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By mc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 12:18 pm: Edit

post everything you remember, your thoughts, your problems with the test etc..

i personally believe i got a 600/700 at the least.

thought it was uncharacteristically hard compared to last years january test and november test.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:02 pm: Edit

I was just told by a european friend that the word "Byzantine" showed up on a test in Europe. The scary part is that the word could have just as easily shown up on a test HERE, and it never appears on a vocab list out there.

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

I took the same test that he did here in the United States, and yes, it did have the word Byzantine. (I missed that one.)

By ash on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

Byzantine was on the test in the US. I've never heard it used in that way before. Also, what I believe to be experimental section, the one about art and aethetics, was insanely hard to figure out.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:27 pm: Edit

What was the context of the word "Byzantine" on the test?

By cam on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:36 pm: Edit

byzantine wasn't the answer, atleast i'm pretty sure. It was in an analogy, thats all i remember.

By ABC on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:42 pm: Edit

Ouch, some of that verbal seems rough. Hope you guys did well anyway! :-)

BTW- Does anybody know what the WRITING SAT II essay topic was?

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:43 pm: Edit

Yes, it is the answer!!! And it was on sentence completion. In general, the sentence was "The computer program was so ____ that only the most____ players can win" I guessed the pair "byzantine-adroit" and the meaning of byzantine is "excessively complicated" and adroit is "skilful"

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:50 pm: Edit

If what Musketeerlady says is the question, then i know for a fact that he's right; there couldnt possibly be a better answer choice. Congrats Musk, i hope you did well (actually, i hope you all did very well ).

But Musketeerlady, do you at least remember any of the other answer choices?? Just curious, because i want to see if i would have gotten that q correct.

Also, do you ppl know any other hard vocab that appeared on the test?

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:51 pm: Edit

I agree that the section about art was difficult, but I thought it was nothing compared to the one about the Italian man who cuts off his beard and discovers his "new self". I was hoping that, somehow, THAT section was the experimental part.

By bump on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:56 pm: Edit

bumb

By bump on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:01 pm: Edit

bump

By Brian on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:11 pm: Edit

what do they mean by a positive integer, like on today's SAT?

in the problem 2x + 3y < 6, how many ordered pairs (x,y) of positive integers satisfy the equation

any thoughts on the verbal??

By mc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:14 pm: Edit

the answer my friend is 2. there are only two different ordered pairs (1,2) and (2,1) that satisfy that.

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:15 pm: Edit

sorry incognito, i do not remember any other choice. i do remember some vocab words, but on the verge of suspicion about cheating on timezone (the posts are on a different discussions) I would restrain my desire to share at least until Monday. If you really want to know, you can email me. And by the way, that's a she.

By Brian on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:16 pm: Edit

i thought it was 3 pairs (1,1) (1,2) and (2,1)

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit

How can (2,1) and (1,2) work?
2*2 + 3*1 = 4+3=7 >6
2*1 + 3*2 = 2+6=8 >6

Is that right or am I going crazy here?

By Sultry Sandra on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit

does anyone remember answers from the reading passages? the music one was the most difficult, i thought? what was your answer for the author's tone in that passage?

By KC on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:21 pm: Edit

oh, yeah, lol, i remembered answering just (1,1) and thinking i got it wrong.. is it just one pair then?

By mc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:21 pm: Edit

u are correct... the answer is 1. In my defense, i didnt take the SAT today and just merely glanced at the question. I have a question tho... where did that question appear in the math sections?????

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:27 pm: Edit

I agree the music one was hard - but I love that story though (if you are talking about the cello girl and the cool guy). If so, I don't remember any question asking about the tone. Is there?

By mc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:28 pm: Edit

where did the question 2x+3y<6 appear in the math sections? what number i forgot

By Expataznamerica (Expataznamerica) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:29 pm: Edit

I think it was one, the only trouble was if i could have x=1 and y=1 also.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:37 pm: Edit

Ok ok ok. The answer is one. Period. The only solution is (1,1). Nothing else works. Just try it. It couldnt be very hard, but it sounds like most of you ppl got it right, so congrats.

PPl, perhaps we should wait w/these questions until different timezones have taken the test; otherwise, THEY can cheat by viewing this message board.

Musketeerlady, i cant email you: i dont know your address. you dont have to post it if you dont want to: i can wait till monday, considering my strong hatred for anybody who actually cheats on the SAT.

By Expataznamerica (Expataznamerica) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:43 pm: Edit

Only people left are Hawaii and Alaska

By Paul on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:44 pm: Edit

No..the answer is 2. The ordered pairs (0,1) and (1,2) both work.

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:46 pm: Edit

incognito, if you just click on my name above this message, you'll get my email.

People, according to what I read here, we are all very anxious about our tests, and some of us apparently have tried very hard to do well on it. But there's a concern whether we are cheating ourselves by ignorantly benefit others who haven't taken the test yet. Go to the Jan.25 Sat I discussion - there might be a new way to cheat - and we are helping them to parasite on ourselves.

I ask you to please hold your anxiety and curiosity at least until Monday - or better Tuesday, when we are sure that every possible person in this world has taken the SAT before posting questions up here. Thank you.

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:49 pm: Edit

Oh, I just remembered, I hope you all didn't fall for one of the oldest trick in ETS' book, in the quantitative comparison section ... It showed the pie graphs of the U.S. expenditures for 1995 and 2000; it asked for which one had the greater defense expenditure... but you couldn't tell, the answer was 'D'; the graph only showed you which *portion* of the *total* expenditure went to defense.

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:49 pm: Edit

0 is not a positive interger. Positive intergers start at 1.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:52 pm: Edit

NO NO NO, Paul,
0 is not a POSITIVE NUMBER, so (0,1) cannot be a posible solution

And
As for the pair (1,2), It cannot work
2(1)+3(2) = 2+6=8>6. It doesnt work

Can we get off this question?

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:57 pm: Edit

Musketeerlady: I completely understand your concern, but ETS knows what it's doing. Those on the East Coast *do* have a different test than those on the West. And the person in Europe, although in a different time zone, took the test at the same time we did... In other words, ours started at 8 and his started at 1. So you have nothing to worry about. Let's feel free to talk about the test, folks.

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 02:58 pm: Edit

mc, you said you didn't take the test, but then on the first post, you said "I personally think I got at least 600/700" and "this one was harder than last year." Which one is the truth?

I did not mean to target you, but it striked me odds, and in the heat of discussion about cheating, I want to straighten this up.

By Matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:01 pm: Edit

Hi,

I just had four verbal sections, and I believe the one with the passage about the man shaving his beard is experimental. Usually there is one ~36 question section, one ~30, and one ~12. There were two 36 question verbal sections, the first and the fourth. My guess is that the ETS would not put an experimental section right at the beginning. Anyone have any thoughts?

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:01 pm: Edit

No, it asked flor how many sets of positive integers work (greater than 0).

Incognito, the ETS folks are not stupid, they use different tests for different time zones, and I despise people who cheat on the SAT as well .

I had trouble with the anologies for some reason in the verbal section continaing the bearded guy... What was the answer to the following analogy questions:

catylist: facilitates,

I put antidote: counter

Also, there was a particular question that asked

_____???______:letters

I put _______: papers (I don't remember the first words...

And for the anology:

tape recorder:voice,

was the answer copy machine: paper (none of the other answers made sense, the next best choice was telephone: voice)

Finally, for the analogies, there was a question that said

painging: exhibet,

I put the answer was poetry: reading,

I know that this is a very weak anaology, but poetry:reading was the best choice. A reading is similar to an exhibition (coffee houses for example).

For the wierd music passage... why did the friends refer to the statement, "you should play some hot duets..." was it because of a change in the view of the passage?

Also, for the art passage, the question that asked how the auther views the people who don't understand art, was the correct answer condescendingly tolerant?

Finally, for the war passages, does anybody remember the answers to the last two questions? One asked what is the similarities between the two passages, and the other asked what was the similarities between two types of literary works. Also, why were women "gloating," was the answer, the fact that women were gaining more opportunities while the men were off at war?

Also, does anybody want to take a stab at which verbal section was the experimental one? It for sure can't be the war passage, as there is at least one double reading passage on the SAT. I had sooooooooooo much trouble with the bearded guy section...

Thanks

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:02 pm: Edit

are you sure, jon? do you have evidences that it really works that way? sorry if I seem so cynical here, but like everyone else, I have worked so hard, and I would really regret if I harm myself just by not being able to hold my tongue.

If it's as you said, I am very glad. I do hope the College Board, with all the tricks they master, does not backlash themselves

By jansatquestions on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:10 pm: Edit

i thought the tone for the art passage was generally indifferent... and the analogy about tape recorder: voice, i put camera: images (the first records the second) and the painting:exhibit i think i put something valuables:vault because you find paintings in an exhibit and valuables in a vault. one question, does anyone know the answer to the sentence completion about ants and termites nests being high in the forest?

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:11 pm: Edit

Nearly ever single one of my answers was different from yours, sorry to say FutureDoc. But I don't remember what the correct answers were... I do remember though, that the author was not "condescendingly tolerant" towards those who don't understand modern art, but rather, "generally indifferent."

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:13 pm: Edit

jansatquestions: There was some other choice besides camera: images that I put for the analogy about the tape recorder. The answer to painting:exhibit could not be valuables:vault because an exhibit does not necessarily hold paintings... a vault ALWAYS holds valuables.

The answer to the ants and termites was "conspicuous".

By help!! on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:15 pm: Edit

i have a math question. what did you get for the one about the girl buying 4 cd's for 10 dollars and selling for 5 for 15 dollars (how many cds does she have to sell to get a profit of 60 dollars?)? and what was your answer for the last grid- in with the circles in the rectangles and you have to find out what the number is?

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:15 pm: Edit

There were quite a few 'trick' analogies on this test... among others was:

Rejuventated is to young as ... "Heal is to sound".

By nick on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:20 pm: Edit

the circles/rectangles was 1030 and cd's was 120 i believe

By Matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:30 pm: Edit

Yes, the grid ins were 1030 and 120. As for the painting: exhibit. I believe the correct answer was poetry:reading (B is a display of artwork A). As for the art passage, I think the tone was "condescendingly tolerant," as the author clearly is partial to modern art.
One question, was the bearded man "undirected" or "indolent"?

By Rich on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 03:40 pm: Edit

he was undirected because he had nothing else to do, not directed to do anything.. but he wasn't really lazy

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:14 pm: Edit

Thank you matt, I had the same answers as you... For the one question that asked about the music guy... what did the "shades" under the skin mean? I though that it meant that he was complicated? Also, did the fact that the girl observed all these shades indicate that she was somewhat obsessed with him?

Also, for the analogy that asked

tape recorder: voice,

What was the answer, I was thinking that a tape recorder records a voice just as a photocopier records/copies a piece of paper?

Thanks...

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:18 pm: Edit

Camera:images had to be the answer, FutureDoc. Because although you are right, a Tape recorder IS A MACHINE OR DEVICE THAT IS USED TO COPY OR RECORD A VOICE just as a camera is A MACHINE OR DEVICE THAT IS USED TO COPY OR RECORD IMAGES

Either way, one wrong analogy cant hurt much

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:19 pm: Edit

MusketeerLady, i really dont think that they give the same test internationally. The CB coulnt possibly be THAT stupid

By Rich on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:20 pm: Edit

i put more complicated for the spirals one too but that was a weird question and I didn't really know

By qu1x on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:21 pm: Edit

For the question about the 5 person family who each need a water bottle for a 4 day trip and the bottles come in packs of 3, how many packs do they need to buy? what is the correct answer for the grid in?

