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It seems like the term "Ivy League" has picked up a new meaning.

People simply refer to all of the desired schools, unlike its original meaning, when they say Ivies.


My guess of "Ivy schools":
Amherst
Swarthmore
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
MIT
Stanford
Columbia

By Uncchlocalmayor (Uncchlocalmayor) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 10:54 am: Edit

I just think Ivy League being in that athletic conference...

By Varr_Rdz00 (Varr_Rdz00) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 12:39 pm: Edit

Ivies are top schools not the ones that they all wanna go to
and uh yeah its true that it has lost its meaning cus ive talked to people and some only desire to go to that school because of its campus!!!! that’s just stupid u have to research about the school before u go apply!
and uh there are some real good schools it don’t necessarily need to be a top 10 school
but oh well I guess everyone can dream eh?

By Deepak (Deepak) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 01:09 pm: Edit

Ivy League is just a fancy name for a bunch of colleges who wanted to make an athletic conference for all their crappy (yeah they suck) sports teams to play in. Nothing more than that.

By Jamesthebrain (Jamesthebrain) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 06:53 pm: Edit

We all know people are hyped with the Ivies to the point where they hate 'em. But, to say they suck (especially athletics) is a big mistake. Look at Princeton, they'd kill almost anyone at Lacrosse. (UPenn, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc. are all Divison I-Let's see if Deepak can get a scholarship to play at any of those schools)

By Deepak (Deepak) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 08:05 pm: Edit

They suck where it counts. Columbia's basketball record last year?, worst in their entire hsitory, 2-26. In headlined division 1 sports (where there is a larger market), basketball, football, baseball etc., the Ivy's don't do well. If I was ambiguous with the post, then my mistake--But it isn't a far stretch at all to say the Ivy's lack in athletics with the larger market sports. ;)

By Howdydoody (Howdydoody) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 09:43 pm: Edit

I think the Ivies of the message boards are basically the actual eight Ivies, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Caltech, MIT, Stanford, Duke, JHU, Georgetown, and a few others I am probably leaving out. Those are essentially the "elites," IMHO.

By Tuannguyen (Tuannguyen) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 10:01 pm: Edit

Why do some people have to warp the word Ivy into anything else? It's simply a sports league containing 8 colleges who play eachother all the time since they probably won't win any matches outside of the league.

If i was MIT, Caltech, Duke, Stanford or any of those schools i'd feel insulted if someone called me an Ivy. People have been calling them Ivy wannabees forever, and just because they strive to be the best in educating undergrad and grad students!

I'd rather call the ORIGINAL Ivies by the name of Ivy, and call the rest of the schools that are gradually beating (or already are beating) the Ivies by the term of "Elite" or "Good" or even "Dream" colleges. Keep it simple.

By stamping the name Ivy on every good college is like saying a good college can't be good without being an Ivy! That's rediculous, that's just not a fair assumption at all (but i believe people have already been doing this for a long long time, like the small and quasi Ivy groups, but whatever, this is just my opinion).

By Apguy (Apguy) on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 10:23 pm: Edit

The Ivy League did begin with the athletic conference and was just a group of schools then, today however the name ivy league is synonymous with prestigious and selective colleges. Probably because all the members of the ivy league ARE prestigious and selective.

By Lethalfang (Lethalfang) on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 03:07 am: Edit

You are right schools like MIT are insulted if you call them Ivy, because most Ivy schools (if not all) are actually inferior to them.

By Troy (Troy) on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 06:04 am: Edit

Ivy is a sport league...keep it that way. Interestingly, the ivy league use to be a really good sports league. Ivies along with Army and Navy were top notch sports programs in the early 20th century. As for today, I would say Upenn produces a respectable basketball team and Harvard just won the national title in crew.

As far as elite schools are concerned, Stanford fields the best athletic program...

By Bbalin (Bbalin) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 02:50 pm: Edit

The Wall Street Journal "New Ivies"

Duke
Georgetown
Johns Hopkins
NYU
Northwestern
Ponoma
Rice
Swarthmore
Notre Dame
Vassar
Williams

By Mm314 (Mm314) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 03:01 pm: Edit

Uh Deepak...all ivies definetly do not suck at sports. That's too broad and vague a claim to make.

Like Jamesthebrain said Princeton has one of the best lacrosse teams (and at one point basketball) in all D1. And Harvard, Princeton, Cornell, Upenn, and Columbia have great Wrestling Teams, each one of those schools sent and placed members in the NCAA Tournament.

By Brady12 (Brady12) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 03:25 pm: Edit

The Ivies are:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Brown
Cornell
UPenn
Columbia
Dartmouth

Other schools like Stanford, Rice, Swarthmore, Amherst, Georgetown are just really good, competitive desired schools. Colleges are becoming increasingly competitive, you can't simply add more colleges to the list of ivies simply because theres a demand for them...the ones listed above are the traditional ivies.

