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I just took the SAT's this morning. In the verbal section, there was a 36 question section, a 35 question section, a 30 question section, and a 12 question section. Does this automatically indicate that the 35 question section was the experimental section since there are supposed to be 78 verbal questions? I was just wondering because I thought that in general it is not usually possible to tell which one the experimental is. Thanks.

By Kaila on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 06:51 pm: Edit

I'm not sure but I could probably help you deduce which of the sections was experimental since I only had three verbal sections (my experimental was a math section, which was incredibly easy).

My first verbal section had the two passages, my second verbal section had the passage on physics and the black woman turned author, and my last section was on the poverty of the US.

btw, what did you think of today's SATs? I thought they were harder than the May test.

By Curious on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 07:53 pm: Edit

Yeah, I thought they were pretty hard too. I had trouble with the two passage section.

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:30 pm: Edit

I had the same test as Kaila. I also thought that the math was experimental. That's because I didnt finish it and I'm good at math! (22/25 questions before). Anyone want to try to figure it out with me? It wasnt the 15 min one, nor the one with quantitative analysis and grid-in...
and it wasnt the easy first page one...yea anyone following me?

Im concerned because if that wasnt the experimental.....im screwed!!!!

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:38 pm: Edit

Kaila and Curious-

Do you recall which math section was most probably experimental? After taking the test today, I guessed that it was the section with the hexagonal cylinder question--the one that asked about the shaded and unshaded parts of a shown cylinder. I think the section also had a question about the surface area or volume of a cube.

My surmise comes from my varied success with the different math sections: while one of the twenty-five question sections was quite easy, I had a bit of trouble with the other one.

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:41 pm: Edit

BetterBExperimental-

Same here. If the "hexagonal" cylinder section wasn't the experimental (I only answered 20 questions in that section), ETS and the SAT have once again defeated me.

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:42 pm: Edit

Oh did anyone find that the analogies (and some of the fill in the blanks) a bit easier than normal? Because the new SATs in 2004 (or whenever) wont have analogies. Could they have made them easier to avoid so much criticism?

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Hey that was quick response Rsarbanes. Thinking of some of the questions that were on the test. Stay with me!!

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Also: Can an experimental section be the first section in the test booklet?

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:54 pm: Edit

BetterBExperimental-

Here's one:

I also think that the putative experimental had a question about choosing two snack items from different columns. It asked for the subsequent maximum number of arrangements from those choices.

Can you confirm this?

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:55 pm: Edit

I thought that everyone starts off with a different section..um...
I seem to remember your question, the hexagon with an angle connecting the ends of a side...

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:57 pm: Edit

Snacks? do you remember which snacks? I do remember one asking about a bowl of fruit (bananas and something else) but I dont think that was the experimental.

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:59 pm: Edit

I think that the hexagonal cyclinder question was something different--it was a solely visual question that had those "I,II,III" (i.e. None, only I and II, etc.) choices.

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:01 pm: Edit

Oh my mind is wavering. I cant remember anymore. I do remember doing the surface area of the cube thing but dont recall whether or not it was on the section i failed to finish.

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:02 pm: Edit

BetterBExperimental:

No--I don't think that's the snack question to which I refer. I remember that two snacks in my problem were coffee and tea; the question also had a chart.

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:05 pm: Edit

Oh my, I totally don't recall doing a question like that! ahhh...perhaps that was one of the questions I didnt finish...(I also have been barely sleeping this week,bahhh!!!)

Anymore questions that you can remember?

Maze:Labyrinthine as to
Skyscrapper:towering?

( I dont know, I usually do poorly on these)

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:07 pm: Edit

Another note:

If my surmise is not right, it means that I got the experimental section first. But that would seem too brazen a thing to do. Hence, another argument for both our hopes.

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:12 pm: Edit

BetterBExperimental:

Regarding your analogy...

That was my answer. Labyrinthine implies "extent"- it would mean something "complicated." I reasoned that this would accord with "skyscraper: towering" because both describe relationships of "greatness." Additionally, the only other choice for me was highway:congested.

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:13 pm: Edit

There's this book called Up Your Score (published by Workman) which also has an online discussion but the seems to be not operating at this time.

The Princeton Review also has a discussion, however some of their thoughts seem to run contrary to ours.

http://discuss.review.com/forums/index.cfm?cfapp=3

By BetterBExperimental. on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:18 pm: Edit

Thanks Rsarbanes. What was your overall impression of the analogies? Were they simpler than on the practice? (10 REAL SATS).

