| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:06 pm: Edit |
Tomorrow's the day, folks. In case you didn't know that. What are you guys doing today? Chilling? Studying? Vocab? I'm doing a combo.
My goal is 1530+. If I don't get that, I will consider it a loss. If math is 800 (which doesn't usually seem to happen for me), it will be a smooth ride.
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:16 pm: Edit |
hey aim, I remember when we were both taking it for the first time 
guess this will be the last for both of us. i'm just watching the debate and chilling. :P
| By Andrew1218 (Andrew1218) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:47 pm: Edit |
im reading for AP english 
.. portrait of the artist as a young man
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 10:58 pm: Edit |
This is it for me. I just got a haircut. I'm going into war, baby.
| By Neelesh (Neelesh) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 11:19 pm: Edit |
I am going in my goatee and side burns to take out the test! 1400 baby here i come!!!
im loookin over the vocab right now of the past 3 tests..i dunno why..
and im lookin over the vocab for the test my sister took in 2000.. maybe they will use that one!
the presidential debate was so good! i watched all of it.
last SAT for me!
good luck!
buenos suertes
however you say that in french
however you say that in german!
however you say that in the rest of the languages
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:55 pm: Edit |
Aha! This thread works. I can't post in the other one.
I got 8pi as well. It's all in the wording (which I don't remember).
The italic thing was humorous? But it didn't actually poke fun at the formal language, it poked fun at slang. I thought it was an exaggeration.
On second thought, I don't even want to talk about it.
Math experimental was the one with the question about a girl breaking her promise (If it rains then she'll go home early), right? Did it also have a coordinate problem with a rectangle as the last problem?
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:00 pm: Edit |
I think it poked fun at the language because she was saying that she isn't allowed to say aint because it "aint in the dictionary" which is saying that people frown upon saying aint because it's not proper english.
| By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:00 pm: Edit |
i still think its 15 pi.
and for the one about the 7/10 shaded circle, wasnt the answer 108 degrees, cuz x was the central angle, not one of the other 2 equal ones. btw, was this in the experimental??
also, i got 1/2 for that k/m one, cuz k=-2, and m=-4 (remember, -1/4 > -1/2), so the answer would be -2/-4, or 1/2.
for the one about which point doesnt belong on the same line, was it the point (30, 40)?
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:08 pm: Edit |
So experimental was the rectangle problem?
Second to last grid-in I put 75. WHY? I got 65 at first, and then plugged that in and it gave me 83, and for some reason I thought that it should be 85. I couldn't think straight. Didn't help that I was in a HOT, stuffy room with no ventilation.
| By Thaibinh (Thaibinh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:16 pm: Edit |
was the question 90,90,x,x,y a grid in?
| By Thaibinh (Thaibinh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:17 pm: Edit |
it's 15 pi i think...does the college board throw out quesitons that everyone misses or half of the ppl. miss?
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:22 pm: Edit |
The curve better be INCREDIBLE. This was maybe the hardest test I've taken compared to all the practice ones. That Washington passage was f'ing ridiculous. It's like they just tore a page out of some random book and pasted it on. Where's ETSrep?
| By Seahorsekid (Seahorsekid) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:23 pm: Edit |
yeah, the 90/x/y one was a grid in and the answer was 65
| By Mitsat (Mitsat) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:24 pm: Edit |
Compared to other SAT's you guys have taken, how hard were each parts of this one? (From 1-10)
| By Thaibinh (Thaibinh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:25 pm: Edit |
for the verbal, plutocracy:wealth::meritocracy:Talent
or Bureaucracy:administrators
i think it's the latter b/c it refers to a specialized group of ppl. rulling a gov't.
as for the italics..i think it was humorous, but i'm not sure...could be exaggeration too
On that reading section, was one of the answers rarely attained aesthetic ideal or lang. convention accepted by minority speakers.
| By Seahorsekid (Seahorsekid) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:26 pm: Edit |
I really hope that the math curve is generous... so far i know that i've gotten a QC and a MC incorrect, unless someone else thinks that the one about the line AB forming right triangles is three (i was thinking that it could be the hypotenuse, the opposite side, or the adjacent side). For the QC, i had the right answer but i tried a third scenario and must have made a typo in my calculator that caused me to change the answer from A to D... grr that's gonna bug me for a while
| By Ladybajan (Ladybajan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:38 pm: Edit |
Good thing you all found this thread for me. I thought it was just my computer that wasn't allowing posting.
I want to remember which was the experimental section so can you all tell me what the Chinese girl passage was about and maybe some questions that go along with it. Also, if there was another one, any other passages in that experimental section. And if you remember some of the sentence completions and analogies for it.
Also, no one talked about the analogies burning:ash, dolphin:flipper, and etymology:word, were all those from the experimental section?
| By Thaibinh (Thaibinh) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:42 pm: Edit |
etmology:word was not on the experimental section
| By Leely888 (Leely888) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:43 pm: Edit |
Etymology : Word
was
Genology: People/generations or something like that I think
| By Leely888 (Leely888) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:44 pm: Edit |
Can someone post some questions/answers about the washington passage??
| By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:54 pm: Edit |
can someone comment on these?
and for the one about the 7/10 shaded circle, wasnt the answer 108 degrees, cuz x was the central angle, not one of the other 2 equal ones. btw, was this in the experimental??
also, i got 1/2 for that k/m one, cuz k=-2, and m=-4 (remember, -1/4 > -1/2), so the answer would be -2/-4, or 1/2.
for the one about which point doesnt belong on the same line, was it the point (30, 40)?
| By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:54 pm: Edit |
can someone comment on these?
and for the one about the 7/10 shaded circle, wasnt the answer 108 degrees, cuz x was the central angle, not one of the other 2 equal ones. btw, was this in the experimental??
also, i got 1/2 for that k/m one, cuz k=-2, and m=-4 (remember, -1/4 > -1/2), so the answer would be -2/-4, or 1/2.
for the one about which point doesnt belong on the same line, was it the point (30, 40)?
| By Ledyana (Ledyana) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:58 pm: Edit |
is art and the mirror the experimental one? and also what is the answer for the 3 boys and 3 girls.. ? the other thread says that the answer is 1/5 but there are two ways for both girls to win..
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:04 pm: Edit |
it's 1/5
| By Agmwne (Agmwne) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:08 pm: Edit |
Is it customary for the students to have different tests during the SAT I on test day? My son said he started the test with math, but another student said his first section was verbal.
Thanks,
Andrea
| By Ladybajan (Ladybajan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:11 pm: Edit |
Yes, it prevents cheating.
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:14 pm: Edit |
i got 15pi and im sticking to it. its gotta be the answer. but you guys, youre all right, this test was outrageously difficult compared to the practice tests
| By Blane1086 (Blane1086) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:25 pm: Edit |
Hey Scion I got (30,40) too. I think it was like for every 5 in the x direction you go up 10 in the y, starting with (5,10). I think.
| By Conngirl21 (Conngirl21) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:27 pm: Edit |
Was the 25-question math section with 15pi experimental?
| By Tlaktan (Tlaktan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:28 pm: Edit |
It's 1/5.
I don't know much about math, but the odds are 3/6 and then 2/5, respectively.. Multiply the two and you get 1/5..
| By Tlaktan (Tlaktan) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:29 pm: Edit |
The answer would be (30,70)
0,10 (initial point)
5,xx? (forgot)
10,30 (1:3)
20,40 (1:2)
30,70 (1:2.33)
| By Anthem429 (Anthem429) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:46 pm: Edit |
0,10
5,20
10,30
20,40
30,70
the equation of the line is y = 2x + 10
which means that the correct answer is (20,40)
| By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:47 pm: Edit |
but tlaktan, i dont think thats the way u do it-
i think u have to find the slope btwn each pair of 2 points, or do it the way blane1086 did. when i did it during the test, i found the slope to be 2 between 2 points, except for (30, 40)
ok good blane1086!!!
| By Scion (Scion) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:50 pm: Edit |
jay-uh, thanks anthem429
just disregard my last post-i got all the points mixed up, but i do remember getting (20, 40) now
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:53 pm: Edit |
My curve prediction:
Verbal: 800,800,800,800,780,770,760,750,730,720,710,
700
Math: 800,800,780,770,750,720,700
Who agrees? Please make modifications, any prediction will help!
| By Waterlily (Waterlily) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:00 pm: Edit |
what was the math experimental section? i had it in following order
Verbal
Math
Math
Verbal
Math
Verbal
Math
| By Dr_Juris (Dr_Juris) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:16 pm: Edit |
Adidasty...that would be a NICE curve! I wish I could agree, but I really think the math curve will be tougher...perhaps 800, 780, 770, etc., and that the verbal curve will be tougher; i.e., 800, 800, 800, 780, etc.
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:19 pm: Edit |
yeah yours sounds more correct unfortunately......lol
| By Vtran31 (Vtran31) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:58 pm: Edit |
and for the one about the 7/10 shaded circle, wasnt the answer 108 degrees, cuz x was the central angle, not one of the other 2 equal ones. btw, was this in the experimental??
I am pretty sure it was 36. the central angle was 108, but x was not the central angle. it was one of the other angles. the triangle was isosceles (the 2 sides with same lenth were the radii). so you do:
108 + 2x = 180
2x = 72
x= 36
| By Scion (Scion) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:00 am: Edit |
ooohhh was x really the noncentral angle??? ah shiet, i thought it was the central one...
or wait, maybe i DID put 36 (or maybe im just hoping) :P
| By Dr_Juris (Dr_Juris) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:02 am: Edit |
Phew! You guys made me so nervous I was about to throw up. So the x was NOT the central angle...so the answer WAS 36? Right?
| By Etsrep78328 (Etsrep78328) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:09 am: Edit |
So how did you enjoy the passage about Washington Woodward?
| By Dr_Juris (Dr_Juris) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:18 am: Edit |
Wasn't THAT bad. Anyway, does anyone know the answer to that question with x, and the triangle, and the 3/10 area...I'm about to check myself into an asylum.
| By Punkrawkftblman (Punkrawkftblman) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:24 am: Edit |
sry for jacking this post, but i got a SERIOUS problem. ok, the part at the end where you sign your name and re-write the statement. it says "do not print", but i printed. i dnno wtf i was thinking, it hit me when i turned the test in and i was too lazy to fix it. do they cancel my scores thinking its not me or wt? cause i think i did really good and that would SUCK if they do that.
| By C0nfusion (C0nfusion) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:29 am: Edit |
I saw a number of people get their test taken away for going back in the test, and it made me curious. When their scores get sent to colleges do the colleges see that it was cancelled because of misconduct or does it just appear that they never took the test? what if one cancels a test, does it show up on the score report? I cant see anyone getting accepted anywhere if they write that they cheated/had misconduct on the sat
| By Xuan (Xuan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:32 am: Edit |
Don't worry. It doesn't matter if you've printed the statement. I printed last time and I was okay.
| By Scion (Scion) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:53 am: Edit |
haha dr juris-im in the same position
im vacillating btwn whether or not i did put 36 or 108-knowing my crappy sat luck, i probably put 108 haha
so did u get 8 pi or 15 pi for that circle within a circle within a circle one??
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:39 am: Edit |
ETS, what the hell were you guys smoking when you put that passage on? The curve better be damn good. The passage was so convuluted and vague.
The 15pi/8pi thing was in the first math section, right? If so, I trust my 8pi answer. That was the only part of the test that I was thinking clearly. I was literally sweating for the rest of the test, it was so damn hot. The wording was vague, and I double checked it, but the way I read it was that you don't count the area of the big and small circles. So you had to subtract to find the area of the individual regions. It makes sense that the answer would be a little trickier to get to because it was near the end of the section.
| By Lazieeryceboi (Lazieeryceboi) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:07 am: Edit |
15pi/8pi thing waz part of section 3... the experimental section
| By Yujin (Yujin) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:09 am: Edit |
No, I'm pretty sure the 15pi/8pi wasn't in the experimental.
If it were, we wouldn't have this much debate over it.
| By Scion (Scion) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:03 am: Edit |
i still think its 15
even if u did all the subtraction the long way, u would still end up w/ 16-9=7, and that plus 9-1=8, which equals 15
i still dont know how u get 8-im not tryin to say im right or anything, but i dont even know how to get 8
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:04 am: Edit |
i had the 15 pi questions in the last section with only 1- questiosn so it CAN NOT be exprimental. i had 2 math 25 question sections . for those of you that only had 3 math sections can you tell me if you had a #25 questions that was x^2-y^2=71?? i'm trying to figure out if that was an exprimental sections or not. thanks
| By Doerame (Doerame) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:30 am: Edit |
the answer's definitely 8pi... the question asked for the area within the 16pi circle (that means NOT including this circle's area) and outside the 1pi circle. So it comes down to 9pi - 1pi, 9pi being the second circle and 1pi being the inside circle... so it's 8pi
| By Musicbuster007 (Musicbuster007) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:39 am: Edit |
Very weird too, I can't post in the really long SAT discussion.. o well
Sections I had (my test started with verbal)
Math section with y^2 = 2^4X being the last question
QC and Student Response and last 15 min sec
Verbal:
One section with "slow:velocity"
Another section with "skillet:chef"
Another section with "fixation:preoccupation"- this section had the chinese emigrant reading passage
I believe that the verbal section with "fixation:preoccupation", "testimonial:complimentary" and chinese emigrant is EXPERIMENTAL. *Can someone confirm this for me please? Also, do everyone end up having the same 6 core sections, with different exp. sections?
I THINK the passage with BAS Antartica Research is NOT experimental and neither is the ripening fruit/the cooking passage nor the Spanglish/grammer passage. At least I hope and think,.
I didn't have a section about X^2 Y^2 as the last question.
I didn;'t have a section with passage about the word "cool"
I didn't get a pic of a duck and rabbit or smthing
I got 15pi
I got A for the S(S+1)...
I got meritocracy:talent
I got A for last QC with weird symbols
I got 65 for X,X,Y...
