that you a see a doctor who specializes in what I regard as fraudulent "learning disorder" diagnoses to get students more time on the SAT, etc. There are quacks who do exactly're looking for the truth, not a manufactured crutch.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:20 pm: Edit

A developmental psychologist is one who works with children and problems while developing...right? (Just wanted to make sure I have that straight.) I've always been kind of suspect that there has to be some reason *why* I have spatial problems and difficulties in math- I used to chalk it up to simply being dumb in math, but by now I've come to the realization that I *can't* be dumb because I'm above average in a lot of other areas- when I do formal writing, the finished product is always great and I have a knack for languages, etc., and it's not laziness, because I really *am* trying. More effort and energy go into math than any other subject that I've ever learned.

I definitely am not looking for an excuse, which is why I'm glad you've steered me clear of going to dr's who specialize in diagnosing learning disorders because I'm not a student seeking a way to get out of doing math, or an excuse. That would be a copout. But, a valid explanation of *why* I have such low math scores and the like would probably be to my benefit. I'm wondering how adcoms would look at that, and if that is something that should be mentioned when filling out college applications. It would be a mitigating factor, but I don't want it to be seen as a copout, either. Plus, would that cause me to be put into remedial type classes at college- or even school- or would I be allowed to just keep what doing what I was/am doing and get extra help if I needed it? Hmmmm...

I'm actually glad that I don't have to drive today...:) I'm buying "supplies" for dance later, then actually staying in to get my government homework typed and finished.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 07:33 pm: Edit

That's my understanding of what a developmental psychologist is...if I'm wrong, someone along the referral path will be happy to correct you. I've found that quite often you don't need to know *exactly* who/what you need on the first guess but that if you get somewhere close you'll get redirected to the best place/person/whatever within two jumps at most.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:15 pm: Edit

yay guess whos back from college visitations. *raises hand and jumps up and down!* ooo oo ME!!!! hahaha wow school starts tomorrow :(

i know this is completely O/T but i dont have much time to type.

i think im going to go with Princeton ED, MIT EA, CWRU EA...and if i dont get into Pton (highly highly probable), my 2nd choice would be Cornell. Yale was disappointing, because i had heard so much good stuff about it, and after Cornell and Princeton, it just didnt match up. Harvard was just blahhhhhh..too much red brick. i hated UPenn because i hate Philadelphia and the city. i liked MIT a lot for no reason at all, except i felt "good" there.

wow this whole post was random. i need to go to bed sometime soon...

Princeton ED...i would have NEVER guessed a month ago. you learn a lot from visiting!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:53 pm: Edit

Welcome back, Sunshine. Yeah, I think visits are the best thing in the world for the process. Columbia had been D's #1 on paper and is now totally off the list, for instance.

Not looking to argue but what disappointed you about Yale?

D thought Harvard was a little on the stuffy side..."but not as bad as I thought it would be."

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 11:38 pm: Edit

Thanks thedad! I will definitely look into that- because it would be helpful to at least know if I was/wasn't. I DID get extra time for math tests last year- my math teacher was so cool about it and he knew that I needed extra time to figure things out and process them, so I was allowed to come in after school to finish tests so I wouldn't have to rush through them. But this year may be different... not that I would be demanding extra time but if a teacher offers it, I'm more than glad to take it.

Sunshine!!! Welcome back!!! Do give more detail about the schools you visited, especially Yale and Cornell!:)

I can't wait to do visits in September/October... hopefully:)

BTW, do you know the "cutoff" point where there is no point in retaking the SAT II? I want to redo Writing (660) and math IC (560), but I don't know if I should bother redoing the US History one (720). The difference between a 720 and 750 I don't know if it would matter.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 12:03 am: Edit

I don't know. The difference is miniscule but a 720 is...really annoying.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 12:13 am: Edit

Hmmm...I dunno thedad...annoying like when you get an 89.49 for the semester in a class and your teacher won't round it up? I like my 720 *a lot* and since I've never gone over a 700 on any standardized test, I was pretty content with it until I realized that 700+ scores are very, very, common for kids who are applying to top schools, so it made me reconsider the score, and retaking the test. I guess it couldn't hurt, but I was also considering the option of NOT retaking it and doing like the Spanish SAT II instead, so my Math IC is not one of the top three scores for colleges that do not require a math SAT II but simply require 3 SAT II's... a 500ish SAT II score must look totally dreadful to adcoms.

Blah...back to English hw.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 02:40 am: Edit

Yes, annoying like getting an 89.49.

750 seems to be the psychological bar for the top schools. D has got one at 760 and is re-taking two others; one of them she punted by missing seven minutes due to a case of, ah, excitable enchiladas from the night before.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 03:06 am: Edit tired... must go to bed after doing some majorly extensive homework.

I suppose I'll redo the SAT II U.S. History- but then again- if none of my scores are in that range it may not make that much of a difference. I don't know- if I was an adcom, if I saw a kid with one semi-outstanding score with average/below average other scores, as compared to a kid who had around the same scores but lacked a 700+, I wouldn't view them as **that** entirely different. It's kind of like getting all C's in high school and then one A.

Not that I won't retake it just out of curiosity :) I have an odd drive to beat a 750 *just because* I'm not that far from it.

Another SAT practice test today btw that I hadn't mentioned--- a 730 verbal :)!! (That's the highest ever for me... so I was freaking out when the score was figured out) And um... a 570 math ...which would be a composite 1300.

If I can at least get a 1300, then I'll at least qualify for more scholarships...that seems to be a very common cutoff point and I'm only 10 points away from it from last SAT I testing in May. I don't even need to score a 1300 in a single administration; I could just get a 620 on the next math portion. Of course, I'd much rather see a 20-50 jump on each section, but I'm not placing false hope on things that will probably not happen. I could see scoring a 730 on the actual verbal, though :) Which is always a nice feather to have in my cap.

I'm actually semi-excited for school to start this week... not that I enjoy the workload but there is something so enticing about the first month of school, when everything is so fresh and new and you actually bring pencils to class and all of your binders (by January I'm so redlined that I operate on the folder system- one folder per class, all work for each class goes into the folder lol) and get excited about wearing new shoes and clothes. LOL, I should write an essay about how getting dressed for school and wearing something really awesome motivates me to go and do well in school (to an extent). It would make an interesting essay... I am one of those people who *always* gets dressed up for school. I have everything planned out for when we go back, from the shoes down to exactly how I want my hair to look. Yes... I DID mall-crawl the other day for the whole day... but it was worth it, especially since I don't go *that* much, and plus, it was exercise. I bet I burned at least 400 calories, plus I picked up on some really good deals on clothes.

Hmmm... I think I'm going way off topic :):) So I'm going to bed so I can wake up at eight or so... goodnight!

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 04:17 pm: Edit

Welcome back Sunshine. Interesting to see you want to go to Princeton, considering you were so hXc for Cornell back in the day.


and get excited about wearing new shoes and clothes.

That's interesting. If you look at me, you'd have seen a gradual lack of giving a damn as the years went by. Sophmore year- stopped doing my hair, Junior year- didn't really care what I wore (I naturally have pretty nice clothes, so this wasn't a big problem). Now, as a Senior, I really don't care what others think of me. First half of the year is all business for grades, and the second half is slacking off. Too bad, considering I have 6 AP classes, more-or-less my ticket to "sophmore standing".

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 04:23 pm: Edit

O71, what *does* HxC mean?

LOL, it seems as the years have progressed in high school, I've gotten more and more into the whole clothing/accessory/hair thing. First of all, I will openly admit that I am the girl who makes herself late to class for a mirror check. I'm not conceited; I just want to make sure that I look good. I was less picky about what I wore freshman year than what I wear now.

But what you've described sounds like a lot of my classmates... people who used to get dressed up for school have become avid sweats/t-shirts wearers on a regular basis. I like dressing up for school though. I think it's fun and it gives my mood a little boost. Plus, dressing up just makes me so much more confident for whatever reason... a bad hair day and shirt that just doesn't fit right absolutely drives me crazy. I think I may dye my hair tomorrow night so when I go back the next day I surprise everyone :) Then again, I'm getting my hair cut the day after, so it would be kinddd of a dumb plan...

BTW, congratulations on taking enough APs to be eligible for sophomore standing, I sincerely hope you get it :) Wow.. .think of all the money you're going to save:)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 04:56 pm: Edit

I wouldn't use sophomore standing to save money/time as much as I would to take more electives. Wrest the most from your college experience, don't truncate it.

I've never been much of one for clothes, either wearing or looking at, to the point where I'm one of the more casually dressed in my business: slacks (sometimes even Dockers) and long-sleeved shirt with open collar. If I have to wear a tie or otherwise do wear one, it's usually both silk and interesting. I get by with about three pair of shoes: black business, brown casual, running/walking.

071, well skewer me through the scuppers: for some reason, I'd always pegged you as male. Don't worry, I "crossed" at least 3-4 of the parents, too.

>> ...late to class for a mirror check.

Twinkle, Twinkle, Twinkle................

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 05:04 pm: Edit


071, well skewer me through the scuppers: for some reason, I'd always pegged you as male. Don't worry, I "crossed" at least 3-4 of the parents, too.

Yes, I'm indeed a male. Males can talk about fashion too...I hope. :-)


I wouldn't use sophomore standing to save money/time as much as I would to take more electives. Wrest the most from your college experience, don't truncate it.

Exactly. I'm going to stay at college for 4 years, regardless. I'm also going to double major (in two unrelated fields -at least for now-), so I'm hoping it will get me out of requirements and give me some elbow room to pursue both majors without staying for 5 years.

By Momof2 (Momof2) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 05:06 pm: Edit

Thedad: LOL "...about three pair of shoes..." That's exactly how many pairs my husband found missing after installing S#1 at college. Sad thing is, he took S#2's favorite church shoes and he is bummed. You see, the non-sneaker shoes in Dad's closet always come Matched and (semi-) Polished!

Guess you won't have that problem with D.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 06:03 pm: Edit

I actually like it when males talk about fashion... it's not purely a girl thing by no means. And... eh-hem... I have a mild shoe fetish, lol. I have a lot of shoes, but not as many pairs as one of my best friends who has 46 (!!??!?!) pairs of shoes which is just crazy! :) Then again, in English class freshman year I read this article that there is a political figure in the Philippines who owns over 3,000 pairs of shoes... I seriously doubt that she even has worn them all. Her shoes sound like they've become collector's pieces at that point, rather than footwear. And some of her shoes are Jimmy Choos, which are literally impossible to wear for extended periods of time.

I must admit that I do have many garments, but not an inordinately crazy amount. I also like shopping a lot and I do kind of get a rush from buying things... :) Not that I do it THAT often, because I don't have the money all the time. Plus I have mastered buying things RIGHT when they go on sale... I learned my lesson that year back to school shopping when I only ended up with a couple new things because I bought everything full price. I refuse to do that unless it's something I really want and I know that they will probably run out of it in my size. (One maneuver that sometimes works is "hiding" the shirt or whatever... sometimes I'll do that so no one else will buy it if I can't get it that day but somehow it ends up being bought anyway).

Oops. I'm ranting again!:)

Less than *2* weeks until dance... I'm so psyched :)

Thedad... LOL... that is one of my super-annoying habits/flaws. Punctuality is honestly not one of my best, um, traits. I have to set all the clocks in my house ahead by 15 minutes if I want to get to school on time. I must admit that I'd rather show up to class knowing that I looked okay rather than sitting there going insane the whole time obsessing over something that mayyy be off. (some of our teachers are very anti-bathroom break).

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 06:19 pm: Edit

First off everyone seems to be asking me about visitations, especially Cornell & Yale. i talked extensively about them in my online journal, but ill give a condensed version since i dont want to bore u guys AND i have a mountain of hw on the first day (i guess thats what you get from 6 AP classes...)

geez i still LOVE the place. the campus is GORGEOUS as usual. the bad thing about the tour was that it doesnt take you to North Campus where the freshman live and to the gorges and waterfalls right nearby. it walks you through the main quads and thats about all they have time for. the campus is HUGE as well, so i got a bit lost, but it is just really pretty. i LOVE how its on top of a big hill and so isolated from life. i think thast the reason that most people hate it. im not a city girl so Ithaca is a great place for me. i also have friends in the area so its even better. the academics there are great if you wanna go into pre-med, engineering, architecture, hotel management, or any of the hard sciences or english. i dont know, their academics are top-knotch. their admissions isnt too scary. i can post a detailed class of 07 score/admittance analysis i got if anyone cares (just tell me if u do). i decided to pursue biological engineering for a pre-med major because im such a hardcore math and science freak and EVERYONE is interested in biology so scratch that. My dad actually videotaped every school we visited (something like 10...) and just looking back at all of them, Cornell is one of the most gorgeous, if not THE most gorgeous of the schools. you get such a feeling of peace when you are there, adn the people are really nice. I know they started last Friday (freshman orientation). i cant really describe it but its one of MY best matches and i would be thrilled to go there. if u guys are interested, go take a visit. it'll be better now that people are actually on campus. it's just astonishingly beautiful there. the only drawback (which doesnt bug me at all) is the lack of city life. however, with an undergrad population of 13,000 i think there will always be a lot to do and many new people to meet!