From the other discussion board it sounds like people can get different tests, even on the same day. Have you heard of anything like this before? It was my first time writing it.

By BetterBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:22 pm: Edit

Oh do you recall a question about a spinner such that when it pointed at 1, it also pointed at like 26 (or 27) on the opposite end?

By Kaila on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:23 pm: Edit

Hey guys. I don't remember a snack question on my math section. In that case, I'm guessing that section was your experiment section. But my experimental section was really, really easy. I wonder if we had different experimental sections?

Oh, and for the analogies, I put the skyscraper choice also. How about the one with Musician:Symphony? I put Dancer:Ballet. It was one of the first analogies and I was about ready to go crazy because I was uncertain of the answer.

By BBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:26 pm: Edit

Huh? a musician plays in a symphony and ???

Rsarbanes!!!! WHAT DID YOU PUT?

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:30 pm: Edit

Kaila-

I had the same answer for your analogy--I'm sure that that was the right one.

Also, Kaila, can you recall any questions on your "easy" experimental section?

BetterBExperimental: I remember your spinner question (It was actually 2 questions) They were in the shorter (15-min) math section. What did you get for your answers? I know that I narrowed it down to either 53 or 81 for one of them.

By Kaila on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:31 pm: Edit

Arrrgh, I most likely got that question wrong and that sad part is it was probably a 1 on the difficulty level.

Yeah, I remember the spinner question. The answer to the first question was 16, and I can't remember the answer to the second.

By BBExperimental on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:34 pm: Edit

Anyways, gotta go, It's 9:35 EST and I havent ate dinner.. Took a very long nap today. Gotta study and stuff. Im trying for ED Cornell.. Gonna complete my application before looking at my scores..Otherwise I'd probably be too depressed to write a good essay.

Later, might be back tomorrow.

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:35 pm: Edit

BetterBExperimental:

That was my answer (for the musician:symphony analogy) because the others didn't fit my sentence--such as painter:studio. I think I generalized the analogy into "a part of" and not your specific "plays in."

It worked out for me this way. But who knows.

By Kaila on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:37 pm: Edit

ummm... there was a graph with four different waterfalls that asked which was 1000 ft higher than the other.

That's about the only question I can remember at the moment.

By Tangtangtang on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:41 am: Edit

there was a sentence completion that was the 9th question, (btw I had the same math experimental test.. and for the spinner I put 17.. i think.. was the spinner in the experimental, or the 15 minute section one?).. anyhow for the sentence completion, it was going on about the organisms in africa, and i think i narrowed mine down to two choices, dilenation, and multiplicity, do you guys remember what you put down?

if generally people do bad on this, then that means the scale will move everyone up a notch or two right? So maybe its possible that if you miss two questions, you can still get an 800 on a section, I hope.

By Curious on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:15 am: Edit

Yeah, that snack one and the surface area of the cube problem had to be the experimental because I had a verbal experimental section and I didn't have any of those questions. I also thought the analogies and sentence completions were pretty easy. I actually thought most of the verbal section wasn't too bad, except I completely messed up the reading comprehension in the first section which I'm sure destroyed my entire test.

By Relief on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 09:33 am: Edit

i didn't take the the Oct. 12 SAT, but in response to that analogy question. I'd choose highway:conjested because maze:labrynthine implies that the maze is confusing and complicated to get through. Just as a highway is complicated to get through because it is conjested. I don't see how skyscraper:towering makes much sense. what do you guys think?

By zubek on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 10:21 am: Edit

Relief, I don't share your logic. A MAZE is characteristically LABRYTHINE or complex, just as a SKYSCRAPER is characteristically TOWERING or tall.

By johnnyb on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:16 pm: Edit

I thought that this test was a little harder than the princeton review tests that i took in the past. i have a few questions about the test...

what was the answer to that sentence completion where it said something like..
The student's cheating technique was so ________, that the teacher thought he wanted to get caught.

i narrowed it down to negligible and petty, two answers that i thought didnt fit, but the others made no sense whatsoever.

Another one was the last open-ended response in math where you had to find y. it was the one that had 3 squares on the coordinate plane and they told you the first side was 2, the second was 3 and the last was y. What was Y?