I got store:department
I got D, (20,40) or smthing for which doesn't fit
from the same group for BAS research group
I got ethos= member of the same club
Flameball - ""Squeak: I put down something along the lines of "the refusal to expand english to include new words? " something like that""
-I put smthing like that unless there was another choice that said reluctance to incorporate new words... but that sounds like wut you put
Netmet - "a couple of other clarifications
-for aint, I put it was a humurous look at something, can we clarify that that's correct?
- I also put "popular usage"
-And for the question about "what is good english?" did you guys put what "the conventions of language that a minority follows" or something like that? "
- same here for all of em
| By Seahorsekid (Seahorsekid) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:46 am: Edit |
do you remember a question about a line segment AB forming right triangles?
| By C0nfusion (C0nfusion) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:49 am: Edit |
Yeah seahorse, the answer was more than 4.
| By Sonar (Sonar) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:52 am: Edit |
Seahorsekid: that was "more than 3" because if you have just one side, you can make as many right triangles as you want.
| By Seahorsekid (Seahorsekid) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:59 am: Edit |
yeah, i put just three because i was thinking that it could be the hypotenuse, the opposite side, and the adjacent side... unfortunately i didn't think of numbers
| By Benzo415 (Benzo415) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:09 am: Edit |
i intepreted the circle question to be the area excluding the largest AND smallest circles, thus i put 8pi.
The answer to the x,x,y,90,90 question was 75, not 65 sorry. The arithmetic mean was 83, which means the total of all 5 numbers was 415. the median number was 85, thus y=85. 415-90-90-85= 150, which equals 2x. 150/2-75, thus x=75.
The 7/10 of the circle answer was definitely 36.
(20,40) was the wrong point. I graphed y=2x + 10, that fit for all other choices except this point.
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:14 am: Edit |
no Benzo it was 65 because 65+90+90+85+85 would still mean that the avarge was 83 and the median still 85.but i got it wrong too i bubbled in 66, grrrrrrr reallllly pissed right now.
| By Joel_Set (Joel_Set) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:25 am: Edit |
could anyone compile a list of all the analogies?
| By Joel_Set (Joel_Set) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:27 am: Edit |
could anyone compile a list of all the analogies?
| By Lazieeryceboi (Lazieeryceboi) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:28 am: Edit |
Wait.. are u guys sure that the 15/8 Pi thing was not an experimental question? (btw, i got 8Pi and everyone I knew got 15 Pi ~_~) I'm pretty sure it was an experimental. It would explain the controversy.
| By Adjlad (Adjlad) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:31 am: Edit |
Is it possible that ETS will get rid of that circle problem because of all the confusion?
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:32 am: Edit |
well i had that question in the 10 question section which was 15 mintues and apparently they would never make a 15 minute section exprimental but it is also the one of the last times collge board will be giving the old SAT and my PR SAT tutor said they might pull something like this before march. like last november when they had a section where they had several short passages and formatted liek the new SATs and made it count when everyone thought it was exprimental?
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:40 am: Edit |
A question just popped into my head.
Do you guys remember the question from the Grammar passage section:
- Something along the lines of:
"she refers to George Eliot and Jane Austen because...."
-That question was so freakin' confusing for me. At first I put something like, "they are most noted for their antiquity blah blah...". Then I re-read the passage for context, and noticed that she pretty much was saying/believing/talking/writing in a way that kinda expects who ever reads that passage would also have read those books...so I put down A) the writer deems Eliot and Austen as necessary reading (or something like that).I think I got that one wrong. What did everyone else get?
| By Hobbes344 (Hobbes344) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:50 am: Edit |
Critical Reading:
For the Vegetable Question: The plants were growing at an imperceptible rate.
I think "Function" meant consequence or something
"All in the same club" was one of the answers
Analogies
Plutocracy:Wealth::Meritocracy:Talent
Skillet:cook :: hammer:carpenter
sanguine:optimism :: tenacious:persistence
ambidextrous: hands :: bilingual:language
singer:choir :: company: actors
dramatists:play::autobiographer:memoir
torch:light :: tent:shelter
ward:hospital :: store :department
mar: appearance
buoyancy:sink
SC
inadvertently, accident
vituperative
hazardous, benign
copious, dispelling
belied, and something else (speed of light question)
impetus, (for the question of countries signing a treaty, but the major "impetus" was something something)
Math
Line segment AB was NOT in he experimental section
the answer was more than 4
15pi, I have yet to see a logical explanation for 8pi
65, for the question with 90, 90, x,x, y and median is 85 and average is 83
n = a^2bc, Answer is 9, because you cannot include 1 as a divisor.
which of points listed does not fit: ANSWER D. I think, this is what I got and Im pretty sure its right. I just plotted all the points on my calculator and I think (20,40) was not collinear
s(1+s)=s^2+s ANSWER: A. S was a side of the rectangle as so was s+1. The Square inside the rectangle was S^2 and the little rectangle to the right's area became S, because the other side was one.
For the Pizza one, it was 27
58 for the number of students who did not take the test.
I. a + b
II. b - a
III. (a + b)/2
It was I and III
THESE ARE NETMET'S COMPILATIONS OF ANSWERS, NOT MINE.
VERBAL CONFIRMED:
Analogies:
-frigid: cold
-cool:
-company: actors
2) torch:light-tent:shelter
13) dramatist:play-autobigorapher: memoir
14) sanguine:optimism-tenacious:persistence
15) plutocracy:wealth-meritocracy:talent
-fulfilled: revered
-cool: temp
-store department
-mar: appearance
-bilingual: language
- CHISEL:SCULPTURE
Sentence Completions:
1) inadvertantly, accident
2) hazardous, benign
7) divisive
10. vituperative
-fortitude (grandparents)
-impetus
-copious
-belying, exceed
Reading Comprehension:
Ripening Fruit:
-Creation and Destruction = ambiguity
-adding insight to ordinary objects
-agents = propogation of own kind
Spanglish:
-family encouraged variter of language/diverse use (something to that effect)
-Squeak = resistance to new ways of speaking, or something
-aint = humorous
-image = cpnception
Antarctica:
-ethos = Òfrom the same groupÓ
-both men and women should have access
-pragmatic
-tearinbg of rainbow: negative asp. Of sci.
Washington:
1. I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms
| By Hobbes344 (Hobbes344) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:51 am: Edit |
Flameball, I put antiquity as the answer, but I wasnt too sure about that question either
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:59 am: Edit |
Flameball, I put something like "She respected their writing, but not as models everyone should follow"
| By Whtx (Whtx) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:03 pm: Edit |
What is the context of
1. impetus
2. copious, dispelling
Meaning what other choices were there? I remember there was another choice for impetus.
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:07 pm: Edit |
1.the other choices for impetus were a.) stipulation e.) concession, those are all the ones i remember
the context was the two nations and their new trade policy and they hoped that it was an impetus for economic growth... something like that
| By Arsalanyc (Arsalanyc) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:08 pm: Edit |
Guys lissen....i did not read abt some random chinese girl in the critical reading~!~~~~~! wats this? did they give a different test to each state or somethin or wat?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:08 pm: Edit |
n = a^2bc IS NOT 9!!! AND STOP SAYING IT IS!@!!!!!!
315 = 3*3*5*7
FACTORS :
1. 3
2. 5
3. 7
4. 9
5. 15
6. 21
7. 63
8. 35
9. 105
10. 45
ITS 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMMIT, STOP ARGUING MATH QUESIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!! ITS MATH!! THERE ARE NO CONTROVERSY!
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:10 pm: Edit |
what was the question in context with the analogy which had the answer of frigid: cold ?
| By Bigwordsarefun (Bigwordsarefun) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:15 pm: Edit |
With the total area of the circles question, I first chose 15pi, then I switched to 8pi, then I went back to 15pi.
Here was my (perhaps faulty) reasoning... it asked for the area inside the largest circle, right? Rereading that made me switch to 8pi. But it also said "outside of the smallest circle" or something similar to that. That made me think that the area of the smallest circle was thus considered to be *inside* the smallest circle. Along that same line of thought, I figured that the area of the biggest circle would be considered inside the biggest circle.
I dunno, that doesn't seem to be the greatest explanation for that problem. It made sense to me during the test, though. I hope the ETS throws out the question, but I don't know what the likelihood of that would be.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:15 pm: Edit |
Another question that popped into my head.
For the Washington passage:
"Why did the author talk about Woodward's family history".
All I remember is that I put something like:
-to explain/excuse his reclusiveness (all I remember is that the answer had "reclusiveness" in it).
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:19 pm: Edit |
But, going back to my post about "George Eliot and Jane Austen"...let's discuss this, because we have had three different answers for this one...what did everyone get?!?!!?!
A) She deems the material necessary reading for young writers.
B) She implies that they are valued for their novelty and antiquity...(forgot exactly how it was written).
C) She respected their writing, but not as models everyone should follow
D) Forgot it.
| By Hypoxia (Hypoxia) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:21 pm: Edit |
90+90+x+x+y
median = 85
mean = 83
To solve this problem, the first thing you need to know is what the term 'median' means.
The median is the middle of a distribution.
Half of the scores will fall above it, half will fall below it.
The mean, as I'm sure you're aware, is the average.
We are given five numbers. Since two numbers are duplicated, and the other is unique, we know that the median will be the unique number. Why? That's the only way there could be two numbers above the median, and two numbers below. So given that y=85, we can easily solve for x.
(90+90+x+x+85)/5 = 83
265+2x = 415
2x = 150
x=75
Therefore your set is 90,90,85,75,75. This is the only flawless answer. If you believe my reasoning to be erroneous, go ask a local statistics prof, or maybe even a psych prof. Ask someone who knows about statistics, not somebody who knows about math. It may be in the math section, but this was a statistics question.
Having said this, an answer of 65 is a very grey area. I assume that in getting 65 you made one of two mistakes.
The first mistake you could've made is thinking that the order in which the numbers are recorded has any relevance.
If you made this mistake, you would think that x was the median because the set was written 90,90,x,x,y. The third term, x, is in the middle, therefore it must be the median. This logic is flawed. The order they are written down does not matter. The only thing that matters is their value.
The second mistake you could've made is thinking that duplicate values count as one score. An example would be thinking that 90 and 90 are only one number, so if you had 90,90,85,85,65 it would be the same as 90,85,65, and therefore 85 would be the median. This, again, is a case of flawed logic. Each score, duplicate or not, counts as a score. Therefore you have 2 numbers above the median, and only 1 below.
Having said this though, you might just get away with it. Technically, using x=65, 85 isn't a true median by definition. If your set is 90,90,85,85,65, the numbers are not distributed evenly on either side of the median. There are two above the median, and one below. But in the real world, this is often the case. When this happens, they take the closest thing to a true median that they can get. So in the real world, this may be an acceptable answer.
Those of you who entered 65 should hope that the testmakers decided to be lenient in the making of this question. Their goal often times is to confuse though, so I doubt they were.
| By Bigwordsarefun (Bigwordsarefun) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:22 pm: Edit |
For the George Eliot/Jane Austen ?, I chose C) "She respected their writing, but not as models everyone should follow" (for some reason, I'm thinking it was phrased, "young writers should emulate" or something like that.. might be wrong)
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:25 pm: Edit |
But the 65 question specificallly ASKED:
"THE LEAST POSSIBLE VALUE OF..."...so, forget about technicalities, the least VALUE OF is 65.
| By Briansee (Briansee) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:30 pm: Edit |
Did anyone have the testimonial:complimentary analogy on theirs? I had it on my 5th section and I hope it is experimental.
| By Hypoxia (Hypoxia) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:31 pm: Edit |
It's still not a true median. You forget that these people are trying to trick you. 75 is the only perfect answer. Go ask a statistics prof.
| By Thaibinh (Thaibinh) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:33 pm: Edit |
how does company:actors::singer:choir work? Can somebody explain? What other choices were there?
And what about they Buoyancy:Sink? what was it compared to?
| By Hypoxia (Hypoxia) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit |
You know, actually, I'm quite sure that they won't accept 65. The 'least possible value of' part just makes it that much more obvious that the answer they were looking for was 75 but the answer they were hoping to trick people into getting was 65.
| By Xuan (Xuan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:35 pm: Edit |
Flameball63, I also chose C for the George Eliot/Jane Austen question.
| By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:39 pm: Edit |
Hypoxia, stop confusing people please with your flawed reasoning.
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:41 pm: Edit |
hypoxia, according to your definition wouldn't 66 for x also work since that would mean the numbers are 90,90,85,84,66? avagare is still 83, 85 the only median with 2 number greater and 2 numbers smaller?
| By Phi2402 (Phi2402) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:42 pm: Edit |
flameball, I put C also: "she admired her, but she didn't see her as a model of excellence" (same answer as slipstream)
anyone remember the answer:
"she felt she was privileged to be participating?"
He shows his affection "to set the context for his criticism"?
2 faces question: he was "anticipating disaster"?
also, "trouble completing project on time"?
ETYMOLOGY:WORDS
horticulture:plants
or genealogy:family
I put genealogy but I wasn't sure.
buoyancy: sink? What question was this?
Anyone remember what answer choice minute: shrunken was in – I know it is wrong.
| By Runrickyrun24 (Runrickyrun24) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit |
1) What did everyone put for the reason he uses 2 faces on lines 18-22 of the Woodward passage? I think I put something about the fragility of life, but it was a complete guess.
2) What is the buoyancy:sink analogy everyone is referring to? I had an experimental math, and I don't remember that analogy in any of my verbal sections.
3) Hypoxia, I agree with your reasoning except that throughout math classes where statistics is not taught, everyone seems to think that the median is just the middle number in a data set. If this is what ETS thinks as well, then 65 is the right answer. Unfortunately, I was one of the ones who put 75.
| By Jer728 (Jer728) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:48 pm: Edit |
I didn't have the testimonial:complimentary /chinese girl section so that must have been experimental. I put antiquity and quaintness or whatever for the Eliot and Austin answer as well. She goes on to mention that these are very important styles that should be used or something to that extent.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:49 pm: Edit |
How did you guys get C? Here's the context of that quote:
"I am not rejecting those works given to me by birth...the prose of George Eliot, the...stitched together pieces of Jane Austen...but who can resist the livliness, richness of such talk...."