I know the exact answer is 20/3 but i put 7 because you need 7 packs.

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:21 pm: Edit

Thank you incognito, can you please answer my other questions? I am so worried! I was sick today and forced myself to take the test. I may have to cancel my scores if I don't get a confidence booster!

By Boris on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:23 pm: Edit

What was the answer to the problem which asked for the difference in perimeter between the two triangles?

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:24 pm: Edit

qu1x, you are correct

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:25 pm: Edit

Boris, I believe that the answer was 6 (one of the triangles was 15, and the other 21).

By qu1x on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:26 pm: Edit

good =)

another grid in.. the number line with sqaure root of x on the 6th position of nine, was the answer 4/9?

By olive oil on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:26 pm: Edit

what was SHEAF:PAPERS

I put DECK:CARDS

one of the other choices was ENVELOPE:LETTERS
i dont remember any other choices

what do you think?

By quesiton on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:27 pm: Edit

does anyone know the right answer to the question that said for positive k, how many values of k could k/15 have a remainder 3

i thought that it could be 2 because 3/15 and 18/15 both have remainder 3

By olive oil on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:27 pm: Edit

quix ~ i got 4/9 also

By Mitwannabe (Mitwannabe) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:29 pm: Edit

dammit, i thought it was positive k so 15/k has remainder of 3, !@%$!^%#$!&#

By olive oil on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:29 pm: Edit

question ~ what 6/15?

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:29 pm: Edit

FutureDoc, 1st off, i appreciate the fact that you are greatful. Many arent. I did not take the test today. I only know what is posted here. Because i didnt take the test, i am affraid that i never read the passages, and therefor, cannot answer your questions about the Crit reading. Sorry. And perhaps you should cancel your scores. If you were sick (as i was once during an SAT), it means that you probably didnt do as well as you would if you were healthy.

And as for you, quiz, you are correct: but only if the question read: if a 5-person family went on a 4-day trip, and EACH PERSON NEEDED ONE BOTTLE FOR EACH DAY, then that's a total of 20 bottles. If you bought 7 3-packs, then that's 21. That remainder of 1 is fine, it it doesnt matter. If you put 7 for that q, it is correct

By Matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:30 pm: Edit

Future,

I wasn't entirely sure about the black cellist passage, but I got the same answers as you (The girl paid a great deal of attention to him, and the 'shades' represent his complicated personality). As for the tape recorder:sounds , I believe the answer was 'camara:images,' as A records B.

Another question of my own,
there was an analogy that had juvenile:experience as an answer. Does anyone remember this on know the answer?

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:31 pm: Edit

Olive oil, you are correct, a sheaf is a collection of items held or bound together: a sheaf of printouts. Wait a second, can someone please recount the number line quesstion that you people got 4/9 on...

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:33 pm: Edit

Olive oil, DECK:CARDS is correct, because a SHEAF of PAPERS is a pile or bundle of papers, just as a DECK of CARDS is a pile or bundle of cards.

By Hi on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:34 pm: Edit

Did the number line question ask for the value of x, or the value of the square root of x...

By olive oil on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:35 pm: Edit

the value of x

By qu1x on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:37 pm: Edit

yup, incognito, each needed exactly one bottle for each day, thanks for the reassurance

By question on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:38 pm: Edit

so what was the answer to the k/15 remainder 3 one? was the question 15/k remaineder 3?

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:39 pm: Edit

"question"

if the question said how many intigers k has a remainder 3 in k/15, then the answer is infinate. There is an infanite # of intigers K such that if you divide K by 15, the remainder is 3.

examples include:
18, 33, 48, 63....

i didnt take the test, but based on the question you posed, the answer is infinate

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:40 pm: Edit

No, the answer was 3, there are three possibilities, 12, 4, and 6...

By olive oil on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:41 pm: Edit

i think it was 2:
how many positive integer values for k is the remainder 3 ~ 15/k

15/6 & 15/18

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:42 pm: Edit

No, the question asked 15/k, and had remainder 3, thus there are three possibilities

By Boris on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:43 pm: Edit

Which was most likely the experimental section?

By qu1k on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:43 pm: Edit

FutureDoc, back to the numberline question..

i believe the answer is 4/9 because the square root of x was in the 6th position (6/9) therefore

6/9 = square root X
x= 4/9

correct me if i am wrong anyone...

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:43 pm: Edit

wait wait wait

"question"
are you sure you asked the right quetion??

FutureDoc, if what he wrote down was the actual question on the test (which it doesnt seem to be, since no answers on the MAth SAT are "infinite"), then infinate is the answer.

Can somebody just please tell me what the right question was so we can clear this all up

By olive oil on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:43 pm: Edit

ur rite doc~ i forgot about 12 & 4

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:47 pm: Edit

Damn, I might have put 4/9, or I might have put 1/3!!!! I think I might have divided 1/9 and took the stupid square root

By or on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:52 pm: Edit

can someone help me with this 15/k remainder three question? i thought the answers would be 4, 6, 12, and 18. what did i do wrong?

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:53 pm: Edit

Dividing 15 by 18 does not give us remainder 3, thus the answer for the correct number of values for k was 3.

By Boris on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:55 pm: Edit

Which was the experimental section, and when will CollegeBoard announce it?

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 04:56 pm: Edit

WOW!!
that question with 15/k was hard. So the 3 possibilities were

15/4 , 15/6 , and 15/18 ?
That last posibility was really hard to get at. Was this like the last questoin on the Math section??

By FutureDoc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:00 pm: Edit

People, 15/18 is not a solution to the question.. as it gives you a solution of 0, remainder 15. The three solutions are 15/4, 15/12, 15/6

By meryl1278 on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:00 pm: Edit

But when you divide 18 by 15, is the remainder 3???? I couldnt possibly be 3, because that is a proper fraction, and the decimal is 0.833333.....
How would the remainder of 15/18 be 3??
Are you ppl sure that 2 isnt the right answer to that questoin??

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:02 pm: Edit

FutureDoc, you are correct. However, even if they thought that 15/18 gave them a remainder of 3, the answer is still correct, because they said that there were 3 possible values for K. Those of you who put 3 w/o realizing that there is 15/12 got very lucky on this question!

By curious on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:08 pm: Edit

Does the colege board announce which one was the experimental section?

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:14 pm: Edit

Curious, probably not explicitly (They're very secreative) However, you can find out (in 5 weeks, if you actually care by then) by getting the Stadent Answer Service or the Question and Answer Service

By hi i took the oct and jan test on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:37 pm: Edit

It seems math was easier than usual, the 1st section was alright, but the comparisons were way easier than the october one i took this past fall. Verbal's reading was way more difficult compared to october's reading. Also, some words that were a bit tough for "me" this time and i got a 700 in verbal on the oct, hopefully i can still get that 700 only if the third verbal was experimental. Anyone remember the right answer to the last math question in the multiple choice which asked how many x by y squares fit the floor it also provided a pattern that was 2x by (x + y ) I think forget i put 180 but im not sure. The time screwed me over.

By hi i took the oct and jan test on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:38 pm: Edit

oh yeah the floor was 12x by 10x

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:43 pm: Edit

what was the question, exacly?

By DANG on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:45 pm: Edit

are we really cheating by writing out questions, which people in europe will be seeing before the test? because if thats true whoever wrote them are idiots, ruining the curve. Im one too if its true.

By hi i took the oct and jan test on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:47 pm: Edit

i think it was number 25

By WAT GRADE? on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:54 pm: Edit

wat grade lvls usually take the jan one, i know very few very few seniors take it because there mostly done with there apps, so is it mostly juniors who took it?

By DANG on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 05:55 pm: Edit

I mean west coast. (Smacks myself in the head)

By yo on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:00 pm: Edit

Dang, I'm pretty sure everyone in the US (including Hawaii/Alaska) has already taken the Saturday version.

By jogga on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:01 pm: Edit

WAT GRADE? at my center it was almost all juniors (myself included)

By Wassup on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:06 pm: Edit

there were a bunch of 7th and 8th graders taking it too.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:15 pm: Edit

Those 7th and 8th graders are good for the curve. I really dont think that they give the same test in different time zones. There's no way the CB is THAT idiotic

By maymay on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

ok does anyone remember the answer to the analogy with victor:spoils as one of the answers? i cant remember the original analogy, but i just guessed that because i didnt think the others were right. thanks!

By jonathon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:21 pm: Edit

no one ever gave the answer to painting:exhibit. any ideas??

By qu1k on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:23 pm: Edit

the original analogy was Plunder:Bandit ::

maymay, i chose victor:spoils as well but i dont know if it is right.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:24 pm: Edit

Jonathon,
A painting is a TYPE OR FORM OF EXIBIT, or a PAINTING IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXIBIT, or A PAINTING IS AN EXIBIT. Those are the connections, now, if you can tell me the answer choices.....

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:25 pm: Edit

Does anyone else remember this q w/"Victor: Spoils" and "Plunder:Bandit" these answers really dont seem right...

By ugady on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:30 pm: Edit

a math question..pretty easy just making sure i did it right:

There are positive and negative numbers in a bag. Positive are represented by p and negative are represented by n. The probability of picking p is 3/5. What is n/p?

I put 2/3 is that correct??

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:31 pm: Edit

The original analogy was "plunder:bandits." I had trouble with that... I also put victor:spoils, but I have no clue if it's correct.

By Boris on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:50 pm: Edit

What was the answer to Logic:Tortous...

By Matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:50 pm: Edit

Was the answer to the tile problem in the Math section 180 or 36? In otherwords, did the problem ask for the number of single rectangles or 5 tile blocks?

By incognio on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:52 pm: Edit

that is correct -2/3 is the answer

As for you, Mrowry, i dont know:
BANDITS take/get/steel/acquire PLUNDER...

...whereas...

...SPOILS do NOT take/get/steel/acquire VICTOR.

I dont think thats right, but i would appreciate it is somebody would pleas correct me if i'm wrong...
..what were some of the other answer coices.

By Jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:53 pm: Edit

Folks, are you sure that

Tape Recorder : Sounds could not be Stethoscope : Heartbeat

I was thinking more along the lines of what a tape recorder "picks up" or "detects"... A tape recorder "detects" sounds as a stethoscope "detects" a heartbeat.

Oh and the other analogy which no one seemed to "pick up" on was the analogy of PAINTING:EXHIBIT. The answer was MUSIC:ENSEMBLE... Paintings are displayed in an exhibit just as music, in a sense, is displayed in an ensemble.

By Jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:54 pm: Edit

Other way around, incognio. The bandits take plunder just as the victors take the spoil. It does make complete sense, folks.

By Boris on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:54 pm: Edit

Logic:Tortous...

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 06:55 pm: Edit

Boris:
what were the choices offered??

By q on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:00 pm: Edit

A tape recorder records sounds as a camera records images.

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:00 pm: Edit

Incognio, what do you think of my analogy interpretations? I do realize that the stethoscope/heartbeat is a bit of a stretch, and perhaps camera/images was the better answer. But what about the others.

