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What did you guys think of it? I had a few questions I was unsure about. For the one that was like "Just as some cats enjoy to be petted, so some people enjoy being flattered from time to time." I thought "to be petted" and "so" were wrong so I didn't know what to do. I ended up putting "to be petted." Another one I was unsure of was the one about the artist who traveled Europe and saw stuff from impressionists, i put "an experience that contributed" but there was another that was like "which contributed" but i was unsure b/c i think the sentence meant the travel itself contributed to his sense of color. Also, for the one about the author who said mountain tellers told the legends so well she had to do nothing more than transcribe them or something like that, what did u guys put? I ended up putting E. No error. O ya, and I'm curious to know what others put for the essay. I wrote about Gandhi's decision to protest violence and hate with peace and love. In my intro. par. i first stated the decision, then the next par. i described his life. then i said how he not only won independence for india but also inspired JFK and King in my next par. then my concluding par. was how like not all men follow his ideas unfortunately and i said how gandhi, JFK, and King were all assassinated. my last sentence said something about how his decision will never be forgotten. What do you guys think? Thanks! Hope everyone did well!

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:50 am: Edit

(By the way, to those who control the CC web site, please tell me if it is too early to discuss questions. I believe it's ok since everyone has to take SAT II writing first, but if I am violating any rule of College board please tell me so I know not to talk about the test yet)

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:01 am: Edit

I didn't know #49. It was to fix "newspaper balh blah are burned in the stove."

I probably got it wrong. I put Newspaper and blah blah find their way into the belly of th emonster.

By Lilchnsgrl (Lilchnsgrl) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:06 am: Edit

If I didn't finish my essay, should I cancel my score? I did an introduction and 2 body paragraphs but I didn't get to my third body paragraph or conclusion.

For my essay I wrote about the emancipation proclamation. First I wrote about how it was a hard decision to make (because Lincoln wanted to keep the union together). Then I wrote about the strategic advantages gained for the union my the emancipation proclamation (make civil war international humanitarian cause, etc). However I never got to talking about the emancipation proclamation's effect on posterity, which happens to be the most important part. Therefore I'm wondering whether or not I should cancel my score. Because I am a senior there aren't really alot of opportunities to retake this test and my SAT I's, which I had previosly bombed.

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:12 am: Edit

If content was good, minimum of 3 regardless of imcompletion.

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:21 am: Edit

Even if we are allowed to talk about the test, please someone from CC tell me that it is okay because I am apprehensive to discuss the test further

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:26 am: Edit

Is it ok, if for the essay, I only used one example? I talked about Huck Finn and his decision to "go to hell". 2 body paragraphs, a great intro and a decent conclusion. The directions said to pick "a" example (in the past, they've said one or more, haven't they), so I only picked one...Later, however, I realized that nearly everyone had still worked in 2 or more.
Is it still possible for me to get 10+ with a one-example essay?

I chose the "belly of the monster" one cuz it related back to something in the passage (unsure though).

Trig--I also picked the same answers you picked.

Was there an error in the cookbook question? I picked A, "Like his other cookbooks," but I think it's wrong.

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:29 am: Edit

For my essay, I talked about Reagan and his decisions.

I chose the belly of the monster too. On the cookbook question, I put something to do with the principles of cooking...what was it...the underlined section was like [of what] or something, it just didn't sound right and you have to go with your instinct.

What about that biology sentence correction? Something abouy cytology being blah blah blah...I put that it was OK as written.

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:36 am: Edit

Like his other cookbooks, the Cook [verb] blah blah in his new (?) cookbook blah blah

the "Like his other cookbooks" is wrong.

faulty comparison.

bird, me too. it was A i think.

all other choices were wordy or grammaticaly wrong.

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:37 am: Edit

energy-that was my reasoning as well.

What was the answer to the pesticide one?

I think I picked
"greater one than on"

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:38 am: Edit

For the essay, I talked about the initial british people who decided to come here and follow it up w/ my parents decision to immigrate to the United States.

BTW I think all of you guys used excellent examples for your essays. I'm sure you will all get 5s and 6s.

here are some of my answers to MC:
-belly of the monster
-other cook book
-cytology ok as written
-to be petted (not parallel)
-an experience that contributed (impressionist crap)
-transcribe (i thought it should be TO transcribe, or transcribing, but it's probably E, cuz i only had like 3 Es in sentence error questions)
-propersticve (lol it should be perspective)

By Donutlover (Donutlover) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:38 am: Edit

for my essay i used 3 examples

1. Holocaust and the United States helping the Jews
2. The War on Terrorism
3. Lance Armstrongs autobiography and his choice to fight cancer and not give up

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:40 am: Edit

Wait, did we have to talk about ONE decions, or multiple decisions???

I think only 1, and then use several examples to support why it's great blah blah

By Lilchnsgrl (Lilchnsgrl) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:40 am: Edit

Energy1, do you mean 3 each (6/12) or total score of 3/12? For #49 I think I picked a different one from both above (the one about even doing work for the newspaper by ordering and compiling it).

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:42 am: Edit

paul-same here! I don't get how you talk about multiple...A great decision was made when ____. How do you fit multiple things into that blank? Or was it not necessary to finish that sentence word for word?

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:42 am: Edit

double post

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:42 am: Edit

i think he means 6/12

btw this test (MC section) was not much easier than barron's tests, but the essay topic was so broad and so easy to write about. You can basically talk about anything, whereas the barron's topics are like AP essays. Oh BTW "whereas" was an answer on the test. I think the correct word should be that.

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:43 am: Edit

Bleh.

I counted 4 No errors in first 20 SC and 1 in last 10 SC.

nooooo~~~~~~~

I have a bad habit of checking how many E's I have during a test and making sure the number doesnt go to extremes

By Donutlover (Donutlover) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:45 am: Edit

fucck will i get screwed over?c

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:45 am: Edit

Lilchngirl

I meant minimum of 6/12

It may go up to 8/12 depending on your structure and content but I dont think anyone who has not completed an essay has gotten a 10/12

have there been such cases?

By Donutlover (Donutlover) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:47 am: Edit

am i gonna get a bad score for
for my essay i used 3 examples

1. Holocaust and the United States helping the Jews
2. The War on Terrorism
3. Lance Armstrongs autobiography and his choice to fight cancer and not give up

By Biteme (Biteme) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:47 am: Edit

me too. 4.

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:48 am: Edit

Donutlover,

no you will not get screwed. You probably did not have enough time to develop EACH example to get a 12, but i think you can get at least 10, provided that you have decent grammar and word choice.

The topic was very broad, and there is no "wrong" answer. The only problem is that you can't fully explain 3 examples in 20 min, or maybe you did?

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:50 am: Edit

no, they didn't specifically say use only one. I used one, but that was because I felt really strongly about it and wouldn't have been able to fit more. As it was, I barely had any room.

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:51 am: Edit

how many can you get wrong on MC and still get an 800? (assuming perfect essay)

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:53 am: Edit

Babybird-- 5-8, I'd say.