TheDad, i found Yale disappointing because everyone kept raving about how beautiful it was. After going to Cornell and Princeton, both absolutely stunningly gorgeous, Yale was just ehhhh. I spent the whole tour expecting to turn the corner and see this great gothic architecture and feel as if i were in a storybook. when the tour ended, i was confused because i hadnt seen ANYTHING resembling what everyone had told me. maybe my eyes tricked me, and it could have been that i woke up at 6 AM that morning to leave for Yale and we ended up missing the first tour so we had to sit around New Haven for 4 hours til the next one. it just wasnt stunning. New Haven isnt as bad as everyone says it is. Its not GREAT, but its not HORRIBLE. Now that i looked back at the video, Yale does have some nice buildings and i know their academics are also top-knotch. the people there seemed nice, although they hadnt started yet, and i really do like the location. Its just that i think after seeing Princeton and Cornell which are my best two fits, Yale didnt cut it for me. i think it would be my 3rd choice after Pton and Cornell. it was just a combination of a bad day and my boredom of college tours (it was something like the 6th one we went to). it's a great school, but i just didnt' feel as "at home" as i did at Cornell and Pton. I honestly do recommend it though. I was initially going to apply Yale EA, and if it werent for Princeton, i still would. I dont have anything really bad to say about it, except it wasnt as great and magnificent as i expected. It kind of let me down.

0713-yeah what does hXc mean? lol. i still LOVE cornell, dont get me wrong. i initially didnt even WANT to visit pton, but my aunt lives like half an hour away and we were staying with her so my dad dragged me. once i got there, i didnt want to leave. i think it beats Cornell by a smidge, but i dont have a great shot of getting in.

Honestly, i think im going to get deferred and rejected at both Princeton ED and MIT EA. Because im a girl, a math nerd, and a Cornell freak, i honestly feel that this time next year, i will be part of Cornell's graduating class of 08 as a biological engineering major, and i would be totally thrilled if that were the case.

one of my best friends at school took my advice, visited Cornell, and fell in love with it. just...VISIT. its a great way to learn!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

O71, urr, ah...yes. And I'm actually paradoxical in that while I don't put a lot of effort into fashion, I grimly avoid the stamped-out businessman look. Today's shirt, forex, is Chinese red...I don't have a white shirt to my name, though I could see a white-on-white shirt for social occasions.

Mo2, fortunately, D and I have different shoe sizes as well. Though we look a cross between camp and fetching when we both wear identical gray Greek fisherman's caps. Hmm...between camp and fetching. Yes, that would call it...I used to look remarkably like Harrison it's more like Johnny Depp.

Twinkle, I lack the shopping gene. Usually I just buy. Crossed everyone up in Santa Fe when in a kitchen supply store I found these great bowls and a pitcher made in Barcelona...had 'em shipped home, too.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 06:33 pm: Edit

Thedad, I wonder if the shopping gene is actually a gene, or if it is rather the result of nurture rather than nature.

Luckily, I do not have the problem of anyone sharing shoes in my house... or my taking anyone's shoes. I have very small feet, around a size four in childrens and a size 5 in shoes for special occasions like prom and stuff, so even side from my family, I've almost never shared shoes with anyone else, at least not within the past few years.

I still have neglected to do regular school supply shopping... oops. As long as I bring some paper, a pen/pencil and a calculator (I have both physics and calc on my first day back) I think it will be fine. I used to set up binders organized by section, etc., etc. but I think I'm going straight to the folder system this year, lol. :)

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 09:32 pm: Edit

hXc = hardcore. Kind of like a mocking joke at the sXe-ers (straightedge).

Sunshine, any more stuff about Cornell that you have, please either post it or E-mail it. It would be much appreciated.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 09:39 pm: Edit

Great post, Sunshine. I'd appreciate it if you made your follow-ups public.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 11:13 pm: Edit

Sunshine-- thank you for being my virtual tour guide! LOL. Any other info you could tell us would be AWESOME; I know you're extremely busy already so whenever you make your follow-ups is great:)

OMG... I just realized **how** unprepared I am for school this fall. Oh well...somehow I can't get into the mood for going back to school and even looking at notebook paper and textbooks again. I mean, I DO like learning. I don't mind doing work. I just can't really explain what it is. I feel like I've lost all my motivation... school's in less than 48 hours and I've got almost all my homework done, but I didn't even bother getting school supplies or anything. It was almost like why bother? I don't understand this at all, but maybe it will change once I go back to school :/ Or maybe it's because I just realized that this is my last real summer as a kid and once I go back to school, everything is going to change, and plus it's weird all over again because not only are all the seniors leaving for college, but our class is seniors now...hmmm...

By Isacc (Isacc) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 12:34 am: Edit

sunshine...i agree with your love of cornell..son did 3 weeks this summer in high school program..absolutely stunning and he enjoyed the prof also..north campus had some new dorms ..he learned the bus sustem..collegetown a little rundown but the mall was newer..ithaca commons very hippie/grundge?..
princeton a little sparse on open areas with tons of construction going on.could never hear the tour guide..did not like freshman dorms butting up to busy street..great new student center..
if princeton too quirky on admissions and u end up at cornell it would be an amazing 4 years..

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 02:01 pm: Edit

Hmmm... YAY! I have finally finished all of my homework :) 17 hours left :/ Why can't we just start after Labor Day? It's a plan to kill our summer prematurely:(

Should I start asking teachers for recommendations this month? October seems kind of...late. Do they fill out a form for each school or can they just write one recommendation and I can attach it to the sheet each time?

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 03:27 pm: Edit

Starting school before Labor Day is Communist.

The S.O.P. for recs is to give the teacher the form (they can attach an additional narrative) and a stamped pre-addressed envelope for *each* school they're writing a rec for. Forms vary if the school or you isn't using the Common App. Colleges aren't going to weigh recs you attach (that you've seen) as highly as recs that have come directly from the teachers.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 03:37 pm: Edit

Eek... I'm *not* done with my hw... I just realized that I have a little bit more to do for AP English. But thats okay, it's not anything I can't get done within an hour's time or so.

I think it's just wrong to start school before Labor Day, but every year we start the Thursday before, which makes no sense whatsoever. Why not start Monday and go from there if they *really* must insist on making us go back before Labor Day? At least none of my ECs start tomorrow, so I can probably go to the mall after school if I can swing a ride down because I never finish back to school shopping... plus we're on the block schedule, and if I don't have that much HW on the first day, I don't really have to get it done until Tuesday (Friday is the 2nd day of the schedule, then long weekend, then Tuesday's back to the first day of the schedule...) I guess I'll see what happens. Tomorrow is my super-hard day, Friday is my easier day. I have my three hardest subjects, Calc, Physics and English on the same day, and my three best subjects, Government, Psych and Spanish on the same day. I swear that happens every year. Last year I had English, precal,chem on the same day, with Psych, AP US History, Spanish on the same day. So every other day is super-hard, where the other days are still hard, but not as bad.

So I can't see my recommendations? I'm kind of curious... I wonder if I could see them before they were stuffed in the pre-addressed envelopes before they were sent out without anyone saying anything about it.. I know they're more legit if the student doesn't see them, but I'm dying to know just what a teacher would say about me to a prospective college.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 06:17 pm: Edit

hmmmmmmm i will do follow ups of all my schools sometime this weekend. sorrrrrrrry but 6 APs are killing me. we already have 3 projects and i have 4 papers due monday, 2 tests tomorrow, and AHHHHHHH *faints*

i only did 6 REAL TOURS of the schools, and 4 we just passed by and looked around (lack of time). i will definitely get those up though. i think i will also post it in the College Visits thread that (i think) is still up in the Parents Forum in case any of them care :) i havnet had time to peruse this site lately.

overall, the schools were all great, but they are so different that nobody would feel right at ALL of them. thats why i think visiting is so important. i will give u my thoughts though ASAP...including the Cornell stuff 071 asked for.

eeeeeek sorry but AP Bio, AP Enviro Sci, AP Calc BC, and AP French are killin me at the moment. i heard that our calc hw takes 2 hours tonight. *dies*

i really do have the BEST schedule though this year with almost ALL of my friends in at least 4-5 classes, the BEST locker, the BEST teachers, and the BEST and MOST INTERESTING classes ever, so this is going to be a great year overall.

the workload is a bit unbearable though...

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 07:04 pm: Edit

That sucks that the work is hard. I also have 6 AP classes, but at least I know one of them is a complete and utter joke (AP Macro). We'll see how it is on Wednesday, I'm afraid.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 07:12 pm: Edit

Good luck. 6 AP classes? Yikes. You're a better man than I am/was.

Sunshine, the "College Visits" thread is up to "Part 3"...kinda like Twinkle's thread but different.

Twinkle: curiosity killed the cat. Even teachers aren't going to write as useful recs if they think you're going to see them. Uncurl the fingers...let 'em go...relax....

By Texan (Texan) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 07:49 pm: Edit

hey by any chance does anyone know anything about RICE...cuz i really want to know if i can make into there....if i can get some help it would be great!!! ( posting was "Rice Admissions!" under 'What are my chances?')

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 08:01 pm: Edit


Good luck. 6 AP classes?

Throw in 2 community college courses on top of that.


By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:05 am: Edit

Sigh... wow... I definitely don't want to go back to school. I've been going around the house for the past 45 minutes acting like a balky little kid because I'm dreading just being swamped with tons of things to do. Although, I cannot imagine having SIX AP courses, 071 and Sunshine... that is just an insane workload. If I had that many AP courses available to me, I don't even know if I would take the challenge of having that many APs. I have 3-5 (AP English is essentially 2 APs and Psych may or may not be AP)and that is driving me absolutely crazy as it is... plus calc and physics. I want to drop calc very, very badly, but I'm giving it the 1-quarter rule. If it's runing my life by the beginning of November, then I'm dropping it. :)

Sunshine... good luck with completing all of that homework, that is CRAZY for the beginning of the school year. You have a locker at school? That must be so incredibly helpful, you don't have to lug your books around all day then if you don't want to. I've tried to remedy the fact that I do not have a locker by randomly dropping off books around strategic points in the building, but it never works... lol. But now all of my friends drive, so I can always put my books in someone's car until I need them.

Thedad, darn... I was excited about seeing my lovely letters of recommendation, but I guess I will never get to now. I have an idea of what they could say, but I will never get to know what they really think of me. Oh well. I want the best darned recommendations possible, and if that's what I have to do to get them, I will.

Hmmmm... I don't think I've lost any weight yet on this diet plan... but then again I don't have my scale anymore so I really wouldn't know, would I? LOL.

I got a Brown application in the mail today...very interesting...I noticed that they are into a LOT of teacher recommendations.

BTW, if dance is an EC at a college, what would that entail usually?

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 02:51 am: Edit

Twinkle, you will gain major maturity points by not asking to see your recs. *Everyone* will know that you will want to see them. If a teacher volunteers to give you a copy, without any prompting or hinting from you, that's another matter...take it.

Ballet at both Harvard and Stanford is an take classes, you do just don't get any college credit for it.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 02:54 am: Edit

Btw, D is dreading AP Calculus BC. You would hate me as a parent: dropping it isn't an option. With your shield or upon it. However, if she gets a "B" I won't flip out. I'd be glum about a "C" but that's the breaks.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:22 am: Edit

I didn't go BC. I suck at math. I went AB instead. But I heard the teacher I'm going to have this year is amazing, so I'm not too worried about it.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:50 am: Edit

Well, that's another matter. But D barely missed an "A" in Pre-Calc/CalcA and her teacher said, "Nope, you belong in BC, not AB." There are only two sections of BC, compared to around 5-6 of the start of the sequence with 9th-grade Honors Geometry. If nothing else, she's proud of being a survivor. English...History...I'd expect her to be at or near the top of the class. But she's not a "natural" at math and I'm happy if she survives in fairly good order.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 07:06 pm: Edit

I wouldn't hate you as a parent if I was your kid because your daughter is in Calc BC. And imo, that is quite an accomplishment. My mother would like me to take calc... but only if I want to do it. And honestly, we have both agreed that if it weren't for college admissions, I wouldn't have even bothered putting myself from the same torture again this year. Math homework takes up an inordinate amount of my time, and usually I don't know what I am doing either because it confuses the living daylights out of me. Anyway, my parents are okay with letting me drop classes (I've never dropped a core class) because I need to do what is going to be best for me. My mother expects me to be in AP Govt, English and Spanish- if I want to- I mean more along the lines of doing well in these classes... if I didn't take them it wouldn't be the biggest deal... but physics and calc enter that gray area where if I dropped either it would really be okay with her. I more than meet her expectations, so I don't have anything to worry about in that department. She'd like me to be valedictorian this year, but she realizes this may/may not happen and even if my class rank drops it doesn't matter, as long as I do the best that *I* can. I can see how expectations can vary from kid to kid, lol. She finds the fact that I'm taking calc to be very commendable, so it would be okay if I dropped it... which I really would love to do right now. I'm so tempted to. My other classes went fine though. I love my English teacher, and we have a good class too, and physics isn't so bad. Our teacher throws stuff around and explains motion and things related to physics so it's not so bad, and I like our class. I got my independent study tomorrow, so I'm excited about that... tomorrow is my less difficult day :) I also have a period free so that means I can go out for an hour and a half... YAY!!!! We have so much AP English HW though... it's crazy for the 1st day, but everything else about the class is so swell, so I don't mind the work load as much.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 08:05 pm: Edit

Nutcracker auditions were today. Film at 11. Gotta go buy back-to-school our district, school doesn't start until next Wednesday. shall we enjoy the weekend?