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:00 pm: Edit

By Marco on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:05 pm: Edit

Logic: Tortous

???:???
Mood: Miserable
???:???
Plot: Convulated

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:06 pm: Edit

Jon, 1st off, what were the other answer choices w/teh one that had "PAINTING: EXIBIT"? I just want to see if i could have eliminated them. Also, Jon, how did you know the word "ensemble"??

Also, Jon, as for Victor and Bandits:
If the analogy was the other way around it would work, because a VICTOR acquires SPOILS as a BANDIT acquires plunder. But that was not the order of the words, according to Mrowry...

Borris:
There's not much LOGIC in something TORTUOUS
or a lot LOGIC is required to figure out something that is TORTUOUS.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:09 pm: Edit

Jon, your Bandits and Victor one makes no sense of the order of the words were as follows:
Bandits: Plunder
Spoils: Victor
Otehrwise, its perfect.

I have to say that your one on Music and Ensemble is very impressive. However, considering the fact that i didnt take the test, I didnt know the other answer choices.....

I dont know how you know what ensemble ment

By hootie on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:09 pm: Edit

the plunder: bandit might have been, spoils:victor, if that makes any more sense?

By Toni on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:09 pm: Edit

Is it possible that the first section was experimental?

By Marcus on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:11 pm: Edit

Was one of the anwers to a sentence completion "testify to" or "sustain"?

By hootie on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:12 pm: Edit

an ensemble is a group of singers, not a group of music. i dont think that one is applicable...

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:13 pm: Edit

Tortous means complex or "convoluted"
So PLOT:CONVOLUTED may be the answer...
TORTUOUS LOGIC is very complex???...
...just as A CONVULUTED PLOT is very complex??
I dont know...
what were the other choices for this one??

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:14 pm: Edit

hootie, i thought so too in the beginning
Actually, acording to www.dictionary.com, "ensemble" can also mean a PERFORMANCE OF A MUSICAL WORK
check it out if you dont beleive me.

By Jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:18 pm: Edit

Incognito: I'm pretty sure that whoever first posted the "Spoils:Victor" analogy had it mixed around... I'm pretty sure it was Bandits: Plunder with one of the choices as Victors: Spoil ... I don't think ETS does that very often (show the correct answer as a choice, just backward). Hootie: No. While Ensemble often does refer to a group of singers (i.e. choir), it means, literally, collection. You indeed can have an ensemble of music.

By meryladsf on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:18 pm: Edit

WHAT WAS THE EXACT ORDER OF THIS PLUNDER AND BANDIT ONE?!?!?!?!?
ITS KILLING ME!

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:20 pm: Edit

Jon, if that is true, then your one on Spoils and Bandits was correct

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:22 pm: Edit

so...
...like, were there any other answer choices for this Music/Ensemble one??
I think Jon is right, but I want to make sure I would have gotten the same anwer by eliminating bad choices

By Marcus on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:22 pm: Edit

Was one of the anwers to a sentence completion "testify to" or "sustain"?

By michael on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:29 pm: Edit

yea testify to was an answer to one of them, cant remember which one

By Olga on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:29 pm: Edit

I remember an analogy like the following:

Courageous:Valor

???:???
Gallant:Fear
Resolute:Determination
???:???

The answer is the third choice, obviously.

By Marco on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:30 pm: Edit

What was the experimental section....

By qu1x on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:32 pm: Edit

Michael/Marcus I think the �testify to� question was the one about the unstable country that had changed its name numerous times.

By Munchymnm (Munchymnm) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:37 pm: Edit

Let's see...

I did camera/images
and victor/spoils

for the art passage I said indifference, but others of you said condescending.

I think the bearded man part was experimental. right?

Oh, and for the one about the sheaf:papers I said envelope:letters. guess I am wrong.

I think that math was actually on the tough side. Verbal also was pretty tricky. The collegeboard really liked to make it knotty.

So, how do y'all think the curve is going to be?

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:40 pm: Edit

I thought the passages were alot harder than usual this time, with the exception of the WWI passages. Math on the other hand seemed easier.

By Matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 07:42 pm: Edit

Sorry to interrupt the discussion about the Painting:Exhibit analogy (btw, I thought the answer was Poetry:Reading), but does anyone happen to remember the exact wording to 25 on one of the math sections (The Tile Problem)?
I thought I remembered that they showed a pattern of a group of tiles and then said that the longer side of each tile was 2. However I may have read it wrong, and they may have given the edge length of the entire group.
Hope someone has a good memory.

By Munchymnm (Munchymnm) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:00 pm: Edit

the longer side was 2

and i think 2lengths=3widths or something

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:03 pm: Edit

what was the math question? Andybody?

By ash on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:09 pm: Edit

On the tile problem, did it ask for how many 5-tile groups it needed or the absolute number of tiles?
Also, about the experimental section, did anyone else think it was the art one? It was so very abstract.

By painting: exhibit on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:09 pm: Edit

I put Poetry: Reading for the Painting: Exhibit one too because exhibits present paintings (among other things) and readings present poetry among other things as well. it couldnt have been valuables:vault because a vault is where valuables are stored, not where valuables are presented or displayed (and like someone posted earlier only valuables are stored in vaults)I doubt it was music:ensemble, its a good second choice but its not as clear that ensembles present music as it is that readings present poetry. I could be wrong... and i dont remember what the other ones were but thats just my opinion.

By runningdan on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:11 pm: Edit

Im banking on section 4 verbal as experimental

logic:toruous was definitely plot:convoluted

"testify to" was definitely the correct answer

music:ensemble... i can't remember the question but i remember i eliminated this choice as absolutely wrong as well as the victor:spoils as absolutely wrong although I can't remember the answer

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:14 pm: Edit

It was not the valubles/vault one.
This one was hard for me.
I would go w/Poetry:Reading because:
a PAINTING (LIKE A SCULPTUR OR SOMETHING) IS A TYPE/FORM OF AN EXIBIT, just as a POEM (OR A BOOK OR SOMETHING) IS A TYPE/FORM OF A READING.
However, the ensemble answer DOES NOT seem as correct:
an ENSEMBLE IS A PERFORMANCE/DISLAY OF MUSIC, just as a PAINTING IS A PERFORMANCE/DISPLAY OF AN EXIBIT?? No.
Again, this is a really though one...
...and i could be wrong.
Any other thoughts on this one?

By hi i took the oct and jan test on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:15 pm: Edit

absolute number of tiles i remeber it asked how many x by y tiles were there. i put 180 wat did u guys put?

By runningdan on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:16 pm: Edit

i have a question maybe someone can answer...
do they change the scale from sat to sat and about where is the cutoff for a 700 in terms of raw score for the verbal section?

By runningdan on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:20 pm: Edit

does anyone remember the answer to the assymetrical:balance analogy -- it was the very last analogy in one of the sections and i thought the hardest of the entire sat

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit

Sorry runningdan, I'm banking that you got at least two of your analogies incorrect. It seems that you're acknolwedging that one of the choices was "victor : spoils"; if the original analogy was "bandits: plunder", then that is *unquestionably* the right answer, unless you can suddenly "Remember" what it really was (yah... right).

And you eliminated music:ensemble as completely wrong, thus getting the question wrong. Exhibits can *display* a "collection" of paintings... no one can deny that. But this is analogous to an "ensemble" putting a "collection" of music ON DISPLAY. Poetry:reading? When I think of a "reading", poetry is not the first thing that pops in my head ... I think "side-by-side"ness when I look at this analogy, and poetry reading does not satisfy that.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

yeah, i think that jon is actually right about the one about the Exibits and Painting and what not. I just cannot comprehend how he knew the word "ensemble"

By jon on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:27 pm: Edit

Incognito: I think you have this mixed up again.

First, a painting is not a type of exhibit. An exhibit is, by definition, a display of something... most often of paintings.

You said that an ensemble is a performance/display of music. Agreed. Then you said that a painting is not a performance/display of an exhibit--- but the analogy is painting:exhibit as music:ensemble... thus, An *exhibit* is a performance/display of paintings. So the analogy is correct.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:31 pm: Edit

ok, its correct. But i know i would have gotten that one wrong, so please just tell me that it was the last analogy in its set so that i can feel OK if I got the hardest analogy wrong...

By steve on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:32 pm: Edit

did the first section count or not?

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:34 pm: Edit

I really hope the section about the man's beard was experimental. The art passage was pretty hard too.

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:35 pm: Edit

Do you people remember the placement of the paintings:exhibit analogy? Was it supposed to be a "medium" or "hard" question? The "performance" definition of "ensemble" is obscure... all my life I've just thought of it as a group. Unless it's a hard question, I would think that poetry:reading should be the answer.

And yeah, whoops, I reversed spoils:victor.

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:37 pm: Edit

I think paintings:exhibit was in the "medium" section.

By Toni on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:39 pm: Edit

What section was paintings:exhibit in? The 'bearded man' one>?

By junior on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:42 pm: Edit

fingers crossed for the experimental one being the mans beard passage....

i know the paintings: exhibit one was not last, i think it was end of the middle part or beginning of the end but definitely not last. I put poetry:reading

By runningdan on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:43 pm: Edit

Jon, you're wrong. The specific mechanism through which poetry a noun is presented through the verb read coinciding with the noun reading is 100% analagous to the mechanism by which we must compare the given relationship. This was a "medium" question and the best answer sets up an analogy that an action can be performed to display the relationship read : exhibited but this mechanism is not translated into an analogy with ensemble because nothing can be "ensembled". Parts of speech and possible implied parts of speech are necessary to find the best answer in medium and difficult questions. Poetry:reading is the correct answer.

By Mr0range (Mr0range) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:43 pm: Edit

Well I thought the verbal reading part was insanely hard. I did get the byzantine/adroit question.. most of the analogies I think. Those reading passages, however, killed me. I got a 770 Verbal in December, I wonder if I even broke 700 this time.

The math on the other hand, was much easier than last time. So far I only know of 2 questions that I know I got wrong: the Circles / Rectangles grid-in, I just ran out of time to figure it out, and put 1000. (hell my guess was only 30 off) and the 15/k question (I put 2 arggh)

I'm hoping to break 700 on the math this time. What are everyone elses feelings?

By Matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:44 pm: Edit

Jon,

An ensemble is not necessarily on display, rather it is simply " a group of musicians, singers, dancers, or actors who proform together". Now there is no clear and necessary relationship between "poetry" and "reading" under the common definition of reading. What ETS is testing for is the "public recitation of written work" definition. Like a painting exhibit, a poetry reading as an opportunity for an artist to display his or her work to the public. Hope this helps.

Btw, did anyone get 36 for the tile problem on the math section?

By qux on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:45 pm: Edit

what was the answer to the compleating the sentence about the woman who wrote about politics. The blank came before a colon and i think the answer started w/ an a.

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:48 pm: Edit

the Circles / Rectangles grid-in was annoying.. i had to do a matrix (ALOT faster than substitution) of the 3x3 equation i made but i did finally get the correct answer 1030.

By junior on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:53 pm: Edit

for the circles rectangles one all u had to do was system of equations... x+y= (# in circle in x and y) x+z= (# in circle in x and z) and z+y= (# in circle in z and y) substitute either the z or the y and use the two equations with x in them, cancel out the z or y (whichever u substituted for) and youll get the x.

