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By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 09:51 pm: Edit

For all your needs tomorrow, enjoy.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 10:40 pm: Edit

I know that I can take no more
It ain't no lie
I want to see (the PSAT) out that door
Baby bye bye bye......

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:16 pm: Edit

its not that important

By Collegefreak (Collegefreak) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:51 am: Edit

I'm pretty nervous for some reason....

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:48 am: Edit

Bump. No one's taking it?
Jason, I beg to differ. A $10K scholarship is pretty good, don't you think?

By Beenthereil (Beenthereil) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:50 am: Edit

Just learned...when I went to wake up my junior son for the PSAT test today...that, because of some administrative snafu, he is not signed up to take the test today!

Is there another date this year? Is he "finished" til next year?

Thanks.

By Digmedia (Digmedia) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:16 am: Edit

There is a test Oct 21, but it's a once a year deal and only the junior year counts. There ARE some provisions for making up a test that was missed, but you must report it quickly. Check the college board site.

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:11 am: Edit

Any takers?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:16 am: Edit

BLINDED FROM OR BLINDED TO? Grrr.... I put no error for that one

Also...
The question about the guy who thought that what he believed was correct. All the choices were bad... but D was the least among evils.

By Altsuperhero (Altsuperhero) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:25 am: Edit

yeah, fairy, i put no error too, but now i'm feeling inclined toward blinded to (Choice D, I think) ... damn, there goes my buffer
what question are you referring to for "the guy who though..." ?

By Billiam2 (Billiam2) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:25 am: Edit

blinded by? i didnt take the test, though. of the choice,s from sounds better.

how was it in general

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:29 am: Edit

Altsuperhero I am referring to the question "improving sentences" first question on second page of "improving sentences." The not only , but question... you know.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:29 am: Edit

I am scared of the possible 80 80 79 writing curve.

By Encomium (Encomium) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:45 am: Edit

that was hard
hard
hard
the math sucks
that math was soooo bad ...way harder than the student bulletin
verbal/writing weren't bad

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:46 am: Edit

I put that "blinded to" was the error.

Other questions:

How did the "muckraker" see himself?
I was deliberating b/t reformer and obj. journalist.

Was the answer to the last question on 2nd section of math 38? I think I misread the question, and it may be 83.

I got quite a few D's in the quantitative comparisons. For the one with the circle with radius 4 (length of PR v. 6 or something like that), and 2 more before or after (can't remember anymore).

Arghh, can't think of any more questions right now, but they'll come back to me in time. I have a bad feeling about the test...
Do you think that the curve on math would be 80, 78...?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:47 am: Edit

of course the math curve is always like that.

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:51 am: Edit

i've only seen two PSAT scoring guides in the past before so please excuse my ignorance

can i get help on my other questions

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:51 am: Edit

I put that there was no error. But, now that I think about it, I'm almost certain that it was "blind to" because the sentence was like, " we need not make ourselves blind from," if it had been we need not blind ourselves from" it would've been correct.

I said obj. journalist.

Last question on the 2nd section of math was 49 (it asked for the original number).

Yes, the one with the circle with radius 4 was D.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:52 am: Edit

obj. journalist.

The answer was 49.

By Imperator_Shaf (Imperator_Shaf) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:53 am: Edit

I said "blinded to"

the first reading comp was easy imo, but the second was kinda tough. I put that the writer saw him himself as an "objective reporter".

I got 4-5 d's for qcs in math.

What were some of the fill-in answers you guys remember? I can recall 10.5, 3/5, 1, 94.

By Underqualified (Underqualified) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:53 am: Edit

Phantom- the last math question was 49.

I think blinded to was right b/c blinded from means that the second part was the cause (and it wasn't, it was what they were shielded form), and I am pretty sure the muckraker one was objective journalist, because it said he tried to present the company from a historical perspective.

The radius one was D.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:53 am: Edit

What did you people put for the "not only" question with the guy who always thought what he believed was correct, and expected everyone else to agree with him.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:54 am: Edit

For the fill-ins I can remember 10.5, 3/5, 1, 84, and 49.

By Imperator_Shaf (Imperator_Shaf) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:54 am: Edit

argh... kevinklein you're right, I just realized that :(

By Dumbgirl (Dumbgirl) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:55 am: Edit

ok, i got the stupid motorboat propeller one its supposed to be canoe and paddles but i put mast and sail. stupid,

then i got adept and skill wrong but putting protected and shelter. what a retard.

did anyone get 24 for the volume of the cube????

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:56 am: Edit

Why did the author include that beauty soaks into reality like it does in a rag? (or something like that)

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:57 am: Edit

reinforces. can someone answer

"What did you people put for the "not only" question with the guy who always thought what he believed was correct, and expected everyone else to agree with him."

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:57 am: Edit

Dumbgirl, I remember the adept:skill analogy, and I remember that I did NOT choose protected:shelter, but I can't remember the other choices; do you?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:58 am: Edit

vigorous:energy

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:59 am: Edit

Ah yes, that's what I put. Thanks fairy.

And...

Why did the author include that beauty soaks into reality like it does in a rag? (or something like that)

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:00 pm: Edit

IT REinforces a previous idea mentioned

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:00 pm: Edit

Fairy, I believe I put something like:

because he believed that he was always correct and that others should share the same view.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:00 pm: Edit

And how about the math question that was like, in April some dude's average was 25, in May it was 20, in May he worked twice as many days.

Column A: Total Average
Column B: 22

By Encomium (Encomium) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:01 pm: Edit

what grid in was 84

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:03 pm: Edit

That I disagree with; the author did not mention beauty until that sentence (until after he mentioned that physicists discovered the atomization thing).

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:06 pm: Edit

Kevinkleinzz,
oh i wrote B for that one

By Imperator_Shaf (Imperator_Shaf) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:06 pm: Edit

Kevin, i'm pretty sure it was B.

If I remember correctly, he worked twice as many days in May as in April so the total average came out to be 21.667

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:06 pm: Edit

I mean, sorry, the grid-in wasn't 84. It was 192.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:06 pm: Edit

Bump. No one's taking it?
Jason, I beg to differ. A $10K scholarship is pretty good, don't you think?


only if you're top 99.5%ile...It really doesn't matter.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:08 pm: Edit

"That I disagree with; the author did not mention beauty until that sentence (until after he mentioned that physicists discovered the atomization thing). "

I'm 99% sure it was that it "reinforced a previous idea mentioned." It reinforced the idea that beauty permeates all levels of nature. All the other choices were def wrong.

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:09 pm: Edit

which was greater:

a^2+b^2 or c^2?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:09 pm: Edit

c^2

By Frenchfries (Frenchfries) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:10 pm: Edit

For the last grid-in in the last math section, I had 94...and you all say it was 49...and I want to cry.

How about the last sentence completion in the second verbal section? The choices had words like aquit, iniquity, exculpate, etc? It was the only one I skipped.

Number 28 in the writing section had something to do with recycling and aluminum, and I remember wavering between like three answers but settling on C. I know I put no error (A) for 30 and 31. Does this sound good?

For the double reading passage about muckraking/ journalism, what was the answer to the question about what the two authors would disagree on? I had no idea but I didn't want to skip another one so I put C.

I feel incredibly stupid, so I'm sure I'll think of some mroe stuff later.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:10 pm: Edit

That's one that I screwed up. On the test I said A, but I'm positive that's wrong.

a + b > c

so a^2 + 2ab + b^2 > c^2

Therefore, I think it was D.

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:10 pm: Edit

"I'm 99% sure it was that it "reinforced a previous idea mentioned." It reinforced the idea that beauty permeates all levels of nature. All the other choices were def wrong. "

AGREED!!

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:12 pm: Edit

Frenchfries, they disagreed on the susceptibility of people to dubious arguments. passage 1 said that they were very susceptible, passage 2's author had faith that "the vituperations would weary down... and" only true arguments will have an effect. Both people were concerned with people's reactions to factual reporting.

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:17 pm: Edit

"Frenchfries, they disagreed on the susceptibility of people to dubious arguments. passage 1 said that they were very susceptible, passage 2's author had faith that "the vituperations would weary down... and" only true arguments will have an effect. Both people were concerned with people's reactions to factual reporting. "

AGREED AGAIN~!!! i put that one too

also what was the word with the closest meaning to "fix"?? (one of the reading questions)

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:17 pm: Edit

focus

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:17 pm: Edit

writing:

the parking problem one--which one was it?
the original sentence was something like:
A major cause of the parking problems is when shoppers go downtown for well-advertised sales.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:18 pm: Edit

A major cause of the parking problems is THAT

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit

oh put those ones too!!
what about the analogy tailor:clothes

By Dumbgirl (Dumbgirl) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit

was it -8 or -15? (1st section math)
72 or 12 for volume cube?

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit

Why was Roosevelt upset with Tarbell and Baker when he said that they weren't "practical"?

1. they didn't have enough info
2. they didn't realize the ramifications of their actions

What did everyone put?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit

screen:insect??

By Dumbgirl (Dumbgirl) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit

ramifications

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit

that was one of the CHOICES?! argh! i missed that answer entirely!

another one:
Ships are now allowed to trawl....without even asking permission for it.

I said that "permission for it" was the error cuz "it" was ambiguous, but I'm starting to have second doubts.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit

-15. 24 for volume cube. tailor:clothes::carpenter:wood. Roosevelt was upset because he thought Tarbell/Baker MISSTATED the facts (it is impractical to have only facts in journalism).

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit

silentopen, i wrote that they werent concerned with the "implications of their reports"

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit

umbrella for the screen analogy

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:21 pm: Edit

no you misread the choice "they didn't realize the ramifications of their actions" was not one of the choices. the implications choice was wrong. the anwer was "misstated facts"

By Studyguy346 (Studyguy346) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:22 pm: Edit

i had some trouble with the analogies..
can someone tell what the answer was for one the last ones in section 1..

the one with ab(something) : depart

thanks

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:22 pm: Edit

No, I don't think the answer was "misstated the facts" because right before it Roosevelt says, "I don't disagree with the facts," or something like that.

