Presidential Scholar??





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By Needhelp06 (Needhelp06) on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 06:16 pm: Edit

Hey, I was wondering, would a 1590 on the SAT qualify me for the 1st cutoff of the Presidential Scholars program? I was curious because Illinois is a pretty competitve state and so I know that a 1600 will get you in, but a 1580 is too low, but is a 1590 ok? What was Illinois' cutoff last year? Thanks.

By Needhelp06 (Needhelp06) on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 10:28 pm: Edit

well i doubt many people will be able to tell me so another question: what else do they consider for presidential scholars besides standarized test scores? if they count gpa do they consider what kind of school you go to and what difficulty of classes you took? Thanks again.

By Vtoodler (Vtoodler) on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 10:42 pm: Edit

I think that a 1590 is fine. Remember that they take the 30 highest scores from each state. I doubt that 30 people will score a 1600.

By Needhelp06 (Needhelp06) on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 12:29 am: Edit

oh, I didnt know that. thanks vtoodler. if there are 20 1600's, and say 20 1590's, ohw to they narrow it down to 30 people? Thanks.

By H0peful (H0peful) on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 12:34 am: Edit

Basically, they would take all 40 of the 1590/1600 people for the first cut Needhelp. I would guess 1590 would cut it probably...1590 was the cut for Virginia this year.

By Chrisq (Chrisq) on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 12:41 am: Edit

Needhelp06: are you a male or a female? They take 30 males and 30 females per state. If you are female, the cut is probably 10 points lower, because there are fewer females who score in the 1600 range. Apropos the rest of the application process: I think GPA, AP scores, and the numerous (and I mean numerous) essays determine whether or not you will advance. The application forms give you an insane amount of white space to write the essays. I used about half of the space and ended up writing over 2000 words. And you don't get anything for being a semi-finalist (that's how far I made it). Only the scholars get anything special, and there are only two of those per state. I was from Texas, so that hurt my chances a lot. It's a lot of work, but it comes after college applications and before AP testing, so it's not too bad in terms of the timing.

By Jaug1 (Jaug1) on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 01:46 am: Edit

A student from my school just won that honor this year. I live in California (probably the most competitive state? correct me if I'm wrong). Besides grades and SAT's (he had straight A's and 1600) they look at other things. This student was school president, head of 3 committees, but MOST IMPORTANT was this...he discovered his own protein last summer...yes you do see clearly...his own, brand new, protein.

Thats what he got. Best of luck to all.

By Delacroix (Delacroix) on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 11:14 am: Edit

Isn't it the top 20 males and 20 females in the state for the first cut off?

By Needhelp06 (Needhelp06) on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 06:31 pm: Edit

yeah actually i think it is the top 20 males and top 20 females. Im a male from Illinois, last year 57 people from Illinois made it to the semifinals.

By Vtoodler (Vtoodler) on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 07:10 pm: Edit

Sorry Needhelp I meant to say the top 30 males and females in every state.
Here's how the program works
1. first, they take the top 30 males and females

2. Then they narrow it down to 20 males and females. But it can be more than 20 if a tie should occur.

3. Then they narrow it down even more using essays, transcripts, etc.

taken from: http://www.ed.gov/programs/psp/select.html

By Chrisq (Chrisq) on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 04:12 am: Edit

Needhelp06: Yeah, it is top 20 males and top 20 females, my mistake. Also, Illinois had 57 candidates, but only 19 semifinalists. There is a level in between candidate and scholar that is called "semifinalist." Sadly, you don't get anything for being a semifinalist other than the title.

By Needhelp06 (Needhelp06) on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 05:50 pm: Edit

do all semifinalist's have 1600's?

By Sarasote (Sarasote) on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 05:57 pm: Edit

no. my school had 2 winners, one with a 1560, one with a 1570

By Needhelp06 (Needhelp06) on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 08:05 pm: Edit

what were theyre gpa's like? what is the criteria for cutting people between candidacy and semifinalist stage?

By Shizpit (Shizpit) on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 11:06 pm: Edit

sarasote what state do u live in? thats pretty low i thought louisiana's was 1580 which i thought was low

By Shizpit (Shizpit) on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 11:46 pm: Edit

have the 2004 scholars been announced yet if so please post link and if anyone knows the link to the page of cutoff scores per state please post also if u can thanx in advance

By Ilovefood (Ilovefood) on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 12:36 pm: Edit

http://www.ed.gov/programs/psp/awards.html

By Needhelp06 (Needhelp06) on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 04:34 pm: Edit

how come there are more than 2 scholars for some states?

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 10:42 pm: Edit

This unequal "by states" thing is pure bull****, IMO.

Sucks for us Californians -_-


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