What would've been a good concluding sentence for the heat passage? I said "But I still prefer the thermostat," but it sounds bad to begin the sentence with "but". I thought all the choices were bad.

By Azntigger0212 (Azntigger0212) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:59 am: Edit

did anyone else have the essay question that talked about not letting others' opinions influence your actions?

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:01 pm: Edit

I picked the thermostat just because the kid was supposed to be like "ho ho ho, I'm making fun of my dad"

what a stupid passage.

but yeah, thermostat.

Also, the passage on Electoral Votes was such a liberal screed.

By Piman3141 (Piman3141) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:02 pm: Edit

phantom, same here. In the end, i chose "but i still prefer the thermostat", because it was the only transitional sentence that linked the 3rd? and 4th paragraphs.

By Sixsixty (Sixsixty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:02 pm: Edit

I wrote about in vitro fertilisation. Don't ask me where that came from...

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:03 pm: Edit

I prefer the thermostat is the answer. None of the other choices made any sense.

By Glory (Glory) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:04 pm: Edit

Phantom: 5-8? ...that renews my hope. Hopefully nobody made the stupid mistake i did in thinking that there were 50 problems instead of 60...

o well, @ least i had a strong essay...

Someone estimate a score for me: 10 omitted, 3 wrong, 11 essay

azntigger: Hi weishan!

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:06 pm: Edit

Was "ably" wrong in the Vietnam photo answer? I've never seen that word used that way before.

The pesticide question."greater one than on"???

Electoral college, "would have" should replace the other phrase in the sentence.

electoral college- With "that" refers to "relationship"???

By Azntigger0212 (Azntigger0212) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:06 pm: Edit

go online glory

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:06 pm: Edit

i'd say in the 710-740 range, probably

I'm really hoping I go up, I took this freshman year and got a 720, it'd be funny if I went down for senior year

all in all, it wasn't too difficult, the test
I had a Nazi proctor though

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:06 pm: Edit

oops double post

By Mistaippa (Mistaippa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:09 pm: Edit

does anyone remember what they put for a question that had "yet hoping to be lenient" underlined

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:11 pm: Edit

yeah, I left that one as it was

By John_Updike (John_Updike) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:12 pm: Edit

MODERATORS, PLEASE DELETE MY THREAD IF IT IS INAPPROPRIATE!!!

Glory, I did that last year, and got perfect on everything else (except essay:11/12). I got a 770. So relax, you will do fine. The strong essay definitely helps.

About the impressionistic one, I put "which had great contributions..." because I did not think "an experience" was mentioned (it was mentioned in a clause, but correct me if I am wrong).

I was also confused about the story teller ("to transcribe") question.

Some others were the "The exceedingly complex novel...an artist tries to find a place in the increasingly technological society" or something of the like. I put no error, but I was not sure about whether "a place" should have been "his place."

Also, I was not sure what to put on the one with the "The Vietnamese photographer ably showed...two businessmen exchanging cards from two...(motorcycles, whatever it was)."

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:12 pm: Edit

knowing he was guilty, "yet hoping for leniency" was the choice I picked. (knowing...hoping--same tense)

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:14 pm: Edit

for the story teller and the complex novel, i put no error, you can't read too much into it

for the vietnam photographer, the answer was [from] it was the wrong preposition, I think it was C or D

By Bifff (Bifff) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:15 pm: Edit

anybody think they know what the curve for this test is going to be?

By Glory (Glory) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:17 pm: Edit

"exceedingly complex novel"..that doesnt sound weird to u?

By Newt (Newt) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:17 pm: Edit

I said that the "yet hoping to be lenient" was correct (I think).

By Azntigger0212 (Azntigger0212) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:18 pm: Edit

what was the essay prompt? i think i messed up on that...that would be REALLY bad....do they have different prompts for different tests?

By Mistaippa (Mistaippa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:19 pm: Edit

Phantom, i looked up ably

ably

\A"bly, adv. In an able manner; with great ability; as, ably done, planned, said.

i think "ably captured" would then sound ok with this definition... i thought the same as you at first.. that I had never seen the word used like that, but I guess it can be..

By Drbond007 (Drbond007) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:19 pm: Edit

hey everyone, can anyone tell me wut i get if i got about 11 MC wrong and mabye a 10-11 on da essay?

By Glory (Glory) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:25 pm: Edit

dont worry azntigger!

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:25 pm: Edit

ably is fine and so is "exceedingly complex" it's a little flowery but still correct

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:28 pm: Edit

What about my latter 3 questions?

The pesticide question: "greater one than on"???

Electoral college, "would have" should replace the other phrase in the sentence.

electoral college- With "that" refers to "relationship"?

also, i think "in fact" was an answer to a passage question

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:28 pm: Edit

yes, vietnam photographer was "[some verb] from"

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:29 pm: Edit

Dang, I put E. No error for the one about cooking, I had thought that it said "Like his other cookbooks, Random Guy's new cookbook blah blah" so like I thought it did compare the new cookbook to the old ones and not the old ones to Random Guy, but maybe im remembering the phrasing of the sentence wrong...did anyone else put E, or am i just wrong? lol I also put no error for the one about the picture, i didn't know if the prepostion "from" was incorrect, but I was almost positive saying ably was ok. what did everyone else put?

By Drbond007 (Drbond007) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

hey everyone, can anyone tell me wut i get if i got about 11 MC wrong and mabye a 10-11 on da essay? also, does anyone know where to find like a conversion table or sumtin?

By Rxb (Rxb) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:33 pm: Edit

random question

if you submit SAT II's to colleges, do you have to submit all of them?

By Xbizkitl (Xbizkitl) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit

Can we have an AIM session or something to discuss all the answers?

I'll start one: Oct9Writing.

By Number9 (Number9) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

The pesticide question: "greater one than on"

No, it was greater on than the causes or something. It had to have causes reiterated in the choice or it would be comparing directly to the kid.

Some of those questions...ugh.

I only used one example of my essay. I talked about deciding to choose a class at my school. I don't think I did well, but I put a personal spin on it. I've always heard to avoid so many examples -- especially ones so non-related to each other.

By Cognitio (Cognitio) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:47 pm: Edit

I used one example and got a 10 on my essay (800 overall) when I took writing. One example is fine if it's a good example.

By Glory (Glory) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:48 pm: Edit

hey 9, u took writing too? pesticide had greater effect on children than on adults..

i think the choice was C..or D...

but something was wrong with the original.

By John_Updike (John_Updike) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:07 pm: Edit

In my answer about the pesticide one, the word "effect" was repeated.

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:09 pm: Edit

did anyone else put the same answers as me for the cooking and the picture ones?

By Number9 (Number9) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:10 pm: Edit

I can't remember the choices. I SO b/s'ed the essay though. I think I combined 2-3 of my teachers into this one guy.

Oh well.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:11 pm: Edit

I put A... in the cooking one.

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:32 pm: Edit

are u sure the cooking one was A?

