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By Number9 (Number9) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:37 pm: Edit

Some of those questions, ughhh...

I really have no idea whether to feel confident or not after it. I think it was harder than last year's AP.

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:51 pm: Edit

I had a tough time with a lot of it. I omitted 2 and know for sure that I got at least 4-5 wrong, and much more than that wouldn't surprise me a bit.

I'm considering cancelling. I was hoping there would be more people on the board who took it, so we could compare answers and I'd have a better idea of how I did.

How do you think the curve will be?

By Anjin (Anjin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit

i took it. Anyone wanna compare answers?

By Number9 (Number9) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:05 pm: Edit

Hopefully lenient.

Im just trying to remember anything I put down, here's what I had for a few:
Stamp Act raised the question of British right to tax the colonies.
Saratoga was what destroyed Britain's chances of keeping New England.
The Thomas Paine excerpt was about reaching out to non-English immigrants.
Smallpox killed off the indians.
French aid helped the most.
The Reagan cartoon was about spending too much money on the Star Wars crap, while more important things.
Truman administration saw integrated blacks in the armed services.
The one poem about Californy, I put a SC politician (no clue, really).
The cartoon with Uncle Sam was imperial America taking non-continenous lands.
The Seneca Falls conference discussed all except birth control.
Jefferson and Hamilton both believed in the good of people (no clue either).
Roger Williams would most support free religion.
Indentured Servants would be most needed for tobacco cultivation prior to 1650 (prolly wrong).
The Sears Roebuck catalog I said it didn't shy people away from department stores.
I said vocational training for the Booker T Washington one.
Marshall Plan was to aid post-war Europe.
I put the diplomatic strategies with warring Europe one for the yalta talks/lend-lease agreement/something else.

I probably missed a lot.

By Anjin (Anjin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:06 pm: Edit

Waht did people get for teh "Californy" exert?
I got it ws a senator who opossed teh nexican war.

By Redhare317 (Redhare317) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:05 pm: Edit

Number 9, I have to agree with almost all of your answers. Except I didn't really know much about what ended British chances of keeping New England. About the Californy one, I had no idea. What about the question about Greenland, Africa, etc. (the poem)? It may have been an easy question, but I had to self study because I didn't take a course, so I didn't know what it was about.

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:13 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember what they put for the map that asked about which regions entered the Union as slave states?

I think my answer was II and III.

By Anjin (Anjin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:16 pm: Edit

mine was 4 and 5

By Socalnick (Socalnick) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:22 pm: Edit

i owned that test it was so easy. the only one i omitted was the one with some passage about diety or something. did anyone else get that?

By Socalnick (Socalnick) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:22 pm: Edit

sry double post

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:43 pm: Edit

The test was, by far, harder than the AP exam.

What was the one about the railroad car and altering people's diets? The refrigerated car?

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:52 pm: Edit

I put refrigerated car. It made the most sense to me, but I really wasn't sure.

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:53 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember what was the issue Progressive reformers cared least about?

By Aaronmp3 (Aaronmp3) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:02 pm: Edit

racism/segregation was the answer for the progressive question - im pretty sure

By Aaronmp3 (Aaronmp3) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:04 pm: Edit

Also, does anyone know what the curve is like - i skipped two and probably got like 4 to 6 wrong

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:09 pm: Edit

segregation

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:15 pm: Edit

The curve in Real SAT II's seems very generous. Does anyone know if its realistic?

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:17 pm: Edit

The curve this time is going to suck... Curves are based on the previou test, right? If so, we're all screwed because the last time the test was offered was in june, around the time of AP Tests...

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:21 pm: Edit

No, a new curve is designed for each test. I'm nearly positive it has nothing to do with the previous administration, unless its a recycled test, in which case it may have something to do with the last time the exact same test was given.

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:27 pm: Edit

Redhare317 - I said that question was about missionaries, but I really had no clue.

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:30 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure the curve is based on the previous test... for the SAT I anyway.

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Maybe you're right. I've always had an understanding that for both the SAT and the SAT II's, the curve was determined by the testmakers upon the making of the test.

Does anyone else have any idea about this?