I know I prolly quoted that very wrong from memory, but, I am sure the general sentiment of it is right, where in there can you infer "young writers shouldn't emulate? I put down A, because she complimented the prose style of George Eliot, and the carefully stitched pieces of Jane Austen...in Language terms, that was an "allusion"-the author's reference to certain people/works that she thinks the reader/others should know about...I think I thought too much into this question. Why did you guys choose C? Anyone up for an explaination?
| By Hypoxia (Hypoxia) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:49 pm: Edit |
Vladimir2004, talk to me when you've taken stats, kthx?
Dwerbowy, no, because there must be another duplicate number. (two x's)
Runrickyrun24, that is true. Most math classes are wrong in this area. ETS goes by the statistical (correct) definition of median. I know this to be fact.
Have you guys never seen a past SAT? There is usually a question involving median, and they always go by the stastical definition.
| By Xuan (Xuan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:49 pm: Edit |
Yeah, what was the answer to the question
about "trouble completing project on time"?
Did the answer have the words "Role Model" in it?
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:52 pm: Edit |
i put 65 for the x,x,y question too, but i think 75 wud only be a correct answer if they say the mean has to be 85. if not, i still believe its 65. 65 is the lowest and it didnt say it had to be in some order as long as you had a mean of 83...therefore 75 would not be the lowest number, but 65 would be. you could do it both ways and theyd work out, youd still have a narrowed answer to 75 or 65...65 being its absolute lowest..
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:53 pm: Edit |
What's the 2 face question?
The "shingle the outhouse question" was not "Taking too long to finish it"- I think it was "strength can also be a weakness."
And the "participating a privileage" I think was the BAS question of: "What did the author mean by "being a stranger suddenly in a family and given the entitlement of being called a relative". For that, I put "she did not feel she deserved the entitlement of something..." Ergh. My memory is all mushed up now...the day after...ergh.
| By Phi2402 (Phi2402) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:53 pm: Edit |
It was the one about him working on a shed even though it would be destroyed again in a few years for plumbing...something like he never finished on time. (?)
I remember role model in an answer choice, but I didn't choose it.
Can anyone else comment on this buoyancy answer?
| By Aznsnake2 (Aznsnake2) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:54 pm: Edit |
""Middle value" of a list. The smallest number such that at least half the numbers in the list are no greater than it. If the list has an odd number of entries, the median is the middle entry in the list after sorting the list into increasing order. If the list has an even number of entries, the median is equal to the sum of the two middle (after sorting) numbers divided by two. The median can be estimated from a histogram by finding the smallest number such that the area under the histogram to the left of that number is 50% (cf Mean, Median and Mode Discussion)."
"In statistics, the median is that value that separates the highest half of the sample from the lowest half. More precisely 1/2 of the population will have values less than or equal to the median and 1/2 of the population will have values equal to or greater than the median. To find the median, arrange all the observations from lowest value to highest value and pick the middle one. If there are an even number of observations, take the mean of the two middle values. When we use the median to describe what the observations have in common, there are several choices for a measure of variability, the range, the interquartile range, and the absolute deviation. Since the median is the same as the second quartile, its calculation is illustrated in the article on quartiles.
The median is primarily used for skewed distributions, which it represents more accurately than the arithmetic mean. Consider the set {1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 9}. The median is 2 in this case, as is the mode, and it might be seen as a better indication of central tendency than the arithmetic mean of 3.166...."
www.google.com
| By Xuan (Xuan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:56 pm: Edit |
Hypoxia, so what would be the median of a 1, 1, 2, 2, 2 set? there's no possible way that the median is lower than two of the numbers but higher than two other ones.
Median, according to my old stat text book, is simply defined as the middle number in an odd-numbered set or the average of the middle numbers in an EVEN-numbered set. I think you are reading too much into the question. The answer is 65!
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:58 pm: Edit |
i agree with xuan. i think its 65
| By Phi2402 (Phi2402) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:01 pm: Edit |
How many do you think you can miss in verbal and receive a 700? 10-12 Qs?
How about a 670?
| By Mthunder (Mthunder) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit |
Hypoxia, the definition of median is simply the middle number in a set of numbers when arranged from least to greatest. It does not matter if the median number appears more than once in the set. That is where I think your reasoning is flawed. Therefore, you have x as the median and thus two 85's, allowing for the y value to be much lower than otherwise - 65.
There is not much more to it.
| By Runrickyrun24 (Runrickyrun24) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit |
1) The 2-face one was the bearded Woodward and his grandfather's face I think.. I just remember it was somewhere between lines 18-22.
2) The Austen piece was for people to accept it as excellent prose, but not the best type of prose.. that was the whole point of the story.. variability of language
3) For the BAS, i also thought that the narrator felt that she was into a family home and given a title she didn't deserve.. something along those lines.
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:08 pm: Edit |
I'd just thought it would be easier to keep things more organized into math and verbal. Anyhow, here are some of the answers OTHER ppl posted and claim to be confirmed.
FROM Hobbes344 (Hobbes344:
Analogies
Plutocracy:Wealth::Meritocracy:Talent
Skillet:cook :: hammer:carpenter
sanguine:optimism :: tenacious:persistence
ambidextrous: hands :: bilingual:language
singer:choir :: company: actors
dramatists:play::autobiographer:memoir
torch:light :: tent:shelter
ward:hospital :: store :department
mar: appearance
buoyancy:sink
SC
inadvertently, accident
vituperative
hazardous, benign
copious, dispelling
belied, and something else (speed of light question)
impetus, (for the question of countries signing a treaty, but the major "impetus" was something something)
For the Vegetable Question: The plants were growing at an imperceptible rate.
I think "Function" meant consequence or something
"All in the same club" was one of the answers
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these are from NETMET
VERBAL CONFIRMED:
Analogies:
-frigid: cold
-cool:
-company: actors
2) torch:light-tent:shelter
13) dramatist:play-autobigorapher: memoir
14) sanguine:optimism-tenacious:persistence
15) plutocracy:wealth-meritocracy:talent
-fulfilled: revered
-cool: temp
-store department
-mar: appearance
-bilingual: language
- CHISEL:SCULPTURE
Sentence Completions:
1) inadvertantly, accident
2) hazardous, benign
7) divisive
10. vituperative
-fortitude (grandparents)
-impetus
-copious
-belying, exceed
Reading Comprehension:
Ripening Fruit:
-Creation and Destruction = ambiguity
-adding insight to ordinary objects
-agents = propogation of own kind
Spanglish:
-family encouraged variter of language/diverse use (something to that effect)
-Squeak = resistance to new ways of speaking, or something
-aint = humorous
-image = cpnception
Antarctica:
-ethos = Òfrom the same groupÓ
-both men and women should have access
-pragmatic
-tearinbg of rainbow: negative asp. Of sci.
Washington:
1. I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms
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here are some of my answers to add.
CR. THE LAST PASSAGE ON WASHINGTON
-The question was something about how washington spends 5weeks working on a project, i said it shows that he is a role model.
-The last question, i remember the answer was E. but i dont recall what the answer was exactly.
- The one about the two faces that the author saw during his childhood, i put something like it contrasts the contentful and painful character. something along those lines.
- For the question on why the author discribed Washinton's childlife, i said it explain his later solitude.
- IF YOU REMEMBER ANY OTHER QS, PLEASE DICUSS, THE WASHINGTON PASSAGE HASN'T REALLY BEEN DISCUSSED MUCH.
OTHER PASSAGES.
- she refers to George Eliot and Jane Austen because... I put "She respected their writing, but not as models everyone should follow"
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I agree with almost all of the answers of Hobbes344,
HOWEVER, for SC, i don't seem the remember the questions for 1. vituperative and 2. hazardous, benign. mind anyone remind me of those two qs?
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i also agree with most of the answers of NETMET. but if you dont mind, please cue me in on some of the qs i seem to forget.
For analogy, the answer is frigid: cold, what was the questions and what are some other answer choices again?
For SC, what was the question for 'fortitude' ?
For CR. loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms, what question was this?
| By Hypoxia (Hypoxia) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:09 pm: Edit |
Sigh, idiots. Go ask a stats prof. Or look at past SATs.
| By Xuan (Xuan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:13 pm: Edit |
Mehere, I agree with all of your answers except for the two faces one (I put something like potential for future decay), and the last one I don't remember.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:16 pm: Edit |
Washington Passage:
-took him 5 week or one year...didn't matter:
Answer: Strength can also be a weakness.
-why mention Woodward's family history - reclusiveness.
-one of the answers was :insight into society or something.
-another answer was "people's perceptions rely not only on personal history".
| By Antique (Antique) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:16 pm: Edit |
Anyone remember the math question that gave a sequence starting with 2 and adding 3? You had to find how many terms were under 100. Was teh answer 33 or 30? I put 33.
Also, what did you get for the etymology: words analogy?
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:17 pm: Edit |
Can somebody PLEASE phrase the two face question? It seems that I have completely forgotten it...PLEASE!
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:18 pm: Edit |
33 for the math question...I ACTUALLY COUNTED THE NUMBERS. So it has to be right.
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:20 pm: Edit |
its something like from line this to line that, what was the purpose of the author's description of the two faces, one was of washington, suscptible to disease and his grandpa always smiling. i dont rem exactly.. but yeah.. i think i put it contrasts something..
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:23 pm: Edit |
wasn't the math section with 33 as the answer exprimental or was that in the same section as the x^2-y^2=71 question?
| By Godot (Godot) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:23 pm: Edit |
Hey, guys. I'm a private SAT tutor. You can ask me any questions to confirm your answers or any other questions on the SAT. (This is NOT a commercial plug -- just trying to be helpful.)
First, though, I do want to ask YOU some questions. Did anyone get Section 1 as an experimental section?? One of my students, who was on pace to score a 1500+, had a hard verbal section as Section 1. I hope that was experimental for him.
Also, has any of you ever used Kaplan or Princeton Review to prep? If so, do you think it helped at all? What is your general opinion of these courses/companies, based on personal experience or observations? For those who have already taken the exam more than once and took one of these courses to prepare, did your OFFICIAL score go up significantly (and I'm not just talking about the diagnostics in the class), say, by more than 70 points?
Thanks!
| By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:24 pm: Edit |
mehere - thanks a lot for compiling that list.
i can't remember the vituperative queston, but that answer was definitely right. the hazardous: benign one was about someone who had a garden, and found that pesticides were hazardous, so she wanted to find a more benign method to make her plants grow.
antique- the answer was 33 - i had no clue how to do it so i listed out all the possibilities and counted..lol it took time but its foolproof
flameball - the question was like the 4th one, first one on the second row..i'm trying to remember it, but it literally made no sense at all. it was something about what the guys purpose was when he was picturing the two faces...i think the two most popular answer choices are he was adding insight to society (thats what i put) and he was predicting a disaster that was about to occur.
does anyone remember the analogy with the answer sink: buoyancy?? i cant remember that one at all.
| By Ginacar (Ginacar) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:24 pm: Edit |
singer:choir::company:actors doesnt make sense, its in the wrong order. A choir is a group of singers but actors isnt a group of companies. I dont remember what I put, but that answer is wrong.
| By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:26 pm: Edit |
it was choir: singers :: company: actors
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit |
princeton review was useful for quantitive comparisons...i used to get most of them wrong, but now i usually get one wrong or less...QC has become the easiest part of all 7 sections :-P
| By Sirhcv (Sirhcv) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:33 pm: Edit |
(100-2)/3 = 32 (and a remainder) that +1 for the 2 in the sequence.
so 33.
All WITHOUT counting :-P
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:33 pm: Edit |
what are some other answer choices for the hazardous and beign question? i recall the question, and the answer should be the one i picked, but i am not 100% sure cuz i did sc and ana very fast so i have time for cr. Do you recall having an answer of galvanize>?
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:34 pm: Edit |
Flameball, I put C "not as models everyone should follow" because her whole point in the essay was to show that those styles were great...for Austen and Eliot. The part you quoted about "who can resist the liveliness, etc." was in reference to her saying "pass the maldito venison" or something - how she used Spanglish. Also, one of the questions for that passage asked what type of grammar people should use and the answer was "whatever doesn't interfere with their creative process" or something like that, which further shows that she wasn't just complimenting them for the heck of it, but as an example of to each his own. I think the only reason she talked about Austen and Eliot was to counteract any of the haughty people who would have just dismissed her as an illiterate person who hasn't been exposed to the 'great authors'.
And that's why I put C
| By Whtx (Whtx) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:35 pm: Edit |
a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil.
Hows that work? I remember putting down something about being able to see clearly.
| By Nilsam (Nilsam) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:36 pm: Edit |
it's right. singers make up a choir...actors make up a company (alt. definition)
also...Hypoxia- u got tricked buddy...it asked for the lowest possible answer...and that answer is 65
| By Nilsam (Nilsam) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:36 pm: Edit |
double
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:37 pm: Edit |
Another question:
BAS Passage:
If true, which of the following facts can the author of passage 2 used to debunk passage 1's argument.
I remember I put: that everything relies of efficiency in exploring Anartica, so, changes can screw up the operation (I am sure it wasn't worded this way...imagine ETS using "Screw", but, something along these lines.) Anybody remember?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:38 pm: Edit |
could we discuss the washington passage more? i have posted some of my answers up there.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:39 pm: Edit |
Well, now I know I got one CR question wrong for sure...ergh...
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:40 pm: Edit |
i think the answer meant something like they are already like a big happy family, adding extra ppl might totally mess the system up cuz they are newbies.