By Number9 (Number9) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit

The cooking one just sounded incredibly bizarre to me. I couldn't really grasp it. I hate the cooking question with a passion. A chef will be murdered tonight. Probably Emeril.

By C_J (C_J) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit

Whoa. I see no reason why one couldn't have used three examples. This is what I did:

"A great decision was made when" any individual decided to face adversity and resultingly made a positive benefit to society. Individual experience, history, and a modern event all illustrate how.... blah blah blah. Then I used Lance Armstrong, the Civil Rights Movement, and a counter example of Rwanda as examples that showed the importance of facing hardship/evil in order to do good.

What's wrong with that?

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 01:54 pm: Edit

^ nothing wrong, just make sure you talk about each for more than two sentences.

I've heard that graders prefer depth to breath, and since i'm a slow writer, it works to my advantage to talk about only one or two in depth

By Worthfightingfo (Worthfightingfo) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:01 pm: Edit

I put E for the cooking one too. It totally threw me off..I was like wtf?

Noo I got the vietnam photographer wrong..I chose "ably" too but I did have second thoughts about how that PROBABLY was a word...and from did sound kind of wrong. Alright.

For my essay, I kind of did something different...I made a topic within a topic? A great decision was made...in history when a group made it or something like that. I talked about how group decisions to fight for a cause result in good things because the passion and will is there, and you will have more power.
I chose two examples:
- Person's case which was canadian - these women fought for the right to be called "people"
- WWII Allies - decision to take down the Nazis.

in general, for SAT II essays, are you supposed to end with some philisophical thing? Princeton review seems to suggest this..

By C_J (C_J) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:14 pm: Edit

Yeah, I covered a great deal of depth in my essay. I had to spend 27 or so minutes on it though, which makes me worried that I messed up the multiple choice.

"if you submit SAT II's to colleges, do you have to submit all of them?"

Yep, (unfortunately).

For the improvement of the woodchopping, father/son passage, what did you guys put for the "What should come after the 'Not dad' sentence to transition to sentence 12?" All the answer choices didn't seem that great. I think I marked A, "In his form," but in retrospect, I think it should have been something along the lines of "Regardless of this." Eh.

By Worthfightingfo (Worthfightingfo) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:16 pm: Edit

I put "in fact" for the dad passage. I think thats the question you're referring to

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit

See i think the cooking one was E b/c i thought it said "Like his earlier cookbooks, Chef Louis's new cookbook...."
which means it does compare the earlier cookbooks to the new one since Chef Louis is possessive. however, i may be remembering the question incorrectly, anyone else remember? And for the photographer one i can't decide if from is wrong...it was like "Exchanged cards from side-by-side rickshaws." so does from not work??? what would be the correct preposition if from is wrong???

By C_J (C_J) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:23 pm: Edit

Darn. Oh well.

Anyway, someone posed the question earlier and I'll repeat it again, does anyone have a general writing scale? (e.g. How many multiple choice you need to get correct for an 800 if your essay received a 10?)

Edit: Trigulater127 -- I marked E for the photographer one because I couldn't think of another preposition that should replace "from."

By Melissamelissa (Melissamelissa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:27 pm: Edit

for the essay.........
it was like

A great decision was when ___

ok...my problem is what it says WAS when not IS when, so it was asking for a specific example right? so what i did was i wrote the constitution of the US was a great decision b/c 1, united america, gave liberties.blabla 2, it was the result of a compromise (bill of rights feds and anti feds..) and it is flexible (can be changed later and stuff.

is this right? or were we supposed to have like 3 diff examples in diff catagoies, lit, history, science and tech, experience, etc.???

and for the one that was like "....but it was virtually deserted from tourists" waht was the error?

By C_J (C_J) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:31 pm: Edit

^ I thought it was supposed to be deserted "by"?

By Drbond007 (Drbond007) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:31 pm: Edit

hey everyone, can anyone tell me wut i get if i got about 11 MC wrong and mabye a 10-11 on da essay? also, does anyone know where to find like a conversion table or sumtin?

By Biteme (Biteme) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:32 pm: Edit

would not doing 5 paragraphs screw the writing score over?
i used 4 paragraphs.

By Melissamelissa (Melissamelissa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:34 pm: Edit

i did 5 Ps...

an yea for the deserted one i thought "deserted from tourists" was wrong cuz u cant really be deserted from something...its just deserted u know?

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:35 pm: Edit

it is supposed to be deserted "by" , they had a lot of wrong preposition ones

By Biteme (Biteme) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:36 pm: Edit

whats the max score a 4-Paragraphed essay can get?

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:42 pm: Edit

I didn't structure mine like intro, body, conclusion. I just broke it up whenever I felt it needed it.

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 02:44 pm: Edit

There is no max or min. A 5 paragraph essay is just more likely to get a 6 than a 4 paragraph one.

Quality is important, not quantity!!!!!! (although it's rare for 3 paragraph ones to get 6s)

By Melissamelissa (Melissamelissa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:02 pm: Edit

what other prep errors were on there?

By Billiam2 (Billiam2) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:05 pm: Edit

where was the vietnam photographer question? was it the last question, or...?

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:53 pm: Edit

"A Note on Length

The directions would have you believe that length matters not a whit in comparison to content. Don’t believe the directions. Length is important. You need to prove to the readers that you didn’t spend fifteen minutes picking your cuticles and writing an invitation list for your toga party, and five minutes writing two skimpy paragraphs.

So how long does the essay have to be? Four paragraphs. Five paragraphs if you have the time. You need an introductory paragraph, two or three paragraphs that use examples to prove your point (more on examples later in the chapter), and a concluding paragraph."

I took this straight from Sparknotes' page on writing the essay so I think 4 or 5 paragraphs is fine.

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:53 pm: Edit

Hm. The test booklet said "don't worry if you don't finish your essay; the graders are trained to grade what you have, not what you don't have." i didn't exactly finish my essay, but I thought it was good nonetheless. I started out talking about how it's difficult to find good decisions in a society full of and lead by bad decisions, then I segued into talking about how Salvador Allende running for president of Chile was a good decision. It might have gotten somewhat off topic, but I was hoping my obscure bit of history for an example would get me some points...heh heh. Probably not.

The electoral votes thing was common sense, not a liberal screed.

I really, really hate the multiple choice part of this test. Faulkner totally would have failed.

By Succor101 (Succor101) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:57 pm: Edit

Is it catastophic to use more than 1 example on the essay topic "A great decision was made when_"?

Or does the topic not have to be interpreted quite so strictly??

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:59 pm: Edit

I said E for the Vietnam one

By Succor101 (Succor101) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:02 pm: Edit

Oh, by the way, here's the scale copied from the real SATII book:

92+ 800
91 790
90 780
89 770
88 760
87 750
86 750
85 740
84 730
83 720
82 710
81 700
79 690
78 680
77 670
76 660
75 660
74 650
...

the pattern continues
-to find raw score, multiply ur essay score /12 by 3.43 and add multiple choice, which is # right-#wrong/4

Of course, this data might be outdated...