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:03 am: Edit

I'm so psyched for AP English though, not so much for the reading, but just because I want to become an awesome writer and develop my own writing voice. bad would it look if I just decided... hey, guess what, I'm not taking calc anymore? Or would colleges look down upon it and see it as a good reason to reject me? This seems obvious, but I'm just wondering how much of an impact that calc could/will have, and it's just unnecessary torture at this point. I really am a lot further behind everyone else, and if I'm already this confused, then I don't know what I'm going to do. Grr... I'm not trying to get out of this or beat an already dead subject into the ground, and the obvious solution would be just to drop it and take something that I could actually handle, but no math senior year just doesn't look good- even though I already HAVE four years worth of math credits.

How did the Nutcracker auditions go? Do tell!:) What film are you talking about:)?

I still haven't yet to buy back to school supplies... a good look around at my classmates tells me that they haven't gotten around to it either... so I figure I still have some time. As long as I have a binder, some paper, pen/pencil, and a calculator, then I'm fine. I don't think I'm going to bother with a backpack this year or a messenger bag... I already have enough problems with my wrists and carrying something that weighs 21 pounds simply doesn't help it. Then again, physically carrying books doesn't help either, but I'll have 2 books and a binder every day or so, so that isn't *too* terrible... I'll figure out something.

Hmmm...I will be enjoying my weekend reading a whole book, writing an essay, doing independent study work, and other random homework assignments... I got a good portion squared away tonight. But there is always the Labor Day unofficial blowout party to look forward to, along with back to school clothes shopping, so I have some fun things to look forward to:)

Oddly, I found physics to be kind of interesting, thedad... I'm surprised. I may change my mind once the mathematical/word equation part comes in, but the theoretical parts are pretty interesting. I'm not even too worried about the mathematical component; our physics class is primarily algebra based and when trig functions are necessary, we were assured that we would review them in great detail (LOL... I breathed a mental sigh of relief) I actually sat in that class,answered questions-correctly- and felt substantially smart.

That was the big shocker of the day (aside from our more tightly enforced dress code).

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:20 am: Edit

"Film at 11" is what they on TV stations to hype their news programs.

Glad to hear there's a tight dress code...I think dresses *should* be tight.

Regarding Calc, I would answer thus: I think dropping it would be the final nail in the coffin for your chances of getting into the most competitive schools.

There are too many students who are just as brilliant at the verbal stuff and don't have the deficit with math. Or so I think...this is my take.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:22 am: Edit

Fwiw, Calc BC is not a course that I would have enjoyed having to take...and I had a 746 on my SAT I math, which probably equates to a 760-770 today. It's a damned hard course.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 01:09 am: Edit

Thedad,it sounds like I've already buried myself in regards to applying to colleges, and all that's left is the last shovelful of dirt to completely close the hole.

This makes me wonder...why even bother at this point? I mean, I am really beginning to see how much of a long shot I am for the most competitive and highly competitive colleges. I bet that taking calc won't even make a difference to them at that point. I mean, I do agree and see your point why colleges want to see kids with calc. I'm just beginning to wonder if my candidacy is already so shot that I could discover a new element or invent the cure for the common cold and STILL get rejected.

There is always that little chance of maybe, but there is the part of me that doesn't want to waste my parents'-and my-money applying to schools that I will get into either when A. Hell freezes over or B. An adcom closes his eyes and reaches into the stack of applicants and loudly exclaims, "The student of whatever application I am now picking up is now automatically accepted into our school!"

Hmmm... I dunno... strong verbal, non-existent math...wouldn't that qualify as well lopsided? Just kidding, but I just feel like I've done everything in my power to make this work for me and yet I'm going to lose out in the end anyway. I've fought this math battle since the 7th grade trying to catch up to everyone else so I could fulfill my dream of going to a great school, and it's exactly what is going to come back to bite me in the end. The fact that I have low Math SAT I and II scores, along with no AP maths whatsoever is going to turn a potentially good application into a waste of ink and paper. Sure, if I were a college, I'd take the great-math/great-verbal student any day over great verbal/low math or low verbal/great math. It makes more sense... however, if the kid with a great math/low verbal score was pursuing a degree, in let's say, mathematics, or something of that nature, or was very focused on something mathematically related, it would be more of a mitigating factor.

I used to be of the school of thought that extreme effort counted for something, but it doesn't matter how hard you try. It's about how you perform. It's about how much you can produce. A college doesn't care if you slaved over your stupid math homework for 2+ hours straight every night or studied insane hours for a test if you're not performing at the standard that they want you to meet.

I can see where they stand on this and it really DOES make sense, even from my viewpoint. But it makes it hard for me to truly agree with them because subscribing entirely to that theory would destroy whatever chance that I **did** have left.'s great... I also support a tight dress code. Our school's dress code is getting stricter, for whatever reason, but it doesn't mean that I don't enjoy violating it every now and then. :) (Some of the rules are PRETTY stupid... some of the rules are obvious like don't wear a swimsuit top to class, but then others that argue over skirt length are just arbitrary and thus I choose to pretend like they don't exist. Oops. So I'm a rebel. ;))

You got a *gasp* score that would be equivalent to a 760-770 math??? You are practically a math genius. I remember your post awhile back about being in like 5th semester calculus or something of that sort... all I can say is WOW because I have an incredible reverance for people who are extremely good at math.

BTW, I just struck a deal with the AP calc group at my school... I will lend them my writing skills in the form of reworking a paper and/or my grand Spanish translations and in return, I get math tutoring/someone to sit down with me and explain my math homework to me. Hopefully this will work...we're all so strapped for time that this will be hard to maneuver, but it definitely would help, so I guess I'll stick out the class at least for the quarter and if I'm not flunking out by then, I'll keep going. I sincerely hate it, but there is nothing else to do at this point, except suck it up and slave away.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:00 am: Edit

Whether you drop BC or not, pursue the testing for learning disability. It's important that *you* know what the real story is and it could be important that an *adcom* know what the real, documentable story is.

No, alas, I am demonstrably not a math genius. There are points where the abstractions become too abstruse. I do tend to see the world more mathematically than most people, with distribution curves, probability density functions, matrices, etc. abounding everywhere...but push come to shove, it's not really at all that high a level of mathematics. All of which explains why I laugh at rankings and people who become over-absorbed in them.

I remember when I was in my mathematical prime, back in engineering school, being able to see a far distance...not in any way to the frontiers of mathematics but a goodly distance still...and then the fog would close in. Now, my D is operating in terrain that would baffle me completely though I think I'd still be pretty cunning in applications of some mathematics, as in figuring out approaches to science problems. See also, "age and treachery beats youth and talent."


It pains me to say but absent a glowing mitigation about the math via learning disability, you might be right about surrendering on the topmost schools. But not by much: give the "A" schools a pass but apply to the A- and B+ schools. As near as I can tell, you do have a lot going for you and, as cliched as it gets on this board, it really is about fit.

More about Nutcracker auditions later...for Level VII, it's anticlimactic and much won't be determined for some time, such as who is doing what solos, etc.

The happy/sad group to watch was the Level IV/Level V group. First they pulled out the 20 kids for Party Scene, including triple-cast Claras. The Claras weren't formally announced but it was obvious who they were.

Then they pulled out eight dancers who were good but are too tall for Party Scene...they're the Crystal Bells (a role found only in Westside's version), the top non-pointe role.

What's left are the Mice, the Angels, and the side girls for Russian...none of which are very good dancing roles. They're sorta the leftovers and most of them know it, especially if it's their second year in the role. Some of them are stuck by accidents of Fate, such as being too tall compared to how well they dance, i.e., they've had a growth spurt such that most of the other people their height are older, more experienced, and dance better and are going to ace them out for other roles at that height. And some of them simply aren't very good. And their option is to suck it up and do the best performance they can. Last year it was rather remarkable...the Russians (a group still on flat) attacked their piece and performed comparatively better than their more talented peers in Level VI who were dancing Peppermint on pointe.
The Mice at least get to have fun in the battle scene fighting on the side of the Mouse King against Clara and the Nutcracker Prince. The Angels...the Angels...sigh...such a deadly dull role with only a bit of character dancing.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:55 pm: Edit

LOL, I'm not even in AB, let alone BC. I have um... calc honors but I think it's probably your daughter's equivalent of Calc A (I'm not sure what they covered in there but I will take that chance in guessing)...we don't cover as much as AB because we can't go as fast as them. I can't think about whether to drop it or not because then there's the annoying problem of "okay, what do I take to fill in this empty period" since we're required a certain amount of credits per year- even if we have surplus from years past, and without calc, I'd be deficient a credit for the year...meaning I'd need to find another academic class because since I'm not into the whole art thing (I love drawing, but not the way the school tries to make us do it- way too structured, and any other types of art I'm a total failure at...well maybe not painting but I was a complete waste of space in pottery), we all know I'm not musically inclined, and I'm not bothering with an elective like environmental science because I don't care about rocks and dirt. Sure, there are more interesting aspects, but I'd be bored. Hmmm... there is anatomy, which would be better than calc (even though I'm not in love with dissecting a baby pig...but hey that's life) in so many ways, at least for me anyway, but I mind as well keep the math class and fail out. At least I know I attempted it; it's just going to be one of those things where you wait and see what happens. I just...ugh... I know I don't like even being in the class and I'm already dreading it.

I *do* plan on pursuing the LD testing/documentation... I can honestly say that it's not even a question any more of whether I am or am not... it's more getting it documented by a professional and going from there. The thing is, if I did get documented, am I just supposed to go to the math teacher that is writing my recommendation and be like... um... I have a learning disability? Because that would influence how he wrote the recommendation, and he is already well aware and deeply impressed by the fact that I scraped through the class tooth-and-nail and ended up with one of the only A's in the class (Haha...that was the real shocker... we had math geniuses in our class too, but then again I had a small bit of hand holding, especially through tests, and I was given extra time, 80% of the time to complete tests/quizzes) but I don't want it to be the focal point of the recommendation, either. I don't want to make it like I'm trying to find an "excuse" for my math deficit, either.

Why does this have to be *so* tricky? I know that the math recommendation will be absolutely stellar if everything goes to plan because there is no way it can't be, unless for some odd reason it focuses on the deficit instead of the more adcom-friendly points, because then that begs the question "Then why the heck what was this kid doing in an honors class in the 1st place?". Under normal circumstances, that should have never been allowed- most teachers would have given me the boot by October because I ask sooo many questions and make math teachers give me alternate explanations because I can't make heads or tails of most ways to approach a math problem. I need baby steps, color coding, side notes, etc., etc. The whole darned works, and even then, *that* doesn't always work. But anyway my math teacher was just simply awesome and had me previously, and my class didn't mind my stupidity because I was friends with all of them except for this one idiot boy who would make rude remarks, but math is sincerely the only thing that he is good at, so I decided not to take it *too* personally. (Plus I told him off too, lol. No one says anything to me and gets away with it)

Which is where the whole other factors going for me comes into the picture... I'm not even so sure of what those are anymore. In the grand scheme of things, I shouldn't feel too bad that the only true thing that I'm awful at is math, but when you're up against kids who are good at everything, it makes you doubt your abilities and just *what* you truly excel/stand out in and how much of what you've accomplished truly matters when it comes down to the nitty-gritty process of admissions.

The schools I really seem to get into are the so-called "A" schools- not for prestige reasons or anything but just because I sincerely like some of them. I do understand what you mean about A-/B+ schools. Now, not to sound like I'm being snotty but I mean... if kids with B+'s and stuff get into them, then I could have gotten B+'s all through high school and probably have been in the same place. I would probably be a good fit at a A-/B+ school, but it just bugs me that I could have been getting lower grades and have still probably have had a good shot at getting in.

Thedad... even genius has its limits, so of course you were bound to get foggy headed at some point. LOL. I am still holding you to that title... I don't care... anyone who is good enough at math to be in multiple semester calc is some kind of a math genius, or at least, very, very intelligent in the mathematical field. Just the ability to process those kinds of concepts is simply astounding, let alone being able to solve the problems. But... that's just my opinion. :)

Good post about the Nutcracker auditions, be sure to let us all know what part your daughter gets!:) I'm taking a trip down to the video store sometime this weekend to get a working tape of the Nutcracker... then I will be able to actually see the characters/parts you described and understand how/why each part is given to lower or higher level dancers... psyched:) Less than 2 weeks until dance... I'm definitely, definitely looking forward to it. It's become one of my very favorite things and I really want to go farther in it. I'm nervous/psyched for advanced jazz because I'm being placed with girls who have done this for 10+ years, but I'm so excited because I got placed much higher than I could have ever imagined. I'm definitely not on their level, mostly for lack of experience, but the instructors saw a lot of potential along with the willingness to try to meet the demands of the class, so it was decided that it would be given a shot. But ballet is still my favorite though... back to ballet one again this year... but I don't care, as long as I can dance.

