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By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:13 pm: Edit

so what'd everyone think? the general consensus around here is that the math part was ridiculously easy and the verbal part was ridiculously hard.

which section was experimental? i had 4 verbal - short passages about the word 'cool' and this author guy (which i'm hoping was experimental), something about women in antarctica, another about some william guy who was bad but had a fun childhood, and a weird thing about fruit ripening

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:15 pm: Edit

short passages=experimental

By Spyder2287 (Spyder2287) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:21 pm: Edit

I'm so stupid, i put 11 instead of 10 cause i thought it said less than OR EQUAL to n :( :( :(
What do you think one wrong the math section will be?

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:21 pm: Edit

i made the same mistake!! :(

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:23 pm: Edit

wasnt the last verbal section about man named washington????

By Spyder2287 (Spyder2287) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:24 pm: Edit

" wasnt the last verbal section about man named washington????"

Yeah that was the 15m section. I found it quite difficult.

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:25 pm: Edit

spyder, r u talking abt n=a^2bc question????

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:25 pm: Edit

haykm and spyder what question you talking about? Yes, the last section was about "Washington" the guy that rambled a lot. What did you get for the last QC?

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:26 pm: Edit

the authors of both passages would agree that..?

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:26 pm: Edit

SPyder, if you thought it was less than OR EQUAL u woulda put 10, because 11 was the lowest it could be without being equal. From what I remember...

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:27 pm: Edit

yeah, what do you think about the last ques?

he used to repeat the same story???

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:27 pm: Edit

n=a^2bc was 9 because it said no 1 or 315.

By Spyder2287 (Spyder2287) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:27 pm: Edit

the one i got wrong was the last fill in, something like n= a^2 * b * c where a,b,c are prime. find how the factors of n bigger than 2 and <<<<<<<<<< n

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:28 pm: Edit

theleet, "What did you get for the last QC? "

answer was A i think so

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:29 pm: Edit

does anyone remember the analogy "fixation:preoccupation". Either "solace: compassion" or "trepidation:apprehension" was the answer...

hopefully that was the experimental section.

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:29 pm: Edit

yes, teh answer was 9.

what was teh last QC?

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:29 pm: Edit

Theleet, the last grid in for math... not sure which section.. but ... something like

a^2 * b * c = n

a,b, and c are different prime numbers... how many intergers < n go into n

(3)^2 * 5 * 7 = 315

315 is divisble by 10 integers < 315 ... i thought <=

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:30 pm: Edit

yes, but you can't include 1, it said greater than 2.

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:30 pm: Edit

are u guys talking about 3 prime number problem where u find number of divisors? where do you get 10 and 11

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

ok, thanks lildude I got A too.

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

I'm soooo glad I already have a 780 V. I knew it wasn't going to go up today, I just didn't want it to plummet. I'm not sure that it stayed in 700+, but ah well. I wonder how weird it looks on an adcom's table.

I can't remember the exact math questions you guys are talking about. Please be more clear. I had an answer that I saw as "correct" for every question, but now the hard part is worrying about mistakes.

By Snowjob (Snowjob) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

what was the answer to that one iwth 4 circles? It was #7 and I thought 15pi but that sounds too easy

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

theleet, for the last grid in i think the answer would be 10

suppose a-3, b=5, c=7

then divisors would be

3, 5, 7
3*5, 5*7, 7*3, 3*3
3*5*7, 3*3*5, 3*3*7

By Rmac43 (Rmac43) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

I didn't take the test, Metra - but looking at those answer choices, the answer is trepidation : apprehension

By Anonymous4 (Anonymous4) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:32 pm: Edit

answers i got:
30 question verbal
1) inadvertantly, accident
2) hazardous, benign
7) divisive
12) torch:light-tent:shelter
13) dramatist:play-dancer:troupe
14) sanguine:optimism-tenacious:persistence
15) plutocracy:wealth-meritocracy:talent

Sentence Completion (36 ques)
10. vituperative

Math (25 question)
23/24. which of points listed does not fit: ANSWER(20,30) (others dont fit into the equation 2x+10 not given)
21. which regions represents s(1+s)=s^2+s ANSWER: D?
also got like 5 Cs i thnk in row somewhere aroudn 14-20

Math (10 section)
4.knx symbol question= -52
7. region of area of circle-8pi
9.Right angles that can be made using line segment A-----------B (3 inc)-more than 4
10. 1/2

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:32 pm: Edit

soulstar i got 9.

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:33 pm: Edit

im such a moron...

for:

1/m < 1/k < 0 ... i put -1/2 instead of 1/2 ... grgrrrrrrr


/finds fax paper to cancel scores

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit

the last open math question was 10..
using 315 = 3^2 x 5 x 7...
Factors:
3 x 105
5 x 63
7 x 45
9 x 35
15 x 21

giving us a total of 10, excluding 1 x 315.

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit

I used 3, 5 and 7 and was positive at the time that the answer was 10.

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:35 pm: Edit

••••, i got it wrong :( i guess that blows teh 800 math?

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:35 pm: Edit

last passage abt guy named washington

what was the answer for last ques?

By Spyder2287 (Spyder2287) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:35 pm: Edit

how did u get 8pi?

By Jdp02 (Jdp02) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:36 pm: Edit

I blew the last two sections. The verbal section about the washington crap and the math part which i was too tired to do.

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:36 pm: Edit

"1/m < 1/k < 0 ... i put -1/2 instead of 1/2 ... grgrrrrrrr "

I thought it was 2? It would depend on if it was k/m or m/k. I can't remember.

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:36 pm: Edit

i put providing examples. but that was hard passage so dont count on me

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:37 pm: Edit

i got 15pi for circle inside big outside small

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:38 pm: Edit

"I thought it was 2? It would depend on if it was k/m or m/k. I can't remember."

not sure... but 2 of my friends just told me they put 1/2 ...

By Valk78 (Valk78) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:38 pm: Edit

Dramatist:Play is AUTOBIOGRAPHER:Memoir... can somone confirm this ?? a dramatist writes a play and an autobiographer writes a memoir

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:38 pm: Edit

"i got 15pi for circle inside big outside small"

it seemed too easy.. but i put 15pi too...

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:39 pm: Edit

1/2 because 1/2= -1 / -2 so
1/-1 < 1/-2 < 0

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:39 pm: Edit

21. which regions represents s(1+s)=s^2+s ANSWER: D?

I thought it was A. S(1+s) was the equivalent of l x w to find the area. S^2 + S was the area of the figure by adding the areas of the two areas inside the rectangle. S^2 was the area of the smaller square, and S (Sx1) was the l x w area of the smaller rectangle.

I hope!

By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:40 pm: Edit

I cocur, 10 was the answer, 2,5,7,9,15, 5 pairs equals 10.

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:40 pm: Edit

Anonymous, I agree with all of your answers except: 13) dramatist:play-dancer:troupe ....A dramatist is one who writes plays, while a dancer is a member of a group...I THINK (unless I'm confusing questions), that i put autobiographer: memoir for this one....Otherwise, I agree with all that is said above....Now, for a couple of clarifications:
1. 8 pi or 15 pi for the circles? The wording of this question was terrible. It wasn't clear if the outside largest circle was included or not. So if anyone knows, please clarify.
2. I thought the last passage with Washington was particularly hard....Does anyone remember the questions/answers they put?- I remember there was a difficult question with two faces, and a bunch of other difficult one's as well.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:40 pm: Edit

yea anonymous, how'd u get 8 pi


i know i went waaaaaay down in verbal, but hopefully i brought my math above 750 so i have at least a 1500 composite

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:40 pm: Edit

Soulstar, yep... :( ... im such a moron...

how many math problems can i get wrong and still break 700? 650?

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:41 pm: Edit

Valk, thats what i hesitantly put, too.

and the 15pi seemed ridicuolously easy but thats what i put..

Can we establish which sections werent experimental?

By Math_Enthusiast (Math_Enthusiast) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:41 pm: Edit

1/m < 1/k < 0 -- in regards to that problem, wouldn't a possible value for k/m = 2

For example if m = -2 and k = -4, then -1/2 < -1/4 < 0, and -4/-2 = 2. Am I correct in my reasoning, or am I doing something wrong? By the way 2 was answer (E) I think in the last 10 question math section.

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:41 pm: Edit

torch:light

shouldn't it be odometer:distance

bridge = torch gives/shows light

odometer gives/shows distance

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:42 pm: Edit

Willywonka, i put A too...

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:42 pm: Edit

Willywonka, i put A too...

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:42 pm: Edit

1/2 because 1/2= -1 / -2 so
1/-1 < 1/-2 < 0

You're right. I remember what I did now. I used 2 and 4 for k and m, and I'm pretty sure I put them in the wrong order. Ouch. What a stupid mistake.

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Math_Enthusiast, i believe it was m/k ... not 100% sure though

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

willywonka i got A

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Anonymous4, I got 13) dramatist:play-something: memoir

For the Washington Woodward passage, I got that he praised his mentor by showing his affection? and that he rambles?

As for one of the last questions in a math section, the x^2-y^2=71, i got A) 1??

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

The Washington section was pretty damn hard. I had to half-guess about half the section because the whole passage had no point.

At first it seemed like he like his grandfather more than Washington, then he seems to glorify Washington by explaining his childhood, and then he ends with a sentence thats pretty ambiguous, imo. Does he prefer's Washingtons rambling (which is the answer i put) or his grandfather's stories, which have a point?

By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

lil dude: what were other choices for that problem? i didnt put that

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:44 pm: Edit

torch:light should be tent:shelter....a tent is where shelter is held, torch is where the light is held

By Poop (Poop) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:45 pm: Edit

yeaaa 10 baby

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:45 pm: Edit

yes the answer for k/m = 2

for dramatist:play , i put down autobiographer: memoir

By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:45 pm: Edit

or: torch provides light, tent provides shelter

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:46 pm: Edit

torch provides light as tent provides shelter

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:46 pm: Edit

i put 15pi for the circle one


for washington a couple of answers (which are probably wrong) that i put are:
-affection from washington to show disparity between child/adult
-I and II for the first one
-D for the second one - i put personal experiences was only one of the ways to get info about someone
-2 faces because he wanted an insight into society
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative

hmm cant remember any more

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:47 pm: Edit

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE 90+90+x+x+y with the average problem??? I put 1 for the least value it can be...someone told me it gave us the MEDIAN??? can someone retrace what the question asked?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:48 pm: Edit

For Washington, I put 1. he rambles and then for another question I put that he shows his affection to set up his criticism of him or smething to that effect....Anyone remember any other questions for this passage.....Also, did you guys get Company is to something as answer to an analogy?

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:49 pm: Edit

shaka i put 66

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:49 pm: Edit

shaka, dont u think my bridge seems to make more sense

i hope i am not being rude

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:50 pm: Edit

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE 90+90+x+x+y with the average problem??? I put 1 for the least value it can be...someone told me it gave us the MEDIAN??? can someone retrace what the question asked?

Yes, it gave the median. The median was 85, the mean 83. I tried it from so many different angles and the lowest answer I got was 65.

By Spyder2287 (Spyder2287) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:50 pm: Edit

no m/k is 1/2
the 90+90+x+x+y was 72 i think, yeah the gave the median (y).

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:50 pm: Edit

Lisa, i agree with all except (and i, by no means, am an expert on verbal):
affection for washington shows regret in separation
2 faces because he anticipated the decline of something

and everything else was same

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:50 pm: Edit

A torch provides light.

A tent provides shelter.


____

What was the answer to one sentence completion, about how the narrator admires his/her grandparents's _______ because they went through hardship and still hold true to their convictions or something...