Hertish, I agree with you; I put "they weren't concerned with the implications of their reports."

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:22 pm: Edit

eavesdrop:listen

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:22 pm: Edit

i thought Roosevelt was upset because he thought Tarbell/Baker werent concerned with the consequences of their reports... they were stating the FACTS CORRECTLY NOT MISSTATING THEM!

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:23 pm: Edit

No kevinkleinzz.

"I don't disagree with the facts, but (only stating the facts) is impractical. (Therefore, you are misstating the facts.)"

By Frenchfries (Frenchfries) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:23 pm: Edit

for screen:insect, I put umbrella:rain

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:23 pm: Edit

Yes, I agree with Hertish.

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:24 pm: Edit

study: it was eavesdropping:listen

kevin: i agree that it wasnt misstated facts, cuz right before, TR stated that he had no problem with the facts. I chose something like "didnt appreciate the..." The way I interpreted that was that they didnt understand the ramifications.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:24 pm: Edit

I disagree. By saying that only stating the facts is impractical is NOT saying that they are misstating the facts.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:25 pm: Edit

Therefore, I agree with Phantom and Hertish in that it was they weren't concerned with the ramifications...blah blah blah

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:25 pm: Edit

You didn't read choice D carefully.

The choice was
'didn't appreciate the implications of their reports.'

Did Baker and Tarbell not appreciate the implications of their reports? They didn't even think their reports had any negative implications, besides presenting things objectively. And moreover, was that why ROOSEVELT was upset? Come on...

By Dumbgirl (Dumbgirl) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:26 pm: Edit

why is it -15? i still got -8 for that. please explain im having a heart attack

By Leet (Leet) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:26 pm: Edit

whatd you guys get for the problem that was like y=bx+c and you could choose from -15 -8 2 8 15?

i guess 2 because i had no clue what a constant variable is...

and what about the one where you need to find the prime number between 9 and 25 or something

i think i got 5/17

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:27 pm: Edit

Oh that question was 15.
Sorry

(x-3)(x-5)=x^2-8x+15.

15.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:27 pm: Edit

Right, but that's what THEY thought. It asked what did Roosevelt thought; and by stating that he DOESN'T disagree with the facts, and instead saying that they were "impractical" he is saying that they aren't aware of the implications of their works.

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:28 pm: Edit

Dumbgirl:

I believe the cube's volume was 24 (3 x 4 x 2) and the answer to the multiplication was 15.

(x - 3)(x - 5) = x^2 - 8x + 15

By Ericng314 (Ericng314) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:28 pm: Edit

abscond? What's the answer to that thing about the slave ship?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:29 pm: Edit

yea... roosevelt was upset because they did not apprecitate the "implications of their reports"
the reporters did NOT MISSTATE THE FACTS

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:29 pm: Edit

But roosevelt surely didn't think that Baker/Tarbell hated their own reporting?

By Studyguy346 (Studyguy346) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:29 pm: Edit

what was the answer to the last analogy in section 1?

speech: (something)

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:30 pm: Edit

ROOSEVELT didn't appreciate the implications of the reporting. But Roosevelt wasn't upset because Baker/Tarbell didn't appreciate the implications of the reporting.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:30 pm: Edit

tacit:spoken::ambiguous:clear i think?

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:30 pm: Edit

That's not what the answer said, the answer said that Roosevelt thought that the were unaware of the implications of their actions (and, mind you, this question was about the second article ONLY). Tarbell even states that the primary reason she writes her article is for historical purposes; NOT to incite some action.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:31 pm: Edit

NO. The Choice WASN'T that they were unaware of the implications. It was that THEY DIDN'T APPRECIATE the implications.

Once again, ROOSEVELT didn't appreciate the implications of the reporting. But Roosevelt wasn't upset because Baker/Tarbell didn't appreciate the implications of the reporting.

By Maverick27 (Maverick27) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:32 pm: Edit

which was greater:

a^2+b^2 or c^2?

if thats the one for the triangle that u guys are talking about....it was D, not enuff info cuz a^2+b^2=c^2 ONLY for right trangles and x>90. there was no way to kno.

by the way verbal and writing were incredibly hard. verbal i narrowed it down to 2 answers like a billion times but i wasnt sure after that. writing just sucked.....that was just horrible...

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit

Maverick27.

In an obtuse trinagle

a^2+b^2<c^2. The answer was B. 100% sure on this one

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit

Which changes nothing. "Didn't appreciate" is a far better answer that "misstated facts" as Roosevelt openly states the he doesn't disagree with the facts.

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit

"tacit:spoken::ambiguous:clear "


YES

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:34 pm: Edit

He doesn't disagree with the facts, but he thinks that the reporters were not reporting facts, they were propagandizing. It is impractical to only report facts. The "didn't appreciate" answer was unjustifiable.

By Studyguy346 (Studyguy346) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:34 pm: Edit

for the writing section... were a lot of them D and E.. cuz it seemed like they sounded better when they wer more concise

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:35 pm: Edit

Um, where did you come up with propagandizing?

Is it just me? Or do other people agree that the answer was, "They didn't appreciate the implications..."

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:36 pm: Edit

And, fairy, can you explain the obtuse triangle one.

By Maranello (Maranello) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:36 pm: Edit

i know this prolly isnt relevent but anyone know when the scores are sent? and yeah im pretty sure fairy's right on a^2+b^2<c^2

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:37 pm: Edit

Even historically, you do know that Baker was one of the greatest muckrakers of that era (a lot of false reporting and misstating facts) and Roosevelt was on the polar opposite side right. You need to read choices more carefully. We'll see in December what the correct answer was.

By Maverick27 (Maverick27) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:37 pm: Edit

and guys enough with the ROosevelt already. its one question...we'll find out when we get our scores

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:38 pm: Edit

i don't believes anyone answered this yet so im reposting:

Ships are now allowed to trawl....without even asking permission for it.

I said that "permission for it" was the error cuz "it" was ambiguous, but I'm starting to have second doubts.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:39 pm: Edit

"It" was wrong.

By Maverick27 (Maverick27) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:40 pm: Edit

damnit...i did so bad.....jus from reading this i think i got like 4, 5 wrong

By Maverick27 (Maverick27) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:41 pm: Edit

but im a soph.....so w/e

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:41 pm: Edit

Can someone explain the a^2 + b^2 < c^2 one

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:42 pm: Edit

what were the other options for the tact:spoken::?:? analogy? I can't remember if i put ambiguous:clear or not -- I recall I put the correct answer but ambiguous:clear seems off because i don't think it was the most parallel.

*shrugs*

silentOpen

oh, and Roosevelt totally understood the implications (he was afraid of social upheaval and socialism), the answer choice was about whether Baker and Ida understood the ramifications.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:43 pm: Edit

They didn't understand the ramifications. But the choice was that "they didn't appreciate the implications"

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:43 pm: Edit

In the writing section, what about the one about the watch. his brother bought the watch as a army docter returning from someplace?

By Frenchfries (Frenchfries) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:43 pm: Edit

actually, it was ambiguous:certain, but I don't remember any of the other choices

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:44 pm: Edit

Dliebers, I put A for that one. His brother, an army doctor, bought it... not C

Actually, sorry Kevinkleinz and others, it was that they didn't "appreciate" the implications.

Appreciate can also mean: To be fully aware of or sensitive to; realize

I've NEVER heard appreciate used that way. So now -1 verbal, -1 writing. Hopefully none others wrong...

By Leet (Leet) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:46 pm: Edit

.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Law of cosines.

c^2=a^2+b^2-2ab*Cos[C]. If C is obtuse, Cos[C] is negative.

So c^2=a^2+b^2+k, where k>0.

So c^2>a^2+b^2.

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:49 pm: Edit

Fairyofwind!! r u a sophomore??

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:50 pm: Edit

No.

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:53 pm: Edit

for the one about duke ellington, was the line to show that his accomplishments in jazz, or jazz's wide variety of forms?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:53 pm: Edit

dramatize his accomplishments i think.

By Leet (Leet) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:54 pm: Edit

i thought it was to show the flexibility of jazz music....

but then again im practically illiterate

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:54 pm: Edit

I put it dramatized his accomplishments.
I think...

Damn brain.

silentOpen

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:58 pm: Edit

1.
Anyone know that sentence completion question that was like..."Too ___ of a political thinker...she ...overthrow of a regime..."

What was the answer for that? Anyone remember? Is it something to do with "contemplate"?

2.
About the question for the last 2-part reading comprehension. What was the answer for the definition of "fix"? Was it focus or prepare?

3. What was the answer for the sentence completion one about the "Evidence..." and the 2 people accused...and something about them will not be freed...etc.

Was the answer something about "complicity"?


THANK YOU

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:59 pm: Edit

I forget the answer of #1.

#2. I put focus
#3. Yes . Complicity

By Frenchfries (Frenchfries) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:01 pm: Edit

I put "cautious...predict" for that, butI'm not sure

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:01 pm: Edit

Yes. I think that was it.

By Davidn08 (Davidn08) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:04 pm: Edit

i know i got the one about reversing the digits =+45 wrong (i put 27), but how did you guys work out that it was 49?

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:04 pm: Edit

What was tornado (used in the first article) similar to in the second article?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:05 pm: Edit

i put flexibility of jazz music
cautious... predict
and complicity...exonerated

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:05 pm: Edit

Number is ab (10a+b).

10a+b+45=10b+a

9b-9a=45
b-a=5

a=b-5, max a = 4 since max b = 9.

So 49.

By Leet (Leet) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:05 pm: Edit

yea cautious....

key words in the problem = 'too bold'

By Justice (Justice) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:05 pm: Edit

nvm i missed a post.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:06 pm: Edit

complicity, exonerate.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:07 pm: Edit

What was tornado (used in the first article) similar to in the second article?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:07 pm: Edit

I put Revolutionary fever.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:08 pm: Edit

How about the one that was like what does "realize" most nearly mean?

Choices were something like:

generated
actualized
visualized
recognized
something else

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:08 pm: Edit

actualized?

By Politik (Politik) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:09 pm: Edit

I think it was too CAUTIOUS a political thinker to PREDICT.