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:03 pm: Edit

Here, from the collegeboard website:

"Don't panic if you run out of time.
Readers are trained to score your essay on what you have written, not on what you didn't have time to write."

By Kousuke (Kousuke) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:12 pm: Edit

""Don't panic if you run out of time.
Readers are trained to score your essay on what you have written, not on what you didn't have time to write." "

what is that suppose to mean? if youre cut in the middle of a paragraph, are they going to judge it as if they lost the next page? so they extrapolate on your essay and grade, basically?
that seems suspicious....sounds like theyre lying.....
except i really hope thats the case because i was so busy doing MC that i was just starting my second body paragraph....AAAAAHHHH. and i did so well on my MC, crap, im thinking my max score right now is like a 610 with a 4 on the essay because it was incomplete. thats atleast a 50 point drop. this is really scaring me...

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:16 pm: Edit

Ah well.

The SAT IIs don't matter, anyway. C'est la vie. Failure is not catastrophic...

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:23 pm: Edit

I'm not sure if I fully answered the prompt. I said that no specific decision can be discussed, but rather the greater theme that the topic symbolizes should be. Also, how most great decisions were made on the basis of furthering a cause.

My two examples were Alice Paul and Huck Finn (i.e. Alice Paul deciding not to eat = iron jawed angels = a catalyst of women's enfrachisement, and Huck Finn decided to help Jim escape slavery = ending slavery, in so many words).

I spent too much time on my essay, though, and had to rush throguh the mutliple choice questions.

By Succor101 (Succor101) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:27 pm: Edit

So it is OK to have more than one example of "a great decision"? I don't think the assignment said to choose only one...

By Melissamelissa (Melissamelissa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:35 pm: Edit

OK everyone--
one decision or 2/3 decisions? which one was it asking for?

By Teal (Teal) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:35 pm: Edit

For those who have taken the test and NOT finished their essays:

/what score did you get, and how many paragraphs did you have? and about how many lines were NOT filled out

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:36 pm: Edit

I really don't think it matters as long as you wrote it well.

By Caitio2005 (Caitio2005) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:39 pm: Edit

Length really doesn't make a differance in the essays... I took the writing SAT 2 last June and got a 10 on the essay portion with a two paragraph, uncompleted essay. I got a 700 overall (ran out of time on multiple choice), so that's why I re-took it today. I dont think it matters what or how much you write, as long as you write it well.

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:41 pm: Edit

My essay was a page and a half, almost two pages. I call it unfinished because I didn't have time to make a strong conclusion. I just WROTE and it felt good...so I hope it is good. I think I probably got a 10/12, at least.

By Chidimma (Chidimma) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:42 pm: Edit

my essay was total ----------. I hope it doesnt bring down my score. I dont do well with prompted essays like that. blah.

By Tula (Tula) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:47 pm: Edit

wasn't the Vietnam photography one: "ably" as the incorrect section. Although ably is a word, wasn't it supposed to be "aptly captured..." I don;t know, but the ably bit just sounded wrong.

did anyone put "true to its form, my dad sent me to collect firewood" as the link? What about "Not Dad...."? Was it "one instance was when"?

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:48 pm: Edit

I put "true to form." and "Ably" sounds funny, but it's not WRONG...it makes sense, with the definition.

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:49 pm: Edit

I had like 8 paragraphs I think, but of a couple sentences each. Shrug.

By Succor101 (Succor101) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:49 pm: Edit

Plz, plz tell me somebody:
Is it OK to have more than one decision example in the essay???

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:49 pm: Edit

100th post!

ably captured is just as correct as aptly captured.

I put "true to form"

By Moocow961 (Moocow961) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:52 pm: Edit

Yeah, i put true to form also.

By Tula (Tula) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:03 pm: Edit

Yah, but you know how they have some Sentence Corrections where the incorrect word is used - the word sounds the same, but it's not correct. They're more like nuance questions.
So technically, yes, the photographer ably captured the images/whatever. But how do you ably capture an image or a relationship between urban and rural or whatever was going on there? It HAS to be APTLY - said the stubborn and desperate SATer.

By Kousuke (Kousuke) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:06 pm: Edit

um.... is that scale succor101 posted accurate? because last time i took the writing, i missed 16 questions, and got an 8 on my essay and still got a 660. shouldnt i have recieved like a 590? i guess i cant complain....but, is that wrong?
(60-16)-(16x0.25)=40
8x3.43=27.44
40+27.44=67.44
so i had a score of 67. but according to succor101's scale a 76 has a 660. ....did they give me the wrong score?

By Succor101 (Succor101) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:08 pm: Edit

Umm..the scale's from a pretty old real SATII book, so it's prolly outdated...

By Tormima (Tormima) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:01 pm: Edit

For the decision essay, I wrote about a personal event (missions trip), and didn't focus completely on making the decision, but described why it was a good decision. Is that ok?? I didn't think that everyone would write about historical events and stuff..? I think it was pretty well written, but is the topic good?

By Biteme (Biteme) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:09 pm: Edit

its fine to write about multiple examples..makes your essay stronger, possibly

By Aznhermit (Aznhermit) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:22 pm: Edit

I would like to say that i did HORRIBLE on the MC on the test... i dunno y... but i did talk about the Louisiana Purchase for the essay

By Iamqueena (Iamqueena) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:27 pm: Edit

for the essay I said the great decision was to decide that it was a good thing to say " why not try (blank)?"
Examples I used:
-thomas paine's common sense
- Michael Moore's producers distributing Fahreinheit 9/11
- Michael Phelps and his olympic medals.
yeah, basically I talked about why their ideas defied the normal, and inspired others.

I thought it was such a hard essay question though....I was like... wow, I'm so braindead

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:35 pm: Edit

To find out your essay score, do you have to order something extra? Or do you get it in your score report?

By Tormima (Tormima) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:37 pm: Edit

I wrote about ONLY a personal example... is that ok, or will I get a horrible score?

By Babybird87 (Babybird87) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:20 pm: Edit

I was going to do the War on Terror, but I ended up thinking that any recent political examples were too likely to get a biased reading by somebody.

Of course, going with Reagan wasn't exactly nonpartisan, but whatever.

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:21 pm: Edit

^ for the billionth time, it doesn't matter how many examples you have or what type of example you have. All that matters is how much depth and development your example(s), whether personal or historical, have!!!!

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 07:22 pm: Edit

I talked about the abuses committed by America during the Cold War...someone may be biased against that. So be it...

By Mistaippa (Mistaippa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:02 pm: Edit

what did people put as the ending for "newspapers and something..." - refers to the woodstove or something

i put "even the newspapers and ... could not escape my dad's grasp" or something like that

i know others put "... couldn't escape the belly monster or something" but I was wondering if anyone else put my answer as theirs

i just thought the dad's grasp made more sense

By Pcrunner17 (Pcrunner17) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:17 pm: Edit

Although "ably" is not "WRONG" according to its definition, in the context of the sentence, it doesn't really seem to fit. I'd have to say they were looking for you to catch, "aptly."