BTW- one question? Do detentions go on your record when you send out your application materials to college? No particular reason, just wondering...

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 04:20 pm: Edit

i get an average of an hour of Calc BC homework a night. its NOTTTTT fun adn math is my best subject.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:22 pm: Edit

Policy for detentions on transcripts varies by school. And just what have we been up to, Ms. Twinkle? Hmmm? (And let's not have that old "I was asking for a friend" shtick.)

By A-/B+ school, I mean a school that rates at that point on the scale of schools, not the GPA of the kids who go there. E.g., a Smith vs. a Wellesley vs. a Harvard/Yale. There are maybe 10-20 schools that you might rule out as being a bridge too far, starting with the Ivy League and adding Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Northwestern, maybe Tufts, tanford....

By Andrew05 (Andrew05) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:35 pm: Edit

Gotta love that "tanford". Go for that, maybe they will overlook the detention you received for pricking the hemophiliac back in the 9th grade...

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 01:18 am: Edit

Thedad, I'm not the type that would be like "I'm just asking for a friend", lol, I was most definitely asking for myself. It's not hard to get nailed with a detention or two or twelve (not my case though) at my school and some teachers hand them out as if they were Halloween candy. There are a lot of reasons why you can get detention. Let's see... I had one for not handing in a homework update on time... I legitimately left it in my binder for the other day of block scheduling...let's see... oh yeah...not showing up for study hall. I kind of forgot to sign out sometimes. If I even enter, though, it's so hard to get out of there. I hate study hall so much. You get *nothing* accomplished in there. I'm better off taking my homework and working at Starbucks or something, but this does not fly well at all. Usually I sign out but then there have been other times I wasn't able to because I didn't get the appropriate pass/paper work that day. Yes... lol.. slap on the wrist. But hey, could have been worse, at least I wasn't out of a real class or caught like some of these kids who smoke right in front of the principals outside. (I could never figure that one out. Some people at my school are painfully dumb/lack common sense). Reasons for detentions aren't specified, though, I don't I don't know. It's not a major problem, it just wouldn't look good if it showed up on there. Then again, sometimes you get detention for nothing, and most people I know have had it at one point or another, so I can't put too much thought into it.

And no, andrew, no pricking of hemophiliacs ;)

I don't even know the range of schools I can even rightfully apply to anymore. I am *so* not ready for this whole application/admissions process... I would benefit from another year of high school. What else is rule-out worthy so I don't bother liking or applying to these schools? Curious.

Swamped with LOADS of homework...and it's only the 2nd day. I shudder to think of what November will be like.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 01:38 am: Edit

Twinkle, bump...I'm exhausted.

I'll put the ball in your court: I think I've got a handle on the academic level of school. What else are you looking for? Urban/rural? Big/small? Geographic area? Other criteria that have struck you? I mean, c'mon, you've been around these boards for several months, you've got to have *some* ideas....

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 02:34 am: Edit

Okay I have some ideas as to what I'm going to be picky about...

*Suburban or urban... I think rural would really bother me because I don't want to be in the middle of nowhere. The only exception I made for that was Cornell, because the surrounding area isn't too bad and I liked everything else about it, but that's not going to be somewhere I can rightfully apply to anymore :( But I figure that I would probably become a human snowman in Ithaca, anyway, so it's not a complete wash. I want it to be a place with good job opportunities and fun things to do. I don't know how comfortable I'd be going to a HUGE city since I've never lived in one but I wouldn't completely rule it out, either.

Small... no. I don't want to go to a small school. I also am opposed to schools with a 20,000 enrollment too... that's practically a small town... I'm looking at around 3000ish-8000ish I believe...that feels right for some reason. If it's off by a bit either big deal either.

I've decided that the male-female ratio is important... 50-50 or a deviation in either direction is fine too but preferably a good balance. I've decided I've missed out on the whole having classes with boys thing and it could really be a nice change. (Correction: I've had classes with boys, just an extremely small number- one or two boys in a class ,three or four max... in a class of 30 kids or so that's disproportionately low)

Geographic area... I've kind of decided that I don't want to stray TOO far yet... I want to be able to see my parents and friends more than once a year. I used to love the idea of going to the west coast for college, but I would never get to come home and I don't like that at all. I've ruled out Wyoming, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas and Mississippi and Oklahoma. I'd prefer the Northeast/Mid Atlantic States and maybe even as far down as North Carolina... that's kind of far but I can't close off EVERY option... Narrowing your search too much cuts off a lot of places.

Other criteria... Not too liberal, and somewhere like a Hampshire type school would just be completely wrong for me, even though I have heard great things about it. I also don't want to go anywhere that enforces required church attendance/religion class requirements. I mean, I wouldn't be against a theology class. But I don't want to be forced to take it, either, especially since I'm not an extremely religious person... I believe in God and have good morals but I'm not... I don't know. It's on my own terms.

I have given this some thought apparently...:) Let's see... I need relatively small classes because I like class discussions and professor accessibility is SO important... I need to know that a professor is going to take the time and explain something to me if I need it explained in a different way. I don't know how I feel about TAs, either, since I've been taught by student teachers before who were actually very good and competent. I had one a particular year and I learned more from him than I did the actual teacher. So... I can't say I'm 100% against them, but I'd prefer learning from an actual professor.

What else... hmmmm... I want a great social scene. A commuter school simply wouldn't work, and I'm still split over the fraternity/sorority issue. I would be fine in one or not in one. I don't need it, but if the school I go to has a HUGE scene I will probably join. I want to be able to work hard/play hard, have intellectual conversations, meet boys, go to parties, have people I can study with, etc.

The dorm issue... I'm a brat I must confess... I've shared a room forever so that won't be a problem but I'm a brat about my bathroom space in the sense that I would probably hog all of the outlets with my assorted hair I take forever to get ready to go anywhere, even class, which might get on the nerves of the people of my dorm... but I don't want a single; I want the whole experience of meeting new friends and having late night dorm talks. I think I'm straying a bit.

Hmmm...the school MUST have good financial aid... without it I will end up going to a CC or a state U, no questions asked.

Dance... there must be dance...either as an EC or classes...A good variety of extracurriculars is always a plus too...

There must be a good variety of social sciences geared courses since that's probably where I'll end up.

Not too many core requirements outside the major requirements... I really want the choice to try out electives and have time before I declare my major, and also a good advising system would be splendid, too.

Hmmm... that seems like quite a bit. Oh yeah... I do have to say that I would like the school to have edible food but that's not a top priority for me... as long as they have chicken, fruit, greens, yogurt, cereal, and diet coke, I'm set. It's ironic. I am probably one of the pickiest eaters in the world, lol, but if I had to live off cereal and salad in college I could survive.

Okay... that's it for now:)

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:03 pm: Edit


By Texan (Texan) on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:11 pm: Edit

anyone? rice? ill post my stats later

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 02:53 pm: Edit

Tex, if you've read this thread, it's not a WAMC thread. I'd put a post under "Rice" or start your own thread under "College Admissions."

Twinkle, I'll take a look at your post again later...other fish to fry at the moment.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:57 pm: Edit

The following article is kind of what I was talking about 100 posts ago

Dietary Experts Debate Carbohydrates

By DANIEL Q. HANEY, AP Medical Editor

Should people really care that they digest potatoes faster than carrots?

Macaroni faster than spaghetti? Rice Krispies faster than Special K? A greenish banana faster than a freckled one? A Snickers bar faster than a Twix?

Yes, say some of the country's top-tier nutritional experts. They are convinced that carbohydrates should be labeled good or bad, just the way fats are, and that some of the carbs Americans love most velvety puddles of mashed potatoes, lighter-than-air white bread are dietary evil, to be avoided like the nastiest artery-choking trans-fats.

No, contend other equally respected nutritional experts. Potatoes and other starchy standbys are perfectly respectable. A carb is a carb is a carb.

The debate involves an idea called the glycemic index. It is a way of rating how quickly carbohydrates are digested and rush into the bloodstream as sugar. Fast, in this case, is bad. In theory, a blast of sugar makes insulin levels go up, and this, strangely, leaves people quickly feeling hungry again.

The debate over whether every person who puts food in his mouth should know about this is fervid even for the field of dietary wisdom, where fierce opinions based on ironclad beliefs and sparse data are standard.

Despite its detractors, the idea seems to be gaining momentum, in part because it is offered as scientific underpinning by the authors of a variety of popular diet schemes, mostly of the low-carb variety. However, some painstakingly argue that the glycemic index is just as important for the carbohydrate-loving brown rice aficionado as it is for the most carbo-phobic, double-bacon-cheeseburger-hold-the-bun Atkins follower.

To believers, the glycemic index is a kind of nutritional Rosetta stone that explains much of what has gone wrong with the world's health and girth over the past two decades: Why diets so often fail. Why diabetes is becoming epidemic. Why mankind is growing so fat.

We overeat because we are hungry, the theory goes, and we are hungry because of what we have been told to eat, which is too much fast-burning food that plays havoc with metabolism by quickly raising blood sugar levels. All of that starch at the base of the food pyramid has had the unintended effect of making us ravenous.

"It's almost unethical to tell people to eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet with no regard to glycemic index," says Janette Brand-Miller of the University of Sydney, one of the field's pioneers.

The idea has already entered the scientific mainstream in much of the world and is endorsed by the World Health Organization (news - web sites), but it remains deeply controversial in the United States. It is dismissed by some of the country's weightiest private health societies, including the American Heart Association (news - web sites) and the American Diabetes Association.

To some of the skeptics, this is just another half-baked mishmash of dietary arm-waving, cobbled together to justify the high-fat, low-carb schemes that dietitians love to hate.

The fact that carbohydrates break down at different rates has been suspected for a long time. It is why diabetics (news - web sites) were once (but no longer) told to studiously avoid sweets, since presumably sugary foods would quickly turn into sugar in the blood stream. About 20 years ago, scientists came up with the glycemic index, or GI, as a way to compare this.

The body converts all carbohydrates from starches to table sugar into sugar molecules that are burned or stored. The faster carbs are broken down by the digestive system, the quicker blood sugar goes up and the higher their GI.

The GI of at least 1,000 different foods has been measured, in the process knocking down many common-sense dietary beliefs. For instance, some complex carbohydrates are digested faster than the long demonized simple carbs. Foods such as white bread and some breakfast cereals break down in a flash, while some sweet things, like apples and pears, take their time.

In general, starchy foods like refined grain products and potatoes have a high GI 50 percent higher than table sugar. Unprocessed grains, peas and beans have a moderate GI. Nonstarchy vegetables and most fruits are low.

While it seems reasonable that chewy, whole-grain bread is digested more slowly than a French baguette, some of the results are less obvious. For instance, overcooking can raise the GI. Ripe fruit is lower than green. A diced potato is lower than mashed, and thick linguini is lower than thin.

To make matters even more confusing, the glycemic index measures only the carbohydrate in food. Some vegetables, such as carrots, have quite high GIs, but they don't contain much carb, so they have little effect on blood sugar.

Therefore, some experts prefer to speak of food's glycemic load, which is its glycemic index multiplied by the amount of carb in a serving. Considered this way, a serving of carrots has a modest glycemic load of 3, compared with 26 for an unadorned baked potato.

Blood sugar levels may shoot twice as high after a high-GI meal as after a low one, and that unleashes metabolic havoc: The body responds with a surge of insulin, which prompts it to quickly store the sugar in muscle and fat cells. The high sugar also inhibits another hormone, glucagon, which ordinarily tells the body to burn its stored fuel.

Blood sugar plunges. So much is stored so fast that within two or three hours, levels may be lower than they were before the meal. Suddenly, the body needs more fuel. But because glucagon is still in short supply, the body does not tap into its fat supply for energy. The inevitable result? Hunger.

That, at least, is the theory. Experiments to prove this are difficult and time-consuming. Among those trying is Dr. David Ludwig of Boston's Children's Hospital, who has done several studies on overweight teenagers.

In one, he tested the idea that a high-GI breakfast makes people hungrier at lunch. A dozen obese boys were fed three different breakfasts, all with the same calories a low-GI vegetable omelet and fruit, medium-GI steel-cut oats or high-GI instant oatmeal.

At noon, they could eat as much as they wanted. Those who started the day with instant oatmeal wolfed down nearly twice as much as those getting the veggie omelet.

Ludwig says overweight people do not need to starve themselves. On a low-GI diet, they can eat enough to feel satisfied and still lose weight.

In a pilot study, he tested this on 14 overweight adolescents. They were put on two different regimens a standard low-cal, low-fat, high-carb diet and a low-GI plan that let them eat all they wanted. After one year, the low-GI volunteers had dropped seven pounds of pure fat. The others had put on four. Now he is repeating the study on 100 heavy teenagers.