I put focus for that one.

And I believe it was COMPLICITY and EXONERATED (or exculpated...one of those)

Here's my question:

What was the answer to the math problem that gave you the slope of a rectangle (2/3) and asked to find the area?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:09 pm: Edit

We all agree

that both authors
were concerned with "people's reactions to factual reporting"

yet both authors
disagreed with "people's susceptibility to dubious arguments"

right?

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:10 pm: Edit

Yea, I put actualized as well.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:11 pm: Edit

Oh yea and the guy didn't perceive the inherent link between atoms and symmetry right?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:11 pm: Edit

And the type of work that would most fit "high culture" is the opera drawn from African oral tradition?

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

do you guys remember for that math question, multiple choice #19 section 2....the clock with the degrees, was 5h/3 choice B or choice D? --idk if its different on different forms of the test, but this was on a Form S test. anyone have this form that remembers?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

Ok, what about the sentence completion with the one about the Japanese artist person...anyone remmeber the answer for that?

BTW: this forum OWNZ

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

Yes and yes.

By Politik (Politik) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

it was opera

By Leet (Leet) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

"What was the answer to the math problem that gave you the slope of a rectangle (2/3) and asked to find the area? "

oh ••••.... i thought it just want you to find the other point? oh noo... did i misread the problem?

are we even talking about the same one?

:(

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit

Aoe2guy, it was 5h/3

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

leet, it was 6 for that one...lol

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

i remember having 3 D's in math section 4, how bout u guys?

One was logic in the beginning.

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

yeah i know that was the answer but i think i gridded it wrong, thats why i was asking what choice it was (b) or (d)? on form s

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

complicity...NOT exonerated

By Politik (Politik) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

no i think you're talking about the sqaure with the vertices

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

Aoe2guy there is only one form. Form S. S for Saturday.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

Yea the sum was 10.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

dudes, for the LAST QUESTION of the QCs...what was it?? It was about this dude that was working in april and may...and something about the average $...I put D but...i think i may be wrong?

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit

oh okay, so do you remember what choice 5h/3 was?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:16 pm: Edit

Jaisen: B.

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:16 pm: Edit

Lets everyone get together in a chat room at www.teenchat.com

go to private chat room and the password is SAT

everyone join

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:16 pm: Edit

aoe2guy:

5h/3 was (b) i believe (75%).

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:17 pm: Edit

fairy come on, plz tell me that you remember....atleast try to, like i remember that 3h/5 was choice C, idk if that helps you remember?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:17 pm: Edit

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Lol...damn...how did you figure it out? I thought it was cuz they didnt give you the # of days that he workd so i put D...oh well

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:17 pm: Edit

5h/3 is right

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:18 pm: Edit

I don't remember. Sorry...

By Dumbgirl (Dumbgirl) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:18 pm: Edit

um the one about in section 1 the slope ws 2/3 or something

i chose the smallest one, i think A. for the area of the rectange. anyone else???????? i think i got 2/3. is that right?????

and why is the high culture opera and not the classical orchestra?

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:19 pm: Edit

and another question, this practice PSAT given by the CB to my guidance dept. shows the math curve as 40=80, 39=78, 38=75, 37=74.....now id understand that there is only one way to get an 800, but is the rest of this curve almost always the same way as listed above? can it start to change (for the better) around 38,37? even if its by 10 or 20pts im sayin?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:19 pm: Edit

It's ok man...I wish we can like put our memories together and recreate the test...lol

6 weeks is a long wait...

By Politik (Politik) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:19 pm: Edit

Does anyone have the answer to the slope problem in the first math section?

It gave you a rectangle...the slope......and asked for its area.

Somehow I don't remember what I put.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:19 pm: Edit

Classical orchestra doesn't draw upon folk elements.

And I got 2/3 for the area one. I don't remember that question very well

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit

Wait a min...the answer for the Harlem thing with the symphony or the folklore opera...it was OPERA?!?!?

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit

I got 2/3 for the area.

By Politik (Politik) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit

those guys wanted to retain culture, with their "high" art form...or something.

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit

i remember the 8 grid in questions if anyone is trying to remember them.....anyone remember any tough QCs? (besides the avg and law of cosine one)

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit

It's "high culture" with influences from folk elements... so def opera

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit

2/3 isnt the area...it's 6

2=rise
3=run

2x3=6

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:21 pm: Edit

the question said that that thing travels 10 degrees in 1 min (1/60 hr) so what is the formula for h hrs.

therefore, for (1/60 hr) = (1/36 degree)
h hrs = x degrees
Cross Multiply
and then you get

X/60 = h/36
and there fore x = 60h/36 = 5h/3

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:21 pm: Edit

2/3 is right because the x coord was 1 so (2/3)/1 = 2/3 which makes the y coord of the corner = 2/3. Then x * y = 2/3.

The opera/orchestra thing is opera because the thinkers of the renaissance were "mining" their rich tradition for content. The opera was based on heritage whereas the classical orchestra thing is just Black people performing a European creation.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:21 pm: Edit

Jaisen. The coordinate of the other corner was (1, 2/3). The origin is at (0, 0). 1 * (2/3) = 2/3.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:22 pm: Edit

wait...it tells you the slope was 2/3...how is the corner at (1,2/3) if the slope was 2/3?

are we talkin about the same question?

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:22 pm: Edit

anyone joining teenchat?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:23 pm: Edit

The slope is 2/3. Because the segment is from (0,0)-(1,2/3).

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:23 pm: Edit

we should all go into a chat room and talk about the SATs....POST YOUR AIM SN HERE!!! WE WILL MAKE A CHAT!

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:23 pm: Edit

fairy, jaisen, silentopen,aoe2guy,kevink ... everyone join the chatroom in teenchat.com

private room, and password if SAT

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:24 pm: Edit

ok...but if you use the slope formula...the slope of (0,0) to (1,2/3) isnt 2/3??

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:24 pm: Edit

Yes, we're talking about the same question. The slope of the line is 2/3 and it ran through the origin, thus it's y-intercept is 0. The equation of the line is y=(2/3)x, plugging in x=1 you get the point (1,2/3) as the upper, right vertice. Thus, the area = 1*(2/3) = 2/3

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:25 pm: Edit

Sorry... I'm getting tired of this bantering. I think i will take a shower, grab some food and go watch Mystic River. :)

By Politik (Politik) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:26 pm: Edit

What was the question (And answer) for the problem in the grid in that talked about candy distribution? It's bugging me that I can't remember.

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:26 pm: Edit

teenchat.com

private
password : SAT

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:27 pm: Edit

yea it was if 5 ppl share 3 candies then what fraction of one candy does one person get

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:27 pm: Edit

i understand what you mean...but why does it have to be x=1??

Did I miss a piece of information in the question?

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:28 pm: Edit

Heh... anyone else get this eerie feeling that the box question was out of place on the PSAT until you read the part about INTEGER side lengths? Heh... calculus not required.

By Beenthereil (Beenthereil) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:29 pm: Edit

Dig...Thanks a million.

We got there a few minutes late and they let him sit for the exam because the proctor was still talking!

WHEW!!!!!

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:31 pm: Edit

Tell me why
Ain't nothin' but a heartache
Tell me why
Ain't nothin' but a stupid PSAT mistake...

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:32 pm: Edit

how many of u think u have chances of making national merit scholarship semi final?

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:33 pm: Edit

Heh, "made" it last year.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:33 pm: Edit

me

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:34 pm: Edit

so...silentopen...your words of wisdom confuse me...so it cannot be 2/3?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:35 pm: Edit

lol...cocky mothers...

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:35 pm: Edit

Everyone here post their AIM SN's we're making a chat room

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:35 pm: Edit

any other ppl on if they remember what answer CHOICE was for the clock question - #19 answer: 5h/3, but was it choice b or choice d....someone said they think its B and hopefully it is because i dont want to think that i misgridded for that question

By Matt37 (Matt37) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:36 pm: Edit

just make the chat room, post the name, and people can join...

By Silentopen (Silentopen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:36 pm: Edit

no, it must be 2/3. This is because the slope is 2/3. Think of it this way:

y increases by 2 for every 3 that x increases.
so, if x increases by only 1, then y must increase by 1/3 of its value. so the y coord is 2/3. since one corner of the box is the origin and you know the opposite corner, you know the length and height (1 and 2/3). Then you just multiply.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:37 pm: Edit

The name is:

Chat 15163146861290610942

By Topgear (Topgear) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:40 pm: Edit

Great Fourm!

Anyways, damn... if it was 2/3, I got it wrong.. I put 6.

and the one about the circle and how it goes 10 degrees per second (That was one of problems that I went back to when there was 2 minutes left) I put 3h/5 because it makes a full circle in 36 seconds. 36/60 makes its .6 of a minute. From there I circled in 3H/5 because 3/5 also equals .6. I guess I was wrong.

How many times did you circle in "E" for the writing section. Out of the 39 questions, I think I circled in about 4-5 of them

By Imperator_Shaf (Imperator_Shaf) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:42 pm: Edit

wasn't 5h/3 C for #19 on section 2? I thought 3h/5 was B.

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:42 pm: Edit

Anyone remember the question about dancing (it was in the writing section)? It had something to do with schools and legacy

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:43 pm: Edit

Oh yea that question. Left no school and no legacy other than nonconformity.

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:46 pm: Edit

im like 97% sure that 3h/5 was C

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:48 pm: Edit

All right. Thank you all. I have gone through all the questions I had some doubt about. -1 writing, -1 verbal

Great... now moving on to bigger and better things

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:54 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember a certain writing question dealing with a mummy? I remember debating between an answer with a semicolon and one with however...can anyone help me out?