By SAT? on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:21 pm: Edit

hey guys! does anyone know tha answer to that math ? a2(a squared) + b2=16 where 2a +2b=10 or something like that. i put 4, but im not sure if it right.

i think this was in the 3rd section

By Goodluck on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:23 pm: Edit

I'd say negligible. Just think about it...petty doesn't make any sense. Something petty is something minor. Why would the teacher think he wanted to be caught by cheating in a petty way?

can you be little more specific on the math question? I can't really help with your math question so I don't know what the graph looked like.

By Kaila on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:37 pm: Edit

The answer to the cheating technique sentence completion was flagrant, it wasn't petty or negligible.

Also, does anyone remember the analogy tire:indefatigable? I can't remember the choices but does anyone remember the answer?

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:52 pm: Edit

Kaila:

I believe the answer to your "tire:indefatigable" analogy was "compromise:intransigent" (or something very similar--I know instransigent was in the relationship).

By DISCUSSION on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:36 pm: Edit

Does anyone remember any questions from the SAT from either section. If so, write it down with the answer that you put so we could all discuss and try to get a better idea of our score on this test. remember write in all of the ?'s and answers that you remember from the test, even if you did not have trouble with them. over the next day or 2 i will do the same.

this is an SAT discussion forum so lets discuss the Real SAT!!!!

By zubek on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:41 pm: Edit

does anyone remember a question from the last 15M passage about poverty in america that went something like:

THE AUTHOR SAYS "EVERY SUBURBAN FAMILY HAD A HOUSE...." IN ORDER TO

(A) CHARACTERIZE THE DEGREE OF AFFLUENCE OF SUBURBAN AMERICAN FAMALIES

that was my ans , though it doesn't seem to fit , it did seem to be the best ans of the lot.

I scored a 710V on the June test so I’m not too bad at the Verbal, but the above ans to the question has really been bothering me because it runs contrary to the main point of the passage.

By hopeful on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 04:23 pm: Edit

Guys... I think the answers to the spinner questions were 17 and 53 respectively. Hey, do you remember that one with the equation after the spinner questions? like c/e=8/3 and e/f=7/3. I put down choice c.

I have another question.. Remember that one with
m to the twentieth power is greater than k to the sixtieth power. and it asked you for the value of n? I put down choice e.
Are these right do you think?

By Pdl321 (Pdl321) on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 05:08 pm: Edit

n^20 is greater than k^60 when n =k^4 since (k^4)^20=k^80 therefore the answer was k^4 hope that made some sense

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:25 pm: Edit

Zubek:

You're right. "A" is the correct answer. It fits the passage's discussion of middle-class Americans escaping to a homogenized suburbia. Having a house then--given the 'Other America' detailed by Michael Harringon--was indeed a degree of shared affluence.

As a side note, does anyone else agree (if you had the test form I had) that the experimental math section was definitely the one with the questions about the hexagonal cylinder and the surface area of the cube? The earlier comments of Curious seem to seal it for me.

By Kaila on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:32 pm: Edit

Can someone refresh my memory on the hexagonal cylinder question because I can't remember that problem.

How about the analogy that was annex:building? i wasnt sure what annex meant in that context.

And did anyone else have the waterfall question with the graph in one of the math sections? I know I got that question right but no one seems to have had it except me.

Oh and what about the critical reading question from the US poverty passage about the word "smugly"? What did you guys put for your answer?

By Yay on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:51 pm: Edit

what were the choices to the annex:building analogy? Annex usually means to join something together. It doesn't make much sense as a verb though. It might have a noun form that works. A noun form could be something added to a building. What were the choices? Thanks

By hopeful on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:57 pm: Edit

you guys remember that question with the pool pumps in the free response math it said something about Pump A fills it up in 6 hours and Pump B or C fills it up in 3 hours by themselves...
Was the answer 1/4?

By g on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 09:44 pm: Edit

pool pumping question was 1/5.

By Castor Troy on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 09:47 pm: Edit

yes 1/5 it was. reading comp was so boring

By hopeful on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 09:59 pm: Edit

How about the question with the six teams and each played each other twice how many total games were played? Was it 60?

One last thing! Remember in the 10-question math section, there were three equations c/d=8/3 and d/e=7/3 something like that. Was the answer choice C?

By zubek on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:20 am: Edit

Rsarbanes,

Thank you for the reply, that question is no longer gnawing on me; I can finally go on with my life.

Kaila, 'ANNEX' and 'BUILDING' are most nearly synonyms because an annex is part of a collection of buildings. My Political Science tutor, for example, lives in Annex#14 situated within The Army Officers Residential Area.