Also, the analogy between PLUTOCRACY::WEALTH?

haha, btw, i'm glad i picked this as my CC username.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:50 pm: Edit

shaka - i'm pretty sure the answer was 85
netmet - i put company: actors or something for one of them

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:50 pm: Edit

66, 84, 85, 90, 90
median= 85
average= 83

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:52 pm: Edit

Im pretty sure the x,x,90,90,y one was 65.

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:52 pm: Edit

soulstar, i think it was 65

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:52 pm: Edit

Shaka: That answer is 65. Did anyone put festive for sociable?

By Iceman5043 (Iceman5043) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:52 pm: Edit

OK, so can we have a consensus? Is the answer to the circle question 15pi or 8pi. I too put 15pi, but I think I got it wrong. BTW, first post!!

By Spyder2287 (Spyder2287) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:53 pm: Edit

noooo.... willywonka's right... another one wrong :(

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:53 pm: Edit

But soulstar, it was x, x and y. Two of the non-90 numbers had to be the same, didn't they?

"What was the answer to one sentence completion, about how the narrator admires his/her grandparents's _______ because they went through hardship and still hold true to their convictions or something..."

Fortitude, I believe.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:53 pm: Edit

sanguine - i put meritocracy:talent

i remember that grandparents one...what were the answer choices?

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:53 pm: Edit

Soulstar that sucks... Since there were TWO x's then they can both be 85, so no need for an 84. With two 85's the answer is 65...

By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:54 pm: Edit

soul, dont forget, there were 2 x's. should have been y, 85, 85, 90, 90 - - 65 was the smallest number.

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:54 pm: Edit

It was 1/k < 1/m < 0: k was first then m. So, since they're both less than zero, k could be -4 and m could be -2 so k/m = 2.

Washington Woodward passage:
Questions I need clarification on please
1. Why did the author write that he loved Woodward?
I put: to put in context later criticisms? I didn't really like this answer but none of the others seemed to fit...
2. What purpose did the description of the two faces serve? or something like that
I put warn of possible disaster because the intro part talked about the sickness and destruction because of a lack of spirituality.


BTW,
I HATE n=(a^2)bc! I HATE IT! I HATE IT! I HATE IT!

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:55 pm: Edit

willywonka i just saw my mistake. its 65. i put fortitude

By Sulskman (Sulskman) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:55 pm: Edit

yez, 65 for median question

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:55 pm: Edit

Willywonka, the grandparents' FORTITUDE

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:56 pm: Edit

Willywonka, the grandparents' FORTITUDE

By Iceman5043 (Iceman5043) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:55 pm: Edit

Mr Sanguine, that answer is fortitude. I am SURE because I wrote a thesis paper on it last year!

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:56 pm: Edit

wait..for 90 90 x x y ..if you use 65 as the smallest, you get 65, 85, 85, 90, 90...but 85 is the median..doesnt that mean like the middle number or something..

By Shoo_Shakin (Shoo_Shakin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:56 pm: Edit

for the question the sets of X, Y, and Z...did it ask for the minimum or maximum number if you did (z-x)/y?

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:57 pm: Edit

i put 69 for that one

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:57 pm: Edit

sorry slipstream but for the one you were talking about, it was m/k and therefore 1/2.

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:57 pm: Edit

sorry slipstream but for the one you were talking about, it was m/k and therefore 1/2.

By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:57 pm: Edit

for the last question in washington passage, shouldn't it be he repeated the same story

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:57 pm: Edit

So was this a recycled SAT?

I already have a 780 m 700 v
If i take it again it'll probably be 800 m 650 v

Is that bad in the eyes of an adcom?

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:58 pm: Edit

Plutocracy: wealth- meritocracy:talent?

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:58 pm: Edit

shoo shaking - yea, i got 2/3 for that

By Strappleberry (Strappleberry) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:59 pm: Edit

yea, anyone remember the analogy answer for plutocracy: wealth?

also, the one with the "how many right triangles can be formed with this line (length 3)" had an answer of __? (I put more than 4)

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:00 pm: Edit

meritocracy:talent

I also put more than 4 for that right triangle one

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:01 pm: Edit

Didnt the passage with plutocracy/wealth have 35 questions?

And the passage with Antarctica/women also had 35 questions..

So which one is the experimental?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:01 pm: Edit

Yes/ Shoo skaing two thirds was the answer....Anyone remember any of the tough quantitative comparisons?

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:01 pm: Edit

wait..for 90 90 x x y ..if you use 65 as the smallest, you get 65, 85, 85, 90, 90...but 85 is the median..doesnt that mean like the middle number or something..

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:01 pm: Edit

anybody predicting curves yet? So far I know 1 wrong math, 1 wrong verbal. :( Last verbal section raped me as well.

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:02 pm: Edit

also, i remember impetus, "cool:temperature", fulfilled:revered as answers

By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:02 pm: Edit

Ok please alleviate me and say that the math section directly preceeding the QC's and Grids was experimental. If it was, i have a good chance for 800

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:02 pm: Edit

i had both of those and i had a math experimental...

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit

" Didnt the passage with plutocracy/wealth have 35 questions?

And the passage with Antarctica/women also had 35 questions..

So which one is the experimental? "
You must be mixing sections because I had a math experimental and had both of those passages.

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit

right, it's more than 4 because it can have any number of heights


GOD I HATE WASHINGTON WOODWARD

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit

what was number 11 on q.c.? something about one of those numbers being 5 bigger than the other one, and x is greater than 0

.for 90 90 x x y ..if you use 65 as the smallest, you get 65, 85, 85, 90, 90...but 85 is the median..doesnt that mean like the middle number or something..

By Shoo_Shakin (Shoo_Shakin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:04 pm: Edit

does anyone remember the last question from the quant-comp?

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:04 pm: Edit

lisasimpson 85 is median according to your numbers

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:04 pm: Edit

lisasimpson 85 is median according to your numbers

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:05 pm: Edit

damn.. i guess i am mixing something up..

what was the CR passage for plutocracy/wealth?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:06 pm: Edit

Some of my answers:

I had A for the s(s+1)
I had 2^(2+3x) for 25 at the end of math section one.
I had 75 for lowest possible number (I thought y was median...)
I had 8 for factors, but I guess I messed that up too.
I had 8pi (I'm pretty sure that's it)


I had 4 right triangles. They would be:
3,4,5; 3,3,3sqrt(2); 3,3sqrt(3),6; 3/sqrt(2),3/sqrt(2),3 (45-45-90 with 3 as the hypotenuse)

For some verbal questions, I had tent : shelter, arrogance : humility

I don't agree with some of LisaSimpson's answers on the washington passage.

By Shoo_Shakin (Shoo_Shakin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:06 pm: Edit

its definitely 65 and 15pi for those 2 questions that everyone is having altercations over

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:06 pm: Edit

I still remember a few of the questions about which you guys are asking:

1) The one with with the 4 circles - 16pi,9pi,4pi,n pi, respectively. Since each circle was in another, to get the entire area, which it said would not include the last circle(pi), i did 16pi - 9pi - 4pi, and got 3pi, which was answer A.

Another problem i remember was the 90 90 x x y problem. It told you the average was 83. Thus 83 x 5 = 415, which would be the sum of all numbers. Since we know 90+90 = 180, subtract and get 2x + y= 235
since the median number was 85, both x's had to be 85. Thus 235-85-85 = y = 65, which was the answer.

I also have a question. Does anyone remember the problem with 3 boys and 3 girls? What was the problem and what was the answer?

By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:06 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember what letter was the answer for the last mc math question on the non-quantitative comparison, non-short section? I'm so annoyed...i destroyed the test. Then glanced back at the 1st section and noticed i'd filled in 26 ovals...but somehow i didn't skip any...so i'm wondering if there's any chance i randomly filled in an oval for which their was no question...if not, i could potentially get as low as 650 or so on math instead of the 760+ i was sure i had.

By Bsblily1 (Bsblily1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:07 pm: Edit

Lisasimpson-i think it was 5 is x greater than y. the answer choices were x and y, i put D because x and y could be many different choices (2 and 3 or 3 and 2)

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:08 pm: Edit

"Willywonka, the grandparents' FORTITUDE"

I know, I was answering another question in the thread.

".for 90 90 x x y ..if you use 65 as the smallest, you get 65, 85, 85, 90, 90...but 85 is the median..doesnt that mean like the middle number or something.."

Yes, the median is the middle number when the numbers are lined up in order.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:08 pm: Edit

It said area not including smallest circle but INSIDE the biggest one. So the big circle (16pi) doesnt count. So you take the area of the 2nd largest circle (9pi) and subtract 1pi to get 8pi.

3 boys and 3 girls, groups of 2 only girls.

(3C0 * 3C2)/6C2 = 1/5

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:09 pm: Edit

3 boys and 3 girls - i got 1/5

By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:09 pm: Edit

well a plutocracy is a soceity ruled by wealth. i think that would mean the answer was the beauracracy and administration??? i put meriotcraocy and talent for that one too but came home checked dictionary and E made more sense.

By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:09 pm: Edit

well a plutocracy is a soceity ruled by wealth. i think that would mean the answer was the beauracracy and administration??? i put meriotcraocy and talent for that one too but came home checked dictionary and E made more sense.

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:09 pm: Edit

smandel i got 3/6 * 2/5 = 6/30= 1/5. correct me if im wrong

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:10 pm: Edit

Smandel000 (Smandel000) - "1) The one with with the 4 circles - 16pi,9pi,4pi,n pi, respectively. Since each circle was in another, to get the entire area, which it said would not include the last circle(pi), i did 16pi - 9pi - 4pi, and got 3pi, which was answer A."

dude...why did you subtract the part that they are askin for? they were askin the part that EXCLUDES the small circle...if you do it the way you did, it will be THE small circle??? i put 15pi

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:10 pm: Edit

i dont get why the big circle doesnt count...

By Math_Enthusiast (Math_Enthusiast) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:10 pm: Edit

The one question that had a and b on a line and a was between -10 and 0 on a number line or something and b was between 0 and 10 -- something to that effect -- did you choose I and III? If I remember correctly, I, II, and III were as follows:

I. a + b
II. b - a
III. (a + b)/2

Were I and III the correct answers for this problem?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:11 pm: Edit

what was the grid in for 3X + 1 = 3Y

I got 1/3.

Man, it looks like should have stuck with a 1370 man... That washington passage was brutal... and I didn't perform as well on math as I normally do (730) unless there is a sweet curve.

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:11 pm: Edit

58 for the people that didn't vote on the survey???? it was one of the grid ins...i think #7?

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:12 pm: Edit

does anyone remember the answer to the survey question...about how many students didn't answer? I got 58 (i think), but that could be wrong

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:12 pm: Edit

math, crypto, and shaka - got all those answers

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:12 pm: Edit

I got 73 people didnt get surveyed.

Wow, I am gonna do awful on this test...

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:13 pm: Edit

math enthusiast i got only I and III true

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:13 pm: Edit

Hey ya'll. How did you do the pizza one???? I blanked out completely! I think the question was something similar to this:

9 pieces of pizza, 8 slices each. 2 times as many people had 3 pieces than two (or the other way around...?)

By Py7133 (Py7133) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:13 pm: Edit

No your 8 pi answers are wrong! Think... they gave you info you didn't need - you only need the outside circle (16 pi) minus the inside circle (1 pi) to get 15 pi. You're only asked to find the area inside the largest circle that's also not inside the smallest circle.

I put 65 for lowest possible number, try it out both ways with x OR y as median = x comes out lower.

I also put tent:shelter

The 2^(2+3x) I skipped... I was so frustrated when I remembered my program on my calculator would have done it when I fumbled all over the problem!

The pizza one took me a while, but D was the answer - 27 people. If you take 18 people (18*3=54) that ate 3 slices, and 9 people (half as many that ate 3 slices, 9*2=18), you'll get 54 and 18, 54+18=72, 72 slices that they bought from 9 pizzas. I guessed in the last few minutes and got it that way. First I thought it was B though.

