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A. What did you think of the test?

B. How exactly do the scores work out? (One score based on total percentage, and then AB subscore for AB material performance, or is it one score based on the BC stuff only and one on the AB)

C. Can you choose to cancel one of your subscores?

By Sherwin (Sherwin) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 05:49 pm: Edit

THIS TEST WAS IMPOSSIBLE. And I felt quite well prepared, yet I did the BC portion independent study (but they AB material on the test was highly convuluted). The MC was okay, but I mean the test had Logistical Differential equations on it!

By Foundnemo (Foundnemo) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 05:53 pm: Edit

A. holy .... crap. not even the practice test from 20 years ago was this hard. I'm bad at parametric functions, and our class never reached series -> couldn't do half the test. I thought I could make up the mistakes I made in the multiple choice (I wasn't keeping track of time and time was called before I could bubble several answers) with the free response but .... WHAT WAS THAT.


C. subscores? Do you mean the entire test or a portion? You can't cancel just a portion of the test.

By Vinny919 (Vinny919) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 05:58 pm: Edit

How does the curve work? I felt this year's free repsonse questions were much harder than previous years', so people will naturally do worse. Is the curve preset or not?

By Mariefrance (Mariefrance) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:03 pm: Edit

Oh my god.

What WAS that?

I did alright on the MC - enough to put me on track for a 5, I think.

The free response.

Oh my god.

I wanted to die. I've gotten 5s on seven AP exams so far - including the French language and French literature exams. (I'm French, so take that with a grain of salt.)

Ugh. What do you think the cutoff will be for 4s and 5s this year?

I'd rather cancel than get a black mark (a 3) on my record.

By Anubhavi25 (Anubhavi25) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:05 pm: Edit

omg couldn't remember the logistic differential equation (btw it's y = A/(1+ce^-Akt) given the differential eqn y' = ky(A-y) ). I also didn't use chain rule on #6, so that might cost me a few pts. But yea there should be a huge curve on this.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:09 pm: Edit

The multiple choice was easier than past practice tests.

The free response...
Calculator section. All were easy except parts B and C on the area problem and one of the parts on the last question (accelereation vector). On the non calc sections, the logistic curves I had no freaking clue what to do. The Taylor series was some BS as well. Think I got a chance at a 4?

By Justice (Justice) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:12 pm: Edit

What are the cutoffs usually? like a 70/108? Does anyone know?

By Mariefrance (Mariefrance) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:14 pm: Edit

How do they calculate the MC score? Is there a multiplier given that there are only 45 questions?

Yes, 65-70/108 usually cuts a 5, but I'm afraid that won't be nearly enough for me this year.

By Chrisk (Chrisk) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:14 pm: Edit

Remember, no specifics, but yeah, I also agree...

My teacher has given us every released BC exam free response and multiple choice section... i've done every one, and none of the FR sections were even close to this hard (even though some questions of the past averaged 1 point out of 9 or so, i still thought this was harder).

I also independently prepared most of the BC material... what preparation did you use, Sherwin? I used cliff's calculus, and i have to say that it's the worst piece of garbage that has ever been published... there are typos on every page, formulas mistyped, solutions missolved... ugh! thanks, cliff's

By Chrisk (Chrisk) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:15 pm: Edit

yes, the multiplier for MC is 1.2, and for FR it's just 1

By Vayne (Vayne) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:18 pm: Edit

ok so... i thought i was doing pretty good on the MC...not too hard...getting my hopes up...then BAM....the non-calculator FR questions were freakin crazy hard...i think i got only the first one right...

By Rsxman (Rsxman) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:26 pm: Edit

Is the calculus test like the AP chem test? Where if I make a mistake on part A but follow through with it throughout the entire problem I'll get credit for it as long as I do it right, just not full credit?

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:30 pm: Edit

Uh, cliffs is among the best calc ap prep book there is next to Arco. It has lots of explanations and typos are pretty uncommon.

As for the free response, some of them on this test were REALLY easy (i.e. the implicit differentiation one). However, the logistic growth was the hardest free reponse I've ever seen. Same with the last taylor ones. Others werent THAT bad.