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:55 pm: Edit

qux: Are you talking about the Congresswoman who was openhanded with constituents? Because I want to know that answer too!!! I spent like 10 minutes on that question...

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:55 pm: Edit

yup junior thats what i did i just think matricies are faster than substitution.

By qux on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:57 pm: Edit

Mrowry: no i am talking about an author who wrote about politics, but that Congresswoman who was openhanded with constituents was also hard! i forgot about that one lol. anyone remember the answer to that?

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:58 pm: Edit

I put magnanimity:pettiness...
Author who wrote about politics? What were the choices?

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:59 pm: Edit

Mrowy i also put magnanimity...pettiness for that one i think. That is the correct answer im pretty sure.

By bob on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 08:59 pm: Edit

magnanimity, pettiness is right

By bob on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:01 pm: Edit

what about the anthill sentence completion?
conspicous>?

By qux on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:01 pm: Edit

mrowry--the answer was a word that started w/ an a thats all i remember

By bob on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:03 pm: Edit

i think the answer to the math problem was 180

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:03 pm: Edit

qux was it acumen, i think thats what i put

By qux on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:04 pm: Edit

Yes! Acumen!

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:04 pm: Edit

Oh yeah, I put "acumen" for some question.
And I think I put "conspicuous" for the towering anthill.

By bob on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:05 pm: Edit

anthill..conspicous? (sentence completion)

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:06 pm: Edit

yup got conspicuous.

By todd on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

where do bad folks go when they die?

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

By the way, what did you people put for the "agonizing bliss" question in the last critical reading? I switched answers so many times for that.

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:09 pm: Edit

what were some of the other tough analogies guys? I didnt take the test this morning, but I'm curious to see if i would have gotten them right.

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:11 pm: Edit

Mrowry, i put her own self-consciousness. i had to debate that one for a while myself.

By le theatre on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:11 pm: Edit

the generally indifferent, condesceningly tolerant question is really bothering me ... any thoughts

By Marcus on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:12 pm: Edit

its irrelevant..that section was experimental

By Marcus on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:13 pm: Edit

there were two 35 question verbal sections...
the first one had a double passages while none of the other ones did...therefore the second 35 question section was experimental

By qux on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:15 pm: Edit

Marcus was that the art paragraph or the cello man paragraph? (the one the does not count)

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:15 pm: Edit

Damn. I put the shallow answer about physical discomfort because it was cold. ;-) I was pretty sure I got that wrong.

le theatre: I'm pretty sure it's condescendingly tolerant. The guy was getting pretty nasty about hoi polloi...

By ... on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:15 pm: Edit

what?

By ... on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:15 pm: Edit

what?

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:16 pm: Edit

what were some of the other tough analogies guys? I didnt take the test this morning, but I'm curious to see if i would have gotten them right.

By mc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:16 pm: Edit

people write anymore analogies/ etc so we can all disect them together

By mc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:16 pm: Edit

people write anymore analogies/ etc so we can all disect them together

By mc on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:16 pm: Edit

people write anymore analogies/ etc so we can all disect them together

By Marcus on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

art does not count

By junior on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

for teh cello section where they had the word-in-context definition of "crush" did that mean "crowd"? because it said something about a mob...??

By Marcus on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

and it was physical discomfort because of the wind/cold

By Marcus on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

and it was physical discomfort because of the wind/cold

By clo on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit

yeah that is what i got too.. thank god cuz i was slaving over that particular ? for a while.

By clo on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit

yeah that is what i got too.. thank god cuz i was slaving over that particular ? for a while.

By clo on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit

yeah that is what i got too.. thank god cuz i was slaving over that particular ? for a while.

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:19 pm: Edit

It WAS physical discomfort? Wow.
Yes, the answer is "crowd."

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:19 pm: Edit

junior, i put crowd.

What did you guys put for how she fealt when he told her it wasnt much and she said that quote that was an allusion to an opera(it had the footnote). I couldn't decide wheter it was "she was content with the food" or "she amused by his attempts at preparing the food" but i chose the latter.

By le theatre on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:20 pm: Edit

no marcus, im pretty sure that one was in the 30 question section , being the only one, it must be included in the score to get 78 points so i think experimental was the second section with 35-- section 4, i may be wrong though... someone help...

By steve on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 09:22 pm: Edit

dont know

By bob on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 10:28 pm: Edit

what was the answer to the last question in art reading

By Mr0range (Mr0range) on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 10:47 pm: Edit

quicksilver- I put content with the food (I think it was actually "content even without the food") for the cello passage. I'm pretty sure that's what the allusion was implying..

By bob on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 10:49 pm: Edit

was the last answer to the art section that art is too difficult to fully analyze... or something like this?

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 10:57 pm: Edit

BY the way, the answer to the PAINTING:EXIBIT analogy is POEM:READING. If anybody wants an explanation, i'd be happy to give it.

By todd on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 10:58 pm: Edit

give it

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:03 pm: Edit

Oh, sorry todd. So...do you guys remember any other really hard analogies?

By Marco on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:06 pm: Edit

Savant: Learned

A) Virtuouso: Skilled
B) Pedestrian: Abnormal
C) ETS: Gay
D) Carpenter: Worker

By matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

no joke, C was one of the answer choices

By abroad on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:10 pm: Edit

What was the math experimental section?
oh I do believe SATs are the same anywhere. I took it yesterday abroad and the questions that you guys ask yourselves were exactly same as mine.

I have a math question, it was one of the quantative questions. It said every term was the cube of its number (like 1, 8, 27, 64, 125..) and asked which one is bigger, a ratio of the 5th term to the 4th term or a ratio of the 11th term to the 10th term. I thought it was kind of obscure.

thanks

By Boris on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:11 pm: Edit

A was the answer

By berly on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:16 pm: Edit

no, Boris, A was NOT the answer to that analogy. Lets break the question down ETS style!!
A SAVANT is a person/thing who/that is very very LEARNED.

...as...
the ETS is a person/thing who/that is very very Gay.

Unfortunately, you messed up on that one my friend

By Boris on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:20 pm: Edit

the answer to the math question was A

By incogntio on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:20 pm: Edit

abroad,
A would be the answer.

Look: lets just say you said the ratio of the 2nd to the 1st and the 4th to the 3rd:
A: 8/1=8
B:64/27=3.4

Am I right that the 5th to the 4th term would be greater guys?

By Matt on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:30 pm: Edit

What was the answer to the last question of the art reading section?

By IzD_FEnce on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:31 pm: Edit

Like many others I believe the experimental section to be the one about the Italan guy with the beard.....was that the same setion w/ the modern art commentary(passage)?

By chance on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:33 pm: Edit

what are the chances that the experimental is the only one with a double reading passage? has that ever happened before?

By Mrowry on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:41 pm: Edit

Matt: What IS the last question of the art reading section?

By incognito on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 11:43 pm: Edit

There are plenty of non-experimental sections that have a double reading passage. Just take look at a real test in "10 Real SATs."

By chance on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 12:26 am: Edit

do any of them not have double reading passages?

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 12:32 am: Edit

Yes, of course they do. For example, Section Three of the May, 2000 test has one.

By chance on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 12:50 am: Edit

yeah, i know they generally do havem. so there aren't any without one? drats. i really bombed the first 35 question verbal with proverb and tortuous and some other weird analogies, and i think that's the one with the double passage.

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:07 am: Edit

Dont worry man, im sure you didnt do too bad

One question:
what was the question that had "Proverb" in it?

By amazed... on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:11 am: Edit

That is truly amazing. In 12 hours, 236 messages have been posted on this conversation so far.

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:28 am: Edit

Well, amazed, it is a rather informative conversation...

(and i said a lot)

By Erica 9er on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:37 am: Edit

since the fifth verbal (beard) was experimental, how about we don't discuss that. instead, let's try to remember answers to the first verbal (art). i recall I hadd trouble w/the last 2 questions in the art passagge, but can't exactly remember. anyone have a better memory than me??

By Erica 9er on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:37 am: Edit

By KAS on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:46 am: Edit

I took the test in Asia and I find that there are SOME common questions specially in maths.Verbal there seem to be significant difference.CB is not all that dumb! they know that with time difference-test takers could brain dump he questions.

By Munchymnm (Munchymnm) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:53 am: Edit

I remember an analogy that stumped me for a second...but I think the answer was refinery:oil...sound familiar?

Also, did you all put for the tone of the modern art passage condescending or indifferent?

By doublepassage on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:58 am: Edit

Does anyone remember the last two questions on the double passage about war? They seemed very similar to me (both were asking for the difference between the two passages). If anyone could refresh my memory, that would be fantastic.

By Mrowry on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 02:52 am: Edit

Condescendingly tolerant. Scroll up.

By ash on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 08:31 am: Edit

How do we know that the beard one was experimental? I had two 35 question verbals and only one had the questions comparing the two passages. Every SAT I've ever taken has one comparing two passages so I think it was the art one that was experimental although I think the beard and the art were both of about equal difficulty.

By Matt on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 09:07 am: Edit

The Art passage was not a experimental passage. There was.

1 36 Question Section with a comparitive reading on the various British interpretations of WWII,

1 36 Question Section with a passage about a bearded man and his mental transformation,

1 30 Question Section with fewer sentence completions and analogies, but two independent reading passages, one about the science of time travel, one about the interpretation of modern art,

1 13 Question Section consisting of just a reading passage about an African-American cellist.

The is always a 13 Question section, a 30 Question Section, and a 35 Question Section, meaning that either the experiment was the WWII comparitive reading or the bearded man.

From my experience, there is always a comparitive read, so I conclude that the experimental passage was the one with the bearded man.

By hi on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 09:53 am: Edit

my sections only had 35 questions not 36 weird.

By dsfsda on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 10:02 am: Edit

hopefully beard guy section is experimental i @#$%ed up on the beard man

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 12:08 pm: Edit

Ok, now knowing that ETS is not all so dumb, I can comfortably put on what I remember.

On the double passages, the questions were like "What's the writing of the women and the writing of the journalist have in common?" I put none focus on the reality of the war. The other one was "What do both reveal about soldiers?" And I put they felt alienated by civilians.

The art... let's see: Oh, the last one was like "What did the author assume on the last paragraph?" And the last paragraph talked about how focusing on human emotions would destroy the artistic elements. I put he assumed that creating human emotion is not an art element in the first place.

In the one about time travel, what do you put on why the author introduced himself as "Being a scientist?"

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 12:36 pm: Edit

just to let you ppl know, every SAT has at least one double passage (i am 99% sure)

By FutureDoc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 12:46 pm: Edit

Thank you, musketeer lady, I put the same answers as you for the double passages... However for the art passage, I think I put a different answer, can you please recall the asnwers to the particular question. For the autor introducing himself as being a scientist I put to introduce an air of authority.

Also, people please recall some hard questions in the WW1 section and the art history section...

In the music section, why would crush mean crowd, i thought that made no sense... also, why were the girl's friends saying that they should play a hot duet? Was it to introduce a new tone to the particular passage (none of the other quesitons made any sense).

By 700 verbal on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:02 pm: Edit

crush would mean crowd because i remember reading a couple sentecnes after saying something about how crowded they were while walking.

By ARGH on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:03 pm: Edit

how about that question about swirling shadows under his skin wat did u guys put for the answer?