Also I think I bombed the verbal sections... I wished there were 4 sections instead, whereas I'm better at math anyways. Gahh... I just hope I pass 650 for GA Tech's median on Math and at least 550 for Verbal... I'm Asian and I suck don't I?

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:14 pm: Edit

27 people for pizza...18 with 3 slices, 9 with 2 slices

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:14 pm: Edit

Math_Enthusiast, Crypto, Shaka: all those are correct, unless im (were) missing something.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:14 pm: Edit

It was 9 people.

72 slices = 2X(3) + 2X

72 = 8X X = 9

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:14 pm: Edit

I forgot the actual question: What is the total number of people in this group?

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:14 pm: Edit

illuminati i believe it was 27

By Vietstunna5 (Vietstunna5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:14 pm: Edit

did anyone know which math section didnt' count? for #25, the last one there was a question that said Y^2=2^4x i'm thinking that section didn't count, am i right?

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:15 pm: Edit

That math problem that had: y^2 = 2^(2x)

What was it asking for again? If I'm correct it asked what 8y^2... maybe I read it wrong like a moron...

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:15 pm: Edit

"what was the CR passage for plutocracy/wealth?"

It was an analogy, but I don't remember which CR section came after it. My gut says Women in Antarctica, though. Or maybe the Chinese daughter thing.

"1) The one with with the 4 circles - 16pi,9pi,4pi,n pi, respectively. Since each circle was in another, to get the entire area, which it said would not include the last circle(pi), i did 16pi - 9pi - 4pi, and got 3pi, which was answer A."

I read the question as the area of the big circle, including everything inside, minus the area of the smallest circle. A "circle" was defined in my review book as the set of points making up the circle, not the area inside, and so I included the biggest circle's area in my answer. I put 15 pi.

"I had 4 right triangles. They would be:
3,4,5; 3,3,3sqrt(2); 3,3sqrt(3),6; 3/sqrt(2),3/sqrt(2),3 (45-45-90 with 3 as the hypotenuse)"

I didn't think of it in terms of side length. I drew four triangles using AB as a leg of the triangle, and then when I realized it can also be the hypotenuse, I knew it was more than four.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:15 pm: Edit

"Math_Enthusiast, Crypto, Shaka: all those are correct, unless im (were) missing something"

All of whose reponses? Mine or someone else's?

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:16 pm: Edit

crypto, that's not what the problem asked...it asked for the total # of people, NOT just the people that ate 2 slices

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:15 pm: Edit

no..the one that didnt count had something like x squared minus y squared = 71 for the last question

By Valk78 (Valk78) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:16 pm: Edit

ditto i got 9 people for the pizza question

By Vietstunna5 (Vietstunna5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:16 pm: Edit

it asked what value = 8y did that section count though?

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:17 pm: Edit

Yeah it was the Chinese daughter.. for plutocracy/wealth?

Does anyone remember how many questions were in that section? If its 35 and the antarctica one was 35 then one of them as to be experimental..

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:18 pm: Edit

27 people for pizza

18 3 slicers and 9 2 slicers

(18)(3) + (9)(2) = 72


I also got 58 for the survey

By Math_Enthusiast (Math_Enthusiast) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:18 pm: Edit

The pizza one I actually found easy -- if x represents the people that had 2 slices each of pizza and 2x represents the people that had 3 slices each of pizza then 2(x) + 3(2x) = 72, since there were a total of 72 slices (9 pizza pies, 8 slices each pie). 2x + 6x = 72, 8x = 72, x = 9. Since 3x (from x + 2x) represents the total amount of people and x = 9, 3(9) = 27. The group contained 27 people.

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:18 pm: Edit

27 people for pizza

18 3 slicers and 9 2 slicers

(18)(3) + (9)(2) = 72


I also got 58 for the survey

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:18 pm: Edit

willywonka why are u subtracting 9pi and 4pi when they are already included in the big circle

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:19 pm: Edit

can someone explain how you're getting 8pi?

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:19 pm: Edit

27 people for pizza

58 ppl who didn't take survey

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:20 pm: Edit

Sweet, thanks guys. Just curious: do they set the curve prior to the test?

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:20 pm: Edit

its not 8 pi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Vietstunna5 (Vietstunna5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:21 pm: Edit

so which math section didn't count? the one where the last question was y^2=2^2x or something like that. didn't count right?

By Haykm11 (Haykm11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:21 pm: Edit

lol i did 16pi (big circle) - pi (small circle) ... 15 pi

By Okrogius (Okrogius) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:23 pm: Edit

"That math problem that had: y^2 = 2^(2x)

What was it asking for again? If I'm correct it asked what 8y^2... maybe I read it wrong like a moron..."
I dont' remember the chocies, but the correct answer was A.

" The one with with the 4 circles - 16pi,9pi,4pi,n pi, respectively. "
Agree with 15pi answer.
"how many triangles can be made with the segment"
Thought it was six (more than four).

" Plutocracy: wealth- meritocracy:talent?"
EIther that or the bureacracy:something.

" DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE 90+90+x+x+y with the average problem??? I put 1 for the least value it can be...someone told me it gave us the MEDIAN??? can someone retrace what the question asked?"
Question asked for the lowest possible value in the set of numbers given the media being 82. Correct answer was 65 I believe.

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:24 pm: Edit

wasn't the circle one we're having problems with number 8? That kinda implies that it'd be slightly difficult

By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:24 pm: Edit

what were the experimental sections, people?

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:25 pm: Edit

but they wouldnt have 8 pi for number 8!!!!! its too ironic! it has to be 15!

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:25 pm: Edit

The correct answer was 65

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:26 pm: Edit

wait... the survey one with 160 people and 2 questions, each person?

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:26 pm: Edit

EXPERIMENTAL SECIONS (i think) - verbal - short passages about the word cool and that speaker who wouldnt write

MATH - the section that ended with x squared - y squared or something like that

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:27 pm: Edit

no 65 to the one where it asked for the lowest possible number, and provided a median and average

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:27 pm: Edit

One person I talked to had 4 math sections (and I only had 3) and we both had the y^2 = 2^4X. So that's not experimental. The answer to that was 2^(2+3X)

I'm telling you the area was 8pi. The question explicitly stated that it counted the area INSIDE the big circle. If the question wanted to include the area of the big circle as well, the problem would have stated "what's the area of the big circle minus the smallest circle". But it didn't say that. Its the 2nd biggest circle minus the smallest circle = 8pi.

By Vietstunna5 (Vietstunna5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:28 pm: Edit

so the math section that ended with y^2=2^2x counted?

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:28 pm: Edit

"willywonka why are u subtracting 9pi and 4pi when they are already included in the big circle"

It was in quotation marks, meaning someone else wrote it. Just like what is written above this.

"Does anyone remember how many questions were in that section?"

I remember there being 35 questions in the section with the Chinese daughter CR because I didn't realize the last two were on the next page. I'm not worried about it because, like I said, I wasn't taking the test for the verbal section.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:28 pm: Edit

no way crpto..if theres one circle and it asks for the area inside the circle..you dont say 0 you say what it is!!

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:28 pm: Edit

The survey one was: 160 people were given a survey. 62 answered question one, 55 answered question 2, and 15 answered both. How many people didn't answer any of the questions?

62-15 = 47
55-15 = 40

160-(47+40+15) = 58

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:29 pm: Edit

So essentially you're saying the area inside the largest circle doesn't count?

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:29 pm: Edit

it said "the region" inside the big circle which means EVERYTHING IN IT INCLUDING ITSELF. 15 PI

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:30 pm: Edit

If they say the area inside the big circle they mean...the area of the big circle.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:30 pm: Edit

good job harping chic - you're right!

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit

no way crpto..if theres one circle and it asks for the area inside the circle..you dont say 0 you say what it is!!
"

I know that makes sense, but I'm pretty sure the wording (and diagram of the problem itself) specified that it wanted the area of the circles within the large circle. If not, then that problem could have been #3 or #4 instead of #8 (which are harder problems).

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit

thats an interesting argument Lisasimpson, one that sounds correct

By Soulstar (Soulstar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:32 pm: Edit

15pi

By Vietstunna5 (Vietstunna5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:32 pm: Edit

so which math section didn't count? the one where the last question was y^2=2^2x or something like that. didn't count right?

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:32 pm: Edit

thanks mr. sanguine!

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:32 pm: Edit

SHAKA - yes the question about the circles was quite confusing,but if you were to do it your way and not count the large circle, you would get 9pi - 4pi and get 5pi. Anyway, i really didnt like that question.

58 for survey
THE ONE WITH THE TRIANGLES - more than 4 is what i got, since there were the four basic triangles you could make, but the line AB was it, could also be the hypotenuse, so i put more than 4.

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:33 pm: Edit

"The question explicitly stated that it counted the area INSIDE the big circle."

I think the debate is whether or not the "big circle" is the points making up the circle or if the area between the big circle and the second biggest circle was included.

By Journkid (Journkid) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:33 pm: Edit

Yeah, the critical reading was insanely weird. Like the Washington Woodward piece...huh?

Anyway. I've just wanted to get my math up a little (even though it's 750...), so I'm hoping I did it. Verbal wasn't really a concern for me here.

By Bsblily1 (Bsblily1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:33 pm: Edit

can the section the sats begin with be experimental? if not, then the section before the QC and grid ins was experimental i think

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:34 pm: Edit

The definition of a circle is the points a given distance from a central point. The area consists of the area inside of it.

I understand your logic with the question number crypto, I pointed that out earlier to. But I can't change my answer to a question based on where it is in a section. I'm still not 100% sure about this..

WHATS THE CC CONSENSUS? WAS THE AREA 15PI OR 8PI

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:34 pm: Edit

what about the triangle one in the end....

9.) How many right triangles can you make from segment AB?

A.________________.B
3 in.


A.)One
B.)Two
C.)Three
D.)Four
E.)More than four

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:35 pm: Edit

I hope so! that's the section I'm pretty sure I got all right on. I thought our time ended 10 min earlier so I ran through all the problems just to find out I had 10 min so I made sure they were right...

I can't believe I got the triangle one wrong. I put more than four and then changed it to three usin' the horrible logic: base AB, side AB, hyp AB.

For the k/m one, logical process would be:

negative/negative = positve

so there goes -2 and -1/2 or w/e it was so we had 0, 1/2 and 2 left.

|k|>|n| so it is possible for it to be a whole number but not a fraction (<1).

By Ladybajan (Ladybajan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:35 pm: Edit

Vietstunna5, yes that section did count because I had experimental verbal and I had that question.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:35 pm: Edit

E !

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:35 pm: Edit

So EVERYONE had the passages about the antarctic/women and the chinese girl?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:36 pm: Edit

Eh - I think I did pretty bad this test then... If all you guys are correct then I at least got 4 math problems wrong (though I think 3 are grid ins) and I'm always suspect about my verbal. Who knows.

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:36 pm: Edit

Smandel...Actually, you can make 6: Two on each side of the segment with the segement BEING the base (4), and two if you count the segment as the HYPOTENUSE of the triangle for each side.

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:37 pm: Edit

i didnt have chinese girl, but i had antarctic

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:38 pm: Edit

i heard people say there were 4 verbal sections. I definetely had 4 math. Neone know which one was experimental?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:38 pm: Edit

Can someone give the side lengths for the other right triangles other than these?

3,4,5; 3,3,3sqrt(2); 3,3sqrt(3),6; 3/sqrt(2),3/sqrt(2),3 (45-45-90 with 3 as the hypotenuse)

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:38 pm: Edit

Wait, sorry, disregard. My bad.