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:56 pm: Edit

say i got 5-6 questions wrong per category (of which there were 3), what would my grade look like out of 240?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 01:59 pm: Edit

About 210

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:02 pm: Edit

id say math would be 680, verbal would be like 730, writing probably 750...so ~216

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:04 pm: Edit

Probably lower than 216 based on past curves

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:06 pm: Edit

ANYONE REMEMBER ANY ANSWERS TO ANY SENTENCE COMPLETIONS, ANALOGIES, OR QCs

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:10 pm: Edit

fairy idk if you remember, but there was one SC that was slightly harder than the others.....i think it was in the second verbal section towards the end, a 2-blank SC i think including words like ornamental, etc.....and actually there was another SC with 1-blank that had like 2 hard words, one of them started with an "r"

By Wickedpriest (Wickedpriest) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:14 pm: Edit

go to Teenchat.co, and sign in with SAT as the password to get instant feed back on today's test!

By Davidn08 (Davidn08) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:14 pm: Edit

come on people, relax, it's over. it's only the psat.

By Collegefreak (Collegefreak) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit

there was a sentence completion with repudiate, vidicate, disseminate, etc...

which one was it..?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:26 pm: Edit

repudiate. of course

By Cutie911 (Cutie911) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:29 pm: Edit

the last one on the math could have 38, right? because 38+45=83

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:29 pm: Edit

if we go to our guidance counselors in a week asking for copies of the pSAT that we took, will they be able to give it to us? i know that some schools give the tests back when they recieve the scores, and they give back each test to its real owner, i.e. Susan B gets the exact test that she took with all her scrap work n everything....so do you think after both administrations are completed, i could get my copy from the counselor? its just hard to think that they ship the tests back to the Cb along with the answers

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:30 pm: Edit

the last one on the math could have 38, right? because 38+45=83

NO. The only correct answer is 49

Because it asked fro the largest one

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:30 pm: Edit

Cutie: they wanted the largest possible value of the original number, which was 49. personally, i have the feeling that people who got 49 and understood the question mightve have mistakenly gridded in 94, not seeing that the original number was asked for

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:32 pm: Edit

Yes quite a few people gridded 94 at my school

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:34 pm: Edit

fairy, do you know if i can get a copy of my test after both administrations?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:35 pm: Edit

You get a copy of your own test back. Yes. But when, I forget.

By Cutie911 (Cutie911) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:37 pm: Edit

thanks guys, for the writing section of the test, did you guys get lots of E's and D's for your answers? i thought that was really weird

By Metra (Metra) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 02:54 pm: Edit

No.. i got max 3 E's from 1-19

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:08 pm: Edit

Again, please excuse my ignorance:

How is the curve determined for the PSAT and SAT?
Does Collegeboard look at the overall raw scores of everyone who took the test and set up a fair curve based on that? So if a certain test is harder and more people do badly, is the curve more lenient for that test?

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:08 pm: Edit

(erasing my second post)

By Mrmrorange (Mrmrorange) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:13 pm: Edit

the answer IS DEFINATELY 49.

Now, if anyone remembers any questions in the journalism critical reading, please tell what you put. IMO, it was BY FAR the hardest part of the test.

By Curiousstudent (Curiousstudent) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:36 pm: Edit

On the writing part,
1) What was the error to the one with Kepler discovering something?
2) What was the improving paragraph question that we had to change the way the examples were given (with the watch?)

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:45 pm: Edit

What was tornado (used in the first article) similar to in the second article?

was it revolutionary fever or muckrakers??

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:51 pm: Edit

A FEW QUESTIONS

V-3. austerity sentence completion. (something)...spontaneous (C)?
V-9. Cornerstone:Fundamental::Facade:Essential?

V-31. Japanese artist: (D)resilence...?
V-48. fix = arrange (C)?

Wr-18? Belying on... Answer? (I left it blank)

More to come...as I start to recall them.

HERE IS A LIST OF ALL CURRENT CONFIRMED ANSWERS

VERBAL

Sentence Completions
4. cautious...predict (political thinker)
32. repudiate (book publishers)
33. complicity...exonerated (pair in crime)

Analogies
6. (A) motorboat:propellor::canoe:paddles
10. (C) abscond:depart::eavesdrop:listen
11. (C) screen:insect::umbrella:rain
XX. tacit:spoken::ambiguous:clear

Reading Comprehension
Kepler
18. (C) beauty soaks into reality reinforces assertion
Harlem
19. (D) Opera drawn from African oral tradition
23. realized = actualized
Journalists
51. (B) tornado = revolutionary fever


MATH

Multiple Choice
XX. (D) 24 (Volume of cube)
XX. (B) 5/17 (Primes from 9-25)
XX. (A) 15 (x=3,x=5)
XX. (A) 2/3 (Line with slope 2/3)

Quantative Comparisons
30. (B) c²>a²+b²
XX. (D) Circle with radius 4 and point on diameter

Grid-Ins
33. 10.5 (Line segment)
34. 3/5 (Split candy)
3X. 192 (ab^n)
36. 10 (sum vertices)
40. 49 (flipped two digit number)

WRITING

Sentence Corrections
XX. major cause of parking problems is THAT
XX. left no school and no legacy other than nonconformity

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:52 pm: Edit

V-3. austerity sentence completion. (something)...spontaneous (C)?
V-9. Cornerstone:Fundamental::Facade:Essential?

V-31. Japanese artist: (D)resilence...?
V-48. fix = arrange (C)?

Wr-18? Belying on... Answer? (I left it blank)

V-3 is right.
V-9 is incorrect. Ornament:decorative was correct.
V-31 is right.
V-48 is wrong: focus was correct.
Wr-18 was "implicated"

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:52 pm: Edit

revolutionary fever...it represented the public opinion..which was the thing that the tornado originally symbolized.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:57 pm: Edit

WE SHOULD TRY STEALING COPIES OF THE PSAT!!!! ANY IDEAS??? LOL

By Desigothic (Desigothic) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:57 pm: Edit

ah crap, i think i messed up soo bad on the test. i probably got around 170 or maybe 180 at most.

By Stressball (Stressball) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:58 pm: Edit

could someone please explain the answer to wr-18 ("implicated")?

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:58 pm: Edit

yah jaisen i put that too. did anyone else think that writing was REALLY easy?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:59 pm: Edit

what was the question for the japanese artist???
i think i put restraint

By Viral (Viral) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:02 pm: Edit

Do we ever get to know what the scale is for this test?

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:06 pm: Edit

V-9 is incorrect. Ornament:decorative was correct.

How do you know? You can really reason it both ways between the two.

ORNAMENT:DECORATIVE
A cornerstone is fundamental.
An ornament is decorative.

FACADE:ESSENTIAL
A cornerstone is essential to the construction of a building.
A facade is essential to the construction of a building. (All buildings have facades.)

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:06 pm: Edit

resilience, hertish...not restrait...

DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THE TEST??!?! LOL

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:07 pm: Edit

OCT. 18 PSAT CONFIRMED ANSWERS AS OF 4:07 ET
(Confirmed = more than 3 identical responses plus no counterargument)

VERBAL

Sentence Completions
3. (C) ()...spontaneous (austere poet)
4. (C) cautious...predict (political thinker)
31. (D) resilence...durability (Japanese artist)
32. (A) repudiate (book publishers)
33. (B) complicity...exonerated (pair in crime)

Analogies
6. (A) motorboat:propellor::canoe:paddles
10. (C) abscond:depart::eavesdrop:listen
11. (C) screen:insect::umbrella:rain
XX. tacit:spoken::ambiguous:clear

Reading Comprehension
Kepler
18. (C) beauty soaks into reality reinforces assertion

Harlem
19. (D) Opera drawn from African oral tradition
23. realized = actualized

Journalists
51. (B) tornado = revolutionary fever

MATH

Multiple Choice
XX. (D) 24 (Volume of cube)
XX. (B) 5/17 (Primes from 9-25)
XX. (A) 15 (x=3,x=5)
XX. (A) 2/3 (Line with slope 2/3)

Quantative Comparisons
30. (B) c²>a²+b²
XX. (D) Circle with radius 4 and point on diameter

Grid-Ins
33. 10.5 (Line segment)
34. 3/5 (Split candy)
3X. 192 (ab^n)
36. 10 (sum vertices)
40. 49 (flipped two digit number)

WRITING
XX. major cause of parking problems is THAT
XX. left no school and no legacy other than nonconformity

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:08 pm: Edit

being essential is not a quality of the facade

being decorative is a quality of the ornatment
being fundamental is a quality of the cornerstone

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:12 pm: Edit

Damn it. I answered B (Ornament) originally but changed it to C (Facade...)at the last minute.

That's confirmed -3 verbal for me. >=(

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:13 pm: Edit

well, we all hate SATs lol

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:15 pm: Edit

was expanding an answer for one ofthe cr questions on duke ellington?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:16 pm: Edit

i put expanding....forgot the question though...

Oh yea it was about how he expanded his skills?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:18 pm: Edit

what was the exact question about the "japanese artist"??

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:18 pm: Edit

jaise, do u remember some other answer choices to the question about what did the author of passage 1 emphaisize more on than the author of pasage 2? i think it was for the cr on journalism.

By Curiousstudent (Curiousstudent) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:19 pm: Edit

was there a writing question that used in order to correct we needed to put a semicolon?

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:20 pm: Edit

TO SUPPORT MY ANSWER COMPILATION PROJECT, please help by listing as many answers as you know that are not already on my list, including what you might consider "easy".

What was V-5 (the one about the speaker)?

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:21 pm: Edit

curiousstent, there was one on ramses like that

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:22 pm: Edit

v-5 dour

By Phantom (Phantom) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:25 pm: Edit

For the Ramses II and mummy question in the writing, was the answer:

;however, the mummy...

OR just

;the mummy...

I put the latter because i didn't see the need for "however," and I thought it had to do with parallelism.

By Jje (Jje) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:26 pm: Edit

i put langiune or somesthing like that for the last sent comp in section 1. if thats wrong can someone tell me why

By Curiousstudent (Curiousstudent) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:29 pm: Edit

did we need to use a semicolon on the improving paragraph one with the watch and the examples of the memories? Does anyone remember that?