Even such small experiments have been rare. Most support for the idea comes from big surveys that follow people's health and diets over time. Some of these show that those who consistently favor low-GI fare are less likely to become overweight or to get diabetes and heart disease.

The evidence is strong enough for authors of some popular diet books, who use the glycemic index as one of their primary rationales. "It's a new unifying concept that brings nutritional habits out of the dark ages and says it's all about the numbers," says Barry Sears, author of the Zone series of diet books. "It says diet does not have to be based on philosophy. It can be based on hard science."

Major U.S. health organizations are less impressed. Ludwig expects this to change, in part because paying attention to the glycemic index can help everyone choose healthier carbs, whether they go low-fat or high.

But that seems unlikely any time soon at the heart association. The head of its nutrition committee, Dr. Robert Eckel of the University of Colorado, says the theory that high-GI foods make people hungry is "ridiculous" and argues that a scientific case can be made for just the opposite.

Dietitians generally encourage a balanced, varied diet emphasizing unadulterated whole foods, and they cringe at a classification that puts ordinary baked potatoes and white rice on a taboo list.

"It's an artificial system of classifying foods as good and bad," says JoAnn Carson, a nutritionist at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

Others worry that the whole business is just too hard to keep straight.

"We are putting before the public an extraordinarily complicated message, which I don't think they will follow or be very happy with," says Dr. Xavier Pi-Sunyer of St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital Center in New York City.

Not necessarily, responds Harvard's Dr. Walter Willett. "I do think this is an important concept for people to understand, but I don't think they need to worry about specific numbers."

His advice: Go light on the white bread, white rice, potatoes pasta and sugary foods.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 05:35 pm: Edit

Interesting article, O71. Thanks.

It actually validates my prejudice that Atkins is good but a little bit too theologically rigid. However, I'm sticking with Atkins until I get near where I want to be. Even being on it six weeks has modified some of my essential food behavior, e.g., fruit juices and sodas.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 01:10 am: Edit

Thedad...whenever you read it is absolutely fine. You don't even need to read it, if you don't want to/have time to. It was just good for me to get some things sorted out, and sometimes I do get a bit long winded so there are probably many unnecessary parts....MANY unnecessary parts.

Note: This used to be a WAMC thread for a little while, way back in the day, and I'm surprised that the moderators haven't moved it elsewhere (by the way I thank you all *very* much for that... I've learned sooo much in the past few months and I'm glad that this had been allowed- I'm aware of the policy regarding off topic posts but this all has a great purpose:))

That is a VERY interesting article, O71. I do believe some carbs are okay, like veggies and cereal, but I swear off straight bread and bagels... can we say GLUE FOR YOUR SYSTEM??? I used to be a bagel freak but I can't even look at them anymore. God knows what they do to your metabolism... I picture gaining 6 pounds every time I remotely consider having one. The school year is so tricky, though, because my eating times/patterns are just weird so I'll have like ice coffee or a diet coke and some fruit in the afternoon and pick at dinner...I don't do the whole breakfast thing in the morning unless if it's a nice glass of diet coke...I really need to lay off the aspartame because I know it's not good for me. I probably should be eating more during the day during the school week but I can't bring myself to care about it enough, lol.

Interesting convo with mom today... LOL... She made a very interesting point. Even if I could get into a Top 25 school, would I really be happy in that kind of environment? She recognizes that I am very academically focused and driven. But she did bring up a very good point... she said that even if by some freak chance I got into Yale or a school of that caliber I would probably NOT go. And she's right. I used to want to go to Yale, but I can't see myself there. It just isn't the right fit RIGHT now. We discussed it and she made a comment along the lines of that it "just isn't where I am right now". An "A" school may be appropriate for grad school in four years, but it wouldn't work for me right now. I probably wouldn't be a very happy camper. I would be torn between work and play on a constant basis, and since I wouldn't be nearly as smart as my peers, I'd be working 24/7, nonstop just to try to be on their level. And I don't think that's what I want out of my college experience. I need to be able to grow intellectually and enjoy my college experience. I'm going to work hard and I want to be challenged, but it wouldn't be fair to anyone if I was in over my head. It would be different if I were smarter, but I'm not and that's okay with me. I may get to a whole different intellectual level within the next few years with the appropriate environment and courseload. My parents kind of think I am going to become a complete animal in college (although I will still excel in my work) which isn't totally true but I know that I'm going to want to make the most of my college social experience, minus becoming a drugged out alcoholic. It is no secret that I am definitely a very social person and I LIKE being out and having fun and if I can't do that then I'm going to become frustrated. During the school year it drives me crazy if I can't go out at all for extended periods of time. Academics and extracurriculars always win over social activities :/, but it is always a grudgingly made decision. I'm always a little torn but I have to do what I know in my heart is right and if I have to miss a party or a mall run, then so be it. However, I try to have BOTH worlds, which is where it gets tricky because forex, I'll try to get all my homework and ECs done and a term paper and w/e AND squeeze in a social activity... and the only way to do that is to cut sleep. But I think it's caught up to me because I'm tired allll the time now, so I kind of figure it has something to do with not sleeping last year, lol. I want to have a spectacular social life, do great academically, and excel at my ECs and it's hard being able to have an AMAZING everything without getting a bit burnt out.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 02:07 am: Edit

Twinkle, I got a lot done today...but not thinking about your school choices, alas. I did finally distill some thoughts on an essay that someone sent me about three weeks restores my faith and hope, for it was a pretty good essay. An A- or so.

You know...if you won't consider Smith...and I think you should, because guys are still in abundance if you make the effort...then what about UMass Amherst that would let you still take all the Dance classes at Smith, etc.? I think Smith is at *exactly* the right level of academic challenge for you...the trick is to find other comparable schools that have what you're looking for.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 02:12 am: Edit

Yeah, this thread probably belongs with the "College Search" section but then it would be divorced from its predecessors. My guess is the mods are just being lazy because it's not that big a problem.

I've likened this thread to a conversation in the corner of a large party...people can come by and join or drift away or whatever but it is something of an ongoing if digression-ridden conversation. It's nice that O71 and Sunshine stop by for some chips, dip, and a drink now and then.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 02:37 am: Edit

I actually wrote an essay, thedad... a very good essay but alas highly inappropriate for college admissions. It was just a warm-up essay, anyway. :) I thought it would be funny to do something slightly sarcastic and off-color, and now that I have that out of my system I can probably write an actual essay that would be usable in the admissions office...

I AM still considering Smith, I just don't know how much of a problem it would be with no boys. True, there are boys at Amherst and UMass-Amherst, but how often am I going to have contact with them? I like many aspects of Smith-considering if I could handle it academically as it is still a reach school under any consideration. Without a boost in SAT scores, I will still have a hard time getting in, but I am remembering what you said about possessing many factors that would be favorable in the eyes of a Smith adcom. I would apply to UMass-Amherst, then, because that IS a good idea. I never considered that, but I could continue dancing if I was a student there. I think I'd have a good shot at getting into UMass-Amherst, even as an out of stater. OMG!!! Too bad I wasn't instate. Tuition would be only around 2K a year. Even so, it isn't that wildly expensive for out of staters, either, around 10K (neither of these figures include books, R+B, fees, etc, etc.)... I'm kind of liking this too. What is YOUR opinion personally on UMass-Amherst? As a school itself? As a good fit for me? I am going to scope out the website in a minute or two or maybe tomorrow morning, as I'm wiped from writing an essay for English and being up *way* too early but now I'm curious...yawn.

I like this thread a lot... it is like a party with a good relaxed environment, not too wild, not too pretentious but fun and intellectual at the same time.

Blame me for the many digressions, I have a tendency to get off topic, lol. Even when I'm writing essays, I have a tendency to get off topic and start discussing something else... I used to do that in APUS on the DBQ or essay until I got the hang of the format. I never COULD write a thesis though... it just never worked out for me. The thesis would never "nail it"; I'd come close but not quite, but at least I learned how to do one, as at the beginning of the class I would write essays with no thesis *whatsoever*, and what I thought was a thesis...wasn't.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:53 pm: Edit

Quick post... have to finish outlining before I go to bed.

I looked at UMass-Amherst today... it didn't seem too bad although not the type of school I think I'd fall in love with, but it has its upsides. It's pretty BIG (which I may/ may not like), it has a good male-female ratio, decent prof. accessibility and professor interesting ratings, in a good college town, NOT too far from home but far enough where I couldn't come home all the time, it's not incredibly $$$$ even without financial aid (even though it would still be needed to an extent), I'm way over the 75% when it comes to SAT scores and I can honestly say I could ALMOST say I'd get in despite my out of stateness. Downsides... the building(s) are supposedly VERY concrete and very ugly...lots of TAs teaching classes (this is common at big schools though so I can't complain about that too much), bad food on campus (not that big of a deal, I'll take stock in breakfast bars over the next four years... but there are places to eat in Amherst so either way I won't starve), plus I don't know if I could explore my options as well at a big university as compared to being at an LAC. Something tells me that I wouldn't be able to get into Smith and I can't explain it. Maybe it's because these days it just feels like I shouldn't bother applying to schools where my SAT range isn't at or above the mid 50-75% and I knooow that isn't the be-all and end-all of everything. I like a lot of things about Smith. I just don't know how well I'd do in an all girl environment and I was really looking forward to spending the next four years with guys in an age range I'm actually interested in (high school dating has gotten exceptionally hard... I'm not that interested in most of the guys in my grade, I've dated the decent ones, and some younger guys, although good as friends, just do not make good boyfriend material). You mentioned that if you do go to Smith you can meet boys if you make enough of an effort, but how much contact would I honestly be able to have with boys at UMass and Amherst? Just wondering :) Maybe I should apply to both. Smith seems like it would be a good fit, but the environment of just having no boys around could be unusual... in a good or bad way, I don't really know yet. I can't really say because I've never tried it but I can't rule it out either, at the same time.

BTW- how is the weather in CA? Here it is COLD... my hands and feet are FREEZING and it is also downpouring outside. Yuck.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 01:35 am: Edit

Weather here has been good, mid-70's to mid-80's.


Just got home from the airport, picking up a single mom who just dropped off her daughter, a friend of D's, at Smith. I think you're a more attractive candidate than her daughter and *she* got in. Smith has parties that draw students from the other campuses...not always for the best of reasons, ahem...and also has buses that go to Yale for mixers and stuff, though I believe there are disparaging names for same.

Imo, the best way to meet guys is in a non-artificial, low-pressure situation such as a recreational activity, a class, etc. D has decided that she's going to take at least one course per term at either Amherst or UMass/Amherst just to mingle.

And, speaking of such, D submitted her first Part I app on-line Smith. Yale has pushed back their date to September 8.

By Mauretania (Mauretania) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 01:05 pm: Edit

With all this talk about Smith, I had to go and look at the website. It sounds like an interesting school though I don't think my D would be interested in an all-girls school since she is in one right now! She loved the look of the equestrian facilities (they had a few photos on the site)which is a priority. Realistically, she doesn't meet the score ranges. Twinkle, my D has trouble with math, as well.
I'm in the south, so it always seems to be hot and humid:( It rained most of the weekend.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 03:57 pm: Edit

Mauretania, the superb equestrian facilities of the Five Colleges are at Mount Holyoke, which is also not as academically demanding in terms of grades/scores as Smith. It's about 20-25 minutes to the south and free shuttle buses run among the five campuses (MH, Smith, Amherst, Hampshire, UMass/Amherst).

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Mauretania, what part of the south are you from?

It is still raining here... and still quite cold. Maybe 60ish if that, but it feels so much colder. I was a complete ice cube all day and I was even wearing cords to school. Weird.

I am in severe need of a nap right now, but I'm trying to abstain from sleep because if I go to sleep now, I know I'm not waking up until tomorrow...and that would be bad on so many levels.

Thedad, what do you mean by "Yale has pushed back their date to Sept 8?"
Do you know how many classes per semester you can take at the other colleges if you're enrolled at one member of the 5 Colleges?

YAWN....I think I may be sick... I don't know because I'm trying to snow myself into thinking that I'm fine so I can drag my butt to school in the morning and get stuff done... wouldn't want to miss another 8 pages of AP Spanish HW and more government notes...

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 06:23 pm: Edit

Yale now says they're not accepting on-line apps until Sept. 8th; it had been Sept. 1st and before that a date in late August.

I don't know of any limit on the number of classesyou can take elsewhere but each school determines which classes from the other schools they'll accept, either generally or for your's many classes but not all.

By Texan (Texan) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:51 pm: Edit

Anyone know about Rice here? if so pleaaaase say so

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:09 pm: Edit

Tex, do you bother to *read* the threads you're posting in?