By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:38 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember what letter was the answer for the last mc math question on the non-quantitative comparison, non-short section? I'm so annoyed...i destroyed the test. Then glanced back at the 1st section and noticed i'd filled in 26 ovals...but somehow i didn't skip any...so i'm wondering if there's any chance i randomly filled in an oval for which their was no question...if not, i could potentially get as low as 650 or so on math instead of the 760+ i was sure i had.

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:38 pm: Edit

15pi

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:39 pm: Edit

Obilisk, do you remember what the question was?

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:39 pm: Edit

ILLUMINATI - yea i know there can be 6 but 6 wasnt an option so the answer of course was more than 4, or E

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:39 pm: Edit

If it's this problem: y^2 = 2^4X, then the answer was A.

By Arsalanyc (Arsalanyc) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:40 pm: Edit

last time they had the answers to all the questions...does anybody know when that comes up or who puts them online?..thanks!

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:41 pm: Edit

yep Crypto, it was A

By Bsblily1 (Bsblily1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:41 pm: Edit

15 pi

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:42 pm: Edit

anyone remember the exact wording of the survey problem?

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:42 pm: Edit

Yeah, I misread your response. I agree.

By Neobez (Neobez) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:43 pm: Edit

I put 15pi

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit

Wow. I think I put the wrong answer for the Survey 1. that's 2 wrong..sdkfjs;ldkfjs;dlf

By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:45 pm: Edit

hospital:ward was store:department, right?

what about the question about the antarctica passage where you were supposed to find a quote in passage one that supported passage 2's little blurb about the men working together and being efficient??

By Nilsam (Nilsam) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:45 pm: Edit

What was the answer for the last QC before the grid-in's...the one with the symbol??

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:45 pm: Edit

Crypto, I had the same line of reasoning as you. Also, E (more than 4) seemed to be too obvious.
However, you've only stated 30,60,90s, and 45,45,90's. There can be right angles with other measures. I hope the answer was D, although it seems to point to the contrary.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:46 pm: Edit

I had "from the same group" or something like that. It was answer C.

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:47 pm: Edit

I put store:department

ward is a specialized section of a hospital
department is a specialized section of a store

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:47 pm: Edit

Yeah, same group was what i got too.

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:48 pm: Edit

If I'm not mistaken, the question read: "How many right triangles can be made using line segement "blah blah"? Couldn't you make an infinite number of right triangles out of the segment? Ahhh, the wording was absolutely terrible on some of these!

By Math_Enthusiast (Math_Enthusiast) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:49 pm: Edit

I interpreted the area of the circle question as the area inside of the largest circle (inside as in "contained in the largest circle but not including the largest circle") but outside of the smaller circle. I got 8pi for that one. Why does ETS always have to try to trick us with wording on problems?

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:50 pm: Edit

I think that question is gonna screw up my math

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:51 pm: Edit

didn't it say: the region inside the largest circle?

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:52 pm: Edit

yes

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:53 pm: Edit

WHICH SECTION WAS EXPERIMENTAL?

By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:53 pm: Edit

ok. Does anyone remember the letter answers they put down for woodward passage?

for the first column: i don't remember #1
but I got 2. d 3. d 4. a 5. a and for the second column, i got for 7-10 b, c, d, b then for the last column I got c, d, c

anyone ;)

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:54 pm: Edit

athlon, if you could remember the answers those letters go with, i can tell you if i put the same thing

By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:56 pm: Edit

problem is that I don't

AIM chat = SAT

come one, come all!

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:56 pm: Edit

if you had:

verbal
math
math
verbal
verbal
verbal
math

most likely the one with the short passages is experimental

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:57 pm: Edit

Somebody answer what they put for the last math QC that said:

A&B means A-B-AB

Z > Y > X >0

X&Z | | X&Y - Y&Z

By Math_Enthusiast (Math_Enthusiast) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:58 pm: Edit

Compare your test form to mine. If you had the same test as me, then the experimental and regular sections will be as follows:

1. Verbal - 30 minute, 35 questions
2. Math - 30 minute, 25 questions MC
3. Math - 30 minute, 25 questions QC/SPR
4. Verbal - 30 minute, 30 questions
5. Verbal - 30 minute, 35 questions, a mini Passage 1 and 2 comparing viewpoints of stand-up comedians, a mini passage about a person's "eccentric" habits, and a longer passage about agricultural techniques used by the Mayans. It also had an analogy on there IMPECCABLE:IMPROVEMENT -- This one I believe is experimental!!
6. Verbal - 15 minute, 13 questions about Washington Woodward or Woodwork -- who cares about him anyway??
7. Math - 15 minute, 10 questions that were poorly worded

By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:58 pm: Edit

athlonmj-i got the same exact answers as lisasimpson on the woodward passage and i think you guys had the same answers.

did anyone that had teh antartica passage remember what they put for the relative question?? i said cuz her public persona and private doesn't match or soemthing

By Bsblily1 (Bsblily1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:59 pm: Edit

A. X & Z, i plugged in numbers

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:59 pm: Edit

i think i put A... but it's probably wrong

By Acoplander (Acoplander) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:02 pm: Edit

For Plutocracy:Wealth, the answer is Monarchy:Ruler. A plutocracy is a form of government ruled by the wealthy, just as a monarchy is a form of government ruled by a single ruler.

~Acoplander

By Justperfect (Justperfect) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:05 pm: Edit

when do the scores come out

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:08 pm: Edit

what section was that one on?

By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:09 pm: Edit

i had the test where math was the 1st section. I am pretty sure section 3 was experimental. it was harder and I had a big time crunch on it.

coupla questions:

what the heck was the answer to:
choir: singers

Section 6:
the pie chart question. about ways to get to school. was the answer B?

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:09 pm: Edit

oct 22 online at college board.. like a week later by mail

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:09 pm: Edit

Can we confirm that the MIDDLE MATH SECTION (the one with the triagle, 5-10-?, as the last question) is the experimental section??
Also what did you guys get for the WASHINGTON passage about the "two faces"? -that section really killed my verbal score!

By Vanessa1378 (Vanessa1378) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:09 pm: Edit

what if you had:

1.math (25 questions)
2.verbal
3.math(25 questions)
4.something (dont remember)
5.something
6.math
7.verbal

which math was experimental (the first or third section)

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:10 pm: Edit

company:performers or actors (something like that)

and i put B for the pie chart

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:10 pm: Edit

company:performers or actors (something like that)

and i put B for the pie chart

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:10 pm: Edit

The passage about cooking and fruits...what was the author's main augument?

By Mattlord (Mattlord) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:11 pm: Edit

note the form of the word -

plutocracy:WEALTH:: ?

plutocracy is government ruled by those WHO HAVE WEALTH.

meritocracy is government ruled by those WHO HAVE MERIT or TALENT (i've forgotten what the last word was).

By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:11 pm: Edit

my guess is third but i guess no one can really say

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:12 pm: Edit

the one to school was B.

By Mattlord (Mattlord) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:13 pm: Edit

any ideas about a curve? i'm pretty sure this was a recycled test...

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:13 pm: Edit

I thought along the same lines as acoplander during the test, but I'm not sure. I like them both, the reason I didn't choose meritocracy is because it isn't a form of government like monarchy.

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:14 pm: Edit

testen

By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:15 pm: Edit

Yes! That's what i had for number 25...I had e randomly for 26 and erased it(needless to say, not very logical)....now i'm remembering a verbal question in section two that'd i'd sworn i'd answered, but i couldn't find bubbled, so i bubbled it again. I'm thinking that i accidentally filled it into number 26 in the first math section. I think I may have a 1600. As long as that's what I did that is...I feel pretty confident right now, but still a little wary.

By Acoplander (Acoplander) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:17 pm: Edit

Exactly.

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:17 pm: Edit

"For Plutocracy:Wealth, the answer is Monarchy:Ruler. A plutocracy is a form of government ruled by the wealthy, just as a monarchy is a form of government ruled by a single ruler."

I thought meritocracy : talent was a more appropriate answer. A plutocracy gives power/position to those with money. A meritocracy gives power/postition to those with talent.

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:18 pm: Edit

For the right triangle, I put (E). But wouldn't it be infinity answers because the length of the legs of the triangle could be different?????

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:18 pm: Edit

YES!

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:19 pm: Edit

WHICH SECTION WAS EXPERIMENTAL?

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:19 pm: Edit

sorry that was about verbal stuff

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:20 pm: Edit

Wasn't the math section with the triangle as #25 the experimental. God I hope it is.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit

Yes because I didnt have that.

By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:22 pm: Edit

any idea if I can access my questions online if I registered through the mail? any idea when the test scores usually come back ( I want to make registration time for the December one if I did badly on this one)?

this is way better than a 10 dollar question and answer service :-P

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:22 pm: Edit

the author's main augument in the fruit/cooking passage was something like common things can provide insights, right?

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:25 pm: Edit

I HAD 4 MATH SECTION AND 3 VERBAL. THEY WENT LIKE THIS:
Math
Verbal
Math
Math
Verbal-pretty sure it was like this
Math
Verbal
WHich math was experimental?????

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:26 pm: Edit

xuan, i think you're right.

That last passage about washington was brutal.

I hope the curve is easy on the verbal.

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:26 pm: Edit

smandel, supposedly your (and my) first section was the experimental

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:27 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure the middle math section is experimental.

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:27 pm: Edit

for the antarctic passage, the authors would most likey agree that..?

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:28 pm: Edit

the math right after the verbal, smandel000.
the one with the j/k line and the triangle as #25.

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:28 pm: Edit

the math right after the verbal, smandel000.
the one with the j/k line and the triangle as #25.

By Whtx (Whtx) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:31 pm: Edit

hey stop arguing about the circle problem. ITs getting so annoying. The answer is 15pi, that is the answer, the answer is that.

Stop trying to play word games. The area of the big circle is 16pi, the area inside the big circle is 16 pi. The area of the small circle is pi. 16-1 = 15pi

End of discussion. There is no way in hell that its 8pi or 5000 pie. Stop reading so much into it.

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:34 pm: Edit

Impatheticiknow, I think the answer was that "both men and women should have access to antarctica"...Hope it's right!

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:36 pm: Edit

xuan- I agree with that answer, but for the relative question I put something like "she didnt feel like she had the privilege of paritcipating or being there" rather than the whole public-priv persona answer....does anyone agree?

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:37 pm: Edit

I HAD 4 MATH SECTION AND 3 VERBAL. THEY WENT LIKE THIS:
Math
Verbal
Math
Math
Verbal-pretty sure it was like this
Math
Verbal
WHich math was experimental?????

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:38 pm: Edit

Smandel, 3rd math with the x2 - y2 = 71 was experimental.

By Everyprincess (Everyprincess) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:39 pm: Edit

section 5 was experimental..... it had to because the one about the women in the BSA was a duel passage and that was the only section with a duel passage and the other one i had for section 5 was also 35 questions but it had a single passage so it had to be section 5 that was experimental....

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:40 pm: Edit

Why isn't anyone saying what they put for the last QC and how they did it?:


A&B means A-B-AB

Z > Y > X >0

X&Z |----| X&Y - Y&Z

By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:41 pm: Edit

A.. just plug in values and figure it out

By Stb5voy (Stb5voy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:42 pm: Edit

The answer to the circle question is 8pi. It asked for the area of the circles within the big circle, not the general area within the big circle.

It seems as though everyone who put 15pi is trying to justify it to themselves and not to others.

8pi

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:43 pm: Edit

k, thats what i put, but wasnt sure, thanx

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:44 pm: Edit

for the antarctic woman relative in a family one, i put she felt like she was presenting a public persona that didn't jive with her inner thoughts, something like that.