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:36 pm: Edit

Edited for protection of user. See warnings on TOP of threads' selection page.
Trinity

By Chrisk (Chrisk) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but the College Board does monitor these posts, and some people's comments are a little specific. Remember, the actual contents of the FR can't be discussed for 48 hours. If i were you, I'd remove any specific references to the test by logging into "edit profile" and removing those references from my posts. After all, who would want to go through all of this just to get his/her scores invalidated.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:43 pm: Edit

For part a on the logistic curves, i tried taking the integrals but it never worked out so I just put infinity for both limits (random guessing), heh. Hopefully, that gets me a point.

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:44 pm: Edit

BTW, the barron book is crap.

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:49 pm: Edit

In class, I was able to solve it by isolating the P on one side and the t on the other side. The t side was easy but if you use partial fraction of the P side, you can solve it also.

As for the college board, there're at least hundreds of students with my name. There's no way will the collgeboard trace this back to me.

Tri N, if I understand you correctly, you decide to ignore CC requests and TCB warnings because you feel that TCB could not match your information with their files? That is NOT the point: you HAVE to abide by the rules endorsed by CC. As a side note, you should also consider that your posts might provide clues to anyone willing to spend the time to match records. For instance, how many of the students with identical names to yours were Quest scholars? Think about it!. Trinity

By Paulhomework (Paulhomework) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:52 pm: Edit

remember: u can never ever in ur life talk about the MC. if u do the college board's highly efficient method of preventing cheating (just look at SAT to see how effective it is) will be forever marred.

and, wait 48 before discussing FR or u will be shot.

I'm gonna take the Alternate BC exam b/c of a stupid IB physics exam that i had today.

By Sherwin (Sherwin) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:54 pm: Edit

I used my Calculus Book (Houghton Mifflin I think), Barron's Review, Princeton Review, and got a bit of help from a friend who took it last year.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:55 pm: Edit

After I told my calc teacher that CB doesnt want anyone talking about the FR/MC questions, his reponse was "**** that." Then we proceeded to have an in depth discussion for the entire class period about specific questions on the test.

By Wrathofgod64 (Wrathofgod64) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:13 pm: Edit

THAT WAS SO HARD. YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. btw, will the curve be easier this year since most people found 5 and 6 really tough? :-(

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:37 pm: Edit

Five and 6 were ridiculous.

I just chat with some of the BC kids from last year. Guess what? Taylor series and logistical differentiation weren't even on the tests.

BTW, I thought we need to know integration by part, integration by partial fraction, and convergence of series. There wasn't a single question on either of these topics. This is bs.

The average is going to be brutal.

By Ash (Ash) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:39 pm: Edit

Oh. my. God. That was the hardest test of my life. My past two AP exams were definitely not that hard and none of the practice tests, even the ones that were supposedly harder than the exam weren't enough. I got to the non-calculator part of the free-response and wanted to cry.

By Freak (Freak) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:44 pm: Edit

hey... do they mark off for part b, c, and d if those parts use your answer to a?

like, i know how to find the lagrange error bound. but... i used the maclaurin series instead of the taylor series. if you graph it on the calculator, both the maclaurin and the taylor series graph to the same thing if you add enough terms! but the degrees were different, so it screwed me up on the error question

By Rsxman (Rsxman) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:46 pm: Edit

Left 6 blank in all (MC part).

Answered all part II, BSed on like a third of it though. Hope thats not gunna kill my chances.

Also, we get partial credit for part IIs right, even with the wrong answer?

By Kousuke (Kousuke) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:47 pm: Edit

5{ not mistaken, you just got served my friend, abide by CB rules, or get owned, thats the way it is. by the way, is this the first year or second year of calculus that most of you took the BC test in? did all of you take the AB test last year?

By Tbone (Tbone) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:47 pm: Edit

Hey, for the logistic one, I didn't show my work for the first part because when I did, I ran out of room and had to erase it all, so I stated that it fit the equation that Anubhavi25 put up there and proceeded to solve the rest of the problem. Do you think I'll get the full credit for it or not?

By Freak (Freak) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:51 pm: Edit

um... most people take calc bc their FIRST year, although some do take AB first.

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:52 pm: Edit

Hm... I try for number 5 and six. I think I have 50% for number five and six. As for the rest of the FR, I think I have a 80+%.

I hope we get at least some credits for bs craps.

Oh, yeah, what's the difference between maclaurin series and taylor series? Our teacher didn't even cover maclaurin series and I thought maclaurin is the same as taylor series. I hope I will get credits for writing it as taylor series instead.