By gotricebaby77 on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 03:29 am: Edit

did anyone else have 4 sections of verbal? btw...the section w/ the hexagonal cylinder thing and the waterfall i didn't have, so that is for sure an experimental section for math. the spinner questions' answers are 17 and 81, and an annex is an addition to a building, so i think the answer was postscript: letter, and the math section with the proportions the answer was either d or e, not c.

my questions: was the 6 teams playing each other twice one 18?
for the double passage about walter p pitkin or soemthign, the last questions had 5 answer choices which were all peoples names, the question was which of these peopel would not have the same view as the author of passage one, does n e one remember their answer?

kaila: Oh and what about the critical reading question from the US poverty passage about the word "smugly"? What did you guys put for your answer? i think its the view of a major magazine towards 2 different conditions or something, wut did u put?

By z on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:09 am: Edit

Does anyone remember the second last question on the 15M passage(US-poverty)?

By hi246 on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 09:19 am: Edit

What is with the Oct Test, it was way harder than i expected, i thought the spring tests were hard and fall tests easier? When i took the 10 SATs i got way higher scores on novs than jan and may wtf was with that test? People even told me octs were easier too.

By hi246 on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 09:24 am: Edit

Anyone know if the novs are easier, because it seems they might be easier. Crud, i prepped so much this past summer for it, #$%^ that test, and i should have got an 800 on math and 700 in english. #$%^ ETS and Collegeboard.

By Boo on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 11:03 am: Edit

i think the re-center the scale though so if everyone thought it was hard, it should not make too big of a difference

By sat question on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 11:37 am: Edit

My test started out MVV. I think the third section was experimental, because it had 35 questions and the other verbal sections had 36, 30, and 12 (36 + 30 + 12 = 78). Does anyone with the same test remember which passage was in this section?

Also, for the book publishing passages, what were the attitude of the author of passage 1 and the initial attitude of the author of passage 2? Were they curious and admiring or offended and awestruck?

By gum on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:30 pm: Edit

hey, anyone remembers that math question saying that there were 30 numbers, six less than ten, twenty more than five or something like that? what did you put?

By worried.. on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:32 pm: Edit

in the grid in were there two fives as answers? and one 1998?

By hopeful on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 02:15 pm: Edit

Yeah worried. I got two fives and 1998. For the last question with the four squares on a graph and it asked you for the value of t was it 4? It seemed a bit too obvious and I am beginning to wonder if it's wrong.

By worried on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 04:07 pm: Edit

hopeful: i really dont remember the question.. can you describe it a little more plz?

By worried on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 04:11 pm: Edit

oh, and what was the answer to the wheel question with the fifty numbers? some say 16 others 17 and the second part some say 53 others 81.. so anyone knows the RIGHT answer?

By hopeful on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 04:52 pm: Edit

It was question number 10 in the open-ended portion of the math. They gave you a graph with an arc and there were three squares with sides of 1,2,3 etc. It asked you for the value of t for the last square. That is the best I could do!

By the way, do you remember that one where it said there are 30 numbers and 10 are greater than 5 and 20 are greater than 10 and it asked you for the total numbers greater than 5 and less than 10?
I guess it was 6,7,8,9 wasn't it?

Also do you remember the one in the 10 minute section where it said something like n^20 is greater than k^60 for which values of k. I put choice E.

And there was another one with something like c/d=8/3 and d/e=7/3 something like that. It came right after the spinner questions. I wasn't quite sure but I put down choice C.

Do you remember the hexagon question? Was that 4?
Do you also remember the last question in the 25 question section with the I,II,III? Was the answer E ( I,II, and III)?

Thanks a lot!

By worried on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:01 pm: Edit

hey there, i put e in the last question as well.. and the c/d is 8/3 i really dont remember what i put but i think it was C and yeah, it was 6 7 8 9 and n^20 question i left it blank. do you know the spinner one?

By yoyo on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:27 pm: Edit

can you rewrite the 6, 7, 8, 9 question? the way you wrote it was way too vague.

By hopeful on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:31 pm: Edit

For the spinner questions I put down 17 and 53. I don't know if that's right. Do you recall the one with the 4 squares in the open-ended section where it asked you for the value of t? I put down 4 as an answer but I am not sure!

Also, do you remember the one question where it asked which point on the number line represented x+y? I think it was point C but I am not sure.

Another thing.... Do you remember the second-question in the 15 minute math where it said point C is between A and D and I think you had to pick whether it was I,I and II you know. I put down it was I and II. Is that right?