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:40 pm: Edit |
I put that too flameball... I'm pretty sure it's right
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:40 pm: Edit |
Whtx, at first I put a prophet was someone who had visions or something, but then I read the context of prophet in the passage and it went something like this: "He saw evil everywhere like a prophet but, unlike a prophet, he went to the hills, meditated on it, and never came back to denounce the evils he saw" (very rough resemblance to actual passage) So, since it says he was UNLIKE a prophet because he never denounced the evils he saw, I put that a prophet is one who "loudly condemns evil"
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:41 pm: Edit |
hey godot, i have a question, if x^2-y^2=71 how many different possible value can x be if x and y are both positive integers? the chioces were like 1,2,3,4 and somethign else. also i took the PR summer course and i think its worked for me, not neccessariy because of the program but more so that taking a course sort of pushes one to do constantly practice and add in the guilt factor knowing that my parents paid 1200 dollars certainly made me work harder than if i hadn't taken a course. but thats just me , for people that are more focused and driven, they can probably get the same result by just buying the prep book, basicalyl the same thing.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:42 pm: Edit |
what is there to discuss of the Washington passage?
Compiled FULLY ANSWERS:
Washington:
1. I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms
I am adding:
-strength can also be weakness
-insight into society
-reclusiveness
We are missing four questions...anybody remember the remainder 4 questions missing from the Washington passage?
| By Mthunder (Mthunder) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:43 pm: Edit |
"Sigh, idiots."
You just lost your credibility with me there, Hypoxia. Before I was thinking I might be wrong in some part of my reasoning, but, after reading that statement I am assured that a person who cannot articulate his words and stoops to insulting instead of explaining his view cannot have the intelligence to be correct, anyhow.
So thanks, you made it quite easy for me to dispell your opinions.
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit |
For the debunking passage 1 question, I put the fact that other countries with long histories in Antarctica had women at their bases. I don't remember the passages too well, but passage 1 definitely emphasized that women weren't going to Antarctica because all of them were members of the same club and that it's been that way since the beginning of Britain's base.
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:45 pm: Edit |
yeah, do any of you want to discuss the washington passage further while we still remember our answers?
The two face question, what are some of the other choices?
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:45 pm: Edit |
flameball are you talking about the question from the BAS passage when it was like what evidence does the author of passage 2 provide that debunks what passage one says about 'historical continuiety'? i put that he said there are other programs in antartica from other countries that have long employed women. not sure if thats the question you are referring to though
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:46 pm: Edit |
Slipstream99, i remember having your choice as an answer. but are you sure its that question?
| By Conngirl21 (Conngirl21) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:47 pm: Edit |
Was the math section that ended with x^2-y^2=71 the same section with the 8pi/15pi section? Which was the experimental math section, cause I had 2 25-MC question math sections?
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:47 pm: Edit |
Slipstream: the answer said "other countries" though. Passage one emphasized the fact that "BRITAIN'S BASE" didn't have women. So, saying other countries had a long history wouldn't do anything to the argument.
It's all coming back to me: Another question off BAS:
Historical Continuity....I just remember this word...does this phrase spark anything in anybody's memory...it's one of the questions.
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:47 pm: Edit |
for the antartica one - one of the answers i think is that if you add women to the group its going to alter the environment, but will eventually happen
| By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:48 pm: Edit |
conn - no, the one with 71 was experimental, the one with 8pi/15pi was not
| By Netmet (Netmet) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:48 pm: Edit |
lisasimpson, i agree....Byuoancy: sink was NOT on the real sections; that msutve been an experimental- can someone clarify this?
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:49 pm: Edit |
i did too conngirl, i don't think the pi question and the 71 questions were in the same section. the pi question was in the 15 minute for me and the other one was in one of the 30 minute section(second 25 question section for me)
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:49 pm: Edit |
i did too conngirl, i don't think the pi question and the 71 questions were in the same section. the pi question was in the 15 minute for me and the other one was in one of the 30 minute section(second 25 question section for me)
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:49 pm: Edit |
i did too conngirl, i don't think the pi question and the 71 questions were in the same section. the pi question was in the 15 minute for me and the other one was in one of the 30 minute section(second 25 question section for me)
| By Aznsnake2 (Aznsnake2) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:49 pm: Edit |
"if x^2-y^2=71 how many different possible value can x be if x and y are both positive integers"
Is this the exact wording? I can't remember seeing this, and I had four math sections.
| By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:50 pm: Edit |
but i had 4 verbal..unless they had different verbal experimental sections for analogies or something?
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:50 pm: Edit |
Flameball, other countries having women on their antarctic bases does disprove the notion that the reason that women aren't on britain's base is due to historical precedent.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:52 pm: Edit |
No, the "historical continuity" one isn't that question, pretty sure of it.
Historical Continuity is the one (I vaguely remember now) that spawned an answer like: the BAS has ALWAYS something....blah.
Does anybody remember the question of: what does Passage 1 imply about what causes the close-nit societal feelings: I put: their resistance (not the word) to outsiders.
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:52 pm: Edit |
aznsnake that question was a number 25 in of the 25 question sections without the QC and fill ins. some people are saying that it was exprimental tho
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:55 pm: Edit |
flameball, i know which one you are talking about now, i put it is because of similar/united exprimences of the workers or something like that.
| By Aznsnake2 (Aznsnake2) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:55 pm: Edit |
I had that section, I just can't remember seeing a x^2 -y^2 = 71 anywhere.
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:56 pm: Edit |
come on guys, lets discuss the washington passage...
here are some of the answers most ppl seem to agree on. i wont put the question in detail
1. why mentions his childhood? - to explain his later solitude.
3. spending 5 weeks on a project shows he is a role model.
3. the long quotation shows that he rambles a lot
4. ppl dont always want to hear your life story.
5. i think it was number 2, but the choice as I and III.
6. two faces, i put to contrast or something. could someone who rem the answer choices refresh my memory on this one?
7. sociable meant talktive.
8. why he says he loves washington, i put it shows his regret or something after washington left.
come on guys! we almost got all 13 here!~~
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:57 pm: Edit |
I remember putting that. I think the biggest problem is that I can only recall my answers but not the questions...bleh...it's like a bad hangover.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:02 pm: Edit |
Five weeks shows he is a role model?!?!?!?!?
The whole point of putting that example there was to show Woodward's negative aspects. I remember the context it was put in: "he didn't care about the feelings of others, but more concentrated on the something of the job it self. It didn't matter if that outhouse was going to get plumbing in a year, and he was going to shingle it in five weeks, that outhouse would stay shingled..." HOW does that context imply he was a role model? The whole passage's point was not to portray him as a role model, but as a symbol of decay when compared to the author's grandpa's "awesomeness"...
Why he loves Washington: leaves for further critique...
| By Musicbuster007 (Musicbuster007) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:03 pm: Edit |
I am having trouble remembering that 2-face question as well. So it asked why the grandpa and Washington were mentioned or smthing? And the choices were to contrast... provide insight... or predicting disaster? I hope I didn't accidentally miss this question..
| By Tamy02 (Tamy02) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:07 pm: Edit |
the SC that people claim to b impetus..i got concession!
| By Aznsnake2 (Aznsnake2) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:07 pm: Edit |
Can someone tell me what this x^2 -y^2 = 71 is about (like the exact question)? I had the extra math section before the QC/Grid-Ins and I can't remember seeing this.
| By Starynight5 (Starynight5) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:08 pm: Edit |
For those that had 4 verbal sections, is it possible that the first section was experimental?
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:10 pm: Edit |
For the two face question, i definitely don't remember any choice that included the word "contrast" - i know one of them had something about compassion and sympathy, but those aren't contrasting. I put to predict disaster.
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:11 pm: Edit |
aznsnake, it was a #25, and it was like x and y are positive integers and x squared minus y squared equals 71, how many different numbers can x represent.
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:11 pm: Edit |
aznsnake, it was a #25, and it was like x and y are positive integers and x squared minus y squared equals 71, how many different numbers can x represent.
| By Conngirl21 (Conngirl21) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:11 pm: Edit |
so was the second 25 multiple choice math section an experimental?
| By Etsrep78328 (Etsrep78328) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:12 pm: Edit |
How did you enjoy the passage about Washington Woodward?
| By Eecs (Eecs) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:12 pm: Edit |
Hypoxia:
{65, 85, 85, 90, 90}
The average of this set is 83.
The median is 85.
Indeed, 65 < 75.
I can tell you that I haven't taken a statistics course yet, but I've always known from middle school that a median can occur more than once. EVEN IF your definition of median (being a unique number) is true, although I highly doubt it, remember that the current SAT only tests knowledge up to Algebra I and Geometry. Statistics is a college course.
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:13 pm: Edit |
i think the third one was experimental...reason being that they had the format of the new SATs....The first one cant be experimental..the one with the small passages just has to be...
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:13 pm: Edit |
Tamy, concession would not work.
"By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:07 pm: Edit
the context was the two nations and their new trade policy and they hoped that it was an impetus for economic growth... something like that"
Anyways, almost everyone agrees that the answer is impetus
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:15 pm: Edit |
uhm for the shingles one on the washington woodward passage i put that he showed hard work and dedication or something - after all..it did say he would get the job done no matter how long it took him......dunno if thats rite..but i put that -_-
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:15 pm: Edit |
-strength can also be weakness
-insight into society
what were the questions?
it didnt say he didnt care about the feelings of others. he didnt care about the problem of others (which was they thot he worked too slowly) but he only cared about the problem of his work.... why would they critize someone who works hard to fix things? didnt the author say there isn't a thing that his grandpa own that is not fixed or touched by washington? how is he decayed? it says his father was not a good man.
| By Tamy02 (Tamy02) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:18 pm: Edit |
man this is soo messed up..ny1 thinkin bout callin up ETS on sat 2 find out scores early?!!!?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:18 pm: Edit |
from Flameball63
Compiled FULLY ANSWERS:
Washington:
1. I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms
I am adding:
-strength can also be weakness
-insight into society
-reclusiveness
We are missing four questions...anybody remember the remainder 4 questions missing from the Washington passage?
along with what i rem, i think we got all the 1s for washington.
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:19 pm: Edit |
waste of money......youll find out eventually
| By Godot (Godot) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:22 pm: Edit |
Dwerbowy,
Here is the solution:
x^2 - y^2 = 71 can be rewritten as:
(x+y)(x-y) = 71
Since 71 is prime, the only possible factors are 71 and 1.
x+y = 71 (it can't be the other way around)
x-y = 1
Solving simultaneously, you will find that x = 36 and y = 35.
And that is the ONLY solution, so the answer is 1.
Hope this helps.
| By Aznsnake2 (Aznsnake2) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:24 pm: Edit |
Now I'm just confused. These are quotes from the other thread:
" Can we confirm that the MIDDLE MATH SECTION (the one with the triagle, 5-10-?, as the last question) is the experimental section?? "
"Wasn't the math section with the triangle as #25 the experimental. God I hope it is. "
"the math right after the verbal, smandel000.
the one with the j/k line and the triangle as #25. "
"Smandel, 3rd math with the x2 - y2 = 71 was experimental. "
"Anyone remember the one with the triangle in water? was that experimental? Was the answer 120/sqrt 3? "
And does anyone remember a question with the answer 1 + radical 3?
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:26 pm: Edit |
anyone else on washington passage?
| By Wuballa (Wuballa) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:33 pm: Edit |
i got plutocracy: wealth:: Autocracy: Ruler
My bridge was a plutocracy is when the wealthy has power in the government, and in an autocracy, a single ruler has all the power in government.
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:33 pm: Edit |
For analogy, the answer is frigid: cold, what was the questions and what are some other answer choices again?
For SC, what was the question for 'fortitude' ?
| By Godot (Godot) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:37 pm: Edit |
Bunniegrl,
Having short passages does not necessarily mean that it was experimental, as the June exam this year had short passages on a SCORED section. I'm just wondering if anyone had the first section as experimental at all, because different forms have different orders of experimental sections.
| By Shaka (Shaka) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:43 pm: Edit |
for Washington passage: they asked soemthin about the 2 faces...face of his grandpa and ...the face of the diseased or something? What was the answer to that?
| By Tamy02 (Tamy02) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:45 pm: Edit |
I thought for the plutocracy question my bridge was
plutocracy is society ruled by the wealthy
bureacracy is society ruled by administration/govermnet!
I dont think the meritocracy makes sense all that much...a society ruled by those of talent?!
| By Netmet (Netmet) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:45 pm: Edit |
"Washington:
1. I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms
I am adding:
-strength can also be weakness
-insight into society
-reclusiveness "
In addition to these, there was also a contextual word one where the answer was "symbol"....So, that makes eleven, we are missing 2. Anyone remember the other two?
| By Jer728 (Jer728) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:49 pm: Edit |
I don't think its "strength can also be a weakness." He doesn't work hard and ignore what people want because he is strong. I put that it shows he is a good role model, though I am not entirely convinced by that answer either.
| By Anonymous4 (Anonymous4) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:49 pm: Edit |
there are usually only two forms
in this test it was either
section 1 verbal, section 2 math, section 3 math (quant comp.), section 4 verbal, section 5 verbal (experimental), section 6 verbal, section 7 math
or
section 1 math, section 2 verbal, section 3 math (experimental), section 4 (quant. comp.), section 5 verbal, section 6 math, section 7 verbal
course like kaplan and princeton review are pretty useless waste of money & time, u can get same tricks from their books for much cheaper
the best way to improve ur score by like 100-200 points is the 10 real sats and other tests by collegeboard
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:51 pm: Edit |
what was the question for "insight into society" and "symbol"?
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:57 pm: Edit |
hmm well if its not experimental for verbal i'm screwed. i got tired after the third small passage lol. but for people who have their sections as follows: verbal math math verbal verbal verbal math then it has to be one of the verbals cuz theres 4 sections of verbal...all i'm saying best best could be that that verbal section has a great possibility of being an experimental..
| By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:59 pm: Edit |
OK guys, lets talk about the other critical reading: the Spanglish one (not in order)
1. Ain't - humorous at the strictness of the grammar
2. Acknowleged her knowlege of proper english
3. family was willing to accepts different speaking habbits
4. Grammar is to be appreciated, but not fully relied upon
what else was there?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:03 pm: Edit |
1. what was the analogy question with answer of "rigid : cold"
2. what are some of the other answers for the "torch::light" analogy?
3. i thought he said he loved washington so to express his feeling for him after washington left or something.
4. for SC, what was the question with the answer of "fortitude"
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:17 pm: Edit |
how about the one with answer of vituperative for SC? anyone rem the question for that?
| By Lorival (Lorival) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:20 pm: Edit |
Netmet, I think there was a question about "problems of the job"? I don't remember which answer it corresponds w/ though.