By Smandel000 (Smandel000) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:45 pm: Edit

NETMET - DID YOU CALL THEM, OR HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ONE WAS EXPERMENTAL??? cause if it was im thanking god, that was the one i had trouble with...time winded down.

By Whtx (Whtx) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:46 pm: Edit

My math grid in answers were:
#15 on QC i put A.

1. 1050
2. 117
3. 31
4. 8
5. 3/7
6. 12
7. 58
8. 1/3
9. 65
10. 5 ( I know this one is wrong)

What else is wrong from my list?

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:47 pm: Edit

for that family question, i said she wanted to be part of the group because of her presence, or something along those lines.

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:51 pm: Edit

The answer is 15pi

15pi
15pi
15pi
15pi
15pi

The question asked for the area of the sum of the regions inside the big circle but outside the small circle.

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:52 pm: Edit

NETMET - DID YOU CALL THEM, OR HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ONE WAS EXPERMENTAL??? cause if it was im thanking god, that was the one i had trouble with...time winded down.




I didnt call- haha. But I know because I know a bunch of people who did not have that section. Therefore it had to be experimental.

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:55 pm: Edit

whtx, everything else seems fine. I think #3 had multiple answers though, so I wouldn't know about that one; i put 29.

wasn't one of the answers to the antarctica one having to do with being "pragmatic"?

By Blane1086 (Blane1086) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:56 pm: Edit

I agree with the British point of view. When you're with a group of all guys, having a girl kind of messes up the vibe. A bit tangential, but important nonetheless.

By Amihdir (Amihdir) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:57 pm: Edit

for the y^2 = 2^4X was the answer 2^(3+2x)?

By Blane1086 (Blane1086) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:57 pm: Edit

I agree with the British point of view. When you're with a group of all guys, having a girl join the ranks kind of messes up the vibe. A bit tangential, but important nonetheless.

By Blane1086 (Blane1086) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Anyone think that Washington Woodrum (or whatever it was) passage was a bit...obscure?

By Peck116 (Peck116) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:03 pm: Edit

it was definately 8 pi
the question "very unclearly" asked for the area within the larger circle so 9-1=8

8 apples
8 pumpkins
8 blueberries
8 freakin pi!!!!!!!

By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:08 pm: Edit

blane- i hated the washington woodrum one ,i was reading the blurb and i thought hey a narrative, shouldn't be so tough...and then its like WTH is up with this???

By Whtx (Whtx) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:08 pm: Edit

Can someone compile a list of confirmed answers?

By Best_Wr (Best_Wr) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:09 pm: Edit

Dramatist: Play:: Autobiographer: Memoir
Torch:light :: Sponge:water?

Also, in William Washington passage, what was "problem with the job"?

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:10 pm: Edit

did the answer to an analogy or sentence completion contain the word obtuse?

By Best_Wr (Best_Wr) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:12 pm: Edit

Let's talk more about the verbal section...

SC: Something like
"In beginning of universe, something expanded faster than light, _____ the notion that nothing can _____ the speed of light."

Was it belying, exceed?

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:12 pm: Edit

even if it was 8pi, what would the value of the question be....i mean, what possible concept could it be testing. If anything, it kind of obscures the definition of a circle we've been discussing.

By Best_Wr (Best_Wr) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:14 pm: Edit

Answer is 15pi..

About BAS English Antartica passage: Author tried to pretend to be relative because of "persona" or something like that?

By Crybaby (Crybaby) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:17 pm: Edit

i'm hoping that the third math was experimental...

Whtx: what problem did you get 31 for???..i don't remember putting that...but i can't remember the problem either!

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:18 pm: Edit

31 was one of the possible answers to Pat, Dan, and Kelly who bought 75 Tapes total, how many could Kelly have bought by herself?

By Shellymmars (Shellymmars) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:18 pm: Edit

Could someone please estimate which verbal section was experimental because I remember the secion before the Washington Story (which was extremely hard), which was also very hard. Was that the experimental? Another question, those who are saying that they probably got 1600, 1400, 1500...what do you do to prepare? Kaplan classes, private tutor? Tell me more.

By Sonar (Sonar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:24 pm: Edit

For the last quantitative you'll come up, work with them, and you'll find you're comparing

-xz to -xy - yz, I believe (I put A)

I think section 3 was experimental (math). It had a logic question in it (if Mary promised her mother ...), and I don't recall there being logic questions on the old SAT, but I may be wrong.

Possible 800 if 3 is the experimental. Hopefully it is, seeing as I blew off it off, then thought later it may not be ^^;.

I thought the math wasn't bad, though the circle pi question is bugging me now, but the verbal atroicious.

Also, what was the answer to the last question in section 3 (math)

ABC is a triangle and D lies on AC. BD is perpendicular to AC. AB = 10, BD = 5, measure of angle ABC = 110. What's measure of angle BCA?

By Shellymmars (Shellymmars) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:27 pm: Edit

Could someone please estimate which verbal section was experimental because I remember the secion before the Washington Story (which was extremely hard), which was also very hard. Was that the experimental? Another question, those who are saying that they probably got 1600, 1400, 1500...what do you do to prepare? Kaplan classes, private tutor? Tell me more.

By Antique (Antique) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:28 pm: Edit

Whtx

--What was QC #15?

--What's the 12 for in Grid In #6?

The rest I can concur wtih

By Desira (Desira) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:28 pm: Edit

Sonar, for that triangle question I got A which was 40 degrees.

By Vanessa1378 (Vanessa1378) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:30 pm: Edit

this 15pi/8pi thing is getting crazy. Its like people arguing about bush and kerry.

15 pi for president!

By Magoo112 (Magoo112) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:31 pm: Edit

Best Wr: That's correct

In Need Of Help:
(I think the problem said X&y+y&z)

A&B means A-B-AB
Z > Y > X >0

[ X&Z ] [ X&Y + Y&Z ]

My Solution:

X&Z: X-Z-XZ

X&Y - Y&Z: X-Y-XY+Y-Z-YZ (the two y's cancel)
X&Y - Y&Z: X-Z-YZ-XY

just from that you should tell A is greater.

By Bevif87 (Bevif87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:33 pm: Edit

I got

Torch: Light::

Tent: Shelter

A torch provides light OUTSIDE.
A tent provides shelter OUTSIDE.

Those Colridge passages were definitely experimental.

By Whtx (Whtx) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:35 pm: Edit

I dont remember the question for grid in #6 to get 12. Does anyone remember?

There is one question where a triangle is inside the circle. The area of the shade part of the circle is like 7/10. They ask for the degree of X. Whats the answer? I put like 36.

There is also another geometry question where a = 2b. They ask for b i think. I put 60. Is that right?

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:36 pm: Edit

yeah, your right, it was +, and thats what i got and how i got it, thanx

By Shoo_Shakin (Shoo_Shakin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:39 pm: Edit

seriously people...it is NOT that difficult...this was a number 8....the answer is 15pi!

By Skigrl432 (Skigrl432) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:42 pm: Edit

anyone remember this analogy question?? I think it was in the first verbal sect.

vilify : reputation :: ?

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:43 pm: Edit

the sixth grid-in had an isoscolese triangle with base 10 and legs 13, and said a segment from the top would connect to a point on the base between the ends, and asked for a possible lenght of that segment. The segment had to less than 13 and greater than or equal to 12, so i put 12, since its the only acceptable integer.

By Davidn08 (Davidn08) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:43 pm: Edit

in june i got 780M 630V... in october i almost definitely got less on math, but almost definitely better on verbal (probably 650-700).

so my composite score will probably be close to 1500.... which i'd be very happy with.

but, MIT wants the highest score on one date.... in which case i think the best i can have is like 1450...


what to do? MIT is my first choice?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:44 pm: Edit

31 was one of the possible answers to Pat, Dan, and Kelly who bought 75 Tapes total, how many could Kelly have bought by herself? ....Could 27 have been an answer for that one too?

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:46 pm: Edit

vilify : reputation :: mar : appearance

the bridge is 1 is to make a bad 2

By Z00b (Z00b) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:46 pm: Edit

In a plutocracy, people gain power through their wealth. In a meritocracy, people gain power through their talent. I can also see the logic in choosing monarchy ruler, but the reason I didnt put it was this: In a monarchy, the ruler is defined to have power. Being a rule is not a characteristic of a person that would give him power. If it was something like monarchy:birth. I would have picked it, as in a monarchy you get power via birthright.

I put the the contrast was between moral problem and pragmatism -- the first author argued how men shouldnt keep this all to themselves/regressed into neanderthalism etc. the second offered practical reasons why women aren't allowed.

Washington was weird and hard.

I missed at least 2 on the grid ins, mad at myself.

Anyone remember the one with the triangle in water? was that experimental? Was the answer 120/sqrt 3?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:47 pm: Edit

"anyone remember this analogy question?? I think it was in the first verbal sect.

vilify : reputation :: ? "

Yes, the answer was Mar : appearance or something like that....To villify is to spoil ones reputation, while to mar is to spoil one's appearance.

By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:48 pm: Edit

netmet, i think the answer could have been 27, 29, or 31 if i remember right

By Z00b (Z00b) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:50 pm: Edit

Whtx,

On the shaded circle, 7/10 was shaded so 3/10 wasn't. (3/10) * 360 would give you the angle, so I think it's 108.

By Desira (Desira) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:52 pm: Edit

I put the the contrast was between moral problem and pragmatism -- the first author argued how men shouldnt keep this all to themselves/regressed into neanderthalism etc. the second offered practical reasons why women aren't allowed.


I put that answer also.

By Neobez (Neobez) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:52 pm: Edit

well its 180 - 108 (it was a triangle), and then you get 2x. to get x, you divide that by 2. I got 36

By Madd87 (Madd87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:55 pm: Edit

the last gridin is 10
you dont plug in numbers to do it
n = a^2bc
all primes
factors:
a (thats 1)
a^2 (theres 2)
b (lookie.. 3)
c (4)
ab (now we are up to 5)
ac (6 now)
bc (7 woohoo)
abc (eight!!)
a^2b (nine!)
a^2c (TEN)
1 and a^2bc are excluded.

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:55 pm: Edit

Z00b, you have to subtract 108 from 180 and divide the answer by two. If I remembered right, they are asking for the smaller angles.

By Salik_Syed (Salik_Syed) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:55 pm: Edit

I also got 15 PI

can some one list the answers to that freaking washington question esp. the last few!

i am hoping for 800M 700+V .....

By Bevif87 (Bevif87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:55 pm: Edit

Who else found the "ripening fruit" passage annoying?

By Z00b (Z00b) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:56 pm: Edit

Neobez is right. I remember doing those out.

By Andrew1218 (Andrew1218) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:56 pm: Edit

for the last 1 i got 1/2, number 8 i got 15pi... all my friends and i agreed that the verbal critical readings sucked while every other part of the test wasnt that bad...math was overall easier than usual.

By Amdandrew (Amdandrew) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:57 pm: Edit

So, did everyone have the section with the short passages on "cool"? or was that the experimental?

By Z00b (Z00b) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:57 pm: Edit

Oh on that same question does anyone think 108 was an answer choice? I'm praying I wasn't stupid and marked it as the solution

By Dumbya1206 (Dumbya1206) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:59 pm: Edit

What was the answer to the Mars sentence about information? I put something like relevant and enumerating but I was also considering copious and dispell.

By Andrew1218 (Andrew1218) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:00 pm: Edit

i put the one with copious

By And1baller (And1baller) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:01 pm: Edit

i put copius and dispell

By Yujin (Yujin) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:02 pm: Edit

A Monarchy is ruled by a King or a Queen, it isn't usually ruled by one person. When one person rules all, it is usually called a dictatorship a la North Korea.

I went to meritwhatever.