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:53 pm: Edit

That could be true... I don't know. I'm so misinformed w/regard to the SATs anyway.

Either way, i hope the curve is generous. Anyone know?

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:59 pm: Edit

Can you guys post the questions and answers to as many questions as you can remember? I'm really interested in seeing how I did because i'm not sure whether i want to cancel my scores or not yet.

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:05 pm: Edit

Questions I remember:
- What was a main issue of the Lincoln-Douglass Debates? I put Mexican War because I was thinking about slavery in the territory, but I'm pretty sure the answer was Dred-Scott.
- Something about steamboats in the 1820's and 30's.
- South Carolina's main crop was rice.
- There was a question about Reagan's economic policies, which I don't remember, but I know I got very wrong.
- Also, what was the vision of Eugene Debs? Answer choices included national income distributed equally and major industries and natural resources controlled by the government.

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:45 pm: Edit

Lincoln-Douglas debates = dred scott case
steamboat question - i put it halted railroad production temporarily, but i honestly had no idea and that doesn't seem reasonable.

For the S.C. one, i put corn lol... Once again, I had no earthly idea.

The "reagan revolution" was the deregulation of businesses i think.

By Chidimma (Chidimma) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:54 pm: Edit

I have most of the stuff the rest of you guys have. I thought it was a good test, yeah a bit harder than the AP MC questions. Some were pretty straightforward. I have no complaints! I hope I did well. ;)

RESPONSES:
1.What did people get for teh "Californy" exert?
I got it ws a senator who opossed teh nexican war. [ME 2]
2.Also, what was the vision of Eugene Debs? Answer choices included national income distributed equally and major industries and natural resources controlled by the government.
[He wanted socialism- so I put the industries and resources run by gvmt]

3.What was a main issue of the Lincoln-Douglass Debates? [I put Mexican War also. Kind of iffy]

4. South Carolina's main crop [RICE]

5. Something about steamboats in the 1820's and 30's. [LEFT BLANK ]

6. Does anyone remember what was the issue Progressive reformers cared least about? [racism/segregation ]


7. What about the question about Greenland, Africa, etc. (the poem)? [was smething about imperialism under this? ....]

8. Does anyone remember what they put for the map that asked about which regions entered the Union as slave states? [I PUT 4 AND 5 Missouri and. umm, 2nd state, anyone?]

9. NUMBER9, I have most of the same answers as you. UM,, for The Sears Roebuck catalog, I dont remember the choices, but I think I put somethign different. I reread that question like 10 times. All answers seemed like something it DID do. ANYONE remember the answer choices?

OKay. I'm done!

By Anjin (Anjin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:13 pm: Edit

"8. Does anyone remember what they put for the map that asked about which regions entered the Union as slave states? [I PUT 4 AND 5 Missouri and. umm, 2nd state, anyone?] "
It was missouri and Kansas. You are correct.
For the Greeland to Africa, it was a senator who was advocating expansion.

By Anjin (Anjin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:15 pm: Edit

Oh, what didn't teh mesoamericans have during teh colonial period? I put waterwheel.

By Tormima (Tormima) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:39 pm: Edit

for the map one I put I think it was 3 and 4 (Arkansas and Texas)

By Socalnick (Socalnick) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:54 pm: Edit

i dont think kansis entered as a slave state. Rember bleeding kansis in us history. I am certian texas was a slave state and arkansis is below the maison dixon line so it should have entered as a slave state.

By Redhare317 (Redhare317) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:57 pm: Edit

i put 4 and 5. the other ones didn't seem right. But honestly, i didn't even know the names of states 4 and 5

By Socalnick (Socalnick) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:10 pm: Edit

"Several attempts were made to draft a constitution which Kansas could use to apply for statehood. Some versions were proslavery, others free state. Finally, a fourth convention met at Wyandotte in July 1859, and adopted a free state constitution. Kansas applied for admittance to the Union. However, the proslavery forces in the Senate strongly opposed its free state status, and stalled its admission. Only in 1861, after the Confederate states seceded, did the constitution gain approval and Kansas become a state. "(pbs site)

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit

I put 3 and 4 and the waterwheel.