By FutureDoc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:07 pm: Edit

For the swirling shadows, I said that the guy had a complicated personality

By ARGH on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:10 pm: Edit

dammit i was about to put that and then the proctor came over and said put ur pencil down

By mc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

250 posts!!! i started it
lol jk
keep them coming

By mc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

250 posts!!! i started it
lol jk
keep them coming

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

ok ok
Does anybody remember other hard analogies??

By College on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:19 pm: Edit

MC you stole my idea!!! I was the one who started the psat discussion...

By College on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:21 pm: Edit

For the wierd music passage... why did the friends refer to the statement, "you should play some hot duets..." was it because of a change in the view of the passage?

Also, for the art passage, the question that asked how the auther views the people who don't understand art, was the correct answer condescendingly tolerant?

By Bump on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:34 pm: Edit

Bump...........

By Bump... on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 01:41 pm: Edit

Bump...

By Bump on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 02:12 pm: Edit

Bump...

By Bump on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 02:12 pm: Edit

Bump...

By Hello on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 02:18 pm: Edit

BUmp.....Please......REspond...........

By matt on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 02:21 pm: Edit

In the first math section, how many combinations were there for colors/shirts?
12?

By FutureDoc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 02:44 pm: Edit

Yeah

By SB on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 02:55 pm: Edit

The PLUNDER:BANDIT question has been left unanswered. The concensus seems to be SPOILS:VICTOR, but I put WAGES:EMPLOYEE.

BANDITS do their job for the sake of gaining PLUNDER, while EMPLOYEES do their job for the sake of gaining WAGES. A VICTOR does not necessarily emerge victorious over something for the sake of earning SPOILS. If you are a VICTOR over the difficult January SAT, do you emerge from the testing room with the heads of the ETS people strapped around your waist, or with the College Board people bound in chains in an ancient Roman-like Triumph? WAGES:EMPLOYEES seems a better answer... I hope!

By HELP on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 03:42 pm: Edit

By sarah on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 03:58 pm: Edit

This has already been asked, but no one answered. Does anyone remember about the "proverb" i think it was like proverb:popular or something like that maybe? also does anyone know what the answer was to the question in the cellist passage... asking why the auther put the part about how the girl could "get" the guy... i said that it was to change the mood of the passage... anyone remember????

By sarah on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 03:59 pm: Edit

i put generally indifferent...

By Hi on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 04:33 pm: Edit

Sarah, I thought that it was to change the mood as well. But for the art pssage, I put the mood as condescendingly tolerant... Because he was pretty impatient with the hoi polloi.

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 04:35 pm: Edit

Hold on hold on hold on!!
First off, Matt and FutureDoc, what was the math question about the colors and the answer was 12???

Also, SB, i never took the JAN SAT, so i never knew that this other choice (employee:wages) even existeed!!! The victor:plunder seemed fine.
Look: SPOILS is succesfully, but illegally acquired by a VICTOR only. Likewise, PLUNDER is something illegaly acquired by BANDITS. An employee works for and earns a wage. They dont take it by force like a BANDIT would, or a victor who gets spoils (spiols is defined by the Merriam Webster's dictionary as "plunder").

PLEASE write back if you disagree. I am not positive. Even if you people agree w/me on this one, please say so so that i can have some reasurance!!!

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 04:35 pm: Edit

By FutureDoc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 04:47 pm: Edit

I agree with you incognito... I was sick during the sat, however, I think I did very well on every section except the section that everyone asserts is the experimental section... I did however make 1 or 2 stupid mistakes in the math... Do you have any advice... My parents think that I should see what score I got and then retake it and show some improvement (so at least I know where I am), rather than cancell the complete score.

Dont worry about the math question with 12, it was a very simple probability question...

By Musketeerlady (Musketeerlady) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 05:13 pm: Edit

i did so bad I missed a whole bunch of analogies... since I have no clue what spoils or conspicuous mean...

yeah, i put crowd for crush also, because they were "floating on the mob" And why did he hum a Schumann's piece to himself? I put he was too absorbed in his own world. I don't remember other answer choice for the art question, FutureDoc, but like 3 of them weren't metioned in the passage.

Oh, and the "hot duets", I put the author's making fun of pretentious romantic music - i think i got that wrong - but because they mentioned Schumann, and Schumann is a romantic composer... I think my extraneous knowledge harms me this time.

By mathproblem on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:12 pm: Edit

How did people get the answer to the math problem that used variables L and W. L and W were the lengths to the rectangle, and a larger rectangle was to be formed using the same pattern. This one really messed with my brain.

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:16 pm: Edit

what was the question, exactly?

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:16 pm: Edit

what was the question, exactly?

By Mrowry on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:16 pm: Edit

HELP: Wasn't "hot duets" introduced to break Virginia's abstract mode of thinking or something? Was that an answer choice?

sarah: Proverb:Popular::Witticism:Humorous?

Musketeerlady: For the Schumann humming, I also put that he was in his own world. I don't think ETS would call romantic music pretentious, though; some sappy musicians would protest.

By Mrowry on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

mathproblem: I think I did a substitution (like 2L=3W, or 2W=3L, or something along those lines) to get rid of W. Then I set up an equality of (10L)(12L)=x(__L)(__L), the right side of which multiples x (the quantity of tiles) with the length and width of a single tile given in terms of L. The L^2 cancel out, and you can find x.

By mathproblem on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:30 pm: Edit

Thanks--I was trying to do it a different way, but it didn't work out so nicely. I don't feel too bad though because that was the last problem in the section.

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:32 pm: Edit

Mrwoy,
Proverb:Popular and Witticism:Humorous is perfect!

A proverb is a popular saying,
as a witticism is a humorous saying

its right...
...unless there are better choices...

By Matt on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:40 pm: Edit

Hmm.... I could have sworn that the length of each tile was two, meaning that, because 2L=3W, each tile was 2x(4/3), however, this would yield a total of 45 tiles, which wasn't even an answer. Perhaps they meant that the length of the entire picture was 2, which would yield 36 groups of tiles or 180 tiles, which was a viable answer. But again, I am almost sure that they gave the length of a single tile (L=2), not the length of the picture.
Any thoughts? I've heard of people who have gotten 30, 36, and 180.

By Munchymnm (Munchymnm) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:41 pm: Edit

I said that hot duets was to break the mode or whatever.

I also sais Proverb:popular::Witticism:Humoeous

Incognito...the math question that you are asking to hear about is hard to describe because it was based on a diagram. Try to envision this: 5 rectangular bloacks of equal length and width put together so that there are 2 going down lengthwise attached to three with their lengths going across...so that 2lengths-3widths. You need to build something that is 10lengths by 12lengths. THe question was how many blocks in total are needed.
It's rather hard to follow tihout the diagram.

By Munchymnm (Munchymnm) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:43 pm: Edit

I got 180. I believe it was E.

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:48 pm: Edit

Ok, thanks anyway Musketeerlady

By Munchymnm (Munchymnm) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:50 pm: Edit

Also, I'm strongly thinking the bearded man was experimental because I went to a short SAT course where the guy explained that the reading passages have certain requirements or whatever on every test. Like, one is supposed to be scientific, another is supposed to be from a book or something...they are requirements about the different passages. I clearly remember him saying that EVERY TEST WILL HAVE A READING WiTH A DOUBLE PASSAGE. If this is true then section 1 is certainly not the experimental, and section 3 cant be the experimental because every verbal section has 78 questions. And, so the bearded man, by this logic, was certainly experimental.

By FutureDoc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 06:58 pm: Edit

For the art passage, what was the mood? I put the mood as condescendingly tolerant... Because he was pretty impatient with the common person, as he says only a select few understand art (though he said that they were no better...).

Also, for the proverb:popular question, what were the other choices?

If the bearded guy passage is experimental, can we please discuss the answers to the analogies, etc from the other two passages (we have pretty strong evidence that section 4 is an experimental passage).

By Matt on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:01 pm: Edit

Munchymnm,

I reached the same conclusion as you with regards to the experimental passage. The experimental section is usually harder than the others, which just supports the hypothesis.

As for the the 25th math problem, the more I think about it, 180 seems like the right answer, meaning I got that one wrong by answering 36.

Hopefully the scale for this math SAT will allow for a mistake, more often than not, 59/60 is a 790.

By beardman on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:02 pm: Edit

Can anyone remember some of the questions on the bearded man reading?
One was about how the beard could be described --I put essential

By Hi on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:04 pm: Edit

Also, in the last question of the art paragraph, what was the auther assuming...

By FutureDoc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:09 pm: Edit

The beard is inhibiting him...

By munchymnm on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:13 pm: Edit

dont worry about the bearded man section. it doesnt count!

companionship:social was for proverb to popular I think

By junior on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:17 pm: Edit

I disagree with the assertion that the experimental section is harder than the other sections. I got a V720on the October 02 sat. I easily aced that experimental section. I havent taken any other sats, so I cant speak to trends

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:19 pm: Edit

No, muncymnn
A social person needs/gets companionship
A proverb is a popular saying, just as a witticism is a humorous saying. Just look the words up on www.dictionary.com if you dont beleive me.

By Mrowry on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:22 pm: Edit

I remember suspecting Section 4 was experimental because the sentence completitions and analogies were relatively easy and the critical reading was extremely HARD. I thought an actual section would be less disproportionate.

By munchymnm on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:24 pm: Edit

oh right. i put witticism. i think i am confusing answers here. i have like sat words spinning in my head. ver scary...I think social:companionship was an answer to some other question. *bangs head agains computer screen*

By WizOz on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:26 pm: Edit

Was the prover:popular analogy on the supposed experimental section with the Bearded-putz man?

By Mrowry on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:27 pm: Edit

It was? What question was that?

By FutureDoc on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:34 pm: Edit

By munchymnm on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 07:35 pm: Edit

wizoz-

i think it was either on section 3 or the bearded
man one. cant remember which though. anyone?

By SB on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 08:07 pm: Edit

incognito:
You said, "SPOILS is succesfully, but illegally acquired by a VICTOR only." I agree. But a VICTOR does not *always* get spoils, only sometimes. The dictionary definition of EMPLOYEE is someone who (always) earns WAGES, and a BANDIT is someone who (always) earns PLUNDER. (That is, provided that they are successful at what they do. A VICTOR could be successful, but still not earn SPOILS.)

By alejandro on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 08:18 pm: Edit

One of these Two things: a bandit doesn't always get plunder

a victor by definition always gets spoils (in some form or another)

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 08:19 pm: Edit

SB,
It depends on the dictionary you use
But the following is definate:
PLUNDER is something acquired by a BANDIT in an illegitimate and illegal way

...just as...
SPOILS is something acquired by a VICTOR in an illegitimage or illegal way.

again, i'm not sure...but i like this question. its good to debate it.

Any other comments anyone??

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 08:25 pm: Edit

A bandit intends to illegally get plunder, just as a Victor intends to illegally get spoils

True or false?
Again, im not 100% sure on this one...

By SB on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 08:34 pm: Edit

incognito:

Yup, this is a very interesting question. Um, since I have a personal stake in it (one question could make the biggest difference!), I'm actually going to inquire about this question at collegeboard.com's test question inquiry thing....

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 08:36 pm: Edit

Can you please tell me what they say when you get the info??