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:32 pm: Edit

OCT. 18 PSAT CONFIRMED ANSWERS AS OF 4:32 ET

VERBAL

Sentence Completions
3. (C) ()...spontaneous (austere poet)
4. (C) cautious...predict (political thinker)
5. dour
31. (D) resilence...durability (Japanese artist)
32. (A) repudiate (book publishers)
33. (B) complicity...exonerated (pair in crime)

Analogies
6. (A) motorboat:propellor::canoe:paddles
9. (B) cornerstone:fundamental::ornament:decoration
10. (C) abscond:depart::eavesdrop:listen
11. (C) screen:insect::umbrella:rain
XX. tacit:spoken::ambiguous:clear

Reading Comprehension
Kepler
18. (C) beauty soaks into reality reinforces assertion

Harlem
19. (D) Opera drawn from African oral tradition
22. Expanded (Duke Ellington)
23. realized = actualized

Journalists
51. (B) tornado = revolutionary fever

MATH

Multiple Choice
XX. (D) 24 (Volume of cube)
XX. (B) 5/17 (Primes from 9-25)
XX. (A) 15 (x=3,x=5)
XX. (A) 2/3 (Line with slope 2/3)

Quantative Comparisons
30. (B) c²>a²+b²
XX. (D) Circle with radius 4 and point on diameter

Grid-Ins
33. 10.5 (Line segment)
34. 3/5 (Split candy)
3X. 192 (ab^n)
36. 10 (sum vertices)
40. 49 (flipped two digit number)

WRITING
Sentence Improvements
29. ;however, (Ramses)
XX. major cause of parking problems is THAT
XX. left no school and no legacy other than nonconformity

By Underqualified (Underqualified) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:39 pm: Edit

Are you sure the japanese artist question wasn't the expedience... something choice? what was the rest of that choice?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:41 pm: Edit

and what was the exact question about the jp artist???

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:45 pm: Edit

For the sequence -1,0,1...-1,0,1
the answer was -1, correct?
each group of 3 is 0, and 50/3=16 remainder 2.
remainder 2 = -1+0 = -1

For M-30qc, 10% x = 1% y? (C)

-3V/-0M/-1Wr confirmed for me right now. I'm afraid of the -3=77 and -1=78 curves =(

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:47 pm: Edit

does anybody know the exact question about the jp artist???

-4V, 0M, -1W confirmed for me

By Suneil (Suneil) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:48 pm: Edit

I did get -1 for the answer of the 1st box of the -1,0,1 sequence, but the answer was 0 (B), not -1 (A) I believe.

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:56 pm: Edit

i got that they were equal :( (c)

By Stressball (Stressball) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:57 pm: Edit

What was the answer to the "just as... , so" question in writing? Also, what was the answer for the "implicated that" question in the same section?

By Tanman (Tanman) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:58 pm: Edit

I answered that implicated that was wrong - I thought that the intended word was "implied".

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Wr-10. (D) they
Computer is singular; its pronoun should be "it"

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:00 pm: Edit

jm, the emphasize thing i skipped...cant help you there lol

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:01 pm: Edit

what was the answer for gobble:eat

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:02 pm: Edit

Reading Comprehension additional answers
Kepler
Answer: didn't perceive the inherent link between atoms and symmetry right


Harlem
the jazz techniques arelisted to show how duke dramatized his accomplishments


Journalists
roosevelt is angry at the two reporters for not appreciating the implications of their writing

the author of passage 1 emphasizes learned experiences more than the author of passage 2

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:03 pm: Edit

what did you put for it? I dont remember what i put...but gobble is a fast and haste way of eating

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:03 pm: Edit

gobble:eat was gulp: swallow

By Mrmrorange (Mrmrorange) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:05 pm: Edit

what was the question about the JAPANESE ARTIST??

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:07 pm: Edit

yea, what was the question about the jp artist?? i dont even remember the question... was there any question with restraint as an answer??

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:08 pm: Edit

it wasn't restriant but resilience ... durability

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:10 pm: Edit

i told you, hertish, restrait wasnt the answer...it's resilence

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:11 pm: Edit

ok,,, but what was the question?? i dont remember the question -.-

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:13 pm: Edit

it was something about the art reflecting the resilient spirit that enabes them to endure adversity

By Mreeves (Mreeves) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:14 pm: Edit

okay, there was one analogy question:

gobble:eat

-gorge:bloat
-chew:digest
-gulp:swallow

two other choices, don't remember, what was the answer? i put chew/digest . . .

umm . . . writing didn't seem too hard. . . math was pretty easy at least the mcs, but i know i screwed up on the triangle question. didn't read carefully. (is taht by itself minus 1?)

One of the fill ins, I got 1. Considering I didn't bomb too much now, i'm at -1V, -1M, 0W . . .

For the high cuture Harlem Renaissance question, couldn't it have been the choice w/ the plays? b/c they directly mentioned plays in teh passage, not operas.

By Mreeves (Mreeves) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:15 pm: Edit

i also put resiliance

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:16 pm: Edit

what was the choice with the plays?? if it involved white ppl, it's wrong

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:19 pm: Edit

it was definately operas, not black musicians playing classic symphonies

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:19 pm: Edit

also

siren:wail = bell:chime

By Mreeves (Mreeves) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:20 pm: Edit

no, the white people one was a different choice. i was rereading a sentence in the passage talking about how jazz was in plays, and two other forms of entertainment, so I chose plays because opera wasn't in there.

Also, there was either a grid in or QC on the number of girls not in band??? something like that . . .

By Matt37 (Matt37) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Does anyone else agree w/ this:
the author of passage 1 emphasizes learned experiences more than the author of passage 2


i remember that question and remember that I didn't put that (maybe that was E and i put D or something)... i dont remember what i put but is that correct for sure? what were the other answer choices

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:21 pm: Edit

will like a 227 suffice for national merit semi-fi in nj?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:22 pm: Edit

gulp:swallow is right

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:22 pm: Edit

"Does anyone else agree w/ this:
the author of passage 1 emphasizes learned experiences more than the author of passage 2 "
i think i put another answer for that one too

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:25 pm: Edit

prolly, yea...and damn you if you get it...lol

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:25 pm: Edit

it's right b/c the author mentions how she used to have an idealistic view and then gradually learned that not everyone is good over the years. however, as to whether i put that i;m not sure myself. can someone give me some ofthe other choices?

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:25 pm: Edit

Wait, what did everyone get for the -1, 0, 1, -1, 0, 1... sequence? Didn't it ask for the 50th term? The 50th was most definately 0.

50/3 = 16 and some remainder
16 * 3 = 48
Thus two more terms after 1, giving 0.

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:26 pm: Edit

here's how i did after a careful analysis:
-5V, -1M, -2Wr

By Matt37 (Matt37) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:27 pm: Edit

ya i totally remember debating between that and another choice for the passage1/2 thing but of course i think i picked another answer (as ive done about like a billion times already :( )

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:27 pm: Edit

it is -1 for that one...no question about it

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:28 pm: Edit

I would enjoy an explanation then.

If the sequence is -1,0,1,-1,0,1...
The 50th term is 0

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:28 pm: Edit

Wait, what did everyone get for the -1, 0, 1, -1, 0, 1... sequence? Didn't it ask for the 50th term? The 50th was most definately 0.

NOPE. It asked for the SUM of the first 50 terms... stop scaring me! And it's def -1! Omg you scared me so much

By Matt37 (Matt37) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:29 pm: Edit

ya so u add them all up the first 48=0 + -1 + 0 = -1

so one column was -1; it was less than 0

By Kevinkleinzz (Kevinkleinzz) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:31 pm: Edit

Damn, it asked for the sum? Of course, the only freaking question I get wrong on the entire test is cause I don't read the damn question. Figures.

By Encomium (Encomium) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:48 pm: Edit

okay...what was the answer to the one that was like 0.01 0.001

and the clock 10degrees thing

By Encomium (Encomium) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:49 pm: Edit

and teh vertices one???? i got 7

By Tanman (Tanman) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:52 pm: Edit

The clock one was 5h/3.

"what was the answer to the one that was like 0.01 0.001"

I got .1 for that one -> 99/1000 is about .1

"and teh vertices one???? i got 7"
If this was the one about the square with opposite verticies given, I got 10

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:55 pm: Edit

the answer for that last multiple choice on section 2, you needed to get the largest 2-digit number (largest numerator) and the smallest 4-digit # (smallest denominator) to get the largest fraction, so it was 99/1000 which is 100/1000 = 1/10 = .1

By Encomium (Encomium) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 05:58 pm: Edit

how did you get 10???

i got the points (6,1) and (5,10) for the other vertices

what was the question? i thought it was add x and y so i thought there were two possible answers, 7 and 15?

what was the q again?

By Aoe2guy (Aoe2guy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:00 pm: Edit

the given vertices were, i think, (3,4) and (6,7)...so you need something the same height as both, so we have V[2] = (3,7) and V[3] = (6,4).....either way, x+y =10

By Frenchfries (Frenchfries) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:19 pm: Edit

For that writing question about the dancers (left no school and no legacy etc), I know we have it "confirmed" and all, but what was the answer, as in what letter A, B, C, D or E? Does anyone know? thanks.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:19 pm: Edit

A. I think.

By Simba (Simba) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:20 pm: Edit

hey, what did everyone get for:
what did the authors disagree on in the muckraker passage?


what did both passages concern?(Q52)?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:25 pm: Edit

They disagreed on the susceptibility of people to dubious arguments...

Both passages' authors were concerned about people's reactions to factural reporting.

By Wulfffish (Wulfffish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:29 pm: Edit

Does anyone have an explanation for the clock one - because I got A (h/36) and woudl really like to know how I messed up. Did well otherwise though.

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:37 pm: Edit

Ok about the cornerstone:fundamental problem, the answer is ornament:decoration. A cornerstone is one type of fundamental, go look it up, it is essentially synonomous. A cornerstone is a fundamental. Thus, an ornament is a decoration. Now, you guys were saying that it could be facade:construction? How. Even if you define "cornerstone" in the building construction worker terms, as a big block or whatever, it doesnt work. A facade is essential, or fundamental, in construction, however, is a cornerstone essential in fundamental? Do you understand, it doesnt make sense, the word fundamental is throwing you guys off. Think about it, or do i have the question wrong
?