By Xjay2max (Xjay2max) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:31 pm: Edit

i put "4 and 5" and the waterwheel.

wasn't 3 Texas? Texas = slave state?

iono.

i thought this test was in the middle - it wasn't horrible, but i can't say it was amazingly easy either. you had to know your stuff (i.e., the marshall plan - they had the definition for truman doctrine there also)

and yes, saratoga is like the biggest turning point in the american revolution.

and yes, progressives did not exactly care about racism.

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:37 pm: Edit

The answer was definitely 3 and 4. Kansas entered as a free state, and texas definitely enetered as a slave state.

By Anjin (Anjin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:10 pm: Edit

Kansas entered as a slave state. I am sur of it. Thats what led to bleeding Kansas. Missouri defnitely entered as a slave state.
I put waterwheel as well.

By Socalnick (Socalnick) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:20 pm: Edit

yes moussori entered as a slave state, but guess what mussori wasnt an answer choice. Besides bleeeding kansis was because the vote originally chose to adopt a slave state constitution, but peopel from moussori came to vote in the election so the congress voted aginst admitting them. Because of this there was fighting between anti and pro slave people.

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:32 pm: Edit

Kansas did NOT enter as a slave state. Look it up online. Missouri, of course, entered as a slave state, but it wasn't a choice.

The answer was 3 and 4 (texas and arkansas).

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:35 pm: Edit

Also, thats not what led to bleeding kansas... Bleeding kansas happened because president pierce (??? not sure if he was the president at the time or not) acknowledged the makeshift govt that moved into kansas and set up after popular sovreignty was announced.

By Philliesphan54 (Philliesphan54) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:48 pm: Edit

i put down arkansas and texas for that question because texas was obvious and arkansas was in the deep south, so i guess thats kinda obvious too

By Silmon77 (Silmon77) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:30 pm: Edit

These are some of the answers I put down. I was fairly sure about almost all my answers on the test. I am a massive history buff (I got a 5 on the AP US History exam without breaking a sweat), so I should know my stuff.

[1] Kansas NEVER actually entered the union as a slave state, it was merely a slave-territory.

[2] Saratoga was not during the War of 1812, so that was wrong. Lake Champlain was the answer.

[3] The Progressive answer was racism/segregation (Wilson was a progressive, but he was a big racist).

[4] With Booker T. Washington, he advocated economic progress, and that civil rights would soon follow.

[5] Thomas Paine was about persuading people to reject loyalty against England. I did an essay on him, and he was a strong advocate of independence.

[6] With the Sears one, the only one that made sense was the department store answer.

[7] Lincoln-Douglas debates were about the Dred Scott decision, as it was made just a year before.

[8] I put that Eugene Debs wanted income distributed among the people. Socialism is NOT the same as communism.

[9] For the Califory one, I put the Senator against the Mexican War. Many northerners were against the war, because they feared additional slave states from newly conquered lands, and California was acquired in the Mexican War.

[10] I put missionaries as the poem one about Greenland and India, because none of the other choices made sense.

[11] Reagan was for supply-side economics, and since he was a conservative, was most likely for the loosening of regulations on businesses.

[12] I put that Jefferson and Hamilton were for an aristocracy of talent, because the founding fathers did not have much respect for the masses to make proper civic decisions (one reason we have the electoral college, instead of direct elections).


ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS?

By Thaibinh (Thaibinh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:40 pm: Edit

hey

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:02 pm: Edit

There was a map accompanied by 3 sets of 3 graphs, which described slave importation by area and by era.

Does anyone remember the questions and answer choices?

By Chidimma (Chidimma) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:41 pm: Edit

I dont remember that...

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:44 pm: Edit

False alarm.

That was on the Real SAT II's practice test. Sorry kids.

By Socalnick (Socalnick) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:39 pm: Edit

for the debs one i put the one with unions because wasnt he the leader of some national union

By Student001 (Student001) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:36 pm: Edit

*texas and arkansas were the slaves states
* does anybody recall the question bout the "redistricting" of counties btw 1900-1960?
i put suburbs bc the "white flight"
*i put the halting of canals for that 1830s trasportations question...
*btw didn't jefferson & hamilton only agree on the talent of aristocrats
* mormons were prosecuted for polygamy

all in all i found the test to be ez...based of Real SAT II subject test

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:38 pm: Edit

No... The answer was distribution of income.