Jer728, I think the answer is strength can also be a weakness. It talked about how he was interested in the problem itself, not your problem. He didn't care if the outhouse took a year, but it would be built. So the strength is he's able to do those jobs, but his weakness is he doesn't really regard as important other people. He's not a role model b/c his face is associated w/ decay.
Was the general consenus that the verbal was hard and the math easy? B/c I felt it was the opposite...I thought the math left a lot of room for careless error, and you can only miss like 3 if you expect >750... =( In the problem where the width of the banner is 2.5 ft, did it ask for the length in inches? B/c I think I left it as 5. -____-
| By Scion (Scion) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:21 pm: Edit |
um the rigid: cold one was joy: ecstasy (this was the question)
and the fortitude one was about the struggling grandparents
and the vituperative one was about a girl who sucked in a play and got criticized sick
"What is the buoyancy:sink analogy everyone is referring to? I had an experimental math, and I don't remember that analogy in any of my verbal sections." ya i second this question
| By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:23 pm: Edit |
for the washington passage,
symbol = omen ???
can somebody confirm it???
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:26 pm: Edit |
I put consequence. lol i suck at verbal
| By Omegaz (Omegaz) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:26 pm: Edit |
I have a question, does anyone know which section the line segment AB right triangle question was on? And which section the "Which point doesn't fit on the line" question (I think the values were (0, 10), (5, 20), (20, 40), (30, 70), and one other one)? I know the answer for the right trangle one was four or more and the point one was (20, 40), but I need to know which, if any, were on the experimental section (I had two 25 MC math sections). The order was:
Math (25 MC)
Verbal
Math (25 MC)
Math (QC)
Verbal
Math (10 MC)
Verbal
| By Math_Enthusiast (Math_Enthusiast) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:26 pm: Edit |
Lildude_Ravi: symbol = sign
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:27 pm: Edit |
rigid cold. hrm. i even remember that as an answer. but i dont think i put that.... i think i put something like dry vers blah blah..
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:27 pm: Edit |
Role model just can't work...because the passage seriously is just a demostration of the decay... I mean, I bubbled in why the author "loved woodward" to put in context further criticism. The strength is that he is determined...the weakness is that he is so determined that he often times fails to consider anything else. He can't be the boy's role model, since the whole passage basically serves to contrast his role model (his grandpa) to this man, Woodward, a symbol of decay...now I feel like I am writing something for AP Lit..bleh....
Bottom Line: Not a Role Model...just doesn't make any sense at all. The context was basically: "Woodward fixed a lot of things for us, but he concentrates on the problems of the job instead of the problems of people, so extreme to the point of stubborness..if he thinks the outhouse ought to be shingled, he didn't give a damn about anything else, it's gonna stay shingled...screw the plumbing...". That's the context I distinctly remember reading over five or six times.....
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:28 pm: Edit |
Not Omen.
| By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:33 pm: Edit |
I had 2 different answers for washington:
2 faces: Why couldnt it be that he was anticipating disaster? The author clearly stated that the "open mouth and moving beard were disease to society".. of course he is analyzing society and the "insight to society" answer could well be correct.
Woodward's childhood: reclusiveness, maybe, but the author also put woodward into a positive light. It seemed as if he was also trying to reveal woodward's background to "excuse his faults to the reader" or something along those lines..
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:35 pm: Edit |
Flameball63,
i see where you are coming from...
could you explain why the two faces is to show insight into society? i think i put something contrasting about the two characters as childhood heros or something that shows a contrast.
and in addition, does it not make sense to answer the question on why he said he loved washington by saying that he missed him or felt differently after washington left? i rem an answer choice was something like that.
and what was the context of the symbol question?
dammit, the washington passage really screwed me up.. it was the last one too....
| By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:37 pm: Edit |
yes metra! i've been racking my brain trying to think of the answer i put...it was definitely "excuse his faults to the reader"
| By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:37 pm: Edit |
Does anyone remember a sentence completion that had "contrast" as a key word?
It was something like this: "contrast.. ornate and ______, bold and _______"
I put Prosaic/Brazen but then realized that brazen could not fit.. Does anyone remember the correct answer or if this was experimental?
| By Manchu_Princess (Manchu_Princess) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:38 pm: Edit |
That test was pretty bad, has anyone thought about canceling your score?? I'm thinking about it...
| By Lorival (Lorival) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:38 pm: Edit |
Simple and understated?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:40 pm: Edit |
yes, i put that lorival.
| By Leely888 (Leely888) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:42 pm: Edit |
What scores do you all usually get on practice tests?
| By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:42 pm: Edit |
"Simple and understated? "
Damn, yeah i think that was it..
I didnt think undestated fit, but it fits much better brazen..
| By Leely888 (Leely888) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:44 pm: Edit |
I put Simple and Understated too
| By Lildude_Ravi (Lildude_Ravi) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:44 pm: Edit |
yup, i also put simple and understated
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:48 pm: Edit |
Hypnoxia, why don't YOU ask your statistics professor, and if you're right, e-mail CollegeBoard about it?
Cause I got 75 too, and you're giving me what appears to be false hope.
| By Liek0806 (Liek0806) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:49 pm: Edit |
hi
| By Liek0806 (Liek0806) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:54 pm: Edit |
Does anyone know the answer answer to th e question that asked something about the points in the intersections of the letter A and E.
What was the answer
A. Quantity in A is larger
B Quantity in B is larger
C. Quantities are equal
D. Cannot determine by the given information.
I dont remember what I put but I t hink I put C because the letters A and E both have 3 points where two lines intersect. But then I thought it doesn't tell us how large the letters are and maybe E might be a size 30 while A size 15 and wouldn't E have more points if that letter was larger?
So then I thought D because you cannot determine by the given information.
What did you guys put>?
| By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:56 pm: Edit |
it is NOT 75. Even if your statistical knowledge is correct, that is NOT what ETS was aiming for in that question. Kudos to you for knowing that, but anyone as smart you should have known how to take a test designed for those who don't.
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:57 pm: Edit |
I put C, it seemed too easy, but you never know........
| By Liek0806 (Liek0806) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:58 pm: Edit |
In my opinion this SAT has been harder than all the other ones I've taken, and I really can't tell if I'll score higher or lower.
I say harder in the sense that it seemed easy but at the same time to good to be true. Maybe that's just me.
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:01 pm: Edit |
I'm thinking the curve is going to be nice. Both math AND verbal sections were tough. I say -4 verbal is 800 and I say -2 Math is still an 800. I really think it's going to be that generous.
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:01 pm: Edit |
I'm thinking the curve is going to be nice. Both math AND verbal sections were tough. I say -4 verbal is 800 and I say -2 Math is still an 800. I really think it's going to be that generous.
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:01 pm: Edit |
The Washington Woodward passage was ridiculous. It should have been in one of the 30 minute sections. 15 minutes is NOT enough time to go through ALL of that (first it's about his Grandpa telling stories, then about how much he loves Washinton Woodward, then about how Washinton Woodward was a symbol of decay, then about how Washington Woodward could fix anything and used to ramble on and on, just like the passage itself...) What the hell is the connection between all of that? It's too complex a passage to put in a 15 minute section. I was burning Verbal until that last section. The proctor called 5 minutes before I even understood the passage. I probably missed 4 problems on that section alone. ETS screwed up.
I hope that's the curve Adidasty. It SHOULD be.
| By Tamy02 (Tamy02) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:02 pm: Edit |
I got 65 for the smallest possible number!!
I put C for the A& E quantitative answer!
| By Leely888 (Leely888) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:04 pm: Edit |
-2 Math is still an 800
I don't think Math curve has ever been this generous. I know for the June one, -1 is 780 though.
Did anyone else think that Math was hard?
| By Tamy02 (Tamy02) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:07 pm: Edit |
I was thinking that Collegeboard would recylce a p[ast test and use it this oct test date! I dont understand ETS
| By Bunniegrl (Bunniegrl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:07 pm: Edit |
i put D because you dont know where the points rest..it could easily be longer and easily be shorter... for you question of the points on QC
| By Lorival (Lorival) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:09 pm: Edit |
May 2000 -2 was 800...But that seems like a v. rare case.
| By Salik_Syed (Salik_Syed) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:12 pm: Edit |
as for A^2B*C where a, b c are dif primes over 2
i simply used 3,5,7 which = 315 when plugged in :
now here are the factors other then the number itself and 1:
63
7
5
3
105
45
15
21
9
35
thats 10 of them ... !
| By Zofaan (Zofaan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:17 pm: Edit |
for "sociable", i thought it was intimate. Can someone explain why talkative is right???
| By Manchu_Princess (Manchu_Princess) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:20 pm: Edit |
The passage actually said something like "he could just talk on and on..." so that was bascially the answer
| By Hockeyfan101 (Hockeyfan101) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:21 pm: Edit |
What did you put for the sentence completion something along the lines of superfluos/essential or fascinating/engaging?
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:21 pm: Edit |
Zofaan: Because that guys always talked and he babbled on about everything.
Man ETS screwed up, there's no way that Washington Woodward passage was fair! Math was hard too, definitely not fair! I so far have missed 5 verbal but none on math. So we say -3 Math and -9 Verbal just because that's how it usually turns out. Any chance for 1500+? I say it depends on the math curve........
| By Aim78 (Aim78) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:24 pm: Edit |
Math was okay, but they couldn't have expected many people to get that last grid-in right. I think it will probably be 800 780, MAYBE 800 790, but doubtful.
| By Hockeyfan101 (Hockeyfan101) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:25 pm: Edit |
What did you put for the sentence completion something along the lines of superfluos/essential or fascinating/engaging? It had to do with an author who wrote about debates concerning women in medicine.
| By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:27 pm: Edit |
i put fascinating/engaging
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:41 pm: Edit |
Yeah what about verbal curve? -3 still 800 you guys think?
| By Mnmike (Mnmike) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 04:48 pm: Edit |
BUMP...
I agree with you. The Woodward question confused the •••• out of me. Overall, I thought the test was pretty easy. The only problems I had with were the AB line segment being three and how many right triangles you would form. I put more than 4. Was that section experimental?
As for this question:
315 = 3*3*5*7
FACTORS :
1. 3
2. 5
3. 7
4. 9
5. 15
6. 21
7. 63
8. 35
9. 105
10. 45
Isn't the answer 4, since they were asking for prime factors that were greater than 2 but were less than n, n=315. The thing to note was that these are PRIME FACTORS. 15, 21, 63, 35, 105, and 45 does not work because these are not prime factors! The question with x,x,y,90.90 was hella confusing. Hypnoxia, I put 75 too, but then again I don't remember how the question was phrased. Did they ask for the lowest possible value? I got 75 but then again, it could be 65, or can it? Since the median was 85, then Y must = 85 or else it wouldn't work. Thus, we can solve this algebraically.
X+X+85+90+90 / 5 = 83. Multiply 83 by 5, substract (85+90+90) from this and you get 150. 150 = 2x. X, therefore must equal 75! But then again, I realize that it can be 65, 85, 85, 90, and 90. Thus, 85 could have been the median. And the average still would have been 83. ••••, THIS IS CONFUSING. DAMN YOU ETS! The Washington Woodward passage was hella confusing. I don't even want to think about it. I like ran out of time cause I had to reread the ••••••• passage like ten times. I was certain that I could have broke 1500 if not for the Woodward passage!!!! UGH!
| By Marissal (Marissal) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:00 pm: Edit |
My SAT began with verbal, and ended with verbal. I THINK the order was:
verbal
math
math
math
verbal
math
verbal
Does anyone know what math was the experimental?
That last verbal one killed me!
| By Briansee (Briansee) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:05 pm: Edit |
"there are usually only two forms
in this test it was either
section 1 verbal, section 2 math, section 3 math (quant comp.), section 4 verbal, section 5 verbal (experimental), section 6 verbal, section 7 math"
I hope you're right on that one! I messed up my 5th section.
Also, is the curve based on how well people performed on this SAT? I heard from someone that it was based on the one before.
| By Whightknight (Whightknight) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:32 pm: Edit |
Aznsnake, and others who didn't have x2-y2 = 71, did you have #25 as a problem about fish size, because I didn't have x2-y2 = 71 as a question either? The fish problem was was basically a fricken paragraph long question that was absolutely nonsensical. I had 4 math sections, and the section before the Q/C,Grid-Ins was my experimental I do believe. Section #3 overall.
| By Jylee12 (Jylee12) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:36 pm: Edit |
sorry to digress back to washington.. but this is really bugging me.. i agree with all of these except two.. and i was wondering if anyone could clarify them for me..
"Washington:
1. I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms*
-strength can also be weakness*
-insight into society
-reclusiveness
*for the love wooward does any one remember any of the other choices because i remember choosing between this answer and one other.
*for the strength can also be weakness, i tend to disagree because from the passage it seemed as though the idea was that a weakness could also be a strength because his weakness was that he was slow and the strength regarding that is the fact that it is more effective. because of this i put something about hard work.. can anyone clarify please..
thanks.
| By Inneedofhelp (Inneedofhelp) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:36 pm: Edit |
mnmike, i think you're right in that the last grid-in asked for how many PRIME NUMBERS greater than 2 and less than n could be divided from n. In which case, the answer would be 3, not 4. It's a, b, and c. For some reason, it just hit me now that the question was asking for prime numbers. Since n is made up of only 3 factors, there are only 3 prime numbers.
| By Desperado (Desperado) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:46 pm: Edit |
man it sucks i got the last grid answers right but i gridded in 11 including the whole numbr. i didnt read the question right. how stupid can i get
| By Lorival (Lorival) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:05 pm: Edit |
Inneedofhelp, I don't think it was asking for prime numbers greater than two. It was saying a,b,c are prime numbers greater than two, and it was searching for factors greater than two and less than n. I agree w/ the people who said the answer is 10.
| By Ladybajan (Ladybajan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:14 pm: Edit |
I remember one of the questions from the Woodward passage being a Roman numeral question. . .I think it was from that passage.
