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By Jokemaker (Jokemaker) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 05:39 pm: Edit

What's the word on the AP English Language test tommorow? Does anybody know any insider information on it or suggestions for tommorow?

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 06:09 pm: Edit

i heard it was just a mock exam but then again, my counselor is a dumbass

By Parhelia (Parhelia) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 06:09 pm: Edit

Im very worried about the test...thats all I know.

By Shilpa1125 (Shilpa1125) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 06:59 pm: Edit

It was just a mock exam? What do you mean by that?

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 08:45 pm: Edit

a practice one

By Shilpa1125 (Shilpa1125) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:11 pm: Edit

Tomorrow's AP exam is a mock exam? I think I'm missing something...

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:32 pm: Edit

yes it is and the collegeboard has it like this every year its just preparing you for the real one later, so you know how well you'll do. i wasnt supposed to find this out but my teachers and counselors accidentally leaked it out and im supposed to not tell every one who is taking the ap exams this week that its just a mock test oops...well there is some insider info for you

By Jokemaker (Jokemaker) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:35 pm: Edit

Nealyac, are you retarded? That makes no sense...We are after all paying a lot of money for these tests and they go to colleges so how could this be a Mock Exam? I have no idea what you are talking about....does this mean the exam tommorow doesn't count for anything? we just wasted our money? please explain a lot more about what you mean

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:43 pm: Edit

well i'm not supposed to be telling anyone this but, there is a real ap exam but the ones being taken this week are not the real ones there just for practice. this is supposed to prepare us for the real one so they are giving is a mock test and making it like the real thing so we get a feeling of how its going to be. at the end of the test its going to read that this was a mock exam and the purpose was of it was just for practice.

By Doofus (Doofus) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:45 pm: Edit

That's some BS..

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:52 pm: Edit

well its what i got from my teachers and counselor

By Dori (Dori) on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 10:47 pm: Edit

they just want you to not be nervous about it. they're lying.

By Caramelapple (Caramelapple) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 12:51 am: Edit

Hah!

I plan on taking the real AP Eng Lang tomorrow; I don't know about you...

By Davehead (Davehead) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 01:18 am: Edit

was it just my class, or did you guys not read ANY books this year? All we did was read a bunch of essays and talk briefly about sentence structures, syntax, and rhetorical devices. We didn't read any literature, and in the official AP English Language handbook, it specifically encourages teachers to use books as tools of effectively teaching rhetorical devices and whatnot. I feel like my teacher really •••••• me over. Is it going to be really hard?

By J_Shen (J_Shen) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 01:38 am: Edit

It's really wayyyyyy too late for this to be of use to anyone taking the test who's planning to have slept the night before, but, just in case, to Davehead:

I am planning to get a 5 on this thing, and I was probably at a 4-5 level already without the books we read in class this year (Scarlet Letter, Ethan Frome, King Lear, and a few outside reading projects).
I would say that it's important to be well-read for the AP, but literacy doesn't necessarily come from classwork alone. If you've done sufficient outside reading (say, 4+ higher level books this year), you'll be fine in recognizing devices and motifs and such for the essay that deals with analyzing literary style or devices.
One thing our Eng teacher, who is very cool but very initimidating, barked at us:

Tone + DIDLS = Style

Where, 1st D is diction (sent/par structure, I is imagery (metaphors, allusions, etc), 2nd D is details (eponymous/self-explanatory), L is lanugage (overall use), and S is syntax (word choice).

There are different versions, but this is how we learned it.

Discussion of even just two of these aspects make for a top essay so long as you can prove your depth and create sufficient length with them.
Also, it helps a lot with essays, when using examples (when they ask you to argue regarding a prompt) if you can cite solid lit sources.
In terms of mult choice, if you guys did practice and you did ok (say an 80-125 adjusted score avg), you're fine for a score of 4 or 5.
I would only be concerned if you have not had an opportunity to do the reading outside class and don't really have many college lit-type sources from this year to draw on. In which case, you'll just have to make up for it with strong vocab, good essay support from current events/ your own life/ history, and some skill with the mult choice.
If your mult choice is even at 75 percent adjusted score (about 60 percent of the questions right, and the rest wrong or omitted about evenly)and your essay avg is 5-6, a 3 should be no prob. Specific strength in one of these sections will get you a 4, and if you show it in both, a 5 is very feasible.
The futility of this post: It's 12:36 AM central time. Wow, am I being pointless.
If you don't get around to reading this, I at least send some good vibes/karma around.
Good luck at 8AM to everyone taking the real test and apparently at most schools, not a mock one, regardless of what happens.

By Hipstertapioca (Hipstertapioca) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 02:55 pm: Edit

i didn't think the exam was all that bad. honestly the hardest part was the last MC passage with the different knowledges. i probably skipped 7 questions, didn't get time to go back and check over. i only wrote a page and a little bit for each, too short. we can call in for scores july 1! ahah. too long of a wait. anyway, gotta go prepare for my others.