By User123 (User123) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:03 pm: Edit

Could the Antarctic one have been experimental?
i hope so

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:05 pm: Edit

"ABC is a triangle and D lies on AC. BD is perpendicular to AC. AB = 10, BD = 5, measure of angle ABC = 110. What's measure of angle BCA?"
Does anyone know the answer for certain?

By Madd87 (Madd87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:05 pm: Edit

And the one about number of triangles with one side as 3 is more than 4 definitely, it should be infinitely many.. it said nothing about all sides being integers so one side as 3, other as 3, and other as 3root2, then one as 3, one as 3.001, one as 3, one as 3.0001... etc etc..

By Duck (Duck) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:08 pm: Edit

The whole 15 pi 8 pi question comes down to wording. Clearly, if the question was asking for the area of the entire circle, minus the smallest one, the answer was 15. But if the question was asking for the area of the outer ring, i guess it was 8 pi. I think the question asked for the area of the entire circle, minus the smallest one, though.

By Jstanfie (Jstanfie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:08 pm: Edit

yeah its definitely infinitely many. i put 3 at first thinking just making 3 each side of the triangle, then i thought about it and realized there were no limits on the problem, so there were infinitely many triangles.

By Duck (Duck) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:10 pm: Edit

THe ABC triangle one was from the experimental section, it doesn't matter.

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:12 pm: Edit

Yeah, Best Wr, i put sponge as well. My thinking was that a sponge 'holds in' water like a torch 'holds in' light. I guess we are the only 2...

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:13 pm: Edit

the one that has the line segment from B to a point P on side AC, did the answer have to be an integer? What was the exact wording?

By Starynight5 (Starynight5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:13 pm: Edit

Yeah, the verbal was beastly. What do you guys think the curves will be?

By Sydney22 (Sydney22) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:13 pm: Edit

can someone clarify, is it 15pi or not. It seemed so straightforward that I wasnt too sure

By Neelesh (Neelesh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:14 pm: Edit

i put 15pi

what was the question that asked which of the points were not on the same line?

By Justperfect (Justperfect) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:14 pm: Edit

if you have large amounts of info,you can exclude or dispell any preconcieved notion or belief-an explanation from someone who took it today,

By Xuan (Xuan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:16 pm: Edit

I agree, the wording of the question was way too confusing. I also put 15 pi, but then problem seemed way too easy to be near the end of that section. The question seemed more like a verbal "crital reading" than a math question to me!

By Ericlu87 (Ericlu87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:18 pm: Edit

i put 15pi, and dispell, reading comprehension was beastly

By Sean11 (Sean11) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:21 pm: Edit

lol guys, wow, DUDE THE vERBAL WAS HARD....and i got 10 for the math free response for the last question....

By Chezo (Chezo) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:21 pm: Edit

y^2 = 2^4X
y = 2^(2x) (root both sides)
8y = 8[2^(2x)]
8y = (2^3)[2^(2x)]
8y = 2^(2x+3)

hope that helps

By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:23 pm: Edit

how sensitive is the scoring machine?? i tried so hard to get my eraser smudges out, but theyre still there...

By Chezo (Chezo) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:25 pm: Edit

wat did u guys get for the last math comparison question?
the one with X Y Z, and weird signs i thik its was (x|z) and (x|y)(y|z) | replacing the weird sign

By Chezo (Chezo) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:26 pm: Edit

I put A btw

By Amdandrew (Amdandrew) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:26 pm: Edit

I'm still confused. Was the verbal section with the very short passages-and one about the word "cool," an experimental or not? Did everyone have this section, even those who had 4 math sections?

By Andrew1218 (Andrew1218) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:27 pm: Edit

i got A

By Nirvana33 (Nirvana33) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:27 pm: Edit

was the math section with the question asking about arcs (3 semicircles) experimental??

By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:29 pm: Edit

My curve prediction:

Verbal: 800,800,800,800,780,770,760,750,730,720,710,
700

Math: 800,800,780,770,750,720,700

By Andrew1218 (Andrew1218) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:30 pm: Edit

nirvana- no i had that one and i had 4 verbals, so no

By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:30 pm: Edit

VERBAL WAS BEASTLY!!!!!!!! WHY DID WE HAVE TO GET THIS VERBAL???????? WHY????????

By Neobez (Neobez) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:31 pm: Edit

i got sponge water too, but I guess I'm wrong

By Sonar (Sonar) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:31 pm: Edit

I guessed 40 on that, but I thought that because BD was perpendicular to AC, that BD must be the angle bisector, that'd mean that D is the midpoint of AC and ABC is isosceles. That'd mean that BCA = (180-110)/2 = 35, but 35 wasn't a choice, ugh.

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And the last analogy, I knew I should've chosen meritocracy, dang it. I was thinking plutocracy = system of government based on wealth, blah.

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Dumbya1206, it couldn't be enumerating, a lot of information doesn't produce more mystery.

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The "how many right triangles" had to be infinite, yeah.

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Last QC:

"A&B means A-B-AB

Z > Y > X >0

X&Z | | X&Y [+] Y&Z"(it was +, not -)

X&Z = X-Z-XZ
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X&Y - Y&Z = X-Y-XY+(Y-Z-YZ)
X-Y-XY+Y-Z-YZ
X-Z-XY-YZ
-----
compare them as "equal"

X-Z-XZ = X-Z-XY-YZ
-XZ = -XY-YZ

Since X, Y, and Z, are positive, I figured that D is the trap, and it obviously wasn't C, so it had to be A.

Now that I think about it, I know why as well :p

-XZ = -XY-YZ
-XZ = -Y(X+Z)

Y is larger than X, so YZ > XZ, let alone Y(X+Z). However, since the opposite is being taken, -XZ is closer to 0 than -Y(X+Z)

Thus, it's A

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torch:light

a sponge absorbs water, a torch emits light

a tent provides shelter, a torch provides light

By Neobez (Neobez) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:33 pm: Edit

^I believe I got A as well.

By Nirvana33 (Nirvana33) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:33 pm: Edit

what was the answer to the arc one??

By Eeeeyor (Eeeeyor) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:34 pm: Edit

for the last QC i think if you put in numbers greater than one the answer was A but if you put numbers in that were between 1 and 0 you got B, so i think the answer was D

By Eeeeyor (Eeeeyor) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:34 pm: Edit

for the last QC i think if you put in numbers greater than one the answer was A but if you put numbers in that were between 1 and 0 you got B, so i think the answer was D

By Andrew1218 (Andrew1218) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:37 pm: Edit

eeeeyor- no i tried fractions and it still came out to be A

By Ria (Ria) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:38 pm: Edit

I'm lost. Is there a experimental math section as well as a experimental verbal section? I'm pretty sure I had a experimental verbal section, with a pic of a duck/rabbit. Was there a experimental math section as well?

By Mehere (Mehere) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:42 pm: Edit

i had a passage on art with a picture of a bird. i thot that was experimental. b/c i heard they ALWASY have a double passage, and the double passage was on the antartica one..

By Eecs (Eecs) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:42 pm: Edit

uh oh, for the last QC, were X, Y, and Z all negative or all positive? i thought they were all negative... crap.. so i got B

By Eeeeyor (Eeeeyor) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:43 pm: Edit

wait it was the other way around, if you put in fractions A was greater and if you put in greater numbers B was greater

By Ria (Ria) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:45 pm: Edit

They had to be negative, no? Since Z > Y > X > 0

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:54 pm: Edit

For those who had a section about duck/rabbit (which is experimental), did you have sections on Antartica/women and a Chinese girl and her identity?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember any of the harder questions on the ripening fruit passage?

Or any other questions from Antarctica?

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Was the section with plutocracy/wealth the same as the one fixation/preoccupation and the Chinese girl and her identity?

Also, did anyone have a section about fruit ripening/cooking and their relation to science? That section also had a passage about Spanglish(how slang isnt necessarily bad)..

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Was the section with plutocracy/wealth the same as the one fixation/preoccupation and the Chinese girl and her identity?

Also, did anyone have a section about fruit ripening/cooking and their relation to science? That section also had a passage about Spanglish(how slang isnt necessarily bad)..

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:02 pm: Edit

i put that cooking was "ambiguous" because the cook has to create/destroy...the one about tearing apart the rainbow, i put A...that it represents a negative aspect of science....for the BAS one, what was the last question about the primary difference between the two passages?

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:05 pm: Edit

One of these has to be experimental....

Was it the ripening/cooking & slang?
Or the Antartica (prob not cause it had the passage comparison)
Or was it the Chinese girl and the meritocracy question?

By Willywonka (Willywonka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:05 pm: Edit

I'm liking Adidasty's math curve prediction. I know I messed up on the 3 boys/girls problem, even though it was incredibly easy. Stupid mistake. Another (apparently) stupid mistake by putting 2 instead of 1/2. That's two wrong.

If 15 pi is right, I haven't missed any others yet.

By Eecs (Eecs) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:06 pm: Edit

for the tearing apart the rainbow, i got something that dealt with more insight

By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:06 pm: Edit

Clear this up

Experimentals:
Math: if you had a section that asked:
"if you have three consecutive even integers, and the product is 0, what's the least/greatest possible sum"...this is math experimental.
Verbal:
SECTIONS NOT EXPERIMENTAL:
Fruit/Ripening- distruction/ambiguous/create...blah blah blah.
BAS
Washington Woodward
Grammar/how a word blah blah blah.
**no chinese girl or native americans**

Question: Anybody remember the answer to:
1) Squeak: I put down something along the lines of "the refusal to expand english to include new words? " something like that. ANYONE RECALL?

By Eecs (Eecs) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:08 pm: Edit

Metra: i had 3 verbal sections, and i don't remember a chinese girl passage. i DO remember a plutocracy/meritocracy question, so I think you got that question mixed up in the wrong section.

so, ripening/cooking and the antarctica one had to be real sections

By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:09 pm: Edit

Tearing of the rainbow: negative aspect of science.

Difference b/t the two passages: moral vs. pragmatist.

does anybody remember "conception" as an answer somewhere in the last passage (I might be wrong about the location).

By Eecs (Eecs) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:11 pm: Edit

Does anybody remember the question about the sentence with a lot of "ain't" in it? I put something about exaggeration to show what would happen if grammar wasn't followed... think it was E

By Whightknight (Whightknight) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:12 pm: Edit

I had 4 math sections. The last question in one of them was the most confusing, •••••••• math problem I have ever read in my life; it was about this guy who exagerated fish sizes when he caught them to his friends, so you needed to figure out the exact length of the fish. So I am pretty sure that whole section was experimental.

Also, it is 15 pi, and it wasn't that easy because they purposely told you the area of all those other circles to distract you, and make you think you needed to use them just like half of you have done, and thus got 8pi and thus got it wrong.

By Lebron (Lebron) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:14 pm: Edit

the last qc was A, right?

By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:14 pm: Edit

the ain't question: I put A.

It was something like poking fun at the english proper usage. Because the whole idea of the passage was to in a way validate the colloquisms...so it can't be pointing out the consequence of "grammar not followed". And the whole sentence had a funny feelin' to it...so, it was A...I am pretty sure. Anyone agree?

By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:17 pm: Edit

the last QC was definitely A

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:18 pm: Edit

I had nothing about a Chinese girl and nothing about the word 'cool.' I DID have 2 25-question math sections, so i guess one of them is the experimental. Does everybody have to have an experimental verbal?

By Doerame (Doerame) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:18 pm: Edit

there were two consecutive questions for which i put the "create/destroy" answer... it was the last two questions on the fruits=cooking passage... did anyone else have the same answers or remember an alternative answer?

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:20 pm: Edit

lol whiteknight..i hope you're right

By Naijagal16 (Naijagal16) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:21 pm: Edit

i put 15 pi also

P.S-I HATE WASHINGTON WOODARD. that passage made no freakin sense at all.

