2004 AIME discussion





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By Danielsjang (Danielsjang) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 03:44 pm: Edit

I don't know if we're allowed to start talking about the AIME that people took today, but if we can, here it is!
Idk about you guys, but I thought it was easier than all other AIME's???

By Texas137 (Texas137) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 03:51 pm: Edit

DON'T talk about specific problems/solutions until Wed am (remember Hawaii's time zone)

By Juice (Juice) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 04:52 pm: Edit

i messed up on 3 'easy' ones... will be lucky to get a 6 this year :-\

i also spend 45 min on 1 problem and got 1322 <- dang not in the int range :(

By Bobbyd (Bobbyd) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 05:23 pm: Edit

The AIME seemed easier than normal in comparison to the last few years to me as well.

By Kevinkleinz (Kevinkleinz) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 05:37 pm: Edit

I agree.

By Interesting_Mov (Interesting_Mov) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 05:44 pm: Edit

Yikes, I thought it was pretty hard. I missed a really stupid question, so the best I can get now is a 9 :(.

By Webhappy2 (Webhappy2) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 06:54 pm: Edit

WTF? I thought it was much harder than last year... alright, I think it's official, *I* have become dumber the past year.

I got 3 probably. OUCH!

By Feuler (Feuler) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 07:19 pm: Edit

The exam seemed easier to me, but I kind of blew it... I solved 14 problems in the correct way but make careless errors on at least 4, so the best I can get is a 10. Hopefully there weren't any other errors... A 10 should be good enough for USAMO (unless the exam really was easier this year), but it's quite a fall from my 13 last year. Luckily MOSP is based mainly on USAMO, so hopefully I'll still make it back...

By Jimjunior (Jimjunior) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 08:52 pm: Edit

wow that is very impressive. May I ask which one you didnt solve?
I solved 11 and I only know of one that I messed up (although I am sure there were others). I would be very happy with a 10

By Danielsjang (Danielsjang) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 08:20 am: Edit

i solved 11 too...!
do any of you guys know the answers to any of them?

By Frozentears801 (Frozentears801) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 04:42 pm: Edit

wow... I really am stupid. I solved like 5 and got 3. Well that's what I get for studying only 3 days. I didn't even know what the AMC12 and AIME were until a week after I'd taken the AMC12.

By Eastsoldier (Eastsoldier) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 05:29 pm: Edit

You guys SERIOUSLY make me lose my confidence
and i was thinking of a CHANCE of going USAMO

I passed AMC12 w/ 109 and
probably got 4 right in AIME

and I heard it was getting easier, too
(since like last year)

By Texas137 (Texas137) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 05:47 pm: Edit

Eastsoldier - your USAMO index is 149 (109 + 10 times 4). Jrs/srs generally need a USAMO index of 210-220 to qualify (last year it was closer to 230). 10th grade and below can qualify with a lower index if they have the AIME floor score. That score varies, but in the past 4 years it has been 8, 7, 7, 6.

If you a female from a mathematically underdeveloped state, none of this applies. The top female and top male from each state (and territory?) are invited to take the USAMO regardless of their score on AIME.

By Bobbyd (Bobbyd) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 06:46 pm: Edit

Search art of problem solving on Google if you are really interested in this stuff.

By Eastsoldier (Eastsoldier) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 07:02 pm: Edit

210-220 ?!

wow...

So the index thing is AMC score + AIME score*10?

Basically, you have to get 130+ and 9+ ...

... right now I just wish I was a female

Well, I have to blame myself because I'm the one who didn't study at all. I'm sure you guys started studying math competitions long time ago. I think it's about experience to do good. (I'll do better, hopefully.) And I was proud of being a school winner for a minute...

By Texas137 (Texas137) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 07:28 pm: Edit

>"Basically, you have to get 130+ and 9+ ... "

Basically. The bottom jr/sr (who sets the AIME floor for gr. 10 and below) will have a 140-150, and a 6-8.

It's hard to qualify for the USAMO. That's why there are only 250-300 people who do it every year.