By Mrowry on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 09:02 pm: Edit

Collegeboard.com has a test question inquiry form? So why are we using this forum? :-P

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 09:32 pm: Edit

Mrowry

http://www.collegeboard.com/sat/html/students/take00c.html

By SB on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 09:51 pm: Edit

incognito:

I doubt they will respond to me personally, but I'd be more than happy to let you know if they do. (I'll post on this message board if they do.) Also, I have a feeling that this question was on the experimental section (it was in the bearded man passage section, which I agree with everyone else as being the experimental section). So they might just ignore my inquiry in that case....

By Mrowry on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 09:51 pm: Edit

Hypothetical: If one were to contact them and successfully convince them that a question was unfair, would they alter the curve for the better or simply drop the question (altering the curve for the worse for people who answered it correctly)?

By incognito on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 11:17 pm: Edit

probably just drop it. But who cares...i just want to make sure i'm right on this one...

By RhApSody on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 11:54 pm: Edit

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By RhApSody on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 11:55 pm: Edit

Bandits::Plunder...answer is Victor::Spoils
Incognito's logic makes perfect sense.
For the tone of the art passage, I put condescendingly intolerant as well. The author made it sound as if most people were too concerned with emotional things to which they could relate, rather than the true aesthetic elements of a piece. Besides, one of the previous questions asked about the significance of "John and Sue" or some common names like those, and the answer was that they represented a typical narrative of interpersonal relationships. All of this supported my belief that the author considered most unappreciative people as dull cows when it came to modern art.
The math question about the L and W rectangles was 180. The question asked for the number of LxW rectangles, that is, the individual rectangles themselves. The blocks were NOT LxW, they were 2Lx2W or something.
What did you guys get for the first bearded man question? It probably does not count, but I am curious. I think it went:
What does the word "contented" mean in context (the sentence being: He contented himself with physical exercises, which went against his moral , blah blah blah lost all satisfaction in doing them blah blah.) Sorry, memory is bad.

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:02 am: Edit

RhApSody, how did you find out that VICTOR:SPOILS is the right answer?? I mean, What's your source?

...by the way, thanx for the reassurarnce

By RhApSody on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:09 am: Edit

Because it's the only answer that makes sense to me, and my intuition is pretty good.
Verbal really isn't the issue for me; i messed up on some simple math questions...two so far =/

By RhApSody on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:11 am: Edit

By the way, if you get 800s in Verbal and Math, but on two separate tests (as in different months), do colleges look at the highest scores, or do they only consider the scores in discrete months?

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:16 am: Edit

RhApSody, they combine the two best scores, so it would be a 1600.

By RhApSody on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:18 am: Edit

Really? Well ••••, I just ruined my chance for math.

By c on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:30 am: Edit

what were the options for quandary:decision, and was this experimental?

By artpassage on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:33 am: Edit

Please post questions and answers to questions on the art passage. I thought that passage was exceptionally difficult.

By munchymnm on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:41 am: Edit

so everybody said condescendingly tolerant. the second i saw indifferent i marked it. guess impulses are not always right.

By Jigga on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:09 am: Edit

I am not so sure the LxW question was 180. I got 36 and I asked some "nerds" who I would label authorities and they got the same. So that's my take.

By merylman on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:12 am: Edit

yo, "Jigga", so, like i gots a question yo:
so like, what was the muthu fukin question man?

By robtha on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:41 am: Edit

mewi

By lly on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 02:42 am: Edit

Mrowry, they would drop it, since on the last PSAT the last math quantitative comparison question was considered unfair and on the score sheet it said "omitted".

By lysosomes on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 10:02 am: Edit

Ok, I was stumped on a fill in the blank question.
It said something about some ancient fossil being ___, which scientists had figured out because they'd ____'ed many fossils from the fossil record.
I didn't put A because the 2nd answer was "subtract" and that word doesn't work as well as "extract" which was one of the options, but I didn't put that because the first word didn't fit.
I put C maybe, I think? The first word I didn't know--it started with meta- or something that meant many. Does anyone rememember/know the answer to this question?

By Matt on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:14 pm: Edit

C was right, the word was "multifarious".

By FutureDoc on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit

I had a question, for the Susie and Joe question, i put that it represented a well known legendary pair of lovers, because one of the footnotes said that the other example was a pair of medeval lovers... Also, please list some hard analogies and sentence completions from the first and second verbal sections... What was the answer to the sentence completion question that said something about some club, and the detracters who said that they were very obstinate? Also, in the last paragraph in the art passage, what did the auther assume..

By FutureDoc on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit

By Bryan P on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:32 pm: Edit

grrrrr.... the stupid one with 2x+3y <6......... i put five b/c i fogot that zero wasn't an integer........ There better be a 1 point curve!! AT LEAST

By sarah on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:51 pm: Edit

for the susie and joe i didnt put legendary lovers.... i put that they were like the typical pair of lovers in literature or something like that. also, does anyone remember what "figures" meant in the art passage? i think i put representations

By Susie on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

I put that the Susie and Joe couple was fictious and the author explained it later on. I think he just made this up to prove his point.

By Susie on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:15 pm: Edit

I put that the Susie and Joe couple was fictious and the author explained it later on. I think he just made this up to prove his point.

By susie on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:16 pm: Edit

For the Susie and Joe question I put that they were a fictious couple.

By susie on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:23 pm: Edit

lol its ok

By lysosomes on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 01:41 pm: Edit

Thanks, Matt.

By divinopoeta on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 02:24 pm: Edit

Susie and Joe are undoubtedly fictitious. First, it's so obviously made-up given the overtly commonplace names. Second, if there was a footnote for Tristan and Isolde, why withhold a footnote about S & J if they were indeed a well-known literary couple? Trust me, I consider myself pretty well-versed in classic works and Susie and Joe are certainly no Romeo and Juliet, Virgil and Dido, or Dante and Beatrice, and neither would they be names befitting the tastes of a sophisticated writer. As for the art passage, anyone who answered condescendingly tolerent has the odds against them. The passage lacked the necessary sarcasm, facetiousness, and/or pejorative overtones to qualify as condescending. It was aimed against a certain perspective, not to doubt, but the passage aimed also to correct that perspective, and it did so quite diplomatically.

By divinopoeta on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 02:33 pm: Edit

Correction on my last message: The reference Virgil and Dido should be Aeneas and Dido... Virgil composed the Aeneid.

By Scott Peters on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 02:47 pm: Edit

This is to MC:

I know who you are. I know that you didn't take the January 2003 test because it was postponed due to weather conditions. The postponed test (Feb. 15) will be the exact same as the Jan test, and because you are looking at these answers, I will have to invalidate your scores.

By A freshman at WFU on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 02:57 pm: Edit

Incognito: you go to Wake Forest? What year?

By Mrowry on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 03:08 pm: Edit

divinopoeta: The art passage didn't use particularly nasty language, but it WAS dissing the mode of thought of the "common people" the whole way through. What answer did you put? I didn't think "condescendingly tolerant" necessarily described the tone properly, but I put it for lack of a better choice.

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 03:18 pm: Edit

A freshman at WFU,
What are you talking about "you got to Wake Forest?" Where did you ever get that??

By Boris on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 03:57 pm: Edit

its official....http://www.collegeboard.com/sat/center/html/facts002.html

By ahhh on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 04:15 pm: Edit

so which section was experimental?

By RhApSody on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 04:40 pm: Edit

How do I cancel scores?

By A freshman at Wake on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 05:02 pm: Edit

Incognito: I clicked on your 'username', which gave me the e-mail dsfa@wfu.edu

By HelpIneedsome1 on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 05:19 pm: Edit

does anyone remember their sections....which was the experimental?

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 05:44 pm: Edit

sorry, "A Freshman at Wake", but I'm afraid that i was just writing random bull sh*t when i wrote that. I just hapenned to write wfu. If you want my real email address, here it is:

i_needsathelp@yahoo.com

By Qu1kslvr (Qu1kslvr) on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

what exactly is "equating"? and which one was it?

By divinopoeta on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 06:22 pm: Edit

Concerning the verbal sections, the college board explains that there was a long reading passage, then an equating section(the one that doesn't count toward your score), followed by a section of 2 reading passages, and lastly the final reading passage. If I am correct in my deduction the first long reading passage (according to the order I remember taking the test in) was the dual World War I passages. After that, I believe, came the bearded man passage, and if I am to understand the college board correctly, that second verbal section is thus the experimental one. That means the section with the passages on art/aesthetics and time travel are valid. With that, let the debate resume between the "condescendingly tolerant" and the "generally indifferent".

By divinopoeta on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 06:27 pm: Edit

For a defintion of "equating section" go to http://www.collegeboard.com/sat/html/students/prep012.html

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 07:58 pm: Edit

Wow, divinopoeta, you try your best to sound intelligent, don't you? So far, I've seen poor grammar usage (substantiated by the lack of using subjunctive when needed, misplaced quotations, and incorrect prepositional situation), redundancy, and an overly pretentious tone. Interesting how you mentioned "the tastes of a sophisticated writer." One could expect no less from a divine poet as yourself. Could you say my tone is condescendingly tolerant?

By meryl285 on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:04 pm: Edit

Fuckk you bitingthesun. She's only trying to help you you ignorant ass hole! I would say your tone is rather abominably loquacious and inane!

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:13 pm: Edit

abominably loquacious? ....(heh)
Well, she hasn't really helped me personally, so your argument dissipates there.
I'm only pointing out some blatant flaws in her comments. She claims to know the qualities of a good writer, so it must follow that her writing should be styled in the same manner. And is this person really a "she"? It says divinO poeta after all, poeta being an androgynous noun.

By meryl385 on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:16 pm: Edit

bitingthesun, I have a question for you,
Are you that person going around harassing others on this forum about them not giving you perfect advice and about how they make a few spelling errors here and there??

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:18 pm: Edit

? No, this is my first time entering this forum. I didn't come for advice, just out of curiosity.

By SB on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:20 pm: Edit

Incognito (and anyone else interested in the inquiry about the SAT question):

This is the response I got, via email, from CB:

"Thank you for your e-mail concerning an SAT matter. Your inquiry has been
forwarded to the appropriate test specialist, who will be sending you a
written response within 10 business days."

As I get more info, I'll let you know... if I get any info that really makes a difference. If my memory serves me correctly, this question was on the section with the "bearded man passage," which was the equating section (as revealed at http://www.collegeboard.com/sat/center/html/facts002.html). So it really doesn't matter... but it's fun to debate it!

By meryl285 on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:20 pm: Edit

hmm...Well then perhaps you can give me some advice...
My problem is the critical reading. Any suggestions, bitingthesun??

By divinopoeta on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:22 pm: Edit

I do love a good critic. But come now, bitingthesun, this is no place for misdirecting one's frustrations over the fact that Saturday's test may have screwed you so hard that you just missed your period. But seriously, I accept your criticisms humbly, though that overly pretentious tone you imaginatively percieve most likely stems from your grandiose pride envious to think that anybody might be as capable with a well-spoken word or two.

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

thanx SB

By Hope on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

SB....how sure are you that the bearded man passage was part of the experimental section?

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:31 pm: Edit

"But come now, bitingthesun, this is no place for misdirecting one's frustrations over the fact that Saturday's test may have screwed you so hard that you just missed your period."

hmm...I already have an 800 in verbal from the october test. I took the January test mainly to improve my math.