By Silmon77 (Silmon77) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:53 pm: Edit

I propose a toast to the King of Calculators, Vanquisher of Standardized Tests, Lord of the Integral and Derivative- the TI-89.I can't possibly see how any normal person can get a 4 or 5 without one (and on this test, more than a 1 or 2).

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:56 pm: Edit

yeah the 89 saved my ass on those integrals that would normally take forever

By Evil_Robot (Evil_Robot) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:56 pm: Edit

I managed to solve the logistical one but I forgot to keep the constant of integration in so I couldn't do anything about the limits . We did logistical diffeqs as one of our introductions to differential equations (my class do multivariable calc and diffeq/linear algebra: exactly 5% of which is on the BC test). Everything else was easy...well, except for the 1st multiple choice section (too much on series considering I haven't had series since last year and didn't think that anything was worth reviewing: I know my calculus pretty well).

And I had to go straight from CalcBC to an IB Philosophy exam which was as hellish as the Calc. I haven't eaten anything all day. Jeez, what a rough day.

Edit: TI-86 user here. 5 on AB without breaking a sweat last year .

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:56 pm: Edit

Hm, at my school, it's required that you must take AB before you take BC.

I took Calc 1 at Northwestern and receive a solid A for the class. I knew a lot about Calc 1 and thought that I'm set in BC. However, there're some topics that my teacher never covers in class. For example, I know how to do logistical differentiation and logistical integration but none of my friends had ever encountered these in AB. Finally, the problems they give us for the amount of time are ridiculous.

It took me about a while to figure out what to do with the logistical problem and you need a good 3-5 mins to solve it.

By Jollyapplepie (Jollyapplepie) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:59 pm: Edit

I was clueless about some parts of 5 and 6. and, since I spent most of my time on 5, I didn't have much time for 6, so I scribbled something that resembled a series. I hope I did well enough for a 5, though.

By Wrathofgod64 (Wrathofgod64) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:02 pm: Edit

lol tru dat Silmon. That ti-89 really helped me.

BTW, QUESTION: WHO DIDN'T FIND 5 OR 6 HARD ON FR

By Vartan (Vartan) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:05 pm: Edit

someone before had mentioned they wanted to cancel their AP test. Is that possible? Also, are AP scores like SAT scores in that they cannot be withheld or do you only let them appear if you choose to. As you can tell, I'm freaking out too because I totally bombed this test.

By Reality (Reality) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:05 pm: Edit

i thought i was really prepared as well, but.. 5&6.. uh oh i didn't leave them blank though! wooot. today sucked cuz i had to take a test during zero.. (7:00~7:50) and THEN go take the AP test.. err. then i left school cuz i get out early!

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:06 pm: Edit

Does anyone know the curve from last year?

I think it would soothe some of us if we know what to expect.

By Wrathofgod64 (Wrathofgod64) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:06 pm: Edit

for fr 6 part c, i put i love calculus after i wrote down my answer. Think i'll get a 5?

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:09 pm: Edit

yeah i started putting funny answers after I realizing I had almost no time left. One one of them asking for a lagrange remainder or something, i put "sure, why not"

By Dannyferizzle (Dannyferizzle) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:10 pm: Edit

I found them all straightforward

By Emmittsmith (Emmittsmith) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:31 pm: Edit

For those who asked:
The MacLaurin series is simply the Taylor series about 0.

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:36 pm: Edit

Yay, I got the MacLaurin question right.

By Sherwin (Sherwin) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:40 pm: Edit

I found some of FR 6 to be not that bad. I liked FR 1 and 3 (those were AB FRs). FR 5 is what everyone says it is and more...

One thing I didn't have a clue about that I should have was volumes involving cross-sections. Our teacher covered it after our volume test (never tested us on it), and by chance I was sick that day (which is rare considering I only missed 3 days this year)--then I never thought it would be a big deal or anything.

Unlike most my other AP classes, my calc teacher DID NOT teach to the test, she was a great teacher for actually teaching the subject of Calculus though.

By Mk1o3o (Mk1o3o) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:43 pm: Edit

i found number 3 free response hard. it contained some equation "y equals cos(t-squared) or something similar... and it gave the dx/dt. you were supposed find the position x. how do you do it??

By Vayne (Vayne) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:43 pm: Edit

darn..i just went through my notes for the logistics and taylor series......i feel sooo stupid now.........not only that but it turns out i was doing the logistics right but forgot to add + C when taking the integral and thats why i couldn't figure it out...i would have gotten some credit but guess what!!...I ERASED IT....darn damn lkjasdbak;c

By Kevinkleinz (Kevinkleinz) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:43 pm: Edit

5 and 6 weren't HORRIBLE...although 5 was certainly worse than 6.