By Hzjames (Hzjames) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Flameball63 "The word 'image' in line# most early means: one of the answer was conception, the other was description. The former is right.

Eecs For the 'ain't' i put it was a side track and shows author's habit of self-mockery, about 80% sure.

I had: BAS, cooking /liguistic (which also contained the plutocracy), and the 15 min one with Washington.

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:22 pm: Edit

Ok, so i guess i have something mixed up... is it safe to say the plutocracy question is in the same section as ripening/slang?

Also, did that section have a question about fixation/preoccupation?

By Desira (Desira) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:26 pm: Edit

Tearing of the rainbow: negative aspect of science.

Was that answer choice A? And was that the exact wording? I put that it was a drawback of science or something like that. Is that the same answer?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:26 pm: Edit

"1) Squeak: I put down something along the lines of "the refusal to expand english to include new words? " something like that. ANYONE RECALL? " I think it said something like "frustration or annoyance at the refusal to include new words or something like that and yes , thats what i put..

a couple of other clarifications
-for aint, I put it was a humurous look at something, can we clarify that that's correct?
- I also put "popular usage"
-And for the question about "what is good english?" did you guys put what "the conventions of language that a minority follows" or something like that?

By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:28 pm: Edit

So far I have 800 math, we'll have to see what comes up. I HATE VERBAL!!!!!!!! Woodward Washington can go back and go live on his hill away from corruption as long as he doesn't come anywhere near our SAT test AGAIN!!!!!!!!

By Lakergurl01 (Lakergurl01) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:30 pm: Edit

Do you guys think the SAT for tommorow will be as hard in the verbal section?

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:32 pm: Edit

netmet- yes for the last three...for the squeak, i put resistance to new ways of speaking, or something

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:33 pm: Edit

yeah i put resistnace too.

was that the same section as the plutocracy question?

By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:35 pm: Edit

"for aint, I put it was a humurous look at something, can we clarify that that's correct?"

ya thats what i put

for the "squeaking" one, i put frustration or annoyance at the refusal to include new words

By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:35 pm: Edit

Ain't: humorous swipe at traditional english usage.

By Desira (Desira) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:36 pm: Edit

I put E:exxageration for the ain't question.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:36 pm: Edit

i had resistance as well

By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:38 pm: Edit

"subtract 108 from 180 and divide the answer by two. If I remembered right, they are asking for the smaller angles"

was this one on the experimental?? and if it wasnt, was x the central angle, therefore making it 108 degrees??

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:38 pm: Edit

I had humorous swipe...

anyway, can someone please say if that section had the plutocracy:wealth/meritocracy:talent?

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:39 pm: Edit

double

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:39 pm: Edit

triple

By Tlaktan (Tlaktan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:40 pm: Edit

VERBAL SECTIONS NOT Experimental:

BAS (Antarctica)
Fruit Ripening and Cooking, etc.,
And that Washington whoever it is..

The Chinese Girl passage was probably experimental.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:42 pm: Edit

Crap - I forget whether or not the plutocracy:wealth problem was in the passage with the chinese lady or not. For some reason I think it was - it was section 5 for me (I had 3 verbals in a row...) and I think section 5 was the experimental.

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:43 pm: Edit

What about some of those last questions in the washington passage. I was totally confused??

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:44 pm: Edit

Okay- so it seems the only passage we havent dealt with a ton was the ripening fruit passage. Does anyone remeber any question from there? Here's the asnwers I remember:
- amiguous- creation and destruction
-something else- creation and destruction
- i think for the first question: adding insight to ordinary objects
----anyone remember anything else from this 1?

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:45 pm: Edit

anybody remember the answers for the last math section - 10 questions?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:46 pm: Edit

Crypto: Plutocracy was NOT part of the experimental section; it was part of the real section since I had that and my experimental was math.

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:46 pm: Edit

Someone said that the meritocracy was not in the section with the chinese girl.. but i couldve sworn it was...

The meritocracy section was hard as hell and i want to find out if it was experimental...

Yeah and the Washington passage was pretty confusing..

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:48 pm: Edit

arrrgggg.. the reason im posting so much about the meritocracy section is because it was pretty damn hard and i want to find out if it was experimental... did anyone not have anything about a plutocracy/meritocracy question?

By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:49 pm: Edit

they wouldn't put an analogy in experimental anyway.

They're testing for the new sat.

do you think i could get 1 wrong on math and still get 800?

For the verbal, does anybody think this will be a 78,77,76,75,74,73 to 800 version like some in 10 reals? I think it was harder than usual.

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:49 pm: Edit

netmet, which section did you have it in? what was the passage about?

By Liface (Liface) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:50 pm: Edit

I DIDN'T HAVE THE PASSAGE ABOUT "COOL" IF THAT HELPS ANYONE.

I had a short (6 line) paragraph about someone's aunt sitting in the dark. She liked the evening and pronounced it with 3 syllables. She sat in the dark because she wanted to reflect that it was dark outside.

Did anyone else have this?

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:52 pm: Edit

oh and there was an analogy i wasnt sure about -
sanguine : optimism :: (my guess) tenacious : persistence?

i wasnt really certain because i figured "sanguine - great amount of optimism" and "tenacious - great amount of persistence" but then "obtuse - great amount of complexity" also worked. anybody know?

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:52 pm: Edit

No, liface, thats an experimental.

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:54 pm: Edit

I had tenacious:persistence

i think obtuse is more a definition of something "slow" or confusing rather than complexity

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:54 pm: Edit

metra - plutocracy/meritocracy was definitely not experimental - sorry...

and anyone remember the answers for the last math section?

By Arangatan (Arangatan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:55 pm: Edit

Did anyone have a SC that went something along the lines of.. "A woman considers her _____ as a strategy because if she doesn't trust people they can't hurt her." I know this was a stupid one, but i was unsure about whether it was insincerity or misanthropity..? Was this by any chance experimental?

Also there was a SC about a senator.. and it was something about him being discerning. It was a double blank SC. I was unsure between two choices.. criticized for judiciousness or noted for discrimination?

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:57 pm: Edit

How about this analogy?

Ambedextrious:Hand

I had bipartisan:politics

But i think this was in an experimental section.

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:58 pm: Edit

i didnt have either of those SC's

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:58 pm: Edit

meritocracy was not in the same section as the chinese girl passage, because I had that question and have no memory of the passage.

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:00 pm: Edit

ambidextrous : hand :: bilingual : language - it wasnt experimental

By Liface (Liface) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:00 pm: Edit

Arangtan said:
"Did anyone have a SC that went something along the lines of.. "A woman considers her _____ as a strategy because if she doesn't trust people they can't hurt her." I know this was a stupid one, but i was unsure about whether it was insincerity or misanthropity..? Was this by any chance experimental?

Also there was a SC about a senator.. and it was something about him being discerning. It was a double blank SC. I was unsure between two choices.. criticized for judiciousness or noted for discrimination? "

I didn't have either of those ^^^^^^

By Crypto86 (Crypto86) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:01 pm: Edit

anyone else on the above analogy?

By Arangatan (Arangatan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:04 pm: Edit

Yay so it mustve been experimental!!! Yay that makes me feel so much better, lol. I know I had an experimental verbal section but i couldnt remember if those SCs were in it or not.

By Liface (Liface) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:07 pm: Edit

Ditto on ambidextrous : hand :: bilingual : language

Ambidextrous: using two hands
Bilingual: using two languages

By Srkkadz (Srkkadz) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:11 pm: Edit

EXPERIMENTAL:
English- section 3- something about food and ripening- had entree as one of the answers.

I got a 1210 the first time I took the test because I blacked out during a few sections and didn't cancel it thinking that I would atleast pass the 1300 line. So, now that I was awake, I am hoping that I am between the 1400-1550 line (720V, 780M is the goal).

How is that going to look on a transcript? Excellent for improvement or lazy for not trying harder the first time?

By Desira (Desira) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:12 pm: Edit

I put bilingual:language for that one, Crypto86

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:14 pm: Edit

Can any1 clarify these answers from ripening fruit passage?
- ambiguous- creation and destruction
-something else- creation and destruction
- i think for the first question: adding insight to ordinary objects

And anyone remember ANYthing else from ripening fruit?

By Shaka (Shaka) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:17 pm: Edit

FOR ANTARCTICA

the one question about "ethos"...was the correspoding quote from passage one somethin about "pristine place"? or was it the one about "members of club" or somethin??

By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:17 pm: Edit

ambiguous means open to more than 1 interpretation so the ripening of the fruit can be viewed as creation when it becomes ripe and nourishing animals and destruction when it is eaten just like how cooks create their food to be eaten

By Srkkadz (Srkkadz) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:17 pm: Edit

NETMET: Relax because that section was experimental!

By Desira (Desira) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:18 pm: Edit

I put the answer that was "members of the club" for that one.

Ethos: The disposition, character, or fundamental values peculiar to a specific person, people, culture, or movement

By Lakergurl01 (Lakergurl01) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:18 pm: Edit

Is the experimental on this test going to be the same on tommorows sat test?

By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:20 pm: Edit

the cooking passage wasn't experimental....

By Arangatan (Arangatan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:20 pm: Edit

Oh yea i wasnt sure about that. I put pristine, because it means pure, so i figured keeping women out meant keeping the place pure? but i could also see why it might be members of club.. because they all shared in the work. i really wasnt sure.

There was also a question about why they work well together.. did you put because they have the same experience?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:21 pm: Edit

Yes, members of the club is the answer....And srkkadz: That section is not experimental. You must be confusing sections...My experimental was math.

By Desira (Desira) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:22 pm: Edit

Yes, I put the same experience answer for that question.

By Liface (Liface) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:23 pm: Edit

Give me the lowdown on experimental sections.

1. If you get questions wrong on experimental sections, do they still count against (1/4 off) your score?
2. Are these sections taken out entirely from your score?
3. Is there 1 total, or one of verbal and math?

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:24 pm: Edit

netmet - i also got creation and destruction (but only once, idk) and insight into ordinary objects

hmm for other ripening questions i think i got they both provide nourishment for the last one and "agents" help reproduction of their kind - i dont remember that much - id say the ones u mentioned were the only ambiguous ones

By Seahorsekid (Seahorsekid) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:24 pm: Edit

I believe that the answer to the last QC was D... I tried integers and I tried fractions, both of which gave me the same answer... but I then put in even smaller fractions and got the other answer.

By Whtx (Whtx) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:26 pm: Edit

can someone compile a list of confirmed answers?

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit

i had 4 math sections and section 3 (before the qc and fill ins) was the experimental - from what i hear the verbal experimental was the one with short passages and something about "cool"

experimental sections do not count against u in any way, they are not computed in ur score - if u got 4 math sections then math was ur experimental - 4 verbal, then that was ur experimental

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:30 pm: Edit

i think a lot of people got A for the last QC - check the previous posts

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:31 pm: Edit

thanks misfit: Yeah- I put the propgation of reproduction or whatever that was....I remember there being some question about science being "reductive" that could have been tough, but I don't really remember the question that specifically....And liface: experimental section does not count at all; it's dropped.

By Briansee (Briansee) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:33 pm: Edit

I do not remember which sections had which reading passage. My test had:

Verbal
Math
Math
Verbal
Verbal
10 min Verbal
10 min Math

Can someone please tell me which one was the experimental verbal? I am really hoping it is the 5th one since I skipped 3 on that one.

By Misfit6toy (Misfit6toy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:35 pm: Edit

something like "which statement disproves the idea that scientific inquiry is unpleasantly reductive?" - i put "scientific questioning can give us greater appreciation of ordinary objects"

wasnt that the one u mentioned before?