By dchpmk on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:40 pm: Edit

oooooh...shot down!
go biting!

By divinopoet on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:47 pm: Edit

Congratulations on the 800, bitingthesun. So, would you allow us to solicit your expertise on the various questions of this forum? If we may put aside our pretention, tell me your personal interpretation on the "generally indifferent" vs. "condescendingly tolerant" question.

By experimental on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:54 pm: Edit

Isn't the information posted on the college board site for the January 2002 test not the Jan. 2003 test?

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:58 pm: Edit

I put "condescendingly tolerant" because the general tone of the passage was NOT indifferent, so the former was the best choice (for the lack of a better one). The author's diction wasn't particularly invective, but it did treat the people concerned with emotional links as unenlightened cows. He mentioned the "Sue and Joe" example to trivialize the romantic plots that fascinate the cows, implying that they're all the same. The passage ends by stating that modern art is something not intended for those "humanistic" types of people; it seems as if he's given up and saying that there is an unapproachable schism between those who prefer the old art and those who appreciate the new.

By Mrowry on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

An indifferent person wouldn't bother to write about it. :-P

By divinopoeta on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:14 pm: Edit

Very nice. Tell me then, what would be required of the passage to qualify as generally indifferent? I'm inclined to argue against the condescension characterization because the author's voice seemed to me to lack a bias other than implicit. I tend to believe that ETS would not pull such a subjective trick on the test-taker. On the other hand, perhaps it's my own bias that wants to believe that I didn't •••• that one up.

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit

lol mrowry =p

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:20 pm: Edit

BitingtheSun, what did you think of that Bandits:Plunder analogy that none of us here can seem answer for definate??

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:21 pm: Edit

Ask Mrowry, she's very reliable. I have to go write an essay on Hamlet.

By bitingthesun on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:22 pm: Edit

btw, bandits::plunder is definitely victor::spoils.

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:33 pm: Edit

i thought so as well. Do you agree w/my reasons for putting this though?

By Mrowry on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:37 pm: Edit

I think the key word in the answer choice is not "condescendingly" but "tolerant." Divinopoeta, you probably picked up indifference because the writer didn't talk about burning ignorant commoners at stake or something; in that respect, you are correct -- but then so is the answer choice containing "tolerant." As for "condescending," the bulk of the passage discussed why people were too dim to appreciate modern art... it just seems innately condescending. (As a music student, I've voiced similar opinions about lack of appreciation for contemporary works, so this is kind of a familiar topic to me.) Something "generally indifferent" has to be forced out of a person, such as in an interview; it's basically like "I don't know, and I don't care, so stop bothering me." "Condescendingly tolerant" is like, "God, these people are so dumb, and I can't do anything but put up with them 'cause there are so many of them, but that doesn't take away my right to complain about it." Well, at least that's the impression I get...

By shootingthemoon on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:38 pm: Edit

incognito, you're right, don't worry... it's not like anything else works

By Avis on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:47 pm: Edit

Condescendingly tolerant is the answer. I just got a response from Collegeboard.

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:47 pm: Edit

All right. Good. Soooo...any other analogies worth discussing??

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:48 pm: Edit

All right. Good. Soooo...any other analogies worth discussing??

By coolbeans on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 09:51 pm: Edit

Is it that easy to get a response from collegeboard. what did you say?

By sarah on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 10:03 pm: Edit

Can someone clear up for me what readings are actually counting on this test??

By alejandro on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 10:53 pm: Edit

wait, was the plunder: bandits one actually on the experimental?

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 10:56 pm: Edit

yes. that was the consensus that we have SEEMED to reach, at least. I just wanted to know that analogy because...well, just because it was a challenge and i wanted to make sure i got it right. Sorry about the confusion there...

By SmarTpantz on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 11:44 pm: Edit

the plunder analogy is on the experimental section...which section is that?

By incognito on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 11:45 pm: Edit

SmarTpantz, I didnt even take the test; so I dont know; but can you please tell me what the plunder analogy was??

By whatwas it on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 01:47 am: Edit

what was the second analogy i forgot...

By kj on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 01:47 am: Edit

doesnt add up hold up lemm ethink

By what are you talkin about on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 01:48 am: Edit

what?

By ... on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 01:49 am: Edit

lol u guys are nuts

By ... on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 01:49 am: Edit

lol u guys are nuts

By glareprotector on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 06:20 am: Edit

fyi the answer to the tiles question was E:180
Does anyone know which analogies were in the experimental section?
I'm hoping that the art:exhibit one wasn't

By FutureDoc on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 08:48 am: Edit

By tt on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 10:37 am: Edit

Can someone explain the tiles question? I am still not convinced, as I have heard many differing answers. Also, does anyone know of any other forums like this?

By tt on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 10:40 am: Edit

Actually, please don't explain it yet, as I think there are still some people who didn't take the test yet due to being snowed in. If someone explains it now, then many more people may get it, making the curve worse. So please hold the explanation. Thank you.

By E.T.•••• on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 12:07 pm: Edit

why are we discussing these questions then if by giving away the correct answers we area causing detriment to our curve and thus ours scores. This is a sticky situation. Rather we should clarify the experimental section on the January SAT exam.

By Math on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Has anyone kept track of the Math questions discussed in this forum?

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 01:56 pm: Edit

EVERYBODY has to have taken the test by NOW ppl

By tt on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 02:21 pm: Edit

http://www.collegeboard.com/sat/html/center_closings_update.html

By da man on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 03:27 pm: Edit

hey tt,

im one of those "lucky" few who has one of those dates. but i would never even think about looking at a 400+ post discussion about the same test...

only thing is, IT'S NOT THE SAME TEST AS JANUARY 2003. (i called collegeboard). too bad for me!!!!

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 04:00 pm: Edit

WOW! This is by far the saddest forum I have ever come accross!!!! hundreds of posts for what?!?!?! Only like, two or three questions on the JAN SAT and constant bickering about "What the F*cking experimental section was!

By IncogWHO! on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 04:07 pm: Edit

so incognito....if u think its so sad, please just tell us what the experimental section is....and the misery will be all over!

By Mrowry on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 04:09 pm: Edit

Well, we never did settle on PAINTINGS:EXHIBIT... I say we give that another shot. ;-) KIDDING, kidding.

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 04:32 pm: Edit

Sorry, I didnt take the Jan test, "IncoqWHO"
I just came on this forum to see what the test was like because I was curious. Why are you making fun of my AME. It's a good SAT word to know, so maybe you should LOOK it up if you get a chance.

And as for you, Mrowry, thanx for what you wrote on the thread under "flash cards". I appreciate the fact that intelligent ppl like yourself visit the message boards. Thanx.

By FutureDoc on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 05:38 pm: Edit

By Mrowry on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 05:51 pm: Edit

I don't like you incognito. I just hate other jerks even more.

By Expataznamerica (Expataznamerica) on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 05:54 pm: Edit

QUESTION: For the Art Critic's general opnion of the common people, why isn't "Solemnly Respectful" even discussed as a possible answer?

By Tim on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 06:00 pm: Edit

Mrowry- Shut up. You too incognito. I'm so tired of you 2 hijacking every thread. Nobody cares About your weird ass obsession with the SAT, and mwory you are wasting your time defending people you don�t know. You aren't some heroic person so stop acting like it.

By alejandro on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 06:08 pm: Edit

was paintings: exhibit on the experimental?

the experimental is the guy cutting his beard (the verbal one)

By meryl285 on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

wow all of you (Mrowry, incog, tim) are really messed up. Esp. you, Mrowry: incog just thanked you. Dont be a stupid bitch and sit there and tell him you dont like him or whatever, you obnoxious bitch. He's only thanking you for some other thread ••••. As for you, tim, i dont believe that this crazy incog dude brought his obsessions into THIS forum, so why dont you just shut the F up unless you have something more thoughtful to say. Incognito, you're a little weird, so I'm not going to address you right this second.

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:01 pm: Edit

Tim and Mrowry, I dont know what your problems are?

As for you, meryl, I know i'm weird. JUst leave me alone, okay.

By sistafriend on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:01 pm: Edit

I hearrrrrrrrrrrrrd that!

By Mrowry on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:07 pm: Edit

incognito: Someone faked a post under my name. Lol, you must be so confused right now...
Tim: I wasn't try to "save" anyone. I myself have often become very caught up in seemingly trivial things, and it has ALWAYS frustrated me when people tried to discourage me... it's like, dammit, I'll do what I want with my life, or lack thereof. But heh, sorry about the "hijacking." Forums are addictive. :-P

By meryl285 on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:07 pm: Edit

I didn't say anything to you in the first place! Damn, I was defending you too!!

By safkl on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:14 pm: Edit

Mrowry- Sometimes discouraging someone is a good thing. If something ridiculous or unattainable is the goal, it might just be a valid suggestion.

Not trying to anger anyone, just my $ .02

By Mrowry on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:22 pm: Edit

Yeah, safkl, that's true. But I'm stubborn, and it's like accepting defeat or something, no matter how small the matter is... stopping is a conclusion one has to arrive at on one's own in order to be truly effective.

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:33 pm: Edit

i lied - i really was snowed in which is why i really want to know the answers in case i see the same questions on my test

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:37 pm: Edit

^^I dont know who wrote that 7:33 post, but it wasnt me. F*ck you whoever did!!

By ????? on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:49 pm: Edit

People plz! Alot of stuff on this board may or may not be true. And anyone here who likes dissing other people for some @#$% reason is a loser. Anyways, if u are here to do that, plz leave and go to either one of those loser chats or try to refrain, i would be happy if this forum is deleted because it is way too long.
Incognito and other people-
I was wondering, u seem to be very interested in SATs, if u are in college or graduate school why arent u concentrating on that? If u are in high school, im amazed, u seem to have been looking at these SATs for a long time why do u care? Unless u havent gotten that high score u want.

By Mrowry on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:56 pm: Edit

Read the thread titled "Flash Cards." If anything, it's a good study in psychology. :-P

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 07:59 pm: Edit

??????
First of all, I agree w/you that this whole dissing eachother out thing has gone way too far. I'm a little guilty of doing the same thing myself, so i'll just try to refrain. Sorry about that, but we ARE here to help eachother people, not to lower eachother's self esteems. So chill.
????
you asked why do i care so much. If you want an answer, look @ the forum called "flash cards." If you want me to sum it up, I just want a 1600 on my SATs, and i dont care what i have to do or how much time i have to spend to get it.

By correction on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 08:23 pm: Edit

Everyone is so worried about the curve...whell let me tell you how it works because it looks like none of you know.

Your score does not depend on how smart the other people taking the test on your test date are because there is a process called equating.
If you don't believe me look it up on collegeboard.

Basically, the people see how well you did on certain questions that are similar on each test(i'm not sure exactly how this works) Anyway, they compare how many of these you got correct with the other ones you got write or wrong. This is how they can tell if the test was a hard one or not and this is how they make the curve.

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Sooo...lets say that I take a test in "10 Real SATs" and get score X. Does that mean that score X would be different than the real thing because different questions are weighted differently?? So does 10 Real SATs have an acccurate score conversion table??

By incognito on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 09:07 pm: Edit

because i was always told that the CB did it that way...just wondering..