But, consider this: even if you receive zero points on both 5 and 6, you can still get something like 15 MC questions wrong and get a five (assuming you get everything else right).

By Sherwin (Sherwin) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Sorry, I said 3 was easy, I meant 4 (FOUR), 3 was very hard for me as well. I thought I understood parametrics, but I think part (a) particularly was very strange since the integral of the function didn't seem like it could be expressed in terms of elementary functions.

By Nabo (Nabo) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:52 pm: Edit

just a question:

How does grading work for the people you didn't use those groovy ti-89 calculators? I essentially didnt use a calculator at all on the entire BC test. As a result, many of my answers were unwieldly and complex, like 4cos(3+pi)^2 rather than 2.3234 or something. [not referring to any particular question; just trying to give a sense of my responses].

also, for one question that required a calculator to get an answer, would i get partial credit for stating all work, minus the actual answer? ie plug this value into calc and you get a number that i will say is equal to "x". Then i use this sorta defined value "x" in other equations in later sections. [btw for this question, i believe the answer could have been approximated using a taylor series rather than integrating; was i expected to that instead?]


mea culpa mods if this is borderline breaking collegeboard's 48 hour NDA. feel free to snip snip away at your discretion

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:05 pm: Edit

Don't mind me asking but what methods did you guys use for number five when you have to integrate the dP/dt.

A lot of people said it's simple but I think the only solution to this is to do integration by partial fraction. BTW, I just check a website and that's how they reach their solution too.

By Nabo (Nabo) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:07 pm: Edit

i did it using partial fractions. Might be possible another way, but i certainly didnt see it while taking the test.

By Tri_N (Tri_N) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:09 pm: Edit

Nabo, that's what I thought too.

Hey, do they give us partial credit for having the correct path? When I figure out what to do, time was running out. It really sucks though because if I had an extra 5-7 mins, I would have gotten all of #5 right.

BTW, if the mods think that this is revealing too much, feel free to edit my posts.

Tri N, I am not sure if you paid close attention to the warnings on this site and to the policies of TCB printed on the tests. By now, most everyone seems to understand the meaning of TCB's message. It is YOUR responsibility to follow the rules. This is not a game where you push the limits -no pun intented- as far you can and hope to see moderators edit your posts and bail you out. You are posting at your own risk. Our job is to make sure everyone has seen the rules posted. I can only advise you to use extreme caution in your future posts and ask yourself if it is worth to discuss ANYTHING in the next two days. Moderator Trinity

By Sherwin (Sherwin) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:17 pm: Edit

Argh, I thought I should have used partial fractions, but it would have taken too long since I started doing #5 last...

By Reality (Reality) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:40 pm: Edit

Hey Tri N, do you have aim?

By Reality (Reality) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:40 pm: Edit

Hey Tri N, do you have aim?

By Njboe (Njboe) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 09:44 pm: Edit

i thought the multiple choice part A and part B were fairly straight forward. Free response questions were difficult. Didn't expect logistic growth to be on it...

By Mattlord (Mattlord) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:31 pm: Edit

will the college board post the FRQs on apcentral with the solutions after 48 hours?

If the usual curve for a 5 is 75+, would anyone agree that this curve may be 67-70+?

Score = 1.2 * (# correct MC - .25 * # wrong MC) + (number total points FR)

Max score = 1.2 * 45 + 9*6 = 54*2 = 108.

By Andrew123s (Andrew123s) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:41 pm: Edit

The usual curve is already in the mid-60s for a 5.

By Mattlord (Mattlord) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:50 pm: Edit

here is some info i found on the net regarding cutoffs:

1985 5 = 84 4 = 68 3 = 49 2 = 34
1988 5 = 83 4 = 68 3 = 48 2 = 32
1993 5 = 67 4 = 53 3 = 36 2 = 24
1997 5 = 72 4 = 56 3 = 39 2 = 25
1998 5 = 75 4 = 58 3 = 40 2 = 25

anyone think this year will be mid 60s? i really hope so....

By Sandy (Sandy) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 10:59 pm: Edit

Gosh, that test was damn hard! the practice tests were easy, but this test....M C were pretty okay, and the first 4 FR were of medium difficulty but the last 2---don't ask.