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:40 pm: Edit

never mind, i dont think thats the answer the facade went with essential

By Acoplander (Acoplander) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:40 pm: Edit

For the candy bar problem, it asked "What part of A candy bar does each person get?" The answer is 1/5 of a candy bar, since there is five people.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:42 pm: Edit

Um the answer is definitely ornament:decoratIVE

not decoration. This is the problem with discussing q's many hours after the test. The words aren't remembered accurately.

By Desigothic (Desigothic) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:53 pm: Edit

what score do you need to have to get commended?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:53 pm: Edit

You need a 241 to get commended

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:57 pm: Edit

LOL 240 is the max score, fairy...wtf you smoking lol

By Bluebaron1616 (Bluebaron1616) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 06:59 pm: Edit

Hey guys hear me out:

I think that the Harlem one should be the syphomny instead of the opera because in the line just ABOVE it, it stated that these HIGH CULTURED guys wanted novels, plays and SYMPhonies (can't spell)
So think about it.

Writing:

the one about fat soluable vitamins, did you put" but the water-souluable vitamins must be replaced every day".

Another one; Rising prices of foodstuffs..."has angered workers AND CAUSED them to threaten a general strike right?"

Also, the one about traffic jams did you put "the main cause of the traffic problems is that shoppers...)

To answer someone's question: The mummy one WAS WITH a semi-colon.


Crap so far this was what I got:

Verbal----one omit, two maybe three wrong.
Math-----good so far
Writing----two defininately wrong, asking for help on determining others.


PLZ help

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:02 pm: Edit

I think that the Harlem one should be the syphomny instead of the opera because in the line just ABOVE it, it stated that these HIGH CULTURED guys wanted novels, plays and SYMPhonies (can't spell)
So think about it. NO

the one about fat soluable vitamins, did you put" but the water-souluable vitamins must be replaced every day". YES


Another one; Rising prices of foodstuffs..."has angered workers AND CAUSED them to threaten a general strike right?" YES

Also, the one about traffic jams did you put "the main cause of the traffic problems is that shoppers...) YES

By Ericng314 (Ericng314) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:05 pm: Edit

What's the answer to that thing about the ice cream cones?

By Bluebaron1616 (Bluebaron1616) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:08 pm: Edit

thanks fairy, so now it is:

Verbal: one omit, 3!!!!!!! wrong, and I'll probably throw another one or two in there.

So what will that be? 72-73?

Math: so C^2 is GREATER than A^2+b^2 right? That is the only one I;m not sure. Plus the rectangle one was 24 but I think the PSAT makers messed up.

Writing: only two wrong so far BABY!

By Bluebaron1616 (Bluebaron1616) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:09 pm: Edit

it was 60 eric

By Desigothic (Desigothic) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:12 pm: Edit

dude, fairyofwind, wtf man? im serious. i seriously need to know how much u need to get commended

By Bluebaron1616 (Bluebaron1616) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:14 pm: Edit

where r u from?

Califonia-like 201
PA like 199

Mainly 198-203

however y do u care?

It matters not?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:14 pm: Edit

like 200-210?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:16 pm: Edit

Yea seriously. Commended = useless.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:17 pm: Edit

As I've always said:

There are four ranges/checkpoints where a difference in score matters a lot. Within each of these ranges it matters little.

Score:
60~205: You get nothing. Forget it.
~205~220: You get commended. Great.
~220-239: You made semifinalist. Congratulations.
240: Yay. Perfection. Sweet.

By Frenchfries (Frenchfries) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:23 pm: Edit

I know a lot of people are asking about that question in the Harlem passage where the answer was opera. The question had the word "aesthetic" in it, and I think the opera choice was the only visual option, so that's why *I* picked it. Maybe I picked the right answer for the wrong reason.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:23 pm: Edit

yea, you have to be careful what you say here man, this is a nerd hole...people hate the word "commended"

LOL

By Desigothic (Desigothic) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:23 pm: Edit

fairy ofwind, u're gay. bluebaron, thanx. i live in pa

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:25 pm: Edit

LOl...oh come on now....he's smart...he's chinese..he's cool...

AZNS RULE

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:29 pm: Edit

Oh yea I forgot.

241: Desigothic gets commended. He also gets a personal letter of congratulations from the PSAT Test committee.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:31 pm: Edit

How can you get a 241...

or is this a joke

By Mallard2 (Mallard2) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:34 pm: Edit

So how did this test compare to last year's, section by section?

By Mallard2 (Mallard2) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:34 pm: Edit

So how did this test compare to last year's, section by section?

By Simba (Simba) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:35 pm: Edit

thx fairyofwind,
one more question:
why did the author of the harlem renaissance passage use that expert(line 24)?
was it to show how jazz was different from other art forms?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:37 pm: Edit

was it to show how jazz was different from other art forms?

YES

By Desigothic (Desigothic) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:55 pm: Edit

lol. jaisen, i like that one

By Takingiteasy (Takingiteasy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:58 pm: Edit

What was the question exactly for the 49/94 one? Cause i thought it must have been 94 according to my calculations. And the 94 for mine is the original. Anyone remember it well enough? Thnxs

By Centimetre (Centimetre) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:00 pm: Edit

awh man, I hate myself, I put enter:arrive for abscond:depart... there goes my verbal score. T_T

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:01 pm: Edit

lol...well, azns are cool, since i am azn...


Takeiteasy, it asked for the SMALLER #, not the bigger one.

By Takingiteasy (Takingiteasy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:05 pm: Edit

Dang, i can't believe i read it wrong. Centimetre i did the same thing. I didn't put eavesdrop cause i didn't think abscond meant to do it secretively.

By Desigothic (Desigothic) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:05 pm: Edit

i dont judge by race. im azn too. a KIND of asian not necesarily oriental. but an asian? yes.

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:07 pm: Edit

so what's the final word on the last i.d. w/s question? was it blinded from or no error?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:08 pm: Edit

Anywayz...can someone do an update of all the answers confirmed?

By Centimetre (Centimetre) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:13 pm: Edit

It was 49 because it asked for the original number, and when you reverse 4 and 9, you get 94, which is 45 larger than the original number (49). I know because I gridded 94 as well, but I had 2 minutes left so I reread the question and realized it didn't want the second number.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:15 pm: Edit

yea, it's tricky like that...

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit

Right.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Anyone know who have the test booklets? The school?

If not, do you know what time we will get the booklet?

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:22 pm: Edit

so for the last i.d. w/s question was it no error or blinded from? D or E?

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

I put blinded from, because blinded from means that that thing is blinding you. I.E. "I blinded myself from the rays of the sun."

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

thanks that's what i put too. i think the logic of the sentence was that the people, though they like shakespeare's writing, should not ignore the inconsistencies in Hamlet. in this case, it should be like blinded to, right afterburner?

By Simba (Simba) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:27 pm: Edit

thx again fairyofwind...
have we decided on the "however" (mummy) question cuz i put the semi colon not the however.....

are those "tots and dits"(somthing like that) in the snowflake passage "something small"?

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:27 pm: Edit

Also, it is:

A^2 + B^2 > C^2 for acute triangles
A^2 + B^2 = C^2 for right triangles
A^2 + B^2 < C^2 for obtuse triangles

So the answer is C^2 is bigger.

By Tanman (Tanman) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:28 pm: Edit

I dont know about who has the test booklets right now, but I remember that last year, I got my booklet back with my scores. Also, my proctor today told me that I'll get the booklet back in December.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:28 pm: Edit

tots: yes

mummy: the answer is definitely however, because you are drawing a contrast between ramses and his mummy.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:31 pm: Edit

afterburner, you sure it's however?? You are not contrasting anything...you are just stating facts...What IS there to contrast about his life and his mummy?

they are merely related facts, so a semicolon is appropriate

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:34 pm: Edit

NOPE it's the semicolon

,however, is INCORRECT.
You need. ;however,

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:34 pm: Edit

The reason is Ramses only lasted 90 years, while his mummy managed to last 2,000 years. That's the contrast.

About the opera one, it is right because it is the only one involving black culture. The others are popular, low-level, or non-black culture.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:35 pm: Edit

And yes, you do need a semicolon. The two are independent clauses.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:35 pm: Edit

no, what does his life have to do with his mummy?? lol...

Wow, i lived long, so my mummy should be long lasting?? lol....come on now

By Alita (Alita) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:37 pm: Edit

hmm. two more days till i have to take it... oh goody. time to go practice .........

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:37 pm: Edit

I think it's supposed to be humorous...haha...he only lasted 90 years while his mummy blahblahblah. Otherwise why would the two be together in one sentence?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:39 pm: Edit

Yes, i love to laugh

The 2 are in one sentence because they both have to do with his "lasting" body...

But you cannot compare his body lasting "only"90 years to his mummy lasting 3000 years...you cannot compare a living person with a dead body...what's the sense in that??

Since they still have something to do with each other, they are linked with a semicolon

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:41 pm: Edit

are those "tots and dits"(somthing like that) in the snowflake passage "something small"?

i think it was "something beautiful" cuz the text makes no reference to things small refers to things that have symmetry.
anyone concur?

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:41 pm: Edit

Oh well. We'll see come December.

I know I got one wrong...I'm kicking myself for forgetting the word "complicity"...ARGH!!!!

Anyway, the only other one I suffered over was the blind one, and I chose D, the from.

Any other problems?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:41 pm: Edit

to have a contrast, the foloowing would be appropriate:

king john lived 90 years; however, king booober lived only 40 years.

they can be compared because they are both living people...

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:42 pm: Edit

The tots and dittles were something small because it talked about how "even down to the tots and dittles" i.e., atoms, i.e., something small.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:42 pm: Edit

yea, we can all be wrong for all we know...

I want to sneak in the school somewhere and find the booklet

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:43 pm: Edit

OMG!

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:43 pm: Edit

Hey, Ramses and his mummy are related...they ARE the same thing...:)

By Mreeves (Mreeves) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:43 pm: Edit

okay, i have a question about the scholarships. in order to qualify for the specific company scholarships, do you have to at least be a national merit semi-finalist or commended or what?