Then again, maybe I can't talk -- I didn't prep at all, and by the time I got to question 40, I thought I was done (40 questions in 40 minutes...?). It was a horrible surprise to find that I had 10 more to do...but I managed it in my remaining two minutes. Then I found that I had 10 more...sadness .

By Worthfightingfo (Worthfightingfo) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:27 pm: Edit

i didn't put belly monster because I thought it was sort of ambiguous..who is the belly monster kind of thing...it doesn't talk about the stove that way at all previously. i chose the one saying the newspapers were carefully collected - it seemed like the one leftover from poe.

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:44 pm: Edit

Actually, it referred to the stove as a "black monster." Sorry.

By Mistaippa (Mistaippa) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:55 pm: Edit

but i mean, c'mon, belly monster, black monster, yea they both have monster but one's a "belly" type and one's a "black" type :-P

By Godot (Godot) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:04 pm: Edit

Quick question: do the proctors collect your essays at the 20-minute mark? It sounds like some people might have spent more than 20 minutes on the essay, whereas the official policy, I believe, is that you're allowed a maximum of 20 minutes on the essay, although you can move onto to the MC section right away if you're done early with the essay section.

By Collegebound123 (Collegebound123) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:24 pm: Edit

If you finish the M.C. early, you can go back to the essay.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:45 pm: Edit

Yea, I spent about 25 minutes on my essay.

The 20 minutes required, plus 5 minutes at the end. I used the 5 minutes to write my conclusion.

By Drbond007 (Drbond007) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:49 pm: Edit

hey guys, please respond, do you think that the curve will be generous on this test, like say if u got a 10 on essay and 10 wrong on MC = 730-750????

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:12 pm: Edit

Regarding the question on the newspaper being thrown into the stove,

The phrase did not say belly monster, it said, "the belly OF the monster." IMO that is the correct answer b/c in the previous sentence, the author refers to the stove as the "black monster."

BTW i don't think the curve would significantly change, maybe by 10 points but not much more.

By Geoguy (Geoguy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:27 pm: Edit

I thought it was pretty easy. I wrote about the American Revolution in my essay. lol I spent around 25 minutes on my essay. I went back to it after question #50 (I think) since I thought I was done. Then, 3 minutes before the test ended, I saw there were two more pages of MC. Surprisingly, I finished them.

By Geoguy (Geoguy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:28 pm: Edit

Hey, were there survey questions for Writing? I didn't notice the survey questions until test #2. If I left them blank, my test still counts, right?

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:31 pm: Edit

There were no survey questions for Writing, and they don't matter anyway.

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:31 pm: Edit

"Plz, plz tell me somebody:
Is it OK to have more than one decision example in the essay???"

hehe--succor, your reaction was the opposite of mine. everyone else i knew used 2-3 examples b/c their tutors told them that was the best way to go. i chose only 1 example--huck finn--and went in depth with that. i think u might be better off than i am, but it probably doesn't matter too much (i hope).

By Geoguy (Geoguy) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:32 pm: Edit

Thanks, Dotcommie.

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:32 pm: Edit

OK GUYS

it doesnt matter how many examples you used.

here is a check list for good scores

- you stayed on topic
- you wrote well

simple as that

By Raider (Raider) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:07 am: Edit

I wrote about the Iraq war and Jurassic Park.

By Phantom (Phantom) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:12 am: Edit

Energy-i would have to differ with that

On my first SAT II Writing essay, I got a 7 on my essay. I used one example and went in-depth. 2 body paragraphs. Excellent intro and decent conclusion. A clear thesis. However, my second body paragraph was slightly weaker then my first body because I was pressed for time by then.

(BTW, I'm currently in AP English, and I have been in honors English throughout high school. )

After getting the 7, I went around asking friends for tips on writing the essay. Everyone's advice was to use at least 2 examples in order to increase chances for getting above a 10. They have been tutored, they have attended prep courses--I have not. Obviously, 2 examples is not necessary, but it's recommended.

My 2 Cents: I think there's a reason that prep books and tutors encourage students to use 2 or 3 examples. If you know you're not an excellent essay writer, my advice would be to go with at least 2 examples.

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However, for today's essay, I would say that (hopefully) 1 example is fine, because the directions clearly stated "choose an example..." rather than the usual "use one or more examples to support..." More examples should also be fine.

By Astrix (Astrix) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:20 am: Edit

Many people know Henry Thoreau wrote Walden, few know he was also an inventor.

A) Many people know Henry Thoreau wrote Walden; few know he was also an inventor.

B) Many people know Henry Thoreau wrote Walden, few knowing he was also an inventor.

So... I marked A first. But changed that to B on an impulse. Which is correct?

By Tangerine (Tangerine) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:55 am: Edit

I put B for the Thoreau question

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:08 am: Edit

A is correct for Thoreau...B just makes no sense at all.

By C_J (C_J) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:10 am: Edit

I chose A.

By Astrix (Astrix) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:13 am: Edit

:-(

such is life.

By Rm9712438 (Rm9712438) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:03 am: Edit

4 da essay i wrote abt the Iraq war and how wise bush was to take da decision to goto war.

after goin thru the thread, i realised that no 1 else has written anythin similar... is it risky to write abt politics? will it affect my chances of gettin a good score?

By Astrix (Astrix) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:10 am: Edit

Gimme a range for

from

10 on the essay and 7-8 wrong

to

12 on the essay and 5-6 wrong

Thankss

By Elizabeth22 (Elizabeth22) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:50 am: Edit

Did you all use more than one decision on the essay? I thought they were asking us to talk about ONE. I said that a great decision was made when the Democrats decided to run James K. Polk on the ballot over the heads of more experienced candidates. Then I talked about its significance (fulfillment of Manifest Destiny, territory in West and South, lower taxes, independent treasury), and why it's significant now. Think that'll cut it?

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:25 am: Edit

Walden question is A. Choice B does not appropriately connect the subordinate clause to the main clause.

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:34 am: Edit

ya, the problem with the walden thing had to do with the original sentence using a comma when it needed a semicolon, i remember that one

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:29 am: Edit

"after goin thru the thread, i realised that no 1 else has written anythin similar... is it risky to write abt politics? will it affect my chances of gettin a good score? "

I hope not. My intro was partially about how currently we're being lead by bad decisions, and I mentioned the Iraq war and No Child Left Behind and all that as stupid decisions.

By Bfjava (Bfjava) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:41 am: Edit

I chose "ably" too. When I saw it I figured it could be a trick. The whole "it looks wrong but is actually correct thing." So, at first I didn't mark it, but then as I was reading the rest of the sentence I couldn't find any other mistakes. Choice D, I think, had "from" underlined, so I scanned that for a while to determine if that's the wrong preposition. After reading it over and over and replacing from with other preps, I felt "from" was correct. So then I was stuck b/w E and "ably" but didn't think it was E because I felt I had too many no errors. Thus, I put A. Truthfully, I agree with the last guy about "ably" being incorrect. You can't just look up the definition and say it fits in a sentence. ;-) Many words can "fit" in sentences but are considered bad word choice and are incorrect on tests like this. Sooo, I'm pretty sure it's ably. Works for me anyway.