On the side, hi Jason. Haven't been here for a long time! How are you and where are you going to college?

By Andrew123s (Andrew123s) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:11 pm: Edit

Mattlord, I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. My teacher has the released 98 and 97 test with scales showing 65 and 66 respectively as 5s (and 54 for both as 4).

By Mattlord (Mattlord) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:15 pm: Edit

Thanks, Andrew123s. BTW, did your teacher actually show you those scores on the scoring worksheet? I just searched the net to find those scores above, so I they aren't that reliable.

Perhaps this year the curve will be close to 61-63. *claps hands* i wish we didn't have to wait until JULY to hear how we did... lol.

By Andrew123s (Andrew123s) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:18 pm: Edit

She read the 65-5 one to us, and I saw the other 66-5 in the booklet. For AB, it is more like low seventies. Again, don't take these as gospel, but I was always under the impression that it was somewhere in the mid to high sixties for a 5 (at least in 97 in 98). If anyone knew how it was in 02 and 03 that would be a better indicator.

By Guyute (Guyute) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:20 pm: Edit

wtf.

am i the only person who thought the test was really easy?

i skipped 2 on the multiple choice and am pretty confident on the others. just a few i was questioning

#5 part a and b i had no idea how to do. so i just put random answers. c and d were easy though because you could find Y(t)

#6 part c i just drew a squiggly line on because i never was able to figure out how to do the lagrange stuff

I did mess up on the rotating around y=2 one though. i kept getting a negative answer and then got an answer that was way too big. i had what i think might have been the correct answer at first though =\

it wasn't too bad at all for not studying...

but i will say that my school has a very strong math department (last year BC calc had 40% 5s, and 87% 4 or 5)

By Irock1ce (Irock1ce) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:23 pm: Edit

yes its usually around 65. Prob lower this year.. cuz the test was goddamn hard.

By Mattlord (Mattlord) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:32 pm: Edit

i thought the test was really easy too except for some parts on question 3 FR and some parts on questions 5,6 FR.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 11:45 pm: Edit

Hi Sandy! I started roaming the boards again recently because I have nothing better to do nowadays (2nd semester of senior year = major senioritis). I'm going to UC San Diego (electrical engineering). So how's life treating you?

By Original (Original) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 12:23 am: Edit

I thought the test was pretty difficult.

Regarding just a random test and not a specific exam that I may or may not have taken:

I thought that #6 (and 1,2, and 4) FR was really easy. #3 and #5 owned the hell outta me though.

By Tweaks (Tweaks) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 12:47 am: Edit

The test is scaled with the following:

1. Comparison of test groups -- this is done by retaining a few critical questions from year to year. If everyone got it right last year, but only 10% this year, then it's logical to conclude that there's a stupid group this year.

2. From here the curve is established so that if, for example, the test this year is abnormally hard and the group is smart, the curve will go way down.

I think I did okay but it's nice to hear that lots of people thought they did worse ...

By Stonedpanda (Stonedpanda) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 09:25 am: Edit

"I think I did okay but it's nice to hear that lots of people thought they did worse ..."

Hahahahahahaha. you're EVIL!!! =]~

By Sarasote (Sarasote) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 10:42 am: Edit

umm thats wrong cuz the past 5-8 years the cutoff has been around a 65

we took 6 practice APs in our class and they were all from 63-67. Last years cutoff was a 66

By Touky (Touky) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 12:15 pm: Edit

Hm, i dont think it was that bad.
I answered every part of every question and every MC and im pretty sure i did everything close to right or right.

By Sandy (Sandy) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 05:10 pm: Edit

"2nd semester of senior year = major senioritis"
So true!
Life has been good these days except this stupid BC test. Done with aps and with my major final exams. Graduation in 2 weeks and then I am headed to Rice! Hurray!

Sorry for going way off topic on this thread

By Sandy (Sandy) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 05:20 pm: Edit

UC San Diego! Kool! So staying in California for the next 4 years? That's good. Better than staying in Texas (like me). Hey, but don't mess with Texas!

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 06:11 pm: Edit

Lol. Good job on getting into Rice, that's damn good school, but you already know that. Lucky your graduation is in two weeks. I still have 2 more AP's and three weeks till graduation...ugh. Nice to talk to you again, Sandy

By Sandy (Sandy) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit

It is definitely nice to hear some familiar voices at CC. I am so darn bored. Good luck with your APs! You will do just fine!