I. He learned from Grandfather
II. He learned from observations
III. He learned from Woodward's writings
I put the answer with I and II as the answer.
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:16 pm: Edit |
I did too.
| By Netmet (Netmet) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:18 pm: Edit |
Lorival is right.
| By Punkrawkftblman (Punkrawkftblman) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:21 pm: Edit |
sry to jack this post, but why cant i read the posts on the other 600+ response SAT forum? it wont let me make a new discussion..sorry. but wts up with tht? i can only read up to post 300ish on tht forum...
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:22 pm: Edit |
Jylee12,
i think my answer for that was something about how he felt after the guy left or something.
| By Punkrawkftblman (Punkrawkftblman) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:23 pm: Edit |
is there a page 2 or something and i cant find the buttoN?
| By Punkrawkftblman (Punkrawkftblman) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:23 pm: Edit |
is there a page 2 or something and i cant find the buttoN?
| By Punkrawkftblman (Punkrawkftblman) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:23 pm: Edit |
is there a page 2 or something and i cant find the buttoN?
| By Scion (Scion) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:24 pm: Edit |
the "strokes" for the letter "A" and the letter "E" were equal-answer choice C
| By Hiya (Hiya) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:27 pm: Edit |
Problem: An isosceles triangle has at least one side that is 3m and at least one side that is m. What is the perimeter of the triangle?
- Okay, so it could be 3m + 3m + m = 7m or 3m + m + m = 5m b/c it could have at least for BOTH… so I look at the choices and both 7m and 5m were answer choices and I’m like WTF? What did u get?
| By Theleet (Theleet) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit |
I think Hypoxia got served.
I hate woodward.
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:31 pm: Edit |
OH CRAP
Does anyone what exactly the "debates of women in medicine" said again. I think I said superfluos/essential over fascinating/engaging
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:33 pm: Edit |
Yeah it was about reading material and the answer was fascinating, engaging
| By Madd87 (Madd87) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:33 pm: Edit |
Mnmike:
the n = a^2bc question asked for number of divisors less than n and greater than 2.
Because a b and c are all prime, the only divisors are:
a
a^2
b
c
ab
ac
bc
abc
a^2b
a^2c
a^2bc
1
excluding a^2bc and 1 there are 10, all of which will be greater than 2 because all of the numbers are greater than 2.
It didn't ask for prime divisors, and if they did it would be 3: a, b, and c.
In your example you included a^2 as prime (9) which, of course, is not prime.
| By Legendofmax (Legendofmax) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:36 pm: Edit |
What was this last grid in that gave everybody trouble?
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:38 pm: Edit |
you know what, seriously, stop ARGUING OVER MATH QUESTIONS!!!!!!! DAMMIT.. ITS MATH.. and everyone has reached the consensus that the answer is 10. period.
| By Neelesh (Neelesh) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:38 pm: Edit |
the circle question that every keeps getting 15pi or 8 pi for WAS NOT experimental. i only had 3 math sections on my SAT, so that means that one of my verbals was experimental.
i put 15pi. lets get an answer for this right now. unless of course we already decided what the answer is.....i really dont feel like skimming all the way up to see what everyone says..
IS IT 15PI OR 8PI? WHY?(if its 8pi)
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit |
Ughhhhh so I think that's one sentence completion wrong for me......
Does anybody remember the other sentence completion. I'm pretty sure it was in the same section as impetus and it was the one before it. It was a two word one, and I just remember choosing B with process of elimination. Does ANYONE remember?
| By Shizpit (Shizpit) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:40 pm: Edit |
an easy way to do that is prime factorization if anyone knows that it would be (2+1)(1+1)(1+1) then u must subtract bc can't be 1 and the number so it would be 12-2=10
| By Neelesh (Neelesh) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:40 pm: Edit |
oh another question: was the verbal part where there were like 3 different dual passages with the crap load of analgies experimental?
| By Madd87 (Madd87) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:43 pm: Edit |
And just so you all know, just in case there is still ANY confusion, Hypoxia does not know what he is talking about. In statistics you often deal with huge data sets, and the median is often given as a good description of the "average" of a data set when the mean would be pulled to the left or the right by outliers. If hypoxia's definition were true, the median would have to be an outlier because in a normal data set of 50,000+ values, the only time you will get a unique value is if it is an outlier at least 3 standard deviations away from the mean. In a data set of {1, 30, 30, 30, 33, 33, 33, 33, 33, 40, 40, 40, 40, 40, 50, 50, 50} the median is obviously not the only unique value: 1.
The answer to that question is 65.
| By Hiya (Hiya) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:44 pm: Edit |
Problem: An isosceles triangle has at least one side that is 3m and at least one side that is m. What is the perimeter of the triangle?
- Okay, so it could be 3m + 3m + m = 7m or 3m + m + m = 5m b/c it could have at least for BOTH… so I look at the choices and both 7m and 5m were answer choices and I’m like WTF? What did u get? HELP!!! Did i read it wrong or what?
| By Ladybajan (Ladybajan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:48 pm: Edit |
Does anyone remember a sentence completion that was weirdly worded: something about machines with answer choices fail...redundance, proliferate/something, etc?
And I am still wondering about the dolphin:flipper question and burning:ash question.
| By Neelesh (Neelesh) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 06:51 pm: Edit |
i think that section was experimental...because i dont remember those analogies, and my experimental section was verbal..
so was the verbal section that had the 3 dual passages or wutever experimental?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:03 pm: Edit |
-I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms*
-strength can also be weakness*
-insight into society
-reclusiveness
-symbol = sign? anyone rem the contxt of this q?
Let's just finish discussing the washington passage....... do ppl all agree to these answers?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:03 pm: Edit |
-I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms*
-strength can also be weakness*
-insight into society
-reclusiveness
-symbol = sign? anyone rem the contxt of this q?
Let's just finish discussing the washington passage....... do ppl all agree to these answers?
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:03 pm: Edit |
-I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms*
-strength can also be weakness*
-insight into society
-reclusiveness
-symbol = sign? anyone rem the contxt of this q?
Let's just finish discussing the washington passage....... do ppl all agree to these answers?
| By Madd87 (Madd87) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:03 pm: Edit |
7m.
3m, m, m, is impossible. m+m = 2m which is less than 3m, so that triangle cant exist.
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:06 pm: Edit |
anyone mind answering this for me?
1. what was the analogy question with answer of "rigid : cold"
2. what are some of the other answers for the "torch::light" analogy?
3. for SC, what was the question with the answer of "fortitude"
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:07 pm: Edit |
1. sodden: moist for frigid: cold
3. the question was about the grandparents undergoing lots of hardships
| By Madd87 (Madd87) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:07 pm: Edit |
2. water: sponge , spark: explosion are 2 of them
3. something about the grandfather or grandparents
| By Lorival (Lorival) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:09 pm: Edit |
How do you access all the posts for "October 9 SAT Discussion"? I can't see all 700...
| By Musicbuster007 (Musicbuster007) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:18 pm: Edit |
Um just want to make sure: everyone have the same 6 CORE sections? Basically I really wanna know if the chinese emigrant section was experimental... sorry if this was mentioned above, I know some ppl said section 5 was experimental but I wanna make sure the sec. # corresponds. thanks
| By Leely888 (Leely888) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:39 pm: Edit |
Madd87: Why is Torche: Light --> Spark: Explosion??
| By Elock (Elock) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:40 pm: Edit |
Hey what was the answer in the BAC vebal section about the "function" of historical continuity? or however the question was worded...
| By Hiya (Hiya) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:40 pm: Edit |
i thought sign = symbol too
| By Neelesh (Neelesh) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:41 pm: Edit |
leely888: it is not. torch:light::tent:shelter
| By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:44 pm: Edit |
What were some other answers to the loves woodward question?
Also:
2 faces could still be anticipation of disaster
and
Woodward's childhood could be to excuse the faults of Woodward..
| By Leely888 (Leely888) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:55 pm: Edit |
I put sign = symbol also
What was the image is conception question? I do'nt remember it
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:56 pm: Edit |
what are some other answers for sodden: moist ?
i dont recalling putting rigid and cold.. i think i used something else thats related to being wet.q
| By Whtx (Whtx) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:13 pm: Edit |
Thereishope: In that case, you put sponge-water.
What are the choices for these 2 Woodward questions?
1. About saying how much he loves woodward.
2. Something about 2 faces. I remember putting something down about how the grandfather was so optimistic when things are really bad. Is there such a thing?
| By Madd87 (Madd87) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:16 pm: Edit |
I didnt say that was correct, I said it was one of the other choices.
| By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:20 pm: Edit |
what was the reclusiveness one.. i think i might have put something else...
oh, and about the rigid cold one, i think i put something eles too, whate were some of the other choices...
| By Elock (Elock) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:23 pm: Edit |
it wasn't rigid:cold
it was frigid:cold
| By Bard (Bard) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:24 pm: Edit |
it was sodden:moist:frigid:cold
| By Mehere (Mehere) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:28 pm: Edit |
is the scale made b4 or after the test?
cuz i thot the experimental is tehre so that they can make the scale for the future tests.. or do they actually make the scale after the test is done?
| By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:28 pm: Edit |
ohhh, ok ok, i think i put that then, i was like WTF :[ thanks g's
| By Antique (Antique) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:33 pm: Edit |
Anyone:
ETYMOLOGY:WORDS
ANS:
horticulture:plants
OR
genealogy: family
| By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:33 pm: Edit |
Yo, there was this math one, it was like recursive. Add three, then subtract 2 from the next one, whats the 40th term. I had trouble with that math section. Was it experimental?
| By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:34 pm: Edit |
"what was the reclusiveness one.. i think i might have put something else... "
Another answer was that his childhood was recalled so that the reader would excuse his faults.
| By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:36 pm: Edit |
For etymology:words, i put geneaology:family.
etyomology is the study of the origin of words.
genealogy " " " " "... families.
| By Journkid (Journkid) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:39 pm: Edit |
I thought that it was "Genealogy: Family" for that one. I thought of it as, "Etymology traces the roots of words. Genealogy traces the roots of families." I couldn't just think of "the study of," because then any of them would've fit. I went further and found the "root" idea.
| By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:46 pm: Edit |
why cant i see all the posts for the other SAT I OCT 9 THREAD????
| By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:50 pm: Edit |
why cant i see all the posts for the other SAT I OCT 9 THREAD????
| By Cresolred (Cresolred) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:56 pm: Edit |
I can't see all the posts for the other thread either, can anyone see them?
| By Morgan (Morgan) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:58 pm: Edit |
Anyone remember the question about how many 3-digit number can be made by using the 2 and 3. Was that question in the experimential section?
| By Setzwxman (Setzwxman) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:22 pm: Edit |
Morgan,
Unfortunately, that question was not in the experimental section. I know, because I had 4 verbal sections, receiving my experimental section in the form of the painful verbal passages/questions .
These "how many _ digit integers can be made by using _ and _ " type questions REALLY irk me. They are almost always doable, but they are very time-consuming at times, depending on exactly what they are asking for. If the curve of the particular test is tough, not having enough time to finish these problems would cause you to automatically receive a math score of less than 800. Damn ETS! Ugh!
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:28 pm: Edit |
what r some of the other ans for frigid:cold one?
| By Harpingchic (Harpingchic) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:44 pm: Edit |
i had that 3-digit # question but with 3's and 4's... i put 6: 443, 433, 343, 344, 434, and 334.
| By Adidasty (Adidasty) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:54 pm: Edit |
I put 6, that's all I know. lol
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:55 pm: Edit |
Me too.
Would the people that keeps asking about the Washington passage just refer to previous posts?? It's like you guys are asking the same questions OVER AND OVER AGAIN....just read UP!!
| By Vladimir2004 (Vladimir2004) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 09:56 pm: Edit |
yea, it was 6. I think I got 800 for math. Now verbal is a different story...
| By Nobu (Nobu) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:01 pm: Edit |
is there a consensus on the Woodward questions?
| By Gregbry3 (Gregbry3) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:09 pm: Edit |
was the 6 question open ended
| By Gregbry3 (Gregbry3) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:12 pm: Edit |
and wasn't it even 3 digit numbers
| By Thereishope (Thereishope) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:13 pm: Edit |
could someone tell me some of the other answers for the question with the correct answer of " frigid : cold " for analogy and the question for 'vituperative' for SC? I am trying to figure out if i should cancel my score by est how many i have gotten wrong.
thx
| By Gregbry3 (Gregbry3) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:14 pm: Edit |
what were the choices
| By Gregbry3 (Gregbry3) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:21 pm: Edit |
The SCALE is made after the test.it wouldn't make sense if it was before. Collegeboard.com says after anyways
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:23 pm: Edit |
ONE LAST TIME:
-I and II
-a prophet is someone who loudly denounces perceived evil
-image is conception
-he rambled a lot
-for last one, it showed not everything in a person's life is worth talking about
-sociable is talkative
-loves woodward: to put in context greater criticisms*
* it's sets the context for critique because you read the rest of the passage...and it's critique. Also, basically, it presents the notion that the author loves this guy Woodwards, BUT...although he loves, him...there are still so many things wrong with him, parallel to the portaryal of decay in the town...he loves him and the place, but, the love-him part just basically says..."Look, I love this guy...BUT...blah blah blah".
-strength can also be weakness-
*The context was basically: "Woodward fixed a lot of things for us, but he concentrates on the problems of the job instead of the problems of people, so extreme to the point of stubborness..if he thinks the outhouse ought to be shingled, he didn't give a damn about anything else, it's gonna stay shingled...screw the plumbing...". That's the context I distinctly remember reading over five or six times.....so, it's basically saying, his greatest strength might be his determination, but it leads to stubborness, to the extreme point of where he just didn't give a damn about anybody else...sense of disconnect...so that can't possibly be the "role model"
-insight into society-
*I put this because the fact that the author can differentiate between the two different factions within this little place shows how much he understands it. I remember looking over the other answer of "something disaster"...but, read it...just something wrong with it...