By Texan (Texan) on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:39 pm: Edit

yea i actually did read it and there was a lot of good advice in im asking if anyone can help me

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:35 am: Edit

Can you pay for online app's with a check in the mail... that would be a *very* good tidbit to know... otherwise I'll just end up doing them out on paper. LOL. They can fall in love with my charming handwriting that way. :)

All I can say right now is that AP English, physics and baby-sitting are a killer (literally) combination...Thank God It's Wednesday!!!!! (TGIW)

Texan, although you're kind of in the wrong forum, I'll bite. I was interested in Rice for awhile, and it's a good school but I don't think that I'm applying there. It's in Houston, so it's warm and humid there yearround (duh). It's a small-medium sized school with a good variety of majors and has a GREAT endowment... supposedly giving students an "Ivy League" education at a MUCH lower price. Campus life is supposedly great and students are more friendly as opposed to cutthroat, although I would imagine the academics ARE intense there... Rice is a reach for EvERYONE. I got my app in the mail today. I didn't even look at it. My brother opened it and thumbed through the book, and he says it has good photo advertising, despite being a little lacking on substantial...words. Hmmm. I'll have to check that later.

GUESS WHAT THEDAD??? It's going to rain *all week* here. Oh joy! I can hardly wait. Just kidding :) It definitely doesn't feel like summer here at all, but then again, by next week it could be 90 again, that's New England for you.

I would post something substantially longer... there's more I wanted to say but I'm really tired:( So I'll check back tomorrow...goodnight everyone!!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:50 am: Edit

Tex, what you're doing is like coming up to a table in a restaurant and asking if anyone can fix a bicycle.

You will get far more attention if you either pose your question in a Rice thread or starting your own thread in What Are My Chances with a clear and inviting title. Wandering around the board and posting in semi-random topics isn't going to get you the critical mass of comments that would be most helpful.

By Mauretania (Mauretania) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:04 am: Edit

Twinkle, I'm in Houston. So, yes, heat and humidity...and Rice. I don't know much about it but then I don't know much about universities in general:) But here I go: It's in one of the few nice areas near Rice Village which is a small shopping/restaurant district - years ago it was very eclectic and interesting now it's been overtaken with the likes of Starbucks and Banana Republic so I don't go anymore. They had an economic summit at Rice back in the mid-'90's. My H's friend studied architecture at Rice (they are both originally from NJ) back in the mid to
late '70's. We had dinner with him this past weekend as a matter of fact. My D studied architecture at UT-Austin, last summer and her roommate's mother is an architecture prof at Rice
(her roommate wasn't much interested in Arch but I guess her mom was hoping!). I've heard it referred to as "the Ivy League school of the south" but then Duke and Vanderbilt claim that too. Oh, and I used their library to find an old copy of Consumer Reports when I was shopping for a vacuum cleaner (grasping here!). I never really know what these students want when they ask "Anyone know about....?"

TheDad, I knew about Mount Holyoke's riding program but my D has become interested in riding on an NCAA team, now. Apparently it's an emerging sport and they had the first NCAA national competition last year. Plus she wants to match that up with a design school sooo her first choice is K-State. We've now entered the murky waters of the NCAA. She registered with the clearinghouse and has been corresponding with the coaches. This has really narrowed her choice of schools as there are only 12 schools so far listed as Division 1 and only two offering interior arch/design - K-State and Auburn.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

Mauretania, well, in a way, that makes it *easier* to figure out which schools to apply to, when there are a combination of factors that narrows down the bullseye. Not to quite as great an extent but that's what happened to D with her pursuit of high academics crossed with access to a high-level of ballet.

Fwiw, on general terms I'd take K-State over Auburn, too. Good luck to her...let us know how things turn out.

Side note: I'd guess that Duke, Rice, Vandy, and Tulane are probably the premier Southern schools.
Like ranking the Ivies, ranking them is a mug's game.

By Johnmiku (Johnmiku) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:26 pm: Edit

One of my good friends went to K-State. Purportedly they give full rides to anyone with over a 31 ACT. You better get used to ag students,though.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:37 pm: Edit

To throw in my 3 cents, I just got back from my first day of school. It was seriously probably the longest school day I've ever experienced. The only good thing I got out of it was the fact that the entire second half of the day, I have no books to carry around. But my first four classes (AP English, AP French, AP Macro, and AP Calculus) are like BAM! No to mention AP Bio throwing itself in right at the end of the day. I didn't get that much work today, luckily. But, who knows? I suppose I'll have to wait until the real fun begins.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:54 pm: Edit

O71, whoosh! D started today, too...can't wait to hear...but she doesn't have your schedule. Otoh, poor Twinkle has been flailing away at the books for over a week now...perhaps we should observe a moment of silence in sympathy.

By Texan (Texan) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:59 pm: Edit

i actually do have a post up called "anyone brave enough to evaluate me?" under "what are my chances" if you could kindly help over there that would be great

By Alimshk (Alimshk) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:03 pm: Edit

Wow, this post needs to end. Now.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:02 pm: Edit

Tex, you put up your post and if people have something to say, they will. Hard to stop 'em in fact. If people *don't* have anything to say, you can't shake them by the collar and force it.

If no one responds, then try a "bump" post to bring the thread back up...but I notice the Mods have asked that that be done not more than once a day.

Alimshk, do you mean post or thread? The thread is meandering and inoffensive.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:05 pm: Edit

Btw, Tex, I personally don't respond to most What Are My Chances posts. Most students are either asking for definitive reassurance that no one can give or they're asking questions that have premises I don't agree with and won't waste my time on. I read them from time to time and respond if something about it strikes me in an interesting way. Of course, that can be dangerous...Twinkle did that folks have chatted almost three full threads now.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:12 pm: Edit

O71... cringe...hearing that makes me feel grateful that we're on the block schedule, not that it helps that much, but it prevents me from carrying 7 books around, though, and it spreads out the HW a little bit more than if we didn't have block scheduling.

Um... I kind of ended up with *7* classes this year...that's not even counting gym, and it wasn't supposed to happen that way... oh well... maybe I'll get that most rigorous box checked after all. Who knows. If I'm still in one piece by then. :) Thedad, amen to a moment of sympathy-filled silence... lol it is much appreciated :) I was SO tired at school today... it was more of a matter of "can I really stay awake anymore and just try to be functional" so I played the clock game like I do when I'm running on the treadmill (except an extended version, lol). Other than that though, it was a relatively good day because I had good classes today and everything is pretty good about them if you disregard the excessive amount of work. How was your D's day?:)

Well... I have to get back to doing English hw and studying for calc... so I'll check back later!!

By Texan (Texan) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:20 pm: Edit

alright thanks, i guess i just need suggestions to improve my chances...i guess it wouldnt be a bad idea to repost in another category

By Texan (Texan) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit

actually thedad...ive read through a lot of the previous posts and seen that uve given great advice

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit

I'm not big on the What Are My Chances posts either. All in all, it kind of gets too repetitive and/or depressing to read or long period of time. When Part 4 is made, perhaps it should be pushed into another forum.

But regarding the school days, it just totally physically drained me. Like I said, the real work didn't even start yet, so the fact that I did almost no work at all and was still drained was scary. I just woke up from a 2-hour nap, and I never take naps during the day. Hopefully, it will get better tomorrow. Funny thing is, all of us fell asleep (me and my two younger brothers -older brother is at college), so maybe it's not just me, and just my body adjusting. Keep us posted on how your daughter's day was.

I'm also starting the community college route. Making appointments with the CC guidance counselors is going to be a nightmare, because the term just started, and nobody likes what they have. I have to register soon, because late registration starts the 10th, but one of the classes I want to take starts on the 9th. All in all it comes out to about $600 for two 3-credit courses, one online and one during the week or on the weekend, in addition to the $25 app fee and the possible $25 late registration fee. That right there is about half my entire earnings from cleaning up after people for 40 hours a week. The other half goes towards my new guitar.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:25 am: Edit

Ooo... second post of the day. Well, actually, no because I posted "yesterday" but now I'm confusing myself so I'm moving on now:)

I think I may need to drop a class because I simply have way too many. If I'm *this* swamped now I can't imagine what it will be like in even a month, with all of my ECs and especially the simple fact that calc is going to turn into a scary thing with derivatives and limits. Right now it's not the worst thing in the world... it's like advanced trig review sort of which I find tricky but survivable... I do *not* understand physics though. It's like all the worst kinds of math combined, except I find the theoretical stuff interesting. I wouldn't mind physics if I didn't have to solve odd problems... if we just had physics discussions and stuff I'd enjoy that. I like my English class a lot, although I've just written a 4-pg paper, assigned last class and due in a few hours. It's a loooot of work but I like it and we're encouraged to have good class discussions and I even led a good debate last class. We get wayyyy too much work for Spanish though even though I like it and I have a knack for languages, plus I didn't have to use English in class at all today...which is a main goal of the class. We're supposed to be more than proficient by the end of this year, probably closer to fluency, but... not quite. My psych independent study is a lot of work but it rocks and I'm given a lot of freedom to pick what I want to do. I like Italian too... I'm mixing it up with Spanish a lot this year but I will work through that, hopefully. What else. I like government too, we talk about current events a lot in class and have good discussions aside from taking pages of notes which is always a plus. I feel like I'm forgetting something...nope. That's seven there. Only 3-4 are AP, but others are honors and even CP physics is very tough imo.

Only a little more hw... I had to run a 7th/ 8th grade tutoring group tonight to explain how to use vocabulary, analogies, words in sentences, synonyms, antonyms, etc, so that kind of put me behind, plus my 35 minute nap (not...), and running the senior fundraiser thing as well. I'm sooo extremely tired though and I think I've turned into a living, breathing, walking GERM as well. I have to keep people w/in a 50-foot radius awaaaaay from me... lol... self-quarantine...just kidding. I think I may adjust eventually, but I have to take this one day at a time. I can't even think about Friday at this point. There is just too much to do in between there. This is definitely my worst year in terms of school work, though. A teacher cringed at my schedule today as did my mother and my friends, which makes me think something has to go. Soon. But I know dropping a class could wreck the whole most rigorous thing and I'm sooo close to being salutorian and valedictorian is a breath away as well and I can't give it up now. I mean, it's a ranking and it shouldn't matter but I feel like I have something to prove, and to make that my bar all through HS (just as a motivator) and actually come that close to it... now I actually want it. I never _REALLY_ did before because it was too far away.

BTW thedad you have to fill us in on your D's day!!:)

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:45 am: Edit


By Mauretania (Mauretania) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:27 pm: Edit

Thedad-Yes, it has narrowed D's choice considerably but she can't find a safety. So far she has K-State, Auburn, FIT-Suny (she wants to be able to send her portfolio to at least one school!) and I can't remember the fourth school (might have been University of Georgia).

When you say "general terms, K-State over Auburn" -what do you mean exactly?

Johnmiku -"Ag Students" You can't drive around our neighbourhood without a Texas A&M (alumni, century member, memaw, or grandpa)Aggie in front of you, behind you or next to you in either an F150 pick-up truck, Excursion or Lincoln Town Car - pretty much in that order of window stickers lol
Twinkle - my D has 7 classes, as well. She's stressed out and hasn't been able to ride because of all the rain. How are your driving lessons going?

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:10 pm: Edit

Mauretania, in general terms I mean that I'd prefer an ag-dominated school with a party-school rep to the still-[unofficially]-segregated heavily-Greek-dominated party school like Auburn.
Ordinarily, my bias is towards the more academically selective school (as long as it's not going to be overwhelming). For Auburn, I'd make an exception.

Speaking of biases, yes, I have them.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:10 pm: Edit

Okay, second day gone. Much shorter. By Monday it'll be like I never left. Bur first four periods tomorrow have first 4 quizzes/tests tomorrow. I'll now go into a brief synopsis of my schedule
1. AP English- Very small class. 13 people. Very intimate, and very smart people in it. We're reading an awesome Greek play, Medea, which we're having a test on tomorrow. I'm not too worried about it.

2. AP French- 8 people. Also very small. The third year I've had the teacher, so we're on very good terms. I can't tell you exactly how hard or easy it's going to end up, but the class shouldn't be bad.

3. AP Macro- I got lucky with this one. This class is a complete and utter joke. It's just an easy class. We cover a chapter a week, and the chapters are only like 12 pages long. Overall, very easy.

4. AP Calc AB- The scariest class I've ever had. The class is like boot camp. Since we have to cover everything, she regiments the class. Every minute is accounted for. It's like BAM! BAM! You don't know this? You should. Stay after school. Moving on. She talks so fast, and she moves at such a quick speed, it's hard to keep up. But heresay from last year's seniors say that she's a fantastic teacher. She also calls on people at random (I haven't had a teacher like that since 7th grade), so you really have to do all the work and stay on your toes.

Lunch/Study- Self Explanatory

Physics- One level below AP Class. Overall, teacher is extremely funny, and was good friends with my brother (good perk, because my brother was an outstanding student). Class doesn't look that difficult, but we'll see how it goes.

Gym- Badminton. I haven't played Badminton since 7th grade, and I loved it. We start Monday. Also, in the midst of talking to my friend, who's the editor-in-chief of the newspaper, he offered me a job as an editor, even though I've never worked a day on the paper. Good to have friends in high places, .

AP Bio- This is a generally hard class, but teacher is very good. We got our tests back, and I failed my first test. I'm not really worried though, because we can correct the wrong answers to get a half-point back and my summer work was very well-done. Also the quizzes and labs are big, and don't seem too hard. So overall, I'm not worried about it.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Mauretania, due to my busy schedule, I haven't driven in *days* THANK GOD! I am going out again mid-afternoon or so on Saturday, though, so... eh. Another thing to get over with. As you can tell I'm not looking forward to it... I *like* driving I suppose but I'm frustrated because I'm not going to be ready by the time I'm supposed to get my license and I really need to get it before it starts to snow... I am not testing in the snow and I'm not waiting till April either.