I agree with all of Silmon's answers. I also got a 5 on the AP exam without breaking a sweat, but i thought this was kinda tough.

By Number9 (Number9) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:56 pm: Edit

You're all full of •••• if you think that was easy. I easily got a 5 on the AP test, and still, I had problems on this.

By Lindseylujh (Lindseylujh) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:10 am: Edit

To back up what Student001 asked: What did everyone get for the question about redistricting between 1900 and 1960?

By Silmon77 (Silmon77) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:49 am: Edit

I really wanted to put suburbs gaining more power, as they were getting larger, but if boundaries werent changing to reflect that, then the suburbs were under-represented. Instead I put voter registration.

Its one of the handful im not confident about.

By Tired_Student (Tired_Student) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:19 am: Edit

did the bay of pigs thing destroy american credibility?

By Number9 (Number9) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:53 am: Edit

I said so.

By Xjay2max (Xjay2max) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:48 pm: Edit

Of course. It was a COVERT operation that FAILED. America was considered a "superpower" remember? If a "superpower" FAILED... and America always prides itself on being RIGHT (even today)... then you know... you can figure it out by yourself.

By Tormima (Tormima) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:56 pm: Edit

for the redistricting one, I put something like "the less populated counties gained too much power" because they would have had equal power as a more highly populated county if the boundaries didn't change, right?

By Doctorgonzo (Doctorgonzo) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:48 pm: Edit

For the redistricting it was the rural counties, as, from 1900 to 1960, the growth of industrialized cities and the suburbs caused many to leave the rural areas, thus making their power disproportionate to their actual population.

By Redhare317 (Redhare317) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:48 pm: Edit

For the redistricing one, I guessed choice A, but I forgot exactly what A said. Did the Spanish American war demonstrate the Corollary? I put that, but didn't the Corollary come after? I forgot what the question asked.

By Doctorgonzo (Doctorgonzo) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:58 pm: Edit

For the Hamilton and Jefferson question, does any remember the choices? I know they didnt agree on talent of the aristocracy and "good of the people" (Jackson thought presidents should sit for life, as they general public couldn’t be trusted (very Hobbesian school of thought), and was in favor of the New England aristocracy (Bank of the US) while Jefferson was in favor of the yeomanry and clearly a follower of John Locke)

By Chidimma (Chidimma) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:59 pm: Edit

Wasn't there a question on Harding and Coolidge? Anyone remember it?

By Redhare317 (Redhare317) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:13 pm: Edit

Harding and Coolidge both supported businesses.

By Anjin (Anjin) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Correct. Did anyone get the cartoon with Sacco-Vanzetti trial? I forgot what I put.

By Tormima (Tormima) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:01 pm: Edit

was the answer something like "building up the relationships between business and government"?

By Nexusgeo (Nexusgeo) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:02 pm: Edit

There was a question about the Spanish-American
war.. it asked what the US did in connection to
the Spanish-American war.. I think I put that
the US acquired overseas colonies or something.

By Redhare317 (Redhare317) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:40 pm: Edit

Sacco-Vanzetti: Justice is blind. The predominant nativist attitude revealed that there was no such thing as justice.

By Anjin (Anjin) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:46 pm: Edit

Hmm, I might have guessed that one correctly.
For teh one with teh 1900 thing, I put US trying to acquire overseas colonies.

By Tired_Student (Tired_Student) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:20 pm: Edit

the sacco-vanzetti trial thing I put that the Puritan values or something influenced the harsh punishment. I chose this because the guy in the picture holding the axe had on a puritan hat.

By Yugekorb (Yugekorb) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:26 pm: Edit

i put puritan values for sacco-vanzetti. at first i had that justice is blind, but then i looked back at the hat and all...

By Tired_Student (Tired_Student) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:00 pm: Edit

if justice was blind then they wouldnt be executed based on their race-they were immigrants and people were anti-immigrant at the time. I dont remember if they were italian or something else but i know its not justice is blind because justice tried to stop the execution but it failed, thus there was no justice