-reclusiveness
*I actually put down "excuse faults of Woodward" at first. But then, I gone back, and read it...and realized that he doesn't really "excuse" Woodward's faults... Plus, at the end, when he spend almost the remaining half ot he passage, he talked about how Woodward lived a lone...blah blah blah. Maybe it's "faults"...damn...that means I'll miss another... Anybody want to discuss this?
-symbol = sign
*def. the right answer.
| By Anthem429 (Anthem429) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:24 pm: Edit |
do they look at the raw scores b4 determining the scale?
| By Gregbry3 (Gregbry3) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:28 pm: Edit |
yeah that one was hard. i put faults but i could see it being reclusive as well
| By Gregbry3 (Gregbry3) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:30 pm: Edit |
they do iy by percent, ex if get a 500 on verbal or math your in about the 50th percentile
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:19 pm: Edit |
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE REMEMBER WHAT THE "Fulfilled:Revered" analogy(was this an analogy??) was?? I can't seem to remember it at ALL!!!
| By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:21 pm: Edit |
Flameball, yes i do want to discuss.
1. For loves Woodward, I put that he regrets it when Woodward leaves, simply because it seems like he does - at first. But at the end of the passage the author seems annoyed at Woodward's constant talking so maybe the answer is critique.
2. Two faces: now that i think about it, "anticipating disaster" does seem a little unorthodox for ETS. While both make sense, i guess insight makes MORE sense so there isnt much argument. I guess anticipates disaster is more of a specific answer since the author did say "the open mouth and moving beard was a disease afflicting the region except for his grandpa." But insight to society is a general term for this..
3. Ironically, I was thinking of putting reclusiveness down first.. but then i realized that only part of his childhood was rough and the rest wasnt as much. Plus, Woodward doesnt end up in isolation, does he? It seems like he keeps on talking and thats not very reclusive. Both could work, once again.
At least i agree with all the other ones... That passage was insane. My main problem was that it had so many "whole passage" questions. In most passages I just read the paragraph and answer the question. For this one, even though it had specific paragraph questions, I was forced to use the whole passage to answer because there was simply not enough context.. However, since I could never get whether the author loves Woodward or hates him I really couldnt get many definite answers. Jeez, ETS screwed me over with that section.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:28 pm: Edit |
Woodward does end up in isolation though. The last paragraph (or second to last) says something like..."Everytime we go and visit him, he talks a lot...that's when he shares crap with the few friends he has...blah blah blah". Can somebody please pin up the "Fulfilled: Revered" question...I was looking through the 700+ post...and just can't remember what I put...
| By Elock (Elock) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:46 pm: Edit |
I believe it was a SC about a musician whose prediction is fulfilled as he is later is revered by his fans? I could be way off though, I can't really remember that one.
What did you all put for what "function" meant in terms of historical continuity. It was in the British Antarctic reading.
I think the answer choices were something like:
a) role
b) purpose
c) consequence
d) responsibility
and I can't remember the last one.
I am sure I transposed the corresponding letters.
| By Sachlichkeit (Sachlichkeit) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:48 pm: Edit |
Yeah, Woodward was a beast.
Concerning the 8pi/15pi question:
It was DEFINITLY 15pi.
First, it was a question very very early in that math section, so the question shouldnt be anything counter intuitive.
Second, it asked for the area inside the larger circle, 16pi (or was it 18??), that is not within the area of the smaller circle. Therefore, it is the area of the larger circle minus the area of the smaller circle.
Even if the question was worded so as to exclude the border of the large and small circles (what some ppl have been claiming in previous posts), solving the problem, without borders, is still 15pi. I checked it using limits, its still 15pi
| By Elock (Elock) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:56 pm: Edit |
The question asked for the the area of the regions inside the larger circle and outside the smaller one. It was question 7 out of 10 on the last one, which is not really "very very early" in the section. I ended up putting 8pi.
It was just a bad question and, unfortunately, I dont think we will have closure on it until we receive our results.
| By Sqingx (Sqingx) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 11:56 pm: Edit |
cmon ppl, don't talk about the SAT, it jinxes your chance, if you are so desperate about knowing the right answers, y didn't u just get the answer sheet later, i mean wat's the point of doing this, you guys are just torturing yourselves. I prefer to live my life in denial, even though i have tons of mistakes on the test already, i still believe i can get over 1500. now, wat do u think of that?
| By Omegaz (Omegaz) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:10 am: Edit |
Can someone who had four verbal sections tell me this:
Do you remember a problem about a line segment AB and it asking you how many right triangles could be formed from it?
Do you remember a problem about a series of points on a line, and it asking you which point did not fit on the line (the answers were (0, 10), (5, 20), (20, 40), (30, 70), and something else).
I know the answers, I'm just curious as to whether or not these questions were experimental or not.
| By Shaka (Shaka) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:11 am: Edit |
the suspense isnt good for you either, bud...
some people are open minded like you, some are like me...who literally ran home to check CC for answers lol
| By Neelesh (Neelesh) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:26 am: Edit |
sigh..i knew i should have bought the Q&A service..o well i can alwayz buy it later...
| By Doerame (Doerame) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:32 am: Edit |
okay so i've just read the entire post and i've gathered verbal questions that are still considered contested ... most of them are CR questions so here they are (in some vague form of the original):
1) AFFECTION... why did the grandson show affection towards washington woodward? love was somehow involved in this question ... possible answerss: A) child/adult disparity B) criticism of Woodward leaving ... B was my answer
2) "tearing apart the rainbow" - what was its significance? possible answers: A) negative aspect of science B)insight into a society (this may be a different question altogether) ... A was my answer i believe
3) The difference in between the two BAS passages... what were some of the answer choices in this one? and a general consensus on the answer would also be valued
4) What disproves the statement that "science is reductive" ... possible answer: A)it provides a greater appreciation of ordinary objects
5) What disproves "historical continuity" (BAS passage) .. i put that "other countries had women"
6) people keep mentioning "fulfilled, revered" ... What question is this?
There are many analogies that are contested and will remain contested (meritocracy for example) so let's not even bother continuing to discuss them... meritocracy IS right though
SO IS 8pi!!!!!
~doerame
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:47 am: Edit |
Oh! I got the fulfilled, revered one...yay...I thought it was an analogy...and I was like...I can't build a bridge out of that.
But, yeah. I got Function: Consequence.
| By Jssballet (Jssballet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:49 am: Edit |
Omegaz-yeah, I had 4 verbal sections and had those questions
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:53 am: Edit |
Historical continuity one...are you sure it's to disprove historical continuity?? I don't remember it in that context. Plus, other countries having "historical" continuity didn't matter squat, because doesn't passage one emphasize specificallly that BRITAIN was like that, unlike the rest of the world...so, I forgot the question, but vaguely rememberlooking over that answer, and thinking to myself, what other countries have done in the past has nothing to do with Britain, because the whole point of the first passage was to emphasize that Britain was traditional...it does have historical continuity...putting that answer down, at least to me at the time, seems to say, "America had its Civil Rights movement..." and to debunk it: "Britain had their civil rights movement ten thousand years ago..."....??? If it seems like I am babbling, maybe I am....it's getting late.
| By Sleepdeprived (Sleepdeprived) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:56 am: Edit |
Could someone who knows please tell me if the "which point doesn't fit on the line" question was an experimental?
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:57 am: Edit |
no it wasn't. I only had 3 math sections and I had that question
| By Doerame (Doerame) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:02 am: Edit |
also, the answer that was "reclusiveness" in the woodward passage... what was the question and context??
and Jane Austen and George Eliot allusion... why was it done? i put something w/ the word "antiquity" ... there are some people who chose "good writers but not role models" or something along those lines...
and i do believe Buoyancy:sink was experimental
| By Doerame (Doerame) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:03 am: Edit |
people keep mentioning answers I and II for woodward or I and III ... what was the question for this??!
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:10 am: Edit |
No. Buoyancy:sink was not experimental. I had the experimental math, and I got that answer...
| By Elock (Elock) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:10 am: Edit |
The question asked about the different ways the boy aquired information on Woodward.
The two answers included what his grandpa had said about Woodward and the boy's personal experiences.
The one it did not include was from Woodward's writings.
| By Elock (Elock) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:12 am: Edit |
What was the context of the question for the "buoyancy:sink" problem? I don't remember that one.
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:13 am: Edit |
The question for the I&II (and this is the answer) is like:
Where did the author learn about woodward?
I) Grandpa's stories
II) Own experience
III) Woodward's writings...
It was a giveaway...the only one that had a clear answer out of the whole damn passage.
| By Nobu (Nobu) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:13 am: Edit |
I think it's hilarious to read the curve predictions on this page...exactly on what information are people basing this?
Ok - let's see what you think.
I'd say I made 4 errors in Verbal
(I assume that my errors are from the disputed questions such as plutocracy:wealth:: and the Woodward set...btw I answered meritocracy:skill because it's wealth not wealthy. I always had one of the disputed answers - so it's about 50/50.)
I made maybe 1-2 errors in Math.
I don't know of any errors. I had the factor one right (10). I'm not too sure about the z>y>x (last QC question). I answered A. I'm assuming that there are 1-2 errors total just from possible mistakes.
So...I don't know for certain that any of my answers are wrong since we're still arguing - they could all be correct.
So omnipotent people, what is my score if I have 4 wrong in Verbal and 2 wrong in math?
| By Scion (Scion) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:29 am: Edit |
"2) "tearing apart the rainbow" - what was its significance? possible answers: A) negative aspect of science B)insight into a society (this may be a different question altogether) ... A was my answer i believe"
was the answer something about nature not wanting to be revealed by science?? was that answer A, cuz i dont remember an answer choice about the "negative aspect of science..."
ok what IS the buoyancy: sink one?? was that an answer choice or the question????
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:36 am: Edit |
Scion: That is a "different question all together". That "insight into society" is from the Washington passage...asking why the guy saw two faces.
| By Bhaiyu87 (Bhaiyu87) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:07 am: Edit |
Does everyone have to have the same sections and questions scored towards their score?
Did everyone have the verbal section with 3 short passages?
| By Hzjames (Hzjames) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:12 am: Edit |
It seems that for the last question on Woodward the consensus is that the use of quotes showed that not every thing in one's life is worth talking about.....but i distinctly remember that one of the answers was that it showed that Woodward spoke randomly with no clear forethought, something along these line..... won't this be a better choice?
| By Best_Wr (Best_Wr) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:14 am: Edit |
Verbal experimental was so obvious.
Three short passages (one about Aunt loving darkness, one about comedians, and one about Native American farming) were intended to measure how students'd do in the New SAT.
I wasn't gonna do the section entirely, but i did just in case. it turns out that was the experimental section
| By Best_Wr (Best_Wr) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:16 am: Edit |
what was question with buoyancy: sink?
I don't remember....
| By Twiggy (Twiggy) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 04:37 am: Edit |
Does everyone have to have the same sections and questions scored towards their score?
Did everyone have the verbal section with 3 short passages?
Well, people had different tests (I didn't have any passages on an aunt loving darkness, one about comedians, and one about Native American farming like one of the previous posters.I had stuff on a guy named Washington and I definitely had math 4 times instead of 3 ) , but everyone will have 3 verbal and 3 math sections count in the end.
| By Theleet (Theleet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 06:10 am: Edit |
HzJames, I put that not everything was worth talking about for the last question. I think it was E. anyone agree? Now that it is over, the woodward passage doesn't seem so bad. Granted we've had hours to think about it. It was definitely hell as one of the last sections and only 15 minutes.
| By Netmet (Netmet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 08:19 am: Edit |
BUYONACY: SINK WAS EXPERIMENTAL! I had experimental math and I'm 100 percent sure there was no buyonacy: sink on my exam....For those of you who claim it wasnt experimental, I have yet to see someone substantiate that claim with the context of a question...So, please do that if you "think" it was not experimental.
| By Dumbya1206 (Dumbya1206) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 08:24 am: Edit |
Yeah, I don't remember seeing any analogy with bouyancy:sink as one of its answers and I had four math sections. That maybe because I no longer have the test fresh in my mind, or because it was experimental. If I did come across it, I would probably remember the question, so if anyone can provide the context of the question I would greatly appreciate that!
| By Flameball63 (Flameball63) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 08:46 am: Edit |
I swear to you...I had the math experimental, and buyoancy:sink (or the other way around) was one of my answers...might it be that you just didn't pick it...I remember distinctly that the bridge was something along the lines of: "something that sinks does not have buyoancy" or something like that...
| By Dwerbowy (Dwerbowy) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 08:52 am: Edit |
what reading passage went along with that buyoancy:sink question? i also had 4 math exprimentals and i'm almost positive i didn't havet hat as an answer or recall seeing it as an answer choice. btw does anyone rememeber if the math question about how many different number you can make with 3 and 4 was in the exprimental section or not?
| By Theleet (Theleet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 09:32 am: Edit |
I was thinking it over, and I think it is
plutocracy: wealth
monarchy: ruler
plutocracy is government by the wealthy
monarchy is government by the ruler
the reason being that a meritocracy is not a form of goverment. Here are dictionary.com definitions.
meritocracy - 1. A system in which advancement is based on individual ability or achievement.
2.
1. A group of leaders or officeholders selected on the basis of individual ability or achievement.
2. Leadership by such a group.
monarchy - 1. Government by a monarch.
2. A state ruled or headed by a monarch.
plutocracy - 1. Government by the wealthy.
2. A wealthy class that controls a government.
3. A government or state in which the wealthy rule.
Please correct me if you see otherwise. I am NOT a ignorant fool like hypowhatever arguing aimlessly at an (incorrect) definition of median. I am just telling you how I see it. If I got it wrong, I got it wrong, too late now, but I just need some closure. Explanations please.
| By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:16 am: Edit |
Theleet, I'm 100% positive the answer is meritocracy:talent. The distinguishing characteristic that qualifies someone to rule in a plutocracy, is wealth. Those who have wealth rule. Similarily the distinguishing characteristic that qualifies someone to rule in a meritocracy is merit, or talent. The bridge is very clear. The distinguishing characteristic that qualifies a person to rule a monarchy is not ruler. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As I believe someone else already mentioned, monarchy's are ruled by the right of birth. Therefore an analogy of monarchy:birthright would have been a decent choice. But monarchy:ruler simply doesn't work. Bureaucracy:administration fails for similar reasons.
| By 0atmeal (0atmeal) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:17 am: Edit |
I'm pretty sure that the answer should be MERITOCRACY:ACHIEVEMENT (or whatever the wording was)Although Monarchy and Plutocracy are two types of government rule, Plutocracy is a form of government by which advancement is based on wealth and meritocracy is a system by which advancement is based on ability. Monarchy and ruler do not have the same type of a relationship - its all in the defining sentence.