I'm assuming that the national merit scholarships that are given out to like the perfect scorers are for the finalists, but what about the company scholarships which only use the test as a preliminary screening?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:44 pm: Edit

yes, but they are NOT IN THE SAME STATE ;)

Whatever though...cuz I put ; to seperate the clauses...and i suppose that's correct

*dance*

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:44 pm: Edit

No. For "special" scholarships it depends. Some explicitly require a NON-semifinalist, others require a finalist. Check with the company.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:45 pm: Edit

If the question is really a problem, complain to ETS. They are, after all, here to assist you in your college endeavor.........:)

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:47 pm: Edit

Another thing: the closest meaning of the word "fix" is attach, NOT focus.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:48 pm: Edit

LOL...context..man..context...trust fairy of wind...he's a supernerd

By Slacker007 (Slacker007) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:50 pm: Edit

It was a semicolon. there's two intependent clauses in the mummy one.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Really? Here is the sentence:

"Being called a muckraker, which I did not like, helped fix my resolution to have done for good and all with the subject that had brought it on me."

It's soooo attach. Focus makes no sense at all.

And why should I trust Fairy? I'm Chinese. I'm smart. I'm 1600. I'm 70% geeky (according to innergeek.us)

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:53 pm: Edit

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By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:54 pm: Edit

Right the next time a resolution can be attached the sun rises in the west.

You focus on doing something. Attach? Where did "attach" come from.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:56 pm: Edit

Her resolution is now attached to the that subject. Can you say "focus my resolution with the subject"?

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:56 pm: Edit

you have an incredible memory afterburner... may i ask what were the other choices to question what does the author of passage 1 emphasize more than the author of passage 2? this question was from the passage on journalism
i think the answer is "learned experience" buti would like some more choices, as I may have put something else.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:58 pm: Edit

lol...you take it, fairy...

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:58 pm: Edit

Learned experience.

Defense of reputation.

Sorry, that's all I remember. But the answer definitely is what she learned.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:58 pm: Edit

Let's see it's been 12 hours since the test... afterburner has already altered the sentence... trying to make us feel insecure... I think not!

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:58 pm: Edit

ok good

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 08:59 pm: Edit

Afterburner is burned out. :)

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:00 pm: Edit

Trying to make you feel insecure????

Are you hallucinating or something?

I want to prove a point. I bring back the context. You tell me I'm trying to make you feel insecure.

If you really think that, you probably already ARE insecure.

And yes, I altered the sentence. But how much do YOU remember to be telling me I'm wrong?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:02 pm: Edit

Lol..a fight over PSATs...lolololol

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:02 pm: Edit

I know, right? What's your problem, Fairy?

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:03 pm: Edit

Afterburner. I am 100% sure it was "focus."

I guarantee you this. We shall see in December. Nobody I know from my school that's taken it has put "attach" except you. Even by simple democracy, "focus" wins.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:03 pm: Edit

Ah...I sense a bet? :)

Yeah, focus was my first choice. But it doesn't really make sense.

Oh well. Let's stop squabbling.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:06 pm: Edit

I put focus, so i must side with fairy m

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Oh, another. I think it's ramifications, because TR said they weren't practical. "I don't mind the facts, but you and Baker aren't practical."

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:08 pm: Edit

Afterburner you mean "implications." Yes that choice was correct. D.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:11 pm: Edit

Oh, sorry.

I was reading old posts and got bored and posted it.

I know I got 1 wrong on verbal. If I get one wrong on math I'll...do something very painful to myself.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:12 pm: Edit

0<=x^2<=9 ! :) you got that right?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:12 pm: Edit

i put implications and focus

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:13 pm: Edit

Fairy, yes. WHEW. I put the wrong answer at first by squaring both, then I realized...omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same thing with 49/94.

By Z00b (Z00b) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:16 pm: Edit

Why would you do something painful to yourself? It's the PSAT, any score over the cutoff is practically the same. Becoming a finalist has nothing to do with how high your score was.

By the way, this is the reasoning I'm using to justify my numerous stupid mistakes.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:17 pm: Edit

Still. I have to uphold the family honor....:)...actually, just because I'm ubercompetitive. I MUST BE PERFECT!!!!!!!

:)

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:19 pm: Edit

Hey... if you "focus," you will be perfect.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:20 pm: Edit

...nerds...

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:20 pm: Edit

HAHAHAHAHAHA...no.

If you "attach," you will...dang this doesn't work.

Guess I was wrong after all.

:)

(please don't take this as a sign that I actually think focus is right.)

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:22 pm: Edit

Jaisen, speak up a little. What did you say?

Nerds?! And proud of it!

(this psychological defense mechanism is known as "rationalization", according to Freud)

By Dumbgirl (Dumbgirl) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:22 pm: Edit

hey i cant believe no one is worried about that problem 2nd to last one on grid ins.

2y < x <3y

i know youre supposed to make cases...anyone know the answer? would 20 be right?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:24 pm: Edit

yea...nerds...that's what i said...

im more of a computer geek than a nerd...a ghetto one though..

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:26 pm: Edit

20 would be incorrect. Then x would be 70, which would be greater than 20*3.

I put 25: x equals 65, 50<65<75.

The correct answer must be 22.5<y<30

By Stressball (Stressball) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:26 pm: Edit

yeah, Dumbgirl, I got 20 for that one too

By Stressball (Stressball) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:26 pm: Edit

yeah, Dumbgirl, I got 20 for that one too

By Frenchfries (Frenchfries) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:27 pm: Edit

I don't think 20 would be right. The answer should be any number betweeen 22 and 30, not including 30. Or something like that. I put 25.

By Stressball (Stressball) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:28 pm: Edit

but doesn't it ask for 2y and 3y not y? (This is for afterburner)

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:29 pm: Edit

No, it asks for y, I believe.

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:29 pm: Edit

I side with afterburner. I put 25.

By Kings18 (Kings18) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:29 pm: Edit

"Dumbgirl": Most definitely! The probable values for y are : 12.5<y<30

By Encomium (Encomium) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:29 pm: Edit

i put 29

By Fairyofwind (Fairyofwind) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:30 pm: Edit

In the meantime... let's take a vote. Who put "focus" and who put "attach"?

:) :)

By Stressball (Stressball) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

it was 2y < x < 3y

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

Kings, you are incorrect. Y cannot be 12.5 because x would be 76.5, and 12.5 * 3 is not larger than 76.5.

29 would be correct.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

Fairy, create a seperate topic for that vote.

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:35 pm: Edit

yea

By Summa4eva (Summa4eva) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:37 pm: Edit

for the last math problem, where 2 digit numbers when flipped the difference is 45, did u guys put 49 or 38. someone told me they asked for an even number so the answer is 38 but i put 49 and i dont remember the part about it having to be even

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:40 pm: Edit

it was asking for the greatest number
so it's 49

By Summa4eva (Summa4eva) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:41 pm: Edit

good so they never asked for the greatest even number?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:44 pm: Edit

i dont think so... i dont understand how ur friend got the idea that the number should be even

By Kings18 (Kings18) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:45 pm: Edit

MY FAULT. The possibles values of y: 22.5<y<30.
"Afterburner" is correct. Therefore, 20 is wrong.
Please forgive me

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:06 pm: Edit

what was the answer to the tailor:clothes

By Summa4eva (Summa4eva) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:07 pm: Edit

do u remember the answer choices?

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:11 pm: Edit

weaver:loom
carpenter:wood
vendor:goods

dont remember the other choices

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:17 pm: Edit

i said: a tailor works with clothes, a carpenter works with wood. OR a tailor modifies clothes, a carpenter modifies wood. (and the other possible answer was politician:issues) :)

By Justice (Justice) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:18 pm: Edit

It wasn't tailor::clothes; it was tailor::cloth. The answer was carpenter::wood.

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:19 pm: Edit

also guys... do u think the curve for the verbal will be relatively hard or easy?? or just normal??

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:21 pm: Edit

dude, whatever. same difference, and i already said that that was the answer.

By Summa4eva (Summa4eva) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:22 pm: Edit

normal i think? i dunno, i dindt think it was that hard, but i still guessed on a few. and yeah it's carpenter:wood

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:24 pm: Edit

i think it would be maybe normal/easy bc i didnt even study and i didnt think it was that hard...so i either got all of them wrong or it was easy! :) haha jk.

By Calidan (Calidan) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:28 pm: Edit

but did anyone else think that the writing was easy? i sure did...

By Hertish (Hertish) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:33 pm: Edit

for me....

writing + math were easy
verbal was ok...

By Justice (Justice) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:46 pm: Edit

Can anyone explain why it has to be "learned experiences" and not "defend her reputation" for the journalist passage comparing what the individual authors emphasized?

By Super6 (Super6) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:49 pm: Edit

This is so wierd...i'm taking the PSAT on tuesday (21st)...Different PSAT?

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:52 pm: Edit

Can anyone explain why it has to be "learned experiences" and not "defend her reputation" for the journalist passage comparing what the individual authors emphasized
cuz i think both tried to defend their reputations and the pasage was about learning things, changing views, becoming less naieve

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:54 pm: Edit

V-43. Which is a metaphor for the press?
tornado, eyes, League of Cassandra, or stretcher-bearers?

By What007 (What007) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:58 pm: Edit

i am taking the test on the tuesday. is it going to be the same as this?

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:00 pm: Edit

THE UNOFFICIAL OCT. 18 PSAT ANSWER COMPILIATION IS LOCATED AT:


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PLEASE TRY TO FILL IN THE BLANKS!

By Takingiteasy (Takingiteasy) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:00 pm: Edit

Probably not, after all getting info from the test for this test would be a lot easier than the SAT so i would think ETS may be a little bit wiser that that.

By Collegefreak (Collegefreak) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:03 pm: Edit

-5W, -4V, -1M

What score does that approximately come out to be?

By Justice (Justice) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:04 pm: Edit

How did the first author defend her reputation? And can't you argue textually that the author of the second passage learned from experiences too, since she published the book with the hope that people would praise her objectivity but instead feels backlash from Roosevelt and feels insulted by being labelled a muckraker.

By Super6 (Super6) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

would be funny if I take the same test you all took on the 18th

By What007 (What007) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

i think i might be getting the same test because its on a TUESDAY and no other of my friends from other high schools have it on tuesday, they all had it today. SO i think it might be the same.