By Deepak (Deepak) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Mm314, reread my post. Lacrosse does not have a large market in America...Neither does crew

By Apguy (Apguy) on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 04:14 pm: Edit

"The Wall Street Journal "New Ivies"

Duke
Georgetown
Johns Hopkins
NYU
Northwestern
Ponoma
Rice
Swarthmore
Notre Dame
Vassar
Williams "

Okay, that list is a load of crap. Stanford, Carnegie Mellon, Emory, MIT, Caltech, University of Chicago, Amherst and Tufts are all behind NYU and Notre Dame? Stanford should not even be in the same sentence NYU. Stanford is arguably better than well over half of the ivies.

Ugh. Can't any of these newspapers/magazines get these things right?

By Dream5 (Dream5) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 01:53 am: Edit

MIT, Amherst, Stanford, and Swarthmore are simply better than Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, or Upenn.

It's Pomona, not Ponoma.

By Fender1 (Fender1) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 03:25 am: Edit

LACs should not be considered in the same rankings as univerisities. It's two completely different methods of instruction. It's like comparing apples to some other round fruit, possibly orange in color.

By Howdydoody (Howdydoody) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 03:57 am: Edit

"MIT, Amherst, Stanford, and Swarthmore are simply better than Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, or Upenn.

It's Pomona, not Ponoma."

Dream5, why do you always leave out Williams? It is every bit as good as Amherst, and probably a bit better than Swarthmore.

By B18c1cx (B18c1cx) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 09:36 am: Edit

I agree with ApGuy. The "Wall Street Journal New ivies" are WAY off. It makes me wonder if they are "plugging" schools which don't currently have national reputations. With schools like G-town and Duke, ppl near nyc may not know just how good they are so they want to be on that list too. It would get redundant and boring seeing a list with all the ivies minus brown and adding stanford(or something like that).

Do you guys think I am crazy or can some schools make gifts in return for a ranking from a reputed source?

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 09:41 am: Edit

I think some of the schools game the system of criteria like crazy.

By Uncchlocalmayor (Uncchlocalmayor) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 09:45 am: Edit

we all know ivy league conference athletics suck...i was just joking around about the definition of ivy league. HYP and MIT come to mind when i think ivy.

By Dream5 (Dream5) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 01:15 pm: Edit

Fender, I disagree.

Ivy League schools undergraduate programs all focus on liberal arts. Among the top schools, probably MIT is the most different from LAC's, not Ivies. In what sense, are LAC's are "completely different" from ivy schools?

Of course, there will be minor differences, but if so, it is not fair to rank universities in the first place.

Everyone has to find a place where he/she can be most comfortable at, and easy to grow as a person. I am against ranking universities, but I was just pointing out that "Wall Street Journal New Ivies" are simply wrong.


Howygoody:
My bad. Williams is better than the doormat ivies.

By Morgantruce (Morgantruce) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 03:34 pm: Edit

For the average, status-challenged, snob-in-training who finds threads such as this one intellectually stimulating... IVY means:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Brown
Cornell
UPenn
Columbia
Dartmouth
... and the school they will be attending.

Anyone so unfortunate not to be attending one of those nine schools, will be thought of as a loser.

----

If you find yourself thinking that way, I urge you to spend MORE time on finding schools that are really a good match for you, and LESS time looking at the US News rankings. If all you want is what everyone else wants, you're going to have a miserable life.

"Snap out of it!"
--Cher, in "Moonstruck"

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 04:09 pm: Edit

If all you want is what everyone else wants, you're going to have a miserable life.

Man, does MT ever call that one right.

Beyond the surface truth of that statement, consider whether or not you're the slightest bit of a control freak. If yes, why do you want someone else's choices controlling whether or not *you* are happy?

By Bbalin (Bbalin) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 12:50 am: Edit

My personal thought on what people think "ivies" are:

Amherst
Harvard
Vassar
Yale
Princeton
MIT
Stanford
Johns Hopkins
Dartmouth
Georgetown
University of Chicago

By Morgantruce (Morgantruce) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:21 am: Edit

Oh... have mercy!

By Dream5 (Dream5) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:31 am: Edit

Bbalin:

I'd take out Vassar, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Chicago.

By Quakerboy2 (Quakerboy2) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 02:19 am: Edit

The reason that the NYT has "new ivies" is that they are trying to give the parents an idea of some colleges that are as broad as those in the Ivy League and are, at this point, as selective as the Ivies were 40 years ago or whenever they applied to them. "New Ivies" is not their term for the latest 8 great colleges in America that aren't already Ivy. Stanford is not on there because it's already better than most Ivies. MIT and CalTech aren't on there because they're too narrow.

They're just trying to give a comparison for all those parents trying to figure out why, if granddaddy went to Harvard, why can't little Johnny?

By Pisces (Pisces) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 03:21 pm: Edit

The whole "New Ivies" thing is probably the same as the "Hidden Ivies" and the "Little Ivies." People who dont know what theyre talking about want to be able to say that the school their child is attending is on par with an Ivy League. It would be nice if people realized that there are schools out there that are as good as or better than the ivies, but all these rankings really do is fuel the name-recognition obsessed students and parents. When you go out to get a job or start grad school, anyone who cares whether your school was listed on the NYT New Ivies list isnt going to be worth your time.