Thank you so much!

By worried on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 06:01 pm: Edit

i dont remember the first one youre talking about, but in the first i put 16 (spinner) and 53.. and then in the c a and d one i put I and II as well.. which section do you think wont count?

By Rsarbanes (Rsarbanes) on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 06:05 pm: Edit

sat question:

My answer for that verbal question was 'curious and admiring.' I reasoned this because the narrator in the first passage was definitely not offended by the writing laboratory of the mediocre, incontinent novelist--I even think there was a line that directly referenced the narrator's interest.

As for the math questions:

On other boards that have been discussing the spinner question, the majority think that 53 was the correct answer. I, for one, answered 81.

I knew I didn't get at least two of the grid-in questions. I guessed on the slope/sqaure question mentioned by hopeful (I also guessed 4, but I've heard that it may be 4.5). I additionally guessed on the rate question about the pumps--recalling the question now, the answer was probably 1/5.

Curiously, I think that the free-response question about the 6 teams (each team plays each other twice) could be easily (and primarily) answered by employing combinations. This is weird, though, since the SAT I is not supposed to touch on math normally learned in Alg. 2/Trig and up.

I wish the best of luck for all of you fretting about this test. There seems to be a flurry of anxious inquiries. Thus, a few mollifying words: If there is a consensus here concerning the relative difficulty of this test administration (and assuming that we are all average-to-excellent test-takers), expect generosity from the SAT Equating guys.

And even excluding that, I hope everyone has left themselves another chance with the ACT on Oct. 26. The math there should be straightforward.

AND even excluding that, I like to remind myself that this whole process is not a dreadful endpoint-in-itself: there are so many good schools out there, and getting in is only one part.

I'll risk positing that 90% of the college experience depends on the student's motivation. Still, this may be a comforting statement of denial, for I desperately want to go to Princeton....

By hopeful on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 06:15 pm: Edit

Thanks guys. I am wondering about that four squares question is the answer 4?

By hopeful on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 06:17 pm: Edit

You know on the number line there was an x and a y and it asked you the point which represented the sum.... Was the answer point C?

By Johnny on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 08:48 pm: Edit

In one of Math Sections, it asks for the sums of the factors of 30 & 32; is it asking for the prime factors(2+3+5+(2*5)) or all the factors(30+15+,etc.)?
I summed the prime factors(20), what is the correct answer?

By ddd on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 09:43 pm: Edit

just the factors

By hopeful on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 10:15 pm: Edit

the sum of 30's factors were greater than 32's factors.
Do any of you guys remember the last question in the free-response math section about the four squares on the graph and each one had sides of 1,2,3 and it asked you for t? Was the answer 4?

Also, do you remember the question where it asked you what point represents x+y on the numberline? Was it point C?

Another thing, were the spinner questions 17 and 53? It sounds like everyone is getting different answers!

Finally.... was the question in the 15 minute math section similar to something like n^20 is greater than k^60, was the answer E?

Also, the hexagon question was it 4?
And the last one in the 25 question section... Was it I,II,and III?

Thank you so much and sorry for the long posting!

By Nivekng (Nivekng) on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 10:20 pm: Edit

To the free response with teh squares, the correct answer is 4.5

To the numberline, yes it is C
To the spinners, yes, those are right
To the final question of the 15 math section, no, the answer is K^4
To the hexagon qustion, I forget what that was
And the last one of the 25 question section, it's A, the only probability of being 1/2 is being above the median

I also remember one of the answers was 2 radical 3, but i forget which one to that it is to

By mc on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 10:34 pm: Edit

hey nivekng, which section,(1 or 3) did the 1/2 probability question come from?

By hopeful on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 10:35 pm: Edit

Anyone else want to share your answers to the questions I posted.
Thanks

By monica on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 01:07 am: Edit

nivekng, are you on the pr boards at all?

By hopeful on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 02:42 pm: Edit

I worked out the question with the four squares and after one hour's work came up with 4 nothing else is possible.

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE N^20 IS GREATER THAN K^60 QUESTION. WAS IT E?

Also was the hexagon with the 120 degree angles was the answer 4?

The last question that dealt with the probability of getting 1/2 in the 25 question math.... Was it I,II,and III?

Thanks for getting back to me guys I appreciate it.