By sarah on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 09:25 pm: Edit

we dont effect the curve! the curve is based on the experimental section from the last sat! so stop freaking out about it. now somebody PLEASE answer me... what readings are NOT counted from this SAT???

By responding on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 11:14 pm: Edit

THe verbal section w/ the reading passage about the bearded guy.

By Mrowry on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 03:12 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember the answer choices for QUANDARY:DECISION?

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 03:15 pm: Edit

what were the choices, Mrowry, maybe I can try to help or something (sorry by the way, i didnt take the test, so of course i dont know any of the choices)...

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 03:18 pm: Edit

...or not "what were the choices Mrowry"
I didnt mean to write that. I meant to write "what were the choices, anybody?"

sorry about that.

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 06:48 pm: Edit

I'm a little confused --- what ARE the counting numbers btwn. 1 and 10? is it 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10? Or what?!?!?

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 06:54 pm: Edit

^^OK. I did not write that 6:48 post. I dont know who did. But f*ck you whoever it was!!

By Mrowry on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 07:58 pm: Edit

I thought "between" meant 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Why?
I know one answer choice for QUANDARY:DECISION was IMPROVIDENCE:FUTURE, but I don't even remember what I put... that's why I was asking.

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 08:02 pm: Edit

A quandary is like a difficult situation (like a dilemma). So PERHAPS the appropriate bridge was something like: Quandeary is when it is difficult to reach a decision, OR no effective decision can be made when one is presented with a Quandary, or something like that. Or am i wrong about these bridges?.....

By anonymous on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 08:37 pm: Edit

i thot the answer was impasse::progress

By WOW on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 09:09 pm: Edit

wow 400.. posts just for Jan of SAT I

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 09:26 pm: Edit

AN0NYMOUS,
IMPASSE::PROGRESS looks like a very good answer to me. Hmm...It is difficult/impossible to make PROGRESS in a situation like an IMPASSE, just as it is difficult/impossible to made a DECISION when one is confronted w/a situation like a QUANDARY. Did everybody else put this? I just want to make sure i'm right w/that question....

By ryan on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:09 pm: Edit

isnt a quandary more of a situation without a decision? i think this changes the meaning of the analogy some, but i cant remember the other choices

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:16 pm: Edit

But ryan, here are the definitions they provide on www.dictionary.com:

A state of uncertainty or perplexity;

situation from which extrication is difficult especially an unpleasant or trying one: ex "finds himself in a most awkward predicament"; "the woeful plight of homeless people" [syn: predicament, plight]

2: state of uncertainty or perplexity especially as requiring a choice between equally unfavorable options

So then wouldnt the correct answer be IMPASSE:PROGRESS?....

By ryan on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:36 pm: Edit

NO! YOURE WRONG!!!!!!!!!! haha just kidding. i dont know, maybe. i cant remember if i put that though. i remember debating between it and another, but i just cannot remember the other one. hmm does anyone else remember the different choices?

By Shadow_Wolf (Shadow_Wolf) on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:39 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure that the answer to that analogy is IMPASSE:PROGRESS because, even if it isn't a perfect match, it made more sense than the other choices (which I don't remember).

By Shadow_Wolf (Shadow_Wolf) on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:42 pm: Edit

By the way, the analogy seems really familiar, maybe it showed up in some practice book...I'm not really sure, but I could've sworn that I was having deja-vu when I saw that question.

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 10:45 pm: Edit

soooooo.....does anybody know for SURE? COME on now! I just know i wont be able to sleep tonight unless i know i'm right...

By Shadow_Wolf (Shadow_Wolf) on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 11:02 pm: Edit

hmmm...although I could not find that specific question, in the 10th edition of the SAT verbal work book they have an analogy that has the word quandary in it:

QUANDARY:SOLUTION
a)cause:effect
b)impasse:traffic
c)captive:escape
d)chemical compound
e)maze:exit

The answer is e) maze:exit...I don't know whether or not this will be any help though..

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 11:11 pm: Edit

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!! WOW!!! Shadow, whether you realize it or not, you just made my day! I GOT THAT ANALOGY RIGHT!

Here:
because a QUANDARY is a state of perplexity and is essentially a dilemma, the arrival of a SOLUTION is highly unlikely because of the very nature of the QUANDARY - A SITUATION IN WHICH IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET TO A SOLUTION!!
LIKEWISE, A MAZE IS A SITUATION (OR A THING IN THIS CASE) IN WHICH IT IS DIFFICULT TO REACH AN EXIT!
none of the others work. CAPTIVE:ESCAPE, however, comes very close: however, a captive is a person who will should not escape, so to speak. I dont really know why MAZE:EXIT is the better answer, but it's what i put. CAPTIVE:ESCAPE comes VERY close to being the right answer. The purpose of a quandary is to HINDER the process or reaching solution, as the purpose of a maze is to HINDER the process of reaching an exit.

By sarah on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 11:42 pm: Edit

this wasnt the question on the sat, though. the sat question had harder answer choices. and incognito, i thought you didnt take the january sat?

By incognito on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 - 11:47 pm: Edit

I didnt take the Jan SAT, sarah. What makes you think I did? I simply think that IMPASSE:PROGRESS is the answer because it looks like a good one...

By bump on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 12:52 am: Edit

bump

By anonymous on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 09:20 am: Edit

woot

By ak on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 09:23 am: Edit

could someone please tell me who john and susi were

By sarah on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 11:06 am: Edit

"IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!! WOW!!! Shadow, whether you realize it or not, you just made my day! I GOT THAT ANALOGY RIGHT!" - incognito. why did you get so excited about that analogy?

By incognito on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

Because it was the hardest one in the set, and knowing that i got the hardest one right lets me know that i have a good shot at the others...duh

By FutureDoc on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 03:05 pm: Edit

Incognito, I used to respect you, but you are starting to freak me out. Why are you here in the first place... You didn't even take the test...

By incognito on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 03:12 pm: Edit

WOW FutureDoc. Some harsh words there. Sorry to upset you ppl. I honestly didnt mean to. Why am I starting to fread you out? I havent done anything wrong, ok. Listen, I know i didnt take the test. The problem is that I have taken practically every practice test published by the College board, and i guess you can say that I'm a little desperate for new questions. I'm really sorry, FutureDoc, just try to understand that my intention was not to upset you or "freak you out"...

By Mrowry on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 03:18 pm: Edit

Maybe he took the test and therefore wants to see what answers other people put, but doesn't want to SEEM like he took it in case people start asking about scores, and he wants to keep his private. At least, that's something I would do if I had been taking them as long as he. Plus, secrecy gives a 1600 more presence when it's revealed, no?

By reality on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 04:40 pm: Edit

guys •••• the ••••••• test made by those fuckers. it's over. go out, go to parties, and bang your frustrations out on some girl, ok? obviously nothing can change your scores now, eh?

life is waaay too short!!

By incognito on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 04:47 pm: Edit

wow, College Conf didnt censor fuckers?
hmm...well whatever. Listen, "reality," i dont really know (or care) about you, but I do know that a lot of the peole here (as well as myself) are very anxious about this test, OK. It's not your business if you dont care. Dont tell us what to do. How would you like it if I told you to go and bang some girl after I told you that you have cancer or something? Some of us happen to care.

By the way, FutureDoc, again, sorry about that stuff before. But I am really curious about these questions.

One other thing: I emailed the college board about the curve question. I can expect a reply in 3 business days or something. When I get it, I'll be sure to post it here.

By Bard (Bard) on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:33 pm: Edit

incognito, i would like to know what you got on ur real SAT. Thnx. By the way i bought Grubers and i am going through the math as u said.

By FutureDoc on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:36 pm: Edit

I'm real pissed at you Incrapnito! I even wet my pants over this....!

By Incognito on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:46 pm: Edit

Shut the hell up FutureDoc you idiot.

Bard -- I got 1020 (480 M 510 V)

By incognito on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:47 pm: Edit

Ok, first of all, FutureDoc, I am almost positive that's not really you, and some clown is just impersonating you to p*ss me off for some reason. If it is you, FutureDoc, then I dont know why you have such a problem with me. I have never done anything wrong to you, so please.

Bard, WOW man, you really want to do well. Bard, you seem to be accepting ONLY what I am telling you. I suggest you contact some other sources. I am not like an expert or anything. I have been preparing for the SAT for about 2.5-3 years now (I know, I know, I'm a miserable mother f*cker, so sue me and yell at me for being a loser, everyone). I got an 800m/730v on my SAT. Bard, if you like, you can visit the forum called "Flash cards" on this website. You may find some helpful info. I hope you do well, Bard, you sound like a very dedicated person.

I did NOT write that 5:46 post! Dont listen to him bard and FutureDoc.

By reality on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 07:39 pm: Edit

"How would you like it if I told you to go and bang some girl after I told you that you have cancer or something?"

That's totally different. Retarded comparison, buddy.

And I do care about the test (in fact I got 1520 with *moderate* preparation), but there's a fine line between caring about it and obsessing a week after the test over questions that you now have no control over.

By incognito on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 07:44 pm: Edit

"reality" let me try to pull you back down to earth. I was making an ANALOGY w/the cancer thing there. (apparently your failure to understand that analogy makes me curious about that supposed 1520 that your talking about). So since your so simple minded, let me alter that analogy for you. How would you feel if we told you to stop worrying after telling you something that made you very worried? Happy?

This forum is completely dead anyway, so who gives a f*ck what we discuss on it?

By FutureDoc on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 05:41 pm: Edit

Sorry, incongito, no hard feelings...

By reality on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 06:03 pm: Edit

incognito: i don't even know why i'm talking to you, dimwit.

but of course it's an analogy, dumbass. but it's a BAD analogy that compares two things that are not the same severity, simple-minded fool.

so moron, don't call me names and i won't call you names. it's people like you who make the SAT an unreliable test in admissions-- by studying and prepping for so much.

face reality-- you're simple-minded....

By incognito on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 06:09 pm: Edit

"reality" you say we shouldnt call eachother names; a little hypocrytical comming from somebody who just called me a simple-minded fool. Why are you even on this forum, anyway? Do you remember any questions? Do you have any solutions? What the hell do you want? What are you looking for?

You say that "it's people like you who make the SAT an unreliable test in admissions-- by studying and prepping for so much." Well what the hell do you expect us to do? It's a very important test. Futures are on the line. A good SAT score can make all the difference. Also, "reality" your statement is completely paradoxical in itself. Studing and prepping indicates a level of intelligence. A LACK of intelligence would be to NOT prep. Prepping is a good idea.

"you're simple-minded"
For your information, i got an 800m/730v score. Have a nice day.

By SB on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 07:50 pm: Edit

To Hope, who posted on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 08:26 pm:

Sorry I took so long in getting back; I've been neck deep in homework.... :-( I'm 99.99% sure that the bearded man passage was experimental, because my sequence of sections was: math-verbal-math-verbal..., and that website (in my previous post) shows that the fourth section in such a sequence would be the experimental one, (on the Jan 25 test date, that is). The fourth section, for me, was the one with the bearded man. Which is good, because that's the section I messed up on. :-)

incognito: no news yet....

By reality on Saturday, February 01, 2003 - 02:40 am: Edit

incognito: sorry for yelling and basically being a jackass. you're smart.

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