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:38 pm: Edit

for one of the sent. compl. did anyone if u put Evasive or Concession as one of ur ansewrs.... plz say yes....

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit

can someone also tell me the answer to weave : tapestry plz

By Zacdizzle (Zacdizzle) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit

plutocracy:wealth-meritocracy:talent

i think i f'ed that one up and put bureau:administration

im wrong arent i?

By Simplyloved (Simplyloved) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit

so was the BAS experimental or the one about grammar cuz they were bith 35 questions. I hope the bas was experimental because i didn't like thta one at all.

By Briansee (Briansee) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:40 pm: Edit

"can someone also tell me the answer to weave : tapestry plz"

I put chisel : statue

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:41 pm: Edit

dang i dont remember wut i put exactly....

By Srkkadz (Srkkadz) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:43 pm: Edit

At my school, a girl had BAS and so did I, even though she had a math experimental section. So, I guess the one about grammar is the experimental one.

By Math_Enthusiast (Math_Enthusiast) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:43 pm: Edit

WEAVE:TAPESTRY::CHISEL:SCULPTURE

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:46 pm: Edit

hmmm i think thats wut i did put cuz i remember going sculpture is made by using a chisel.... i hope so ....wut about sent. compl? ty for the fast responses as i had just posted this about 5 minutes ago... : )

By Simplyloved (Simplyloved) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:46 pm: Edit

NOOO!!! the bas thingy killed me.. does anyone remember if the bas was the only cr in that section or if there was another one.

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:49 pm: Edit

Hey guys, I compiled a list of all of the confirmed answers on verbal - hope this is helpful.

VERBAL CONFIRMED:
Analogies:
-frigid: cold
-cool:
-company: actors
2) torch:light-tent:shelter
13) dramatist:play-autobigorapher: memoir
14) sanguine:optimism-tenacious:persistence
15) plutocracy:wealth-meritocracy:talent
-fulfilled: revered
-cool: temp
-store department
-mar: appearance
-bilingual: language
- CHISEL:SCULPTURE


Sentence Completions:
1) inadvertantly, accident
2) hazardous, benign
7) divisive
10. vituperative
-fortitude (grandparents)
-impetus
-copious
-belying, exceed

Reading Comprehension:

Ripening Fruit:
-Creation and Destruction = ambiguity
-adding insight to ordinary objects
-agents = propogation of own kind

Spanglish:
-family encouraged variter of language/diverse use (something to that effect)
-Squeak = resistance to new ways of speaking, or something
-aint = humorous
-image = cpnception

Antarctica:
-ethos = Òfrom the same groupÓ
-both men and women should have access
-pragmatic
-tearinbg of rainbow: negative asp. Of sci.


Washington:
1. I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:52 pm: Edit

Netmet,
Bipartisan:politics is the WRONG answer.

Also, what was the question with fulfilled:revered?

By Tomas (Tomas) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:53 pm: Edit

Anyone remember the WRONG answer that was't an anotonym on impetus?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:54 pm: Edit

Slipstream: my mistake---I meant to say bilingual: language, sorry.

By Lorival (Lorival) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:56 pm: Edit

thank you! :)

are you sure it's bipartisan?
ambidextrous: hands. i thought bilingual:language
someone ambidextrous can use both hands, someone bilingual can makes use of two languages. bipartisan just refers to two parties

By Theleet (Theleet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:57 pm: Edit

Are those really the "confirmed" answers for the final verbal? A lot of those were really weird.

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:00 pm: Edit

did the squeak one contain the word stifle in it?

By Lorival (Lorival) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:00 pm: Edit

nevermind! :)
for antarctica, what were the answers to the questions comparing the two passages? i think one dealt w/ historical continuity, and the other was "how would 1 respond to 2"?

i put that other nations had people in antarctica w/ women for an answer...

By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:01 pm: Edit

I don't remember the fulfilled:revered! Can someone please tell me what the question was? Are you sure it wasn't experimental?

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:02 pm: Edit

Yes, lorival, i put the other nations answer too

By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:04 pm: Edit

Washington:
image is conception

can u explain that? cause I really don't agree with you..

By Srkkadz (Srkkadz) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:05 pm: Edit

topics I remember on CR sections:
1. BAS- arctic
2. food- reductive science
3. grammar
4. feminine and masculine qualities assigned to inanimate objects
5. woodward

also, shouldn't the answer be incongruous instead of viruperative since viruperative is censuring someone, like verbal abuse, while incongruous is being inconsistent, thus unfair in judging someone?

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:05 pm: Edit

sooooo did the squeak one have in the answer the word stifle........

By Kcg (Kcg) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:06 pm: Edit

Hi Everyone!

Does anyone know what the MATH EXPERIMENTAL section was? thanks!

By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:07 pm: Edit

liface, I think it is called experimental because it is an experiment and won't affect your score.

they seriously put a writing section on a test? that is just plain cruel

By Vanessa1378 (Vanessa1378) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:08 pm: Edit

ripening/fruit section was NOT experimental because I had that section and I had 4 math sections.

By Srkkadz (Srkkadz) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:08 pm: Edit

topics I remember on CR sections so we can finally figure out which verbal was experimental:
1. BAS- arctic- definitely not experimental
2. food- reductive science
3. grammar
4. feminine and masculine qualities assigned to inanimate objects- loved it, but I think it was experimental
5. woodward- hated it, killed my V score to a great extent

also, shouldn't the answer be incongruous instead of viruperative since viruperative is censuring someone, like verbal abuse, while incongruous is being inconsistent, thus unfair in judging someone?

By Anovice (Anovice) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:14 pm: Edit

The ONLY question which I had NO CLUE HOW TO DO was the fish one. Could someone please explain!

By Grumptious (Grumptious) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:15 pm: Edit

so what do you think the curve will be? HOPEFULLY LENIENT. personally i didn't think the test was easy. i'm just hoping to do better than i did my first time.

By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:15 pm: Edit

Srkkadz
what was the rest of the analogy?

By Whtx (Whtx) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:21 pm: Edit

How can weave:tapestry be chisel:scuplture? Weave is a verb while chisel is a noun.

Whats the context for
-impetus ?
-copious ?

By Srkkadz (Srkkadz) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:22 pm: Edit

vtran: this was not an analogy, it was a sentence completion- #10

It said that the critic judged her unfairly and harshly and I think they were looking for a synonym for unfairly. So, I put incongruous since it is being inconsistent and not fair to everyone, but most people say it is viruperative, which is censuring someone, as in verbal abuse.

By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:23 pm: Edit

chisel can also be a noun

Example: =I chisel the stone to make int into a sculpture

I hate the multiple definition ones.

By Shizpit (Shizpit) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:24 pm: Edit

chisel can be a verb to chisel away at something

By Srkkadz (Srkkadz) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:24 pm: Edit

Impetus was the stimulation for the nations signing the treaty while copious was about numerous mission to mars and the ___ (copious)information they uncovered.

By Netmet (Netmet) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:24 pm: Edit

" How can weave:tapestry be chisel:scuplture? Weave is a verb while chisel is a noun. "

chisel can also be used in verb form.

By Whightknight (Whightknight) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:32 pm: Edit

Srkkadz; however, it is vituperative, because within the sentence it used the word "invective" as what the judge was doing. And that word is a synonym of vituperative.

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:32 pm: Edit

was evasive one of the sent. compl answers

By Rovee (Rovee) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:34 pm: Edit

Netmet, for the analogy...

ambidextrous : hand

the answer is... bilingual : language

If you are ambidextruous you can use both hands equally and if you are bilingual you can speak two languages equally. The relationship for bipartisan : politics would be like a "two party government". (We just went over that stuff in AP Gov.)

By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:35 pm: Edit

I thought the answer was vituperative because of the word harsh. nad if you are vituperative oyu tend not to be fair. you cna be incongruous wihtout being harsh

I didn't even know incongruous meant that... I thought of two shapes not congruent. lol

quick question: what are the odds I will get the SAT score in the mail before regular registration deadline for the december test? the information sheet says one day after the regular registration deadline. I live in Midland TX ( west texas)

I college board did that on purpose. buncha lousy money grubers

By Rovee (Rovee) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:36 pm: Edit

Hmm.. it seems that my previous post was a little late, but oh well. :-)

By Tamy02 (Tamy02) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:37 pm: Edit

Verbal

Analogies

skillet:cook :: hammer:carpenter
plutocracy:welath :: bureacracy:admistration
sanguine:optimism :: tenacious:persistence
ambidextrous: hands :: bilingual:language
singer:choir :: company: actors
torch:light :: tent:shelter
ward:hospital :: store :department
mar: appearance
buoyancy:sink

SC
inadvertently, accident
vituperative
hazardous, benign
copious, dispelling

I remeber i got 8pi for the answeerrrrrrr to the circle one!heehehe!

By Smerdyakov (Smerdyakov) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:39 pm: Edit

I think I may have skipped the squeak question because I dont remember it, could someone describe it in more detail. I also remember getting surpassed and spawned for the light question

By Ranibaybee (Ranibaybee) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:40 pm: Edit

as far as i know....it was 8 pi for the circle one, four or more triangles for the line AB one, 1/3 for the 3x=3y+1, 65 for the test scores with 85 as the median, and 1/5 for the bo girl one...that seems to be the only ones ppl re arguing....

about the 8pi....thats definitely right...i guess its how u interpret it...but u have to really look at the question. they said that the area of the LARGEST circle was 16pi...so when it says the area INSIDE the largest circle...that means that u dont include that circle...so u subtract 1pi (the smallest circle) from 9pi..the area inside the largest circle....yea

By Dumbya1206 (Dumbya1206) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:02 pm: Edit

Did anyone get a math question about three people who were either a doctor, a teacher and a judge? Was that section experimental?

By Simplyloved (Simplyloved) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:13 pm: Edit

so the spanglish one (the one i call grammar) was not experimental? was the BAS the only CR in it's section or were there more? was the fruit ripening the only CR in it's section, or were there more?

I didn't get the math problem with the 3 ppl so that must have been xperimental cuz i had ex. verbal.

By Briansee (Briansee) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:55 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember the critical reading sections for the 5th section if they had:

Verbal
Math
Math
Verbal
Verbal
Verbal
Math

By Cresolred (Cresolred) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:10 pm: Edit

What did everyone get for that QC that had x, y, and 5, where x was positive (something like 5 is x more than y) and you had to compare x and y?

By Nobu (Nobu) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:18 pm: Edit

can someone summarize the consensus reached on each disputable question?

By Keng1 (Keng1) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:40 am: Edit

wut did u guys put for the vegetable question... it was on the 35 question section

By Anonymous4 (Anonymous4) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:28 am: Edit

anyone get lots of cs in the middle for section 1 math

By Illuminati (Illuminati) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:48 am: Edit

Ranibaybee: \In"side`, a. 1. Being within; included or inclosed in anything; contained; interior; internal;

The definition states "included or inclosed IN ANYTHING" ('anything' being the circumference of the largest circle OR the area of the circle, which is - in part - what makes this question controversial). A circle is the locus of all points equidistant from a
central point (essentially, its CIRCUMFERENCE is what constitutes the circle). There are, however, arguments against this regarding SIDES of a circle (or lack thereof) as they/it relate to the "inside" of the circle, which which is why I've come to the conclusion that this question was simply unreasonable. Such is the world of ETS I suppose...

By Omegaz (Omegaz) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:34 am: Edit

Does anyone know if the line segment AB right triangle question was in the experimental math section?

By Tamy02 (Tamy02) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:41 am: Edit

Is anyone willing to compile a list of FINAL answers!?

By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:57 am: Edit

the reading sections that weren't exprimental were
1)antartica dual passage
2)the washington woodward one
3)the cooking/science one

can someone please post what they had for the math sections if they had 4 verbal sections??


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