By writing tip on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 05:13 pm: Edit

Tip about Sat II Writing tests. Your response is graded in 30 seconds or less and is based on visual appearance and a few topic sentences. So just remember to indent and work on you penmanship

By hopeful on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 06:26 pm: Edit

SOMEBODY ANSWER MY DARN QUESTIONS I HAVE POSTED!
I AM STRESSING OUT LIKE CRAZY!!!!!!

By johnny on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 06:45 pm: Edit

"The last question that dealt with the probability of getting 1/2 in the 25 question math.... Was it I,II,and III?"


Only 1/2 probability on the median was true, the rest false...

By Nivekng (Nivekng) on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 07:14 pm: Edit

hopeful, it wasn't E, it was A, I'm fairly sure about that... The probability was A, i'm pretty sure about that too. I'm sure the square problem grid in is 4.5, I forget how to do it, but all my friends got that as well, as did the PR posters after sifting through their forums.

to monica, yes I do read the PR boards, but I rarely post unless I feel obligated to say something.

to mc the 1/2 probability section came from what I had was the first math section. I had 4 math sections, in which the third was experimental...drats. I was hoping the 1/2 probability question section was experimental heh
All in all, figuring a few stupid mistakes and just flat out not knowing how to do 1-2 problems, I think I ended up with a 670+ on the math...the curve should be more lenient this time I would think.

By steveh on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 09:04 pm: Edit

being frank, would it be a better curve because so many less educated people take it at this time of year, due to this being the last chance before college?

By Nivekng (Nivekng) on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 09:38 pm: Edit

well, the converse may be true, meaning that everyone went to test prep and then took the test increasing their score...so I would assume that it isn't that much of a curve, altho there would be an allowance I would guess like 2 questions missed to still receive an 800...so you're allowed like 2 free points, but probably nothing more.

By homer on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 09:38 pm: Edit

What was the solution to this:
p*m=p
p#m=m

*,# are special operators.
It asks for an equivalent statement?

By zubek on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 11:17 am: Edit

To the person who gave that 'writing tip' : How do you know this.

Thanks.

By worried on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:51 pm: Edit

anybody knows some site where they show the SAT of this october 12th? maybe there is a site that already shows it..

By hopeful on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 02:11 pm: Edit

hey worried. Have you taken the SAT before if so, what did you get in the math section?

By x on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:49 am: Edit

Im going insane, please help me out. Does the author of the last 15M passage on American poverty make the following point somewehre in the passage?

"The poor escaped to suburbia in search of a better life and this is one of the reasons why poverty was not noticed by mainstream America."

By worried on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:04 pm: Edit

hey hopeful, in the math? i took it a year ago.. it wasnt good.. a 600. but after a year of practice i guess i got much better.. why?

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Then the answers you were telling me were probably wrong!
Damn it!!!!

By worried on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 04:35 pm: Edit

LOL, hopeful, by the way, i practiced for a whole year! in the practices all i was getting were 780's so shut the f up

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:19 pm: Edit

I want proof LOL

By worried on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:55 pm: Edit

LOL.. how can i prove it to ya

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:17 pm: Edit

Hey listen. Remember that last question in the open-ended section with the four-squares on a graph and each one of them had sides of 1,2,and 3?
And it asked you for the value of t? Was it 4?

Also.. You know the one that we were talking about with the I,II, AND III.. did you actually work that out or did you guess? If you actually worked it out and found that all three must be correct, then you are probably right!

By god already on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:42 pm: Edit

hopeful, you fukin moron. how many time does this discussion forum have to tell you that your answer of 4 is wrong. And no that other answer is not right!!!! how stupid can you be, my god..
you have posted like 10 answers and only like 1 of them have been right. it seems like you are the dumbass and not worried

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:45 pm: Edit

t is 4.5,. think about the slope of the line on the perfect squares. on square with the value of 2, its max y value was 3 from slope(3/2)*2, from the 3 sided square. On squ. 3, same thing, (3/2)*3=4.5

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:51 pm: Edit

Why don't you go suck a dick you fucking moron.
God already piece of ••••!
What did you get on your last SAT? Ha!
I bet your stupid ass didn't even break a fucking thousand! Go •••• your mother you stupid ass ••••!!

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:53 pm: Edit

Sorry for cussing so much everyone but that a-hole God Already really deserved some cyber abuse!!!!!

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:55 pm: Edit

Oh yeah and Johnny... A square has 4 sides not 3. If it had 3 f-ing sides it would be an f-ing triangle.

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:56 pm: Edit

I got 870 on my last SATs.