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 06:59 pm: Edit

Still over-optimistic, eh Sandy? Next is Physics...very liitle chance I will pass it. Not a good weekend ahead of me...

By Theiceman (Theiceman) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:32 pm: Edit

The test was easy for me! But then again it's because I have no life and study math for a living (just kidding). I'm just a really good math student who qualified for AIME for the first time this year (Yay!) and wasted a year in Calc BC (when I really could've taken Multivariable Calc). Plus our teacher is really good as she almost had a year with a perfect 5 rate (only one student got a 4 that year - she didn't kill him/her though). And previously in our school history we had a Calc BC teacher who won the National Teaching Award and met President Ronald Reagan (he's retired now though). The only question I had trouble with in the free response was #6 but that's because I spent so much time solving the first differential equation in #5 with the different initial conditions when I could've just programmed the formula into my calculator and recognized the limit. Oh well! My teacher definitely believes that I'll get a 5 which I also believe too.

By Yertle (Yertle) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:32 pm: Edit

I thought the logistics were a piece of cake. I had studied that part of the Barron's book and it was really easy. You didn't really have to solve anything; just use common sense and know the general equation.

By Wunderbar (Wunderbar) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:39 pm: Edit

if you knew it, it would obviously be easy. as it so happens my teacher taught us partial fractions integration today for the first time. good timing, no?

By Yertle (Yertle) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:41 pm: Edit

Well, of course, but when I took the Barron's practice tests (which really stink, btw), every single question was like that. Also, there was a question on one of our College Board practice tests. So, I told myself it would definitely be on the test and it was.

It seems to be one of the College Boards new additions, along with Euler's method.

By Godilali (Godilali) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 09:46 pm: Edit

What's the point of using a Ti-89. It does like all the work for you.

By Starbucks (Starbucks) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 04:18 pm: Edit

k guys now we can actually *talk* about the test!

By Terpfan101 (Terpfan101) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 05:50 pm: Edit

Yes i also thought 3 was hard, at first i was like hmmm what do i do first. then i did something but dont think it was right. I am pretty confident about 1,2,and 4. number 5 i put 12 as the answer to all of the limits because it was the carrying capactiy. Yes i couldnt believe they had logistics. I sorta could do it like with the partial fractions and all but didnt get what theyw ere asking. I knew how to do it well back in february or so when we did differentials, ugh. Oh well. And I THOUGHT THE SAME THING AFTERWARDS LIKE WHOA THERE WERENT ANY INTEGRATION BY PARTS BUT IT TURNS OUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE PR BOOK AFTER INTEGRATION BY PARTS IS USED TO DO THE INTEGRALS OF INVERSE TRIG FUNCTIONS.

By Justice (Justice) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 06:03 pm: Edit

"What's the point of using a Ti-89. It does like all the work for you."

I think you answered your own question.

By Chrisk (Chrisk) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 11:28 pm: Edit

How many of the people here are Juniors, just out of curiosity?

By Bluebaron1616 (Bluebaron1616) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 11:49 am: Edit

MOst are Juniors.

Hey, since this is after 48hrs, are we allowed to discuss the FR now?

By Dannyferizzle (Dannyferizzle) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 11:55 am: Edit

theiceman, question 6 was really easy--you definitely aren't as smart as you say you are.

By Theiceman (Theiceman) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 03:56 pm: Edit

The concepts weren't hard, but I was just short on time (the proctor said 5 mins. left when I was done with #5). Anyway, I have redone the problem now and easily got the right answers. I guess testing conditions change your normal train of thought.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 04:08 pm: Edit

most are probably seniors.

By Sandy (Sandy) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 05:46 pm: Edit

Ah, just can't seem to tame my over-optimistic nature. I think that most are seniors but I could be wrong.

By 2bad4u (2bad4u) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 07:14 pm: Edit

"I thought the logistics were a piece of cake. I had studied that part of the Barron's book and it was really easy. You didn't really have to solve anything; just use common sense and know the general equation. "

Obviously easy if you remember the formula and just plug in values. That's why people who memorize enough formulas do well do they don't have common sense or "know" calculus.Test was straightforward with a curveball #5 a/b that if derived through partial fractions using common sense rather than memory probably wouldn't give enough time for 6

By Hackvet (Hackvet) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 12:17 am: Edit

bump