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit

you read the question wrong.
what does the author of passage 1 emphasize more than the author of pasage 2.
answer: she emphasizes learning from experiences

By Super6 (Super6) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:12 pm: Edit

Could also be considered unfair to change the test before the next date. Since psat is for national merit scholarship and each state has a cut off mark...changing the test seems ok for different states...but schools in the same state would be odd

By B0otaful (B0otaful) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:12 pm: Edit

verbal and math were easy. writing was eh...so-so.

v-0 omit. one or two i was unsure of.
m-2 omit. two unsure.
w-0 omit. few unsure.

oh..and i put "focus" too.

uhm, for the abscond:depart analogy...i put enter:arrive? not confident in my answer.

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:15 pm: Edit

abscond:depart analogy...i put enter:arrive? not confident in my answer
sorry but you're wrong it's eavesdrop: listen
btw, what part of jersey are u from, if you don't mind me asking.

By What007 (What007) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:24 pm: Edit

yeah it would be unfair but wouldn't it be also unfair for us who take it on TUesday that know all the answers for hard problems.

By Jm405 (Jm405) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:30 pm: Edit

the tests are different!

By Curiousstudent (Curiousstudent) on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:45 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember sentences in the writing that had no error? How many were there?

By B0otaful (B0otaful) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:01 am: Edit

short hills ;) you?

By B0otaful (B0otaful) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:01 am: Edit

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By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:05 am: Edit

EVERYONE! ASK YOUR FRIENDS (IF YOU GOT ANY) THE ANSWERS THEY PUT DOWN! AND SEE IF THEY REMEMBER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE TEST!

By Metra (Metra) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:07 am: Edit

Did the "however" sentence join two independent claueses?

By B0otaful (B0otaful) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:31 am: Edit

oh yah! does anyone remember the math multiple choice with a figure of a bisected right angle and asked for the values of x and y?? the picture showed it was a right angle, but below it stated that the picture was NOT drawn to scale. i put 45 degrees. anyone?

By Desprateslacker (Desprateslacker) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:38 am: Edit

for the c^2>b^2+a^2 thing i understand the solution given above w/ the law of cosines, but what exactly would be the way CB intends it to be solved i mean they obviously dont require you to know law of cosines on the test and i see no other method of proving this using any of the math required for the psat, anyone have any ideas. like on the test i just followed usual sat type stuff like a + b > c ---> a^2+2ab+b^2> c^2 which looks like a D

By Mrmrorange (Mrmrorange) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:41 am: Edit

what did ppl put for the metaphor one??

By Catfish011 (Catfish011) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:43 am: Edit

the triangle is obtuse so the answer has to be B no matter what math you are using. The law of cosines just goes to further more prove that the answer is B. And for the metaphor the answer was the tornado since the tornado was a metaphor for public opinion not the press

By Solidsnake (Solidsnake) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 01:30 am: Edit

About how many D (not enough info) answers did you get for the math comparison questions?

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 01:36 am: Edit

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By Andrew123s (Andrew123s) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 01:51 am: Edit

Desprateslacker, I think one way to think about the question would be to consider a 3-4-5 triangle. In this case, the angle opposite 5 is 90. If you make it greater than 90, then the 5 needs to become bigger, which would make c^2 > a^2 + b^2. Also, if you did use the method (a+b)^2 = a^2+2ab+b^2, then wouldn't c^2 automatically be bigger since the 2ab must be positive because a and b have to be positive (since you can't have negative sides to a triangle)?

Forgive me if I assumed something that wasn't in the question (I didn't take the test).

By Underqualified (Underqualified) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 06:39 am: Edit

The c^2>a^2 + b^2 has plenty of easy solutions, too. I knew that a larger angle meant a larger corresponding side, but I drew an exaggerated triangle with a huge c-angle and tiny a and b angles to show myself how much bigger the c side would be, which made it obvious that c^2 was bigger.

By Student8712 (Student8712) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 10:55 am: Edit

I thought the one about the Harlem cultural revolution thing was something performed in a famous concert hall or something like that (I think it was A) NOT the one about the opera.

By Desprateslacker (Desprateslacker) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:13 am: Edit

i didnt take psat last year, but anyone who took it before think it was unusually hard

By Desprateslacker (Desprateslacker) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:21 am: Edit

i didnt take the psat last year, but anyone who took it think the one this year was unusually hard?

what was the one with the closest word to "fix" choices were: arrange, prepare, attach, focus, something else

for the c^2 thing i still dont see ur logic just cause c^2=a^2+b^2 in a right triangle that doesnt mean c^2>a^2+b^2 in an obtuse cause u can raise the length of a and b too. catfish u definetly did not need to memorize the rule that in obtuse triangles the larger side squared is bigger than the other 2 squared for the sat.

By Desprateslacker (Desprateslacker) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:21 am: Edit

i didnt take the psat last year, but anyone who took it think the one this year was unusually hard?

what was the one with the closest word to "fix" choices were: arrange, prepare, attach, focus, something else

for the c^2 thing i still dont see ur logic just cause c^2=a^2+b^2 in a right triangle that doesnt mean c^2>a^2+b^2 in an obtuse cause u can raise the length of a and b too. catfish u definetly did not need to memorize the rule that in obtuse triangles the larger side squared is bigger than the other 2 squared for the sat.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:23 am: Edit

For the c^2 one:

I learned that as a rule in geometry. Sorry.

For the fix, see the topic "Focus or attach"

By Bluebaron1616 (Bluebaron1616) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:30 am: Edit

Does anyone remember the last question on the dual reading passage:

It was something like:

The two authors agreed on:
National leaders were corrupt
blah
blah

That is all I remember, I put down E.

Also does anyone happen to have any questions oon the kepler snowflake one.

I'm trying to compile a complete list of all the reading comprehension question.

So if you guys can help me it'll be appreciated.

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:12 pm: Edit

For the Kepler question, what did you say that "stretch" implied?

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:14 pm: Edit

For the question in the jazz passage, what did you say "stretch" implied?

By Curiousstudent (Curiousstudent) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:38 pm: Edit

for the last time...was it blinded from or no error for the sentence with shakespeare??

By Curiousstudent (Curiousstudent) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:43 pm: Edit

for the last time...was it blinded from or no error for the sentence with shakespeare??

By Phantom (Phantom) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 01:13 pm: Edit

Additions to the compilation:

-Lines xx about authors using jazz in their books (I really don't remember the wording).
-To show jazz's heavy influence.

-DISCIPLINE...spontaneity

-Michael showed..., later he was praised for his RESTRAINT. (don't remember the first word)

For the journalism passage:
-All of these words are metaphors for journalists except: TORNADO

Math grid-in:
- 1 for the units digit of (3^n)^2

When I think of more, I'll post them

By Curiousstudent (Curiousstudent) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 02:05 pm: Edit

does ANYONE remember any sentences that had no error?

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 02:36 pm: Edit

3. Please answer this question
V-43. Which is a metaphor for the press?
tornado, eyes, League of Cassandra, or stretcher-bearers?


Ihatesats, the question was which was NOT a metaphor of the press...and it was tornado

By Ihatesats (Ihatesats) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 02:53 pm: Edit

CURRENT PSAT ANSWER COMPILIATION STATUS:
Verbal 22/52
Math 18/40
Writing 7/39
TOTAL 47/131

{PLEASE CHECK THIS SITE BEFORE ASKING ANY QUESTION!
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Let's see if we can get all of them before our scores are released!

By Impatheticiknow (Impatheticiknow) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 03:22 pm: Edit

I remember vigorous:energy as an answer

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 03:25 pm: Edit

impatheticiknow, we found that answer about 10 years ago

do you know anything else?

By Tanman (Tanman) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 03:26 pm: Edit

I'm pretty sure #11 on verbal was the one that gave "Tacit:Spoken" . I think the answer was ambigious:clear

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 04:01 pm: Edit

we already stated that question too, tanman

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 04:29 pm: Edit

wasnt condoned an answer?

By Dliebers (Dliebers) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 04:29 pm: Edit

wasnt condoned an answer?

By Obiwan (Obiwan) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Ihatesats: Wehatelinks. You've been around long enough to know better. It's a violation of Terms of Service. If you do this again you will be banned. We sometimes make exceptions for links to informational articles from recognized publications, not to other websites per se.

Jaisen: dial back the attitude. Fast. No more refernces about "fairies," "nerds," "gay," or any other disparaging remarks. If you don't like the content of this board, you are free not to come here.

For both of you and others, a small critical reading section: "Board moderators have a limited amount of time. It is easier to ban posters than to issue multiple warnings or to constantly make judgment calls when posters are continuously posting "close to the line." Therefore, if a poster does not wish to be banned, he or she should ______________________________."

Good luck.

By Jason817 (Jason817) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 05:12 pm: Edit

what are the answer choices?

By Whtx (Whtx) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 05:17 pm: Edit

One of the writing question was very unclear and makes me want to kick the writer's ass.

It said something like "Nothing of the writer's complaints are valid, etc"... Or something like that. WTF is he/she trying to say? I got stuck on that sentence for so long.

Also, whats the answer to the one about which is not the press? I put stretcher bearer

By Justice (Justice) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 05:51 pm: Edit

The answer to that writing question was that "are" had to be "is" since nothing is a singular noun.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 06:25 pm: Edit

whtx, it was tornado (tornado represented public opinion)...read back on the posts before askin to minimize repeats of questions

By Annoyance1 (Annoyance1) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 06:38 pm: Edit

Can somebody explain the grid-in question in which the answer was supposedly 10?

I don't remember writing a 10.

Thanks a lot.

By Afterburner (Afterburner) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 07:31 pm: Edit

The question was they gave you two vertices of a square, and you had to determine the sum of the x/y coordinates on another vertice of the square.

3,4 and 6,7 were given, the other vertices were 3,7 and 6,4.

By Jaisen (Jaisen) on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 08:24 pm: Edit

yes....guys...we should start a new thread...this one is soo long that people dont even bother to look back...


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