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:57 pm: Edit

SERIOUSLY!!!
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO CAN ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTIONS LOGICALLY AND MATURELY?????!!!!!!

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:59 pm: Edit

not 3 sides, your not serious, lenght of 3, your trying to find the height of t, which is the max of square with the lenght of 3. b/c t is connected.

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:59 pm: Edit

Johnny, a person with an 870 really should not be telling someone with a previous score of 1250 how to do a stinking math problem!!!!!

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:01 pm: Edit

T isn't connected dude! It is part of a whole different square.

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:02 pm: Edit

there are 3 squares.
1. is 2
2. is 3
3. is t

what is t?
the line at #1 has a x=2,max y=3 from next square.
the line at #2 has a x=3,max y=t from next square.
max y value also equals the next x value.
therefore t=4.5

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:05 pm: Edit

the line is still straight, and therefore a constant slope. the squares are connected, making it is easy to find the relationship.

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:06 pm: Edit

NO!!!!
Think about it man!!
it is a SQUARE! All sides are equal!!
How is one side greater than the other?

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:07 pm: Edit

"870" I was joking...wow a "1250", I've gotten around 1460's on practice tests

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:11 pm: Edit

Practice my a**. I know you got an 870.
P.S. Well, at least you were brave enough to admit it.

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:11 pm: Edit

the squares are connected, ok, squ# 1 has a lenght of 2, and a height of 2. But the slanted line is touching the next square, with y=3.

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:12 pm: Edit

therefore on #2 it is touching the y value of t.

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:14 pm: Edit

It doesn't matter. t=4 because everthing in the figure is the same height and when you have equal sides going 2,3 your next side will be 4!!!!

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:15 pm: Edit

what is confusing about the solution being t=4.5.
just b/c (2,3) are intergers, don't assume t has to be one. its value is dependent on the slant of the line.

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:17 pm: Edit

The other ones all follow the same change in slope and they are all integers!

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:18 pm: Edit

are you forgetting about the slanted line.? How is it possible for a straight line to be tangent to the front left corner of square with sides of 2,3,4.

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:19 pm: Edit

because there is a change of 1 every time.
Now.. stop arguing with me!

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:33 pm: Edit

3 is 1 more than 2, therefore its 4+.5;ha, your wrong

By hopeful on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:41 pm: Edit

Kid.. I don't know you but let me teach you some preschool math here. 3+1=4 not 4.5. 3 is 1 more than 2 and 4 is 2 more than 2.

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:43 pm: Edit

slope equals (1/2),duh, thats why over a distance of 2, y would increase by 1; over x=3 it would increase (1/2)*3=1.5

By johnny on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:47 pm: Edit

According to you, y increases by 1 over two different values 2, and 3. thats nonsense..

By Nivekng (Nivekng) on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:11 pm: Edit

hopeful sigh, plz listen to this explanation that was given...it explains how I got the answer. If you noticed it was a HARD problem, not one that was easy just to pick out "4" just because its the next number in line. ETS tricked you, and thats what they try to do, you fell right for their trap. The key was to see that 4 wasn't the answer.
"slope equals (1/2),duh, thats why over a distance of 2, y would increase by 1; over x=3 it would increase (1/2)*3=1.5"

To tell you the truth, I put down 4 at first, but I changed it after I saw the trick

By alex on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:18 pm: Edit

Flagrant applies to what is so offensive that it cannot escape notice: flagrant disregard for the law. What is glaring is blatantly and painfully manifest: a glaring error; glaring contradictions. Gross suggests a magnitude of offense or failing that cannot be condoned or forgiven: gross ineptitude; gross injustice.

The student's cheating technique was so flagrant. sorry bud.

By Matthew on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:17 pm: Edit

4.5 is the correct answer, I confirmed this with right triangle trig.

Anyways, I had the same test as Curious back on top. 4 verbal sections with a 12, 30, 35 and 36. My 35 question section, which I assume is the expieramental since verbal should have 78 questions, was Section 3.

By Nivekng (Nivekng) on Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 10:00 pm: Edit

I wonder how the curve will be for the verbal

By monica on Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 11:51 pm: Edit

4.5 is not the correct answer. The squares are 1,2,3, and t. The slope from the first square to the second is exactly 1. Therefore, the slope from 3 to t is 4.

By johnny on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 01:03 am: Edit

If that was the case, then the answer would be t=6, slope=1 from t=1+2+3; but I don't think there was a square of 1.

By johnny on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 01:09 am: Edit

Wait, that's not possible, I was wrong...