School... really...really... difficult right now. Sigh. Does school fit the definition of hell... too much work with almost no breaks (ECs aren't *really* a break... hell I would say sleep is at this point)? Haha, okay, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you know what I mean.

By Momof2 (Momof2) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 04:01 pm: Edit

07 - Just FYI, if you enjoyed Medea, you really should try to get your hands on a recording of Barber's "Medea's Meditation & Dance of Vengeance." It was originally part of a killer ballet (please excuse the pun) and is one of my son's favorite classical pieces. It makes a lot more sense if you know the play.

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 05:00 pm: Edit

Thanks, MO2, I'll keep my eyes peeled for it.

By Ch2 (Ch2) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

Tex, I have some info about RIce if you still want it. My oldest sister graduated from there in 1999. It has a really nice campus (although I hear there's some construction going on)and Houston is a great city. Ofcourse it's hot all year long (but if you are a Texan as your name implies, that shouldn't bother you).

I personally know one of the people who reads applications there (this will be her last year there). She graduated from Rice about a year or two after my sister. So she's basically like us and is a normal person,not some stuffy professor. The only thing I really remember her saying when she was talking about reading the applications is that she likes interesting apps and essays, because they are reading like a 100 of them a day/night. She mentioned an essay some candidate wrote that was about all the shows and concerts he'd been to and she got very enthusiastic about this candidate because he mentioned many bands that she knew of and liked. That just shows you how subjective the process is. She says that Rice accepted him, but that he ended up going somewhere else. The regions she reads applications for are parts of Texas and maybe a few places in teh Midwest, I can't remember. Anyway, just thought I would share that with you. If you let your personality shine through your application, I am sure you will end up at the best place for you. (sorry in advance for any spelling errors, I gotta run)

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:57 pm: Edit

is it just me or is senior year academic suicide? everyone at school seems so bogged down with everything. its so terrible. lol 071, i bombed my first AP Bio test too. our math teacher is also hardcore crazy, but i had him 2 years ago so im used to it. ahhhh this year is just insane!

By Ch2 (Ch2) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 07:16 pm: Edit

I am nervously awaiting my first day of school on Monday, Sept. 8th. Well, for senior year I think the fall is hell, but by spring everyone is very laidback because then it's all up to fate where you are going to go to college (Or if you are lucky, you will have already found out that you got accepted ED/EA somewhere in December!). I'm sure I'll be on here complaining in a week, but until then, best of luck, stick with it! I am so scared for all the work, I'm thinking of dropping an AP, don't know if that is still possible though because it usually very hard to drop one at my school.

Meanwhile, my sister started her freshman year of law school a week (or two?) ago, but she is dropping out because it is too stressful even though she really is brilliant. she just feels so lost and confused and now she feels even worse that she's dropping out because she thinks she is letting down the family. I wish I could go give her a hug right now, but she's too far away. I can't even imagine what the past week has been like for her, or what she is feeling right now. So when school starts for me again I'll remember that it can't be near as bad as what the poor freshman law students are doing. The workload is downright brutal.

Anyway, I really need to stop posting here, it's not helping me get my AP summer work done. I'm supposed to be at my friend's house at 7:30 (in ten minutes!) and then when i come home I'm going to try to finish my AP Psych essay.

By Texan (Texan) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:48 pm: Edit

Ch2...thank you very very much for that! it really helps. Yea im being told all the time not to write a boring essay but i have a really good topic just need to make it engaging, because my scores arent too good need to shine through the essay

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:14 pm: Edit

Well Sunshine, you can take solace in the fact that once you hand in your apps (at the latest your mid-year report) you don't have to worry as much. Oh man, I cannot wait until APs are over, because then in all my classes we have absolutely nothing to do. In all the classes I have, we finish the course by the time the AP rolls around, but we still have a month and a half to just chill out and do nothing. That's going to be a great way to end the high school career. Another great incentive I have to do well this year (I think the school's best attempt to battle senioritis) is the fact that seniors, and only seniors have the options of bein exempt from midterms and finals. That's another incentive. You can even pull a couple of days off while everyone else is studying if you do well enough.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:02 am: Edit

seniors here dont get exempt from midterm exams! ONLY FINAL! so i still have one more set to take.

however, our class ranks cut off after first semester, so come february, i will be taking my AP Bio hw with me in front of the TV. as bad as that sounds, i know it will happen.

one of my best friends who is 6th right now in the class out of ~550 is taking 7 classes this semester and only 4 next semester. the counselor manipulated it so she had all 7 classes first semester to keep her class rank up. haha our counselor loves us.

this year is such a pain. i cant WAIT for it to be over. i have the feeling that come time for AP's, i wont be nearly as focused and wont care nearly as much as i should because only one thing will be on my mind: COLLEGE!!!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 01:58 am: Edit

Seniors here aren't exempt from anything though they do get to take their finals a week early.


D's schedule:

English 12 teacher in the school. Terrific reading list including CANDIDE, HEART OF DARKNESS, OEDIPUS REX, ANTIGONE, SOUND AND SENSE (about poetry), CRIME AND PUNISHMENT, four of HARD TIMES, SISTER CARRIE, THE AGE OF INNOCENCE, WUTHERING HEIGHTS, PRIDE AND PREJUDICE, MADAME BOVARY, CRY THE BELOVED COUNTRY, NATIVE SON, INVISIBLE MAN, THE PLAGUE, THE TRIAL; HAMLET, "Elegy of Fortinbras," HAMLET (Pasternak), "Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern are Dead," EYE OF THE HEART, "Two Bodies" (Paz), "The Cipher" (Borges), "Meditation at the Threshhold" (Castellanos), THE SOUND AND THE FURY, poems by Pound, Elliot, Yeats, Stevens, William Carlos Williams, ee cummings, Lucille Clifton, Li-Young Lee, Ishmael Reed, Mary Oliver, Carol Ann Duffy; and four of ALL THE PRETTY HORSES, NARCISSUS AND GOLDMUND, THE THINGS THEY CARRIED, SNOW FALLING ON CEDARS, BRIGHT LIGHTS, BIG CITY; ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE, COLD MOUNTAIN, SONG OF SOLOMON (Morrison), CATCH 22. And screw those people who say they have 45 minutes of homework a night.

CALC BC AP...the hardest teacher in the school. Much nicer than D had expected...started out by saying "most of the rumors you've heard about my class are untrue." So far, so good.

GOVERNMENT anal rules-and-organization focused teacher with a boring style and a penchant for fussy detail-oriented busywork. A real disappointment since D is passionately interested in politics and wanted an electrifying class.

ORCHESTRA/BAND...has shot at second seat in both. The top groups...she's easy in her slot.

FRENCH 3...a rookie teacher who is Chinese...according to D, her French is better than her English. May not know how to control a couple of disruptive kids in the class. Rules focused as rookie teachers are wont to be. Could go either way.


At the highest level, Nutcracker auditions didn't make much clear. So far D is slotted for Snow and Russian.

Not yet cast: Will almost certainly be in Mirliton side, outside shot at center Mirliton. Excellent shot at center Spanish. Good shot at demi-solo in Flowers...could go to younger less-experienced dancers who need a reward.

A few Ballet VI's have started filtering into Ballet VII one or two days a week...with one becoming a full-time VII. The half dozen or so that filtered in will probably have more VII classes added in the next few months.


Why I've been so terse and absent: the game is afoot for the Orchestra trip to Vienna and Prague over Spring break. I make the presentation to the Parent Group next Wednesday and am now pretty well prepped. I'm hammering out contract details with the tour group. Also planning with the fundraising committee.

Altogther, have been meeting a couple of nights a week every other grows old but a lot of the prelim work is now done.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 04:44 pm: Edit

we had a student teacher for french 3 who was vietnamese (i think...). she was terrible. her french wasnt much better than ours, every question we asked her she had to look up in a book, and SHE asked US how to conjugate the verbs although it should have been the other way around. she had no control of the class and we learned nothing the whole 2 months she was there. everyone hated her.

i hope your D doesnt have anyone resembling her for a teacher, or she's in for a miserable year. hopefully the teacher will shape up soon!

hmmmm i still need to post my college visitation reviews. i'll have to make a point of doing that this weekend. im a week late!

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 06:10 pm: Edit

More than 36 hours until I have to go back to school :) Groovy.

I have had the craziest week ever... thus explaining why I haven't really been around... I think today has contained the longest stretch of time I've actually been at home for, with the exception of sleeping... that may not count though lol because I've been sleeping in nap increments all week with the exception of last night. I went out last night but I came home early because I was being cranky and I was getting annoyed with people for NOOO reason at all so I was like... guess what... time to leave the party, lol, and I never leave before 12 EVER. Then I took a nice 10-hour non-nap. So now I'm actually not a total bear to be around today, lol. Usually being really tired doesn't make me too cranky, just a little hyper because I get so hopped up on adrenaline/caffeine, but multiple days of being really tired makes me realllly irritable for no reason at all. But hey, whatever, I have another day or so before I have to get readjusted to that so I'm enjoying it. Loads of HW to do that I will attack sometime today and tomorrow too.

Thedad... Ugh... that sounds like a royal PAIN about your D's French class if the teacher cannot control the class. Then again, you know, it could be kind of fun like that... less homework and quizzes, and such, if the teacher doesn't know what he or she is doing. It's kind of like having a sub. You know you're not going to have to do as much because they don't normally know what they're doing. Just kidding! That's not the best way to look at it seeing as people want to get something out of their classes. If it goes really badly, though, can your D switch teachers? I'm glad we don't have too much busywork in Government because I would get annoyed with it fast, but the great thing about busy work imo is that it can really boost your grade, despite the tediousness of it all.

So far I really like my government, Spanish, English and Psych classes... the other classes I get more or less frustrated in them and I just *do not* want to do the work because I'm confused and it's a real battle just to make myself read through the problems because I just don't care about them. The only reason I do it is because I *have to* and I should, not because I actually want to learn the material. By far I have the toughest schedule out of like anyone except for one other girl I know despite that I'm not in AP Calc/Physics (it's apparent that I've compensated for that in other ways, though, with alternate APs and such) but it's still a toss as to whether I'll get the most rigorous box checked or not, not that I care that much anymore. Colleges will figure it out either way. The best part of this semester is that I have a REALLY long study hall smacked right in the middle of one of the days on the block schedule. However, it has become a free period for me ;) Hence...COFFEE BREAK or chill time, and perhaps squeezing in a little bit of homework, too. I usually do homework and a combination of one of the others. Yay.

Driving in a bit... whoo-hoo... I'm closer to getting my license every day now so I;m really concentrated and not trying to be a road loser anymore :) Thank God I don't have to drive standard... how is that even possible... WAYYY too much going on while driving @ once!!!

What does your daughter want to be cast as the most for the Nutcracker?

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 03:19 am: Edit

Awful night. Details later possibly. I'm going to bed now.

Senior year is nothing like it was chalked up to's a nightmare with lots of homework, and people who get jealous and spread rumors. Absolutely lovely. I mean, it's not THAT bad. I'm exaggerating. It's had it's good moments so far, but the way I see it, I'm swamped with homework I can't get out of, I have too many things to do and some people are idiots in general, but at least I know that I still have a lot of friends and a shot at the val/sal spot, not to mention I've lost a good deal of weight and I still get to dance, so I can't get too down on anything, because there are A LOT of things that are going really good right now. It just seems like some things are starting to go down the drain, and that just makes me... I don't know... nervous?

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 10:41 am: Edit

wow Twinkle. couldnt have said it better myself. i feel the same way. except not that much is going well for me right now. i just feel like everything good just disappeared and im stuck in a black hole. i can see the light at the end though so i guess we just gotta keep going.

on the bright side, latin club starts next week and JCL (Junior Classical League) Convention in March is what i live for! it takes so much preparation (starting about now) but its the best. YAY!!!!!!

By Texan (Texan) on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 11:28 am: Edit

Hey sunshine...ur in Latin club?! thats soo cool, so am I...did you go to nationals last this year? and what categories are you in?

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 11:56 am: Edit

Sunshine, lol, I was trying to be optimistic and see that there still is some good in some things, but this year has been *nothing* that I thought it could/should have been like and maybe I'm immature to think I should have expected so much, but if I could go back to this summer, or even junior year again, I gladly would.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 08:30 pm: Edit

this year is simply awful. the homework. the sleepless nights. i am CONSTANTLY worrying about my applications. i have no clue who should write my teacher recs, but i better figure it out soon because im doing EA schools. the workload is awful, most of the seniors are in awful spirits for the same reasons i am. then the others are taking 5 classes/day, go home at noon, and havent even started thinking about college. meanwhile, my friends and i are panicking.

i hear so much about how senior year is a great year, how people can just relax and classes are not hard, and how its great and all, but im totally NOT feeling it. as one of my friends put it: senior year blows.

im trying to be optimistic but i dont see anything positive coming my way...

i miss middle school...

oh and Texan, no we didnt go to nationals. haha yeahhh right. our team isnt that great. not nearly as good as stow or indian hill. we have about 1/3 the people as them. however, we always pull in somewhere in the top 10 in the state and have a blast anyways! im only a latin 2 student so the first time i went was last year, but it was teh best weekend ever!