Overall, I thought the writing was actually extremely easy when compared to MathIIC and especially Bio that I took after that, hehe. Definitely glad writing was first or else I'd be semi-depressed taking it as the last test and probably do bad on it. I spent the 1st 20 minutes on the essay, then proceeded to the rest of it. I had 10 min left with the last 10 ?s to go and half of my essay to finish. I thought I was screwed but FORTUNATELY the last 10 were only grammar ?s! hehe so I had 6 minutes or so to finish my essay. My first half of essay is good with perfect grammar and word choice, I think, since I spent lots of time on it, but the 2nd half was written in half the time of the first half. So ehh, I don't know how this will be graded.

My handwriting was really sloppy the entire last half of the essay due to time. Do you think the graders will still be able to read it? ehhh

By Number9 (Number9) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:45 am: Edit

I chose D after debating it. It just didn't sound right when I read it aloud. It really had my confused.

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:01 pm: Edit

I think ably was just fine. It meant she took the picture skillfully.

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:06 pm: Edit

If "ably" and "from" were in the same sentence, then I'm pretty sure "ably" is correct, since "from" was definitely the wrong preposition for its verb, though I can't remember the verb!

Oh well we'll get the results in two weeks, so lets just forget about it!

By Al0 (Al0) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:19 pm: Edit

"exchanging business cards from side-by-side rickshaws" What is wrong with from?

My friend was tutored for the SAT II and he was told that the essay graders motor through these in approximately 50 seconds each. With this time restriction, it seems that a formulaic, 7th grade style essay would be better received (and marked higher) than a nuanced, periodic (i.e. well written) one. Since the graders only have time to look for key phrases, everything should be stated explicity: the intro should be "I believe that a great decision was made when . . "; similarly each body paragraph should begin with "One example of a great decision being made when . . . is", "Another example of a great decision being when . . . is". "A final example of a great decision being made when . . . is." Also, the tutor told my friend to always use three examples -- one from literature, one from history and one from current events. I completed the phrase with "man chose to do what was right over what was easy." My examples were Marcus Brutus from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar (underlined), Roosevelt and Churchill during World War II and the American troops in Iraq (whatever the President's motivations). Does anyone know whether the tutor's advice was valid?

By Al0 (Al0) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:19 pm: Edit

Double Post

By Al0 (Al0) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:19 pm: Edit

Oops . . . I did it again

By Bfjava (Bfjava) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:24 pm: Edit

yea yea yea, that was it!
"exchanging business cards from side-by-side rickshaws"

umm "from" is fine. The only other preposition that may work would be "between," but then again "between" is implied since the rickshaws are side-by-side. at least that's what I thought of yesterday. Now that I read it with a clear mind, I probably would have chosen "between" instead of "from," making D the right answer. I don't know. I really have no idea haha. It could be either ably or from, although right now I'm feeling it's "from." *sighhh* I dunno, I'm sure if I read the full sentence again I could probably justify "ably" being wrong, too. hehe yea who cares, it's over!

haha waaait, if you put "between" there that would imply the rickshaws are trading cards and not the people. I think that's why I decided "from" was correct yesterday, thus marking "ably" as the wrong answer. ehhh anyone agree/disagree?

By Lolboyer (Lolboyer) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:30 pm: Edit

ably is definitely correct.. but i saw no problem with "from"
so i marked no change

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:49 pm: Edit

I don't think there was a problem with it. I couldn't think of anything that could replace "from" and make more sense. "Exchanging" just sounds strange when paired with from, but it's just an adverb, right? So it'd be like saying "Shouting from the dock" which you can all agree is just fine. Ably sounds fine to me too because it just means skilled or able. I think it was a No Error.

By Amybronte (Amybronte) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:33 pm: Edit

Okay, so all this talk about accidentally skipping the last ten MC is scaring me, can someone give me an example question from the last ten to see if I remember doing it?

By Phantom (Phantom) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:36 pm: Edit

The last 10 were also finding sentence errors.

One of them had to do with the transcribing of the legends of the mountain people. I still have no idea what the answer was. I put E.

By Succor101 (Succor101) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:37 pm: Edit

There was one about a town "deserted from tourists" that puzzled me in the last 10...

I think there was also one about the mountain people and someone transcribing their words/stories??? I can remember

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:41 pm: Edit

I said E for the mountain people one. It looked fine to me. I said "deserted from tourists" because it felt like it should have said "deserted by tourists"

By Amybronte (Amybronte) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:50 pm: Edit

woo-hoo, I did do that, and deserted from tourists is definetely the wrong one.

By Al0 (Al0) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:57 pm: Edit

exchanging is a participle not an adverb. The full sentence was something to the effect of:
"the photographer ably captured the convergence of modern and traditional Vietnam in her picture of two businessmen exhanging business cards from side-by-side rickshaws." "Ably" is used correctly as an adverb modifying captured, there is absolutely nothing wrong with its usage. "From" is also perfectly acceptable, a prepositional phrase indicating source: "the communist, threatening businessmen from his hippy-van, was arrested."

By Harekrishna (Harekrishna) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:33 pm: Edit

No you're wrong, it's between, the two business men are in different rickshaws , thats like saying they were exchanging business cards from this single entity, "side by side rickshaws" --it just doesnt make sense if you read it through--it's definitely between. You can only say from if it's clear FROM one thing to another, but here it's between cuz they're NOT IN THE SAME RICKSHAW.

it's always exchanged between never exchanged from, unless you say "I got my money exchanged from the bank." But if it's discussing two different entities having their posessions flopped, it's always between.

Bam.

By Harekrishna (Harekrishna) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:39 pm: Edit

Oh yah and for the cookbook one it's E, it just sounds funny cuz cookbook is repeated, he's comparing his old ones to his new ones, theres no ambiguity.

It starts

Like his earlier cookbooks, Chef's new cookbook blah blah blah.

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:40 pm: Edit

Harekrishna, are you sure?!?!!?!?!

because I put from

wow!!!!!!!!!

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:40 pm: Edit

no, it's wrong.

It's A.

Because it' goes...

Like his earlier cookbooks, in Chef's new cookbook...

The word "in" is missing in the first comparison. It sounds like his comparing the content of his new cookbook, to an entire book. It is not a valid comparison.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:43 pm: Edit

Harekrishna, your explanation doesn't make any sense.

How can it be a single entity when the word "rickshaws" is in plural. If you change it to between, then it would seem as though the businessmen were exchanging cards with the rickshaws. Which doesn't make any sense...

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:53 pm: Edit

Everybody, predict what scores you think you'll get.

I'm guessing 760.

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:56 pm: Edit

I had a pretty good essay, and I think I may have missed a multiple choice or two. I'd say 780 but I probably did worse than I think I did, so 720.

By Lolboyer (Lolboyer) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:16 pm: Edit

i'd say 780 - 800

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:21 pm: Edit

hmm, it depends a lot on my essay, but i think it'll be something like:

650 - 750

I'm predicting a 700.