"then the answer would be t=6, slope=1 from t=1+2+3; but I don't think there was a square of 1. "
b/c the line is straight, therefore has a constant slope.it can't have slope of 1, and 2/3.

By powerpuffs on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 03:48 am: Edit

haha funny forum guys...t=4.5 and that other guy was all stubborn to accept it...and i dont think jonny was lying about the 1460's...cuz if he can talk about a slope...then obviously he dint get a 860 or wutever...u get 200 points for putting your name...and he must have gotten 700 or so on math...so that doesnt add up...ok ta-ta

By powerpuffs on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 03:54 am: Edit

i was curious...did anyone else get D for the question that went something like 3g2h+g2h2 compared to 3g2h2+g2h...it was a quantative comparison prob.

By Castor Troy on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 03:08 pm: Edit

look no one cares what anyone got on practice SAT's. Dumbass. It's the real deal taht counts. Oh by the way enough about that damn last question of the grid-ins. THE ANSWER IS 4.5!!! Not only can u prove this with slope and trginometry, but they have to increase in size by the same rate which is 50%. So 3 + (.5*3) = 4.5 Get that through your thick head whoever the hell you are trying to say its 4. It's not. I can get an 800 in math in my sleep. i can solve reimann sums and integrals in the time it takes my sh!t to hit the ground if i'm shitting standing up.

By Nivekng (Nivekng) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 03:36 pm: Edit

hopeful, are you implying you'll get a 790?

By Castor Troy on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 05:11 pm: Edit

can't be 4 i'm telling you. that's a joe bloggs answer. too easy.

By Kk02 (Kk02) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 05:23 pm: Edit

You got it right hopeful! The test always looks difficult after u get through it! The double reading passages were trouble and lengthy. Screw the board. The answer to the 2nd spin-wheel question (the one I missed) should be 34 (I worked it out on the way back from the test). I dont think I'll make more than 760 on the Math, the fact that the first verbal section was screwed up, I couldnt concentrate on the whole damn thing.


BTW, when are the scores going to be available on payment? Will there be time to register for the December test (international deadline) after getting the regular scores?

By Genius (Genius) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 06:32 pm: Edit

Hmm...

I hate this DAMN test...even though it is a type of an equivocator for those who apply...it still pisses me off.

Hey...if i missed 4 math...conservatively...what do u think my score will be?...

By Genius (Genius) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 06:37 pm: Edit

Again about the test...

Usually in the math section...there is a 1 to 2 question variable right?...so if u leave 1 or 2 blank or miss 2 problems on the GRID-IN you can still receive an 800?...right?

By hopeful on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 10:22 pm: Edit

Okay. Look maybe you are right let's just move on.
Anyways, remember the last question in the 25 question math section with the three choices about the median and 1/2. Was it I,II, and III. Also, the one question in the 10 question section that went c/d=8/3 and d/e=7/3 was it choice C?

Finally, the one with k^60 is greater than n^20..
Was that choice E it was like k+41.

By Donthaveone on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 10:50 pm: Edit

Hopeful, every question you asked is wrong. 4.5 is defintly an answer. The answer was median only, I got that one wrong. The The one with C/D and D/E, the answer was E, and the last question you asked was something to the 4th power, but I forgot the choices.

By j-Shock on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 08:11 pm: Edit

The answer to the squares is definitely 4.5, most of you are correct. I also got 3(root2) for an answer, one of the hexagon problems I think. Also, the question that asked something about n^20 and k^60, it had to be n= k^4. If it is n=k+41, then if k, or maybe n, i cant remember now, is greater than a certain value t, this will not work out correctly. n= k^4 because that will yield [n^20 = k^80 because 20*4 = 80]. Hope this helps. I do not really remember the test very well...

By j-Shock on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 08:46 pm: Edit

i came here to talk about the October SAT's. Is everyone done talking about them? Did I miss my chance to converse about them??? Please say no.

By Castor Troy on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:08 pm: Edit

got my sat scores: 730m 720v = 1450. here i come, MIT

By johnny on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:18 pm: Edit

Here's mine: 730 m 710v, I wonder if I a shot at University of Chicago or GT?

By hellohello on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 02:15 am: Edit

740 M 800 V!!!!! GOOOOOOOOO ME

By j-Shock on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 07:45 pm: Edit

Castor, u want to attend MIT? I do as well, my scores were 780M, 670V also a 1450. I want to go to the same school. Congrats on your score, are u applying early?