By Texan (Texan) on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 10:50 pm: Edit

that still cool tho...nationals was in SA so it was kind of boring but it was fun. competiton is always the best fun esp when u go with a lot of friends

yea i feel the same about this year...i think i worry about applications, sat's, and eveyrthing else then actually doing something towards improving it....but i dunno i just cant wait until second semester then we can lay back and relax

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 11:10 pm: Edit

i know~ second semester is the sit back, relax, and WAIT FOR DECISIONS!!!!

this is the take action semester. but im not feeling the action coming my way....

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:43 am: Edit

Twinkle, from your description, you need to sacrifice the social for the sleep. It's not even arguable.
You're going to have a meltdown and implode if you don't...priorities, girl,'re near the end of a very long race, don't blow it now.


We went to my brother's wedding in San Diego this weekend. Only, because of Nutcracker rehearsal [already!], D couldn't go. So Saturday morning she drove to ballet, drove back home for her French horn private lesson, drove to a friend's house to spend the night, drove to church this morning [was scheduled as an altar server], and drove back home all by herself. She thought it was weird not to have anyone in the car with her at all, not making comments or anything.

D's playing her wish list close to her vest, doesn't want to jinx it. I think she'd be very happy with the Spanish solo.


Sunshine, I truly hope that D's French teacher is not that bad. There's only one who teaches French 3 and her schedule is impossible as it is, so she's stuck.

Twinkle, the thing is that D doesn't *need* busy work to raise her Government grade and would rather have an interesting and energetic class...she hates being bored.

In other news, she took a practice SAT today...and got a 1580. I just about choked. If she does within 50 points of that on October 11, I'm breaking out the champagne.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:47 am: Edit

GOD! I can't wait until 2nd semester. Then I will be able to breathe, eat and sleep, seriously. I bet I'm losing weight from pure stress, which I can'r really complain about, but I'm pretty sure it's not that healthy, either. Until then, I'm just going to keep going until I hit the end of my rope, or the end of January, WHATEVER comes first. I can't let this whole process, and getting through my school work, studying, and staying on top of my ECs get me completely down. I mean, I'm not going to succumb to the pressure.

By the way, somehow I've... um... ended up with 5 APs. Long story. Will describe later. I'm not in a physics class anymore. Yup, stuff happens. I probably lost my shot into any top school, but they probably wouldn't have wanted me anyway. I'm not going to completely twist my life around and kiss the ground an adcom walks on. I mean, yes, to an extent, I try to make myself appealing as possible to a college's admissions committee. But there are some things I cannot do. I try to be limitless and invincible and DO EVERYTHING and I still think I'm doing that. I just may have to go about it in a different way than some kids. You'll look throigh my transcript/ app, and there will be no AP science or math. Heck, there won't be a full sequence of science. I realize that. It's not the BEST decision but if I'm flunking out of physics terribly (which is not an exaggeration) and I'm miles behind the kids in the CP class, it's not worth it for me. I'd rather take another AP and do well in it, as opposed to swallowing a C or D or even F in physics. I kind of like physics, but there isn't much point in my taking it. I want to learn the concepts and how physics is applied to like muscular movement and that type of thing, but I literally cannot do the steps to find the answers to the problems. The concepts fly right over my head. Maybe *50* colleges in the nation will find me dumb and unworthy for their school, but I've hit a point where I cannot feel bad anymore. I'm not selling my soul to them and then getting rejected by them anyway. I've tried my hardest, maxed out what **I** am capable of, and it's the best I can be right now. There are things I wish I could do differently and would have done differently, but I realize that this is what I have and there are certain things that I cannot do, but that's *okay* because some colleges are bound to appreciate the things that I can do and recognize me as someone worthy for their class. My senior year schedule may or may not be most rigorous now, because it's changed a bit but WHATEVER, it's still a demanding schedule, just not in a math-science oriented way; in a Twinkle-oriented way. :) Which is different but still not bad either.

By the way I DO NOT miss middlle school... middle school rather sucked... I was so awkward back then, hehe.

THEDAD--- congrats to D!!!! OMG!!! a 1580!!! that's incredible!!! By the way, I took a practice and got a 1330... I think I may not bother with the October SAT. It's not improving very much but I am very psyched for your D, that's amazing. Can we say... Yalie 2008;)

By the way, you're not the first person who has warned of the melt down. Why don't III see that happening? I don't know, it's like I see this goal I want, and I'm going to fight for it until I've given up everything in me, and then a little more. I know I should cut the social stuff a bit. I know I shouldn't have partied this weekend and went down to the beach because I could have been sleeping then... then more confusing ex b/f related stuff, too, which is just kind of bothering me, even though it would be. (No wonder why I can't concentrate in school some days!) But I also get extremely jumpy with no social life, either. I'm just frustrated and confused and I want to figure everything out and it's just... I don't know, not working, lol. I'm more of a machine than anything, now, it seems like, even with social stuff in sporadically.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 02:31 am: Edit

"...which is just kind of bothering me, even though it would"N'T... (the rest should say, be that big of a deal if everything else wasn't getting messed up at once). Damned typos.

Finally DONE with my English essay... sleepy time now!!!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 03:04 am: Edit

I know that machine-like feeling and it's no way to live...but sometimes it has to be endured in the short-term. Once upon a somewhen, I was a cross-country runner...that ability to keep going and even go into a kick to finish strongly at the end of a race bred a certain kind of psychological toughness. You may need to get your social life in 10-minute doses...a call to a girlfriend one day, a cup of coffee with another on another.

Easy to say, hard to do, but the ex-b/f stuff isn't worth it.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 04:01 pm: Edit

That machine-like feeling describes this year to a tee, but I don't know how much longer this can continue. Machines aren't perfect and they break down sometimes too, and it's just like I still feel wiped from last school year, if that is even possible. Maybe it's not but I'm just... tired. Sigh. I'm going to miss my normal social life though... the summer is *so* perfect but real life isn't like that and I just have to suck it up and deal with it.

Maybe I'm tired because I haven't eaten yet or had my coffee/diet coke fix...later.

By the way, the ex b/f stuff really isn't worth it, but it gets tricky when that person is still majorly in YOUR life picture.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:13 pm: Edit

To keep the machine from breaking down: sleep. diet. Diet means a decent balance of protein and carbs to keep you going, not fixes of coffee or diet coke. When you burn the candle at both ends, you get a meltdown.'ll feel better and have more energy & stamina if you have both.

So...which five AP classes are you taking?

By O71394658 (O71394658) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:24 pm: Edit

Hey y'all. First Monday of the year out of the way. Only about 20 minutes of homework tonight....

I went online and found this schedule. This is the schedule for college adcoms coming to our school during the year.

Pomona College, PA 10/08
Boston University, MA 10/08
New York University 10/08
West Chester University, PA 10/09
Fordham University, NY 10/10
University of Bridgeport, CT 10/10
Columbia University, NY 10/16
Virginia Commonwealth Univ. 10/17
Virginia Wesleyan College 10/17
Johns Hopkins University, MD 10/21
Loyola College, MD 10/25
Lafayette College 10/25
Colby College, ME 10/28
Catholic Univ. of America, DC 10/29
Univ. of MD/College Park 10/04
Lehigh University PA 10/04
Lock Haven University, PA 10/12

I'm going to attend the Columbia and Lafayette sessions, and probably NYU just to get out of class

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:15 pm: Edit

yeah my social life dies when school starts. during the summer, i go out at least twice a week for 4-5 hours at a time. now-nothing.

except for 2 home football games. and i had to do face paitning and sell tickets so that wasnt exactly "social." resembled "work" much more. didnt really get to hang out with my friends. then saturday is all day homework, and sunday is that stupid DUMB Kaplan SAT prep class that my parents made me retake since my SATs are on 10/11 (congrats TheDad for your D's 1580 btw!).

this dumb class is just awful. last time i took it we had 4 kids, all fairly bright (eventually scoring 1400+). this time, on the practice tests, NOBODY in my class of 9 got over a 1000 but me. i just want to cry. all the rest of the kids go to the same private school of 200 kids/class and the girl who is 1st in their class is in my class...with a 980...who doesnt know the meaning of "sage" and "pompous." astonishing.

so i sit there and listen to the instructor teach basic geometry and algebra and wishing to sleep or do hw or something. the only thing the class does is FORCE me to do 40 hours of SAT prep a month before the test, which is actually helpful. but it takes up so much time (12 hours/week). i swear i better get a 1500...

weeknights are go home, eat snack, do hw, take break, eat dinner, do hw...

what an interesting life.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:35 pm: Edit

Sunshine, I don't know that she'll hit the same score on the real thing but her confidence is now way up and she's a funny but not as confident as she should be for the level of smartness, if you know what I mean. The big breakthrough on this test was that she omitted zero, down from 8-9. Apparently her test-taking speed finally cranked up, for whatever reason.

Your travails with Kaplan reinforce our on-the-surface more costly decision to go with a PR tutor for one-on-one. D's ballet schedule made a regular class impossible but the unanticipated upside was that the entire time was geared *entirely to her needs*, nothing wasted on stuff she got.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:37 pm: Edit

Hi, O71. Enjoy the light homework while you can...six AP's? Yikes.

I haven't gotten the College Visiting list yet...there are a maximum of eight D (and I) are interested in and I'm sure that most won't be visiting.

By Sunshine916 (Sunshine916) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:56 pm: Edit

i wish i could get a one-on-one tutor now but its probably too late! i ALWAYS told my parents that the tutor would be more useful since my math score is 800 and half the class is taught for math and I DONT NEED IT. the time would be much better used toward my horendous inability to comprehend critical reading passages. i've probably spent over $1000 on kaplan now, and im betting its useless.

with the type of class im in now, i dont listen to a word the teacher says and just go through the book and do the questions myself blocking out everything in class. i am not getting any sort of instruction. for the PSAT Kaplan class last year, i got 3 hours of one-on-one becuase i was the only person who showed up for the last class (haha!) and my writing score jumped from 62 to 73 so it really helps me.

one on one is expensive...but so are the classroom courses. and i really dont have the time to spend 4 hours in a class and 2 hours on the road back and forth.

i guess classroom courses were the wrong decision, but its a bit late now.
0713-wow you are lucky today. 6 APs=crazy amts of work. i agree with TheDad. enjoy this day while you can. in a week or so you will be SWAMPED

By Kushm (Kushm) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:35 pm: Edit

Hmm.. we just started a ping-pong club in school... should be delightfully fun. Can't wait.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:47 pm: Edit

I may actually get in bed before ONE tonight, I am seriously excited to go to bed "early". Haha. It's funny how you get to appreciate the little things. I see what you mean about a "meltdown", thedad (btw nice candle analogy!!) and I probably would be able to function better if I slept/ate better during the school year and it definitely is something that I'm working on, even if it means forcing myself to eat breakfast or lunch or something before I go to an EC or get home. I was good about that during the summer but during the school year I'm either too busy or I'm not hungry enough or I just don't feel like it, lol. Which aren't very good excuses. But anyway, good luck with D getting within that same score range on the 10/11 administration! Even if she got a 1510 it would be AMAZING!!! And... it could always go the other way... as in the big 1-6-0-0. LOL, I think it's so amazing when people are able to break 1400. That means that you've either totally aced one section or only got a few wrong on each section which is just incredible imo. I did a verbal practice test today... I didn't have it in me to touch the math, lol. I just took one look at it and pushed it aside and went on to do some other exciting homework. APs are just excessive sometimes. I like my classes but the HW load is just.... amazing. Maybe I overestimated my ability to make such a big jump from just having one AP last year...

Our first home football game isn't for awhile, I don't think... why do you have to paint faces at the games btw Sunshine? I wish we had more school spirit at games and stuff, lol.

Back to homework :):):):) I feel like I'm, forgetting something but if I remember I'll post back later... a new thread should be made soon, shouldn't it?

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 12:49 am: Edit

Yeah, this thread is getting slow to load. Why don't you put the new thread, Part IV, into the College Search forum instead of WAMC?

I tell you, I know the bit about being too busy to eat...I *still* have problems with that. But verily I say unto you, you will smiteth your body and your ideas will fall on stoney ground unless you repent of your ways, for so it is written.

By Twinkletoes696 (Twinkletoes696) on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 01:00 am: Edit

Thedad...for crying out loud you've gone SHAKESPEARIAN! (Note: I haven't the faintest idea of what smitheth means, but I'll use my super SAT context clues skills to take a stab at it.) Being too busy to eat is true in some ways... I mean people do say "well you can always find time" but sometimes I almost forget about it. It's not the first thing on my agenda, even though it should be more of a priority.

ALMOST done with the homework... finally!!!

I made the part 4 of this thread and moved it.

By Dirrtytenor (Dirrtytenor) on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 08:20 pm: Edit

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