By Worthfightingfo (Worthfightingfo) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:22 pm: Edit

OH I GET THE COOKBOOK ONE. ahh I should have caught that - I'm sad. Now that I know I got two wrong for sure...

I'd say 710. If "smudgemarks" and such don't affect scores. wouldn't it be a shame if it actually did and you end up getting a hundred less...that would make me curious about my SAT I marks...

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:31 pm: Edit

Davidrune: I even noticed that too but I didn't think they'd have it be like "in his this, in his that" because it sounded repetitive. I should have gone with my gut because I put E.

By Cooldude (Cooldude) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:36 pm: Edit

"no, it's wrong.

It's A.

Because it' goes...

Like his earlier cookbooks, in Chef's new cookbook...

The word "in" is missing in the first comparison. It sounds like his comparing the content of his new cookbook, to an entire book. It is not a valid comparison."

I put A too, but for a different reason, i unsure of my reaoning so dont bash me.
I think Barron's says you cant use the pronoun his for possesive nouns or something like that.

I repeat I'm unsure, but anyways i put A so i hope its correct

By Number9 (Number9) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:37 pm: Edit

Harekrishna, I had the exact same reasoning for choosing 'from' on that one.

I think I put A for the cookbook one. That repetition was nasty.

By Al0 (Al0) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:41 pm: Edit

The philanthropists are distributing food from their limousines.
The comic-book nerds are trading action figures from their side-by-side mock Klingon warships.
This is going to be harsh (an is probably an indictment of me as much as you): you are TEH n00b. Do you ever read? or speak? or write? The business cards are being exchanged between the two businessmen, but they are being exchanged from the side-by-side rickshaws! Do you have any cognitive abilities to form logical thoughts? And the problem with the cookbook question was (as stated above) a faulty comparison not repetition. : PWNED!

By Al0 (Al0) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:42 pm: Edit

The philanthropists are distributing food from their limousines.
The comic-book nerds are trading action figures from their side-by-side mock Klingon warships.
This is going to be harsh (an is probably an indictment of me as much as you): you are TEH n00b. Do you ever read? or speak? or write? The business cards are being exchanged between the two businessmen, but they are being exchanged from the side-by-side rickshaws! Do you have any cognitive abilities to form logical thoughts? [ends rant] And the problem with the cookbook question was (as stated above) a faulty comparison not repetition. [resumes HaXor rant]: PWNED! [end post/rant]

By Student001 (Student001) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:45 pm: Edit

umm did anybody get the prompt on opinion?>

By Harekrishna (Harekrishna) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:59 pm: Edit

Alo, stupid moron--entities can have plural constituents, the two rickshaws AS A WHOLE are not exchanching the cards, the BUSINESS MEN ARE, so it has to be BETWEEN.

You are the moron, doen'st matter though--i'll have the 800 and you won't so suck my dick.

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:09 pm: Edit

Anyone remember the passage about relieving tensions? I chose "it" for that one because tensions was plural. I also marked E for a passage talking about people taking pills despite tests not yielding good results or something.

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:18 pm: Edit

I think you got them right Legend. 1st one for sure.

It's always hard to be sure if a no error answer is correct or not

By Samwise (Samwise) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:23 pm: Edit

"umm did anybody get the prompt on opinion?>"

Yeah I did. Strange that almost no one else here did though.

By Jenesaispas (Jenesaispas) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:25 pm: Edit

The one about conformity? I got that one

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Harekrishna- I'm sorry...

But it's "no error". Like I said b4, you can't use the word between. The sentence went something like this:

The photographer captured rural and urban ideals, by showing the two business men exchanging business cards FROM side by side rickshaws.

I'm not sure if that sentence is completely accurate, but I know the last phrase is. Anyways, if we go by what you're saying then the sentence would read like this:

The photographer captured rural and urban ideals, by showing the two business men exchanging business cards BETWEEN side by side rickshaws.

Read both sentences out loud, and you will see quite clearly that one of them is wrong. And it's the sentence that contains between.

The tensions question was "it". Because, it should be "they". Tensions is plural.

I'm beginning to feel like I got perfect. LOL.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:46 pm: Edit

Number9: You got the right answer. But it was not repetition, it was faulty comparison.

By Al0 (Al0) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:53 pm: Edit

Supreme Point: Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.

Point A: It is possible to miss a question (several actually) and still receive an 800).

Query A: Do you ever make statements germane to a conversation in which you are involved? (How are your arguments at all logically related in your last post).

Now, let's work through this:
Agree/Disagree : Business cards are being exchanged between the two businessmen.
Question: Whence are the business cards being exchanged? FROM the rickshaws, perhaps? So,
Agree/Disagree : Business cards are being exchanged from the two rickshaws.
Synthesizing:
Business cards are being exchanged BETWEEN the two businessmen FROM the side-by-side rickshaws. Agree or Disagree?
Writing the above sentence in active voice:
Two businessmen exchanged business cards (between themselves) from side-by-side rickshaws. And finally writing it as a noun phrase in context:
two businessmen exchanging business cards from side-by-side rickshaws.

This seems to be a diction misunderstanding, since we are both making the same argument (that the businessmen and not the rickshaws are exchanging the business cards). The only difference seems to be that you think that between correctly expresses this relationship and I think that from does. Perhaps we can come to some reasoned consensus as opposed to incoherent, abusive and unproductive counters.

By Number9 (Number9) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:55 pm: Edit

I never said it was repetition that was the problem, I stated it was nasty -- it made reading the entire sentence incredibly confusing to me.

I just DID put it down for whatever reason I had.

Just clarifying; not pwned.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:57 pm: Edit

Number9: Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Al0, your point might be valid... but that does not give you the right to insult mentally challenged individuals.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:58 pm: Edit

I LOVE BEING PC!!!!!!!

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:04 pm: Edit

What about the very last question about scores of racers or something? I put like D or something, something about the tense of the word they used.

By Piman3141 (Piman3141) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:15 pm: Edit

how the hell do you remember questions 36+ hours after the test? You people need to forget about it. Having more or less self-confidence will not change your score. Only infiltrating the collegeboard citadel can do that! Duh...

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:40 pm: Edit

It's just memorable if you were concentrating hard enough. Right after the test, questions that you were stuck on will be very vivid.

By Jamminjb5 (Jamminjb5) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:32 pm: Edit

I barely remember a question at the end. I said that the word "poses" was wrong and it should have been pose. Or maybe it was pose and I thought that it should have been poses. Did anyone else pick that answer?

By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:39 pm: Edit

Yes Jamminjb, I remember that one too.

By Dotcommie (Dotcommie) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:18 pm: Edit

Who said the businessmen were IN the rickshaws? They could have been standing in between two rickshaws...thus, between would be right...
EH? EH? EH?!

sheeit, I have NO idea what I even put for that one. I think I put "from" as the correct form.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:27 pm: Edit

But then it wouldn't make sense with the whole concept that the photographer was going for. The photographer wanted to show how modern and ancient were interacting.