By Texas137 (Texas137) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 08:14 pm: Edit

correction - woops, I'm wrong about the top male and female from each state. I'm mixing it up with the rules for something else (maybe those Akamai high scorer awards in 2002?)It's just top student. Here's the fine print:

"The student with the highest USAMO index from each state, territory, or U.S. possession not already represented in the selection of the first and second groups will be invited to take the USAMO."

By Feuler (Feuler) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 10:22 pm: Edit

In response to Jimjunior's question (I didn't answer before in case I am not supposed to discuss stuff), the one I didn't get was 15. I made careless errors on 1, 6, 11, and 12. It appears from the AoPS board that I didn't miss any others.

By Freakofnature (Freakofnature) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 01:14 am: Edit

Am i allowed to list the answers i got?

By Texas137 (Texas137) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:04 am: Edit

yes, everyone can talk about it now. Here's an unofficial key from the Art of Problem Solving website:

1: 217
2: 201
3: 241
4: 086
5: 849
6: 882
7: 588
8: 199
9: 035
10: 817
11: 512
12: 014
13: 482
14: 813
15: 511

By Aus10 (Aus10) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 10:47 pm: Edit

So according to that key I got a zero. I put 218 instead of 217 for the first one and was pretty far off for all the rest. Should I start feeling horribly depressed right now? It was the first time that I qualified to take the AIME so I guess I can take consolation in that.

By Ubercollegeman (Ubercollegeman) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 10:49 pm: Edit

Aus10, a bunch of people get 0 every year, and at many schools, there aren't ANY AIME qualifiers whatsoever. The mean top score is around 109, so if you got 100+, that's already pretty good. Don't feel too bad :).

By Eastsoldier (Eastsoldier) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 08:57 am: Edit

Less than 15,000 students qualified for AIME(this year's stat) and 250-300 students qualified for USAMO (quoting Texas137).
If you are serious about this test and want to use it as an advantage, you can study for next year. (that is, if you are jr.)

15,000 nationwide is not so bad, but less than 500 is significant
(only that too many people here are smart to go there; While I'm NOT)

So I'm aiming for USAMO next year. Finally I'm done blaming myself for this year's test, hopefully.

By Oasis (Oasis) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 09:33 am: Edit

"The student with the highest USAMO index from each state, territory, or U.S. possession not already represented in the selection of the first and second groups will be invited to take the USAMO."

What about overseas US citizens who qualify?

By Texas137 (Texas137) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 11:54 am: Edit

>"What about overseas US citizens who qualify?"

I dunno. Shovel through the website and see if you can find something. If not, send them an email and ask.
http://www.unl.edu/amc/

By Karen182 (Karen182) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 05:29 pm: Edit

Hey, i forgot to take the test completely, so beat that!

It was scheduled for after school, and i was halfway home before i realized i was supposed to be taking it. Oops.

Oh well, i would have been lucky to get 5.

By Texas137 (Texas137) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 07:44 pm: Edit

Karen - is there any chance you could get in on the alternate date April 6th? If you are below senior, it would be worth your while.

By Karen182 (Karen182) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 02:42 pm: Edit

I'm a senior, so I don't really think it's that big of a deal. It was just for fun, in my case. Thanks though.

By Aus10 (Aus10) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 05:50 pm: Edit

Thanks Ubercollegeman. Eastsoldier, I'm a senior but do people really study for this thing? I got a 108 on the AMC 12 which is nice but I guess it doesn't matter at all since I'm a senior. I wish I could have put it on my MIT app because it actually has a place to list AMC and AIME scores.

By Willothewisp (Willothewisp) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 06:36 pm: Edit

Feuler: wow, there's someone else complaining about a 10! I can do it too now. I need to relearn addition, I missed 11 and 14 because I couldn't add. I almost got there on 14 and then for some reason got 750+60+3=814. And then I also missed 2. Agh. I have no chance whatsoever of making MOSP though. If you're good at olympiad problems, I bow to you.

I thought this AIME was way too easy mathematically, rather too hard to read. I'm assuming they have to make convoluted problems because after 50 or so years of math contest archives, there are no new simple but hard problems.


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