Hope this helps!
| By Doerame (Doerame) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:26 am: Edit |
i agree with oatmeal and obilisk
And as of this moment, we have yet to find either a question or other possible answer choices for the Buoyancy:sink question... I'm obviously in the crowd of people who either don't remember the question or feel that it is experimental... so if anyone out there knows the original bridge to this analogy, please speak up
| By Cmg_Ridley (Cmg_Ridley) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:27 am: Edit |
For the prime number question (a^2bc) did it say any consecutive prime numbers, or the first prime numbers after 2? because i used 11, 13, and 17 and got 0 for the answer even though it's wrong, I don't remember if it clearly stated to use the prime numbers directly after 2.
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:42 am: Edit |
if you use 11, 13, and 17... you still get 10
11^2 * 13 * 17 = 26741
the factors of 26741 (not including 1 and 26741)
11
13
17
121
143
187
221
1573
2057
2431
| By Jmoayyad (Jmoayyad) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:11 am: Edit |
Anyone remember the sentence completion talking about the Japanese, and it was contrasting the ornate and the bold? I remember one answer choice was prozaic, brazen; but that was incorrect and not what i put.
| By Theleet (Theleet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:12 am: Edit |
yeah, i see it both ways. I guess we will see when we get them in the mail. I think I'm leaning towards your answer.
But, plutocracy clearly says government in the definition, and meritocracy is only a system of advancement, rather than a government as a monarchy is?
On test day, I was equivocating between the two, and I chose monarchy because meritocracy wasn't a form of government...
| By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:16 am: Edit |
"Anyone remember the sentence completion talking about the Japanese, and it was contrasting the ornate and the bold? I remember one answer choice was prozaic, brazen; but that was incorrect and not what i put. "
Yeah, the right answer was like "simple, understated". I think .
| By Member1203 (Member1203) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:28 pm: Edit |
I had this: ( on Collegeboard)
could someone please tell me what the 3 short passages and 1 long passage was about. I really dont remember any short passages and it looks like that section counts. I know i didnt have anything bout a Comedian or aunt in darkness and native american farming. ????!?
math (regular 5-choice questions)
verbal (2 reading passages)
math (QC and SPR questions)
equating (the one that doesn't count toward your score)
verbal (3 short passages and 1 long passage)
math (regular 5-choice questions)
verbal (long reading passage)
| By Elock (Elock) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:54 pm: Edit |
That is from the June 5th Test. The link is wrong.
It says "If you took the SAT I on Saturday, June 5, 2004, you had one of three section orders. Your test was organized like this:"
| By Elock (Elock) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:58 pm: Edit |
Meritocracy is right because the word is "wealth" not "wealthy". It is the only bridge that works.
| By Theleet (Theleet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:20 pm: Edit |
Aren't you allowed to edit tense/endings at will though?
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:39 pm: Edit |
Does anyone know the answer to the question about "how does the woman view herself by saying that she is a relative pretending to belong in a family" or sth like that in the BAS passage (it's the 1st question of the passage)?
The choices I remember were:
a) She claims a privilege she is not entitled to.
b) She is talking about a community she has influence on.
c) Her true feelings contrast with her public persona.
d) She is a favorite in the community she unrightly enters.
e) (unable to recall)
These are as much as I remember, so help out guys! What did you answer for this question?
| By Doerame (Doerame) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:45 pm: Edit |
I put A) She claims a privelege she is not entitled to...
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:59 pm: Edit |
One for a)! Anyone else?
| By Musicbuster007 (Musicbuster007) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:06 pm: Edit |
yea me for a
| By Rubens (Rubens) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:13 pm: Edit |
A!
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:14 pm: Edit |
A
| By Phi2402 (Phi2402) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:18 pm: Edit |
I put A also.
But last time I said "A" in an SAT chatroom, I was bashed "for being an idiot"
lol
Is it A?
| By Theleet (Theleet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:27 pm: Edit |
yes, A.
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:27 pm: Edit |
6 for A (including me) unanimously
phi2402: now u know who's the "actual" idiot!
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:30 pm: Edit |
plus 1 for theleet, who seems to have posted at the same time I did
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:54 pm: Edit |
I put C!!! A doesn't work because the whole point of the passage is that she is saying she IS entitled to it; she's saying that it shouldn't be a privilege for women to be at the British station: it should be a right. C works because, like a person trying to become a relative in a family, she has to put on a facade so she isn't rejected outright by the men there even though she actually believes that she has every right to be there.
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:55 pm: Edit |
I'm pretty sure it's A. you're thinking too hard into it. always remember to KIS (keep it simple)
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:59 pm: Edit |
No, I'm pretty sure it's not A. I'm not thinking too hard into it. She thinks she has a right to be there, but has to be subtle about it so the men at the station don't dismiss her as some feminazi. Why do you think it's A. A makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, she's not claiming it, she was sent there. Two, she doesn't see it as a privilege. Three, she believes she is entitled to it. How do you overlook all of these things?
| By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:00 pm: Edit |
Very interesting....I distinctly remember eliminating A as a choice right away on that question. It didn't make any sense. She was saying that she "felt like she was relative" or something like that. This would seem to intimate that she felt out of place and felt as if the system discriminated against her. She wasn't claiming that she was a relative, simply that the situation made her feel like one. Unless I read the question wrong, or missed something rather pivotal, I think choice A was wrong. I put choice I believe. Can anyone explain the context in which the question was phrased? Or perhaps the exact wording? I'd like to understand everyone's reasoning for choosing A.
| By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:00 pm: Edit |
Very interesting....I distinctly remember eliminating A as a choice right away on that question. It didn't make any sense. She was saying that she "felt like she was relative" or something like that. This would seem to intimate that she felt out of place and felt as if the system discriminated against her. She wasn't claiming that she was a relative, simply that the situation made her feel like one. Unless I read the question wrong, or missed something rather pivotal, I think choice A was wrong. I put choice I believe. Can anyone explain the context in which the question was phrased? Or perhaps the exact wording? I'd like to understand everyone's reasoning for choosing A.
| By Conngirl21 (Conngirl21) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:04 pm: Edit |
was the k/m = 1/2 or whatever in an experimental math section?
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:04 pm: Edit |
The reason I didn't pick C was b/c there wasn't anything in the passage which referred to her "putting on a facade." Throughout the passage, she discussed her feelings concerning the absence and mockery of women at BAS. Nowhere was mentioned about her pretending to act in a way she didn't feel. A was the best answer (though I wasn't so sure at first) b/c she CLAIMED a privilege (the passage talked about her being the first woman at BAS) she wasn't entitled to (the men there didn't feel women were entitled to be there).
| By Doerame (Doerame) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:06 pm: Edit |
I think that A is definitely the right answer. I do agree with slipstream to the extent that the first part of the passage implied that she didn't see it as a privelege. However, in the third and fourth paragraphs, she began to consider the other perspective and modified her belief. She DID acknowledge that she was up against "historical continuity" in the BAS and that she was trying to assume the role of a relative in a family, meaning that she didn't belong in the family but she invaded the atmosphere anyway.
I'm a fan of the majority
7-1 says A
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:08 pm: Edit |
umm... k/m = 1/2 is not in the experimental math section b/c I had that question, and my test had an experimental verbal one.
| By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:13 pm: Edit |
Yes, but the question was talking about her point of view specifically. Choice A cannot work because she felt, as Slipstream said, she was entitled to it. I got the distinct feeling as I was reading the passage, that she didn't take any action, or raise and clear objections against the lack of woman. Her public persona was different from her private feeling.
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:15 pm: Edit |
I may have picked A if it had said "She gains a right that the men didn't think she was entitled to" but I guess I just can't get past the "she isn't entitled to be at the base" part of the answer. Of course, I know that's what the men generally thought, but the choice just stated flat out that she was not entitled to it.
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:18 pm: Edit |
Like Obilisk said, all she said to the men was some remark like "why do they don't they want women" or something like that that was not confrontational or truly indicative of the offense she took at their misogynistic attitude.
| By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:21 pm: Edit |
Exactly Slipstream. I am virtually flattened by the consensus that A was the right answer. Normally I tend to agree with the majority, even when it's against my normal instincts, but in this case I just can't. I see virtually no justification for the idea that she felt she wasn't entitled to being a "member of the club". Yes, the men clearly thought she wasn't entitled, but she didn't. The whole point of the passage was her feeling that women had been unfairly discriminated against. Unless I somehow missed the entire point of the passage, I don't see how that can be the answer.
| By Elock (Elock) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:23 pm: Edit |
My vote goes to A
| By Bard (Bard) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:25 pm: Edit |
my vote is She claims a privilege she is not entitled to. But I dont think the choice was A.
| By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:29 pm: Edit |
Hmm. Well, I still see no justification for choice A, but I guess it doesn't matter much. Two wrong is still an 800.
| By Redbarn (Redbarn) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:31 pm: Edit |
Someone figure out what the original question was to the buoyancy:sink answer, because I had four maths, and I don't remember even seeing that as an option.
I am thinking, now, that it is possible that the original question was so obvious that those on the board who don't remember seeing buoyancy:sink didn't see it because they picked something else so quickly.
That being said, I am almost positive it never even showed up on my test.
| By Elock (Elock) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:31 pm: Edit |
That was A I believe.
She was there because she was a writer as the men said in the passage "We've never had a writer here before"...And because she is a woman and is there as a journalist, she has the privilege of being there but is not really entitled to it.
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:32 pm: Edit |
Let me go think for a day and I'll come back to refute you guys. A'ers army, no else willing to defend our cause against the tiny, but monolithic C'ers?
| By Athlonmj (Athlonmj) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:38 pm: Edit |
no point in defending, it's not like we can change our answer
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:40 pm: Edit |
^^^Elock, that is exactly the kind of reasoning that makes A INCORRECT. She strongly avers that she and all other women are entitled to be at that base. There was no stipulation in choice A that indicated that ONLY the men believed she was entitled to be there, which makes it incorrect.
I echo Obilisk's sentiment that two wrong (if ETS somehow construes A to be correct) will still net me an 800.
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:46 pm: Edit |
Slipstream99, no offense against your reasoning that choice C is correct... I truly respect the way you think. But I'm just curious, have you ever argued against the answer keys in 10 Reals, Kaplan, etc.? Have you ever found that the answer key was wrong?
| By Nobu (Nobu) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 03:53 pm: Edit |
it could still be choice E....since no one remembers. I forgot what I put.
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 04:00 pm: Edit |
athlonmj's always so pithy and pragmatic... but being pithy and pragmatic didn't drive the British away! Anyhow, you've got a point.
| By Geniezclone (Geniezclone) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 04:06 pm: Edit |
And the point--"no point in defending, it's not like we can change our answer"--virtually makes this thread seem useless.
| By Slipstream99 (Slipstream99) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 04:16 pm: Edit |
Geniezclone, I have argued against one or two sparknotes critical reading answers, I even emailed them and told them what I thought...I still haven't gotten a reply
In all seriousness, though, I have agreed with every single 10 Real SAT answer. If I get a critical reading question wrong on a 10 real, it is usually when I have narrowed it down to two choices and, after I find that I picked the incorrect one, I can clearly understand why the right answer is right. This is partly the cause for my complete rejection of A.
| By Obilisk18 (Obilisk18) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 04:20 pm: Edit |
I feel the same way as Slipstream. I've always, at least afterwards, come to agree with whatever answer 10 Reals decided was right. If A is right, it'd be the first time where I'd completely disagree. Now analogies are a different story...
| By Whightknight (Whightknight) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:51 pm: Edit |
I agree with Slipstream and Obilisk. I put down C, and A makes absolutely no sense. The correct answer is C. You have to view the passage as a whole and look at the point.
| By Netmet (Netmet) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit |
" ^^^Elock, that is exactly the kind of reasoning that makes A INCORRECT. She strongly avers that she and all other women are entitled to be at that base. There was no stipulation in choice A that indicated that ONLY the men believed she was entitled to be there, which makes it incorrect. "
Okay, I think you guys favoring C are misinterpreting the meaning of the question. First it had the quote that she felt like she was in a family house but not the relative. Then, although, I do not remember the exact question, it asked about how she FELT, not what she BELIEVED. Therefore, just like a non-relative in a family house would feel like they are taking a privilege they are not entitled to, this woman, alienated by these men, FELT like she was taking a privilege she wasn't entitled to, even though she BELIEVED she was entitled to that privlege. You need to look at the question holistically and based on the feelings the men were making her feel, rather than solely based on the beliefs of equality she professes.
| By Jaredthegreat (Jaredthegreat) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 06:48 pm: Edit |
She didn't say she felt like a relative. She said she felt like she was PRETENDING to be a relative. That's why the answer was A, that she is claiming a privilege to which she is not entitled.
| By Briansee (Briansee) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 06:53 pm: Edit |
Is it possible for people to have questions from their experimental section count as part of the real score in another person's test?
| By Wuballa (Wuballa) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 07:19 pm: Edit |
Ok This is my reasoning for putting monarchy:Ruler instead of meritocracy:Whatever
This maybe hard to believe buy a few daysbefore the SAT test, I was taking a practice test on my Kaplan CD, and I had the EXACT same analogy. Im talking EXACT same. It went Plutocracy:Wealth as.....
And the answer was Monarchy: Sovereign.
Sovereign means the same thing as ruler....so... I hope that is right.
| By Poop (Poop) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 07:30 pm: Edit |
hey is the cone question experimental with one height 3 and the other 8 and u had to find the ratio of the radiuses
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