Therefore business cards (modern) being exchanged from rickshaws (ancient) makes sense.

Damn, this argument is stupid.

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:29 pm: Edit

I think from is ok even though I marked it wrong.

First of all, I didn't even know what a rickshaw was. It is a two-wheeled thing that carries one passenger.

Therefore it implies that the businessmen were in rickshaws of their own. But exchaning from just means that they were in the rickshaws while exchanging so it seems to have no error.

As much as I would like from to be wrong, being biased isn't going to help my results :-/

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:58 pm: Edit

Sorry... the real sentence is closer to this:

the photographer ably captured the convergence of modern and traditional Vietnam in her picture of two businessmen exhanging business cards from side-by-side rickshaws."

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:33 am: Edit

LOL i don't remember what i put! It could be ably, from, or E!!!


One question though, is this phrase OK?

I have beautifully painted that picture

OR should it be:

I have painted that picture beautifully?

By Energy1 (Energy1) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:39 am: Edit

both are fine. although I prefer the 2nd one.

By Al0 (Al0) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:31 am: Edit

Paul-
Just on general impressions, I would only use "have painted" opposed to "painted" with an indefinite article: I have beautifully painted a picture/I painted that picture beautifully. Also, what do you mean by beautifully? Since this is an adverb modifying painted/have painted, it implies that the act of painting was beautiful. One could argue that it is a transferred epithet, but I think it is clearer as an adjective modifying picture: I have painted a beautiful picture/ I painted that beautiful picture.

By Buttcrack (Buttcrack) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:42 am: Edit

in my essay i talked about my mom deciding to have children...lol. I said it was a great decision because it would change her life.

By Astrix (Astrix) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:19 am: Edit

Energy, allow an Indian the pleasure of introducing you to a Rickshaw. Out here, we have 'em velotaxis

I marked no error for the rickshaw q

And

Hmm

The last 10 sentence error q's I did superfast so if you remember anything at all from those, post!! I remember the last question was something about the most tortuous track in Alaska... some tense error there?

The second improving paras I did in a hurry too.. I remember marking "into the belly of the monster". You remember any q from that?

The other improving paras one... what did 'that' have to be replaced with?

I got stupid Walden wrong.... I've learnt my lesson. Don't give in to sudden impulses.

Chef Luis? That was a no error wasn't it... I don't really remember...

By Astrix (Astrix) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:34 am: Edit

I really have no idea about these writing curves so please tell me how much I can get with a 10-12 on the essay and 6-7 wrong on MC.

By Harekrishna (Harekrishna) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:16 pm: Edit

Alo, yes the wya you wrote out the sentence you are correct, but because it is OF EXCHANGING, you need to use between. David Rune, good job on shooting your own foot by recalling the accurate sentence--from works better for the inaccurately transcribed ones but not on the accurate ones.

DavidRune, you're not bright, you're just an obvious-detail picker, take a real english class instead of thinking you're brilliant, I'd like to see you at the likes of this academy.

Ciao.

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit

Mmmm, 12 on the essay is 41.16 when u multiply by 3.43 and then u add that to your subscore for MC and according to the REAL SAT II book, 92+ is an 800, so u'd need at least 50.34 on your MC subscore and the closest you can come to that is...missing 7 questions b/c 53-1.75 is 51.25, but if u missed 8 u'd get a score of 50...So 12 on the essay and 7 wrong is an 800. Remember though, that's assuming our scale will be the same as the scale for the test from the REAL SAT II book, which won't happen, but I'm sure it will be close. I'd say missing five or less m.c. and a 12 on your essay would be an 800 for all test dates.

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit

And by the way, do we get a sheet similar to the one we received for SAT I's? I hope so, so we can figure out the cook and rickshaw ?'s once and for all.

By Pkit (Pkit) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:37 pm: Edit

Harekrishna, actually it was "from," not "of."

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:05 pm: Edit

Harekrishna... are you retarded?

Seriously..


the photographer ably captured the convergence of modern and traditional Vietnam in her picture of two businessmen exhanging business cards BETWEEN side-by-side rickshaws.

You actually think that makes sense!!!
Being able to spot errors in sentences doesn't make me brilliant. But your ability to make wrong decisions and then defend them obstinately makes you anything but brilliant.

By Btbvector (Btbvector) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:11 pm: Edit

Harekrishna, you can't beat UCC education. I am serious. :-)

I believe that for the richshaw question the answer was "no error". "Ably", although some people were arguing that it should have been "aptly", they mean same thing, nearly. "From" has no problem too - "between" just does not make any sense. Because "Exchange Cards" is an adjective phrase refering to "businessmen", "from" has to refer to "businessmen", not "to exchange". Therefore, I do not see any problem with that.

By Btbvector (Btbvector) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:15 pm: Edit

I am quite worried about the essay section to be honest - I think I made it too short and incoherent. Well, anything over 700 is OK for me!

By Newt (Newt) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:33 pm: Edit

How hard is it to get a 12 on the essay section? If you wrote an interesting essay that answered the question and was grammitcally perfect, would it probably get a 12 or is that reserved for the best of the best of the best?

By Trigulater127 (Trigulater127) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:33 pm: Edit

Crap crap crap, I was just doing my Foundation Fellows essay and the thing has a quote from gHandi, but when i was looking on the web prior to the test, i saw it spelled gandHi, so i spelled it with the H after the d throughout my whole essay. I'm guessing the foundation fellows essay has the correct spelling. Crap, do u think that will affect my grade on the essay????

By Samwise (Samwise) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 04:42 pm: Edit

Both spellings are accepted, actually.

By Iluvme (Iluvme) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 04:56 pm: Edit

ok well i ges my essay is totally diff from everyone else's.. i used only one example, and it was from my own life ( great decision was made when my mom said i could play volleyball ).. i think its really very well written albeit not as orthodox as most of the other essays are...not the typical blueprint intro paralleling 3 body paragraphs with a standerd conclusion....i mean i ges i could hav done that but....well i thought it would be boring lol... will this help/hurt me??

By Gregbry3 (Gregbry3) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:44 pm: Edit

What exactly is on the writing test. Im taking it in december so im curious?

By Astrix (Astrix) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:56 pm: Edit

Ah. Thanks triag. Tho 12 won't happen I guess. Prolly more like 10

By Dannyo1987 (Dannyo1987) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 06:24 pm: Edit

Astrix, when I took the writing in june, i got a 10 on the essay and missed 7 multiple choice questions. That put me at a 790 overall score. So if this test is scored the same way, you can miss a lot and still score very high.

By Astrix (Astrix) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 06:43 pm: Edit

nice

By Samwise (Samwise) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 07:08 pm: Edit

From what I've heard the June test was crazy hard though. Unfortunately, I don't think we should expect the same curve.

By Newt (Newt) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 07:08 pm: Edit

Dannyo, that is a much higher curve than I have seen before. On the sparknotes scoring scale, your score would have been a 740.


Does anyone have an accurate scoring scale? I think the one sparknotes uses is before they recentered it or something.