By Doofus (Doofus) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 03:14 pm: Edit

The multiple choice was easy.. except is it bad that I didnt omit any? I feel I got most of them correct except the last passage I was tired and didnt know what the hell it was talkin about. The essays were easy except the second one with the african americans entering the Union forces.. not sure what they wanted there. I wrote about 1.5 pages on each of the essays. 15 dollars is a rip off man screw that. I'm gettin mine in the mail.. anyone know when they send em?

By Parhelia (Parhelia) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 03:28 pm: Edit

please, someone tell me wtf the last mc essay was about. Im hoping for a 3 on this exam.

By Scrsteven (Scrsteven) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 03:36 pm: Edit

I just took the exam as well... I think i wrote 2 solid essays but by the last one I was a little tired/it showed. What do u all think?

By Cooljay687 (Cooljay687) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:17 pm: Edit

anyone remember some mc questions?

i wrote alot for the essays but not sure if what im writing is correct. for example, what did you write about for the african americans? I talked about a rhetoric triangle of persuasion-logos, ethos and pathos. i wrote a paragraph for each element

By Infierno (Infierno) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:23 pm: Edit

does anyone remember the authors of the Essay Sections?

I remember that the last name of the African American was Green.

Maybe we can look them up/find information on the things they wrote.

Last MC passage was hard
Omitted 3 or 4; MC section was extremely hard or in a sense challenging

By Cooljay687 (Cooljay687) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:36 pm: Edit

mc was okay

By Doofus (Doofus) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Was the passage about the division of chapters supposed to funny or what? What was the tone?

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:54 pm: Edit

the second essays was alfred M. Green

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:57 pm: Edit

that last essay was so hard!!! i did not know what they were talking about...i quit on that essays and only did a page and a paragraph

By Cooljay687 (Cooljay687) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:57 pm: Edit

bump for doofus' question.
doofus what did you write for the green essay

By Cooljay687 (Cooljay687) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:59 pm: Edit

nealyac on the birds? can we all create perhaps an aim chatroom so we can chat, do you all have aim guys? if you do, i'll be waiting at this chatroom in aim: apenglish

see ya

By Shilpa1125 (Shilpa1125) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 04:59 pm: Edit

What did you all write for the birds one? That's the only essay I had trouble with. I'm one of the few people who found MC challenging. But the last practice test we did, I found the MCs challenging, and I did really well, so hopefully that happens again!

By Ccsgrl (Ccsgrl) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:03 pm: Edit

I thought the bird one was the easiest; i had most difficulty with the entertainment one b/c i had so little to work with. i ended up talking about internet and video games. whatever.

shilpa1125=

i wrote how passage 1 seemed awed by the bird's prowess, "inconceivable velocity" while annie dillard was awed by the birds' harmony. i said something about extended metaphor (dillard used the loose yarn to express feminine delicate (whack, i know) reply to the birds. and then i talked about how john james audabon used "angular" and other words to contrast the images of passage 2. some crap about how the power of birds are emphasized by gradual-narrator-is-captivated crap in passage 1, something about spiritual epiphany-like thing on passage 2. yes, i basically wrote BS.

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:07 pm: Edit

my aim sinking86 can you invite me to the chatroom cooljay?

By Minority (Minority) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:10 pm: Edit

for the birds it was Annie Dillard and Something James Autobudon (?)

i think I screwed up i dont know...with me its either a complete hit or miss...

-it was a eulogy right?
-what did the metaphor compare? (two knowledges or no..)
what did "fit" mean? satisfy i hope...(because it didnt fit her various talents or something)


..i wrote my entertainment essay
with these examples:
-early 19th century movies casted Blacks in simple-minded roles, perpetuating rascism.
-but Uncle Tom's Cabin (counts as entertainment, right??!) helped spread the abolitionist cause=beneficial for social fabric
-i acknowledged that violent lyrics (Marilyn Manson/Eminem) have the potential to ruin, but only if the audience is gullible enough to base their beleifs solely on what they see/hear

By Cooljay687 (Cooljay687) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:14 pm: Edit

invited

By Doofus (Doofus) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:21 pm: Edit

I put eulogy.. but for "fit" i chose outfit.. not that it's necessarily right. But she's an actor so she her character is a costume so to speak when she's acting.. therefore maybe she's outfitted in shakespere. BLAAAH.

By Hitu (Hitu) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:42 pm: Edit

i screwed up big time on the compare and contrast one...
the MCs were pretty ok..but u never know!

By Arthur (Arthur) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:44 pm: Edit

i took this test today.

say i get something like 6, 7 and 8 on my essays.

what kind of multiple choice stats do i need for a 4? a 5?

By Dori (Dori) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:50 pm: Edit

i thought the MC was waaaaay easier than expected. i skipped 6 and was only unsure on 3. the only hard passage was the last one. i didn't get that at all.

the essays were pretty hard. for the DCQ i wrote about actors having drug/alcohol problems, people not being able to find jobs because the actors have to make a living somehow (the ones who don't really get work) and their lack of morals (i.e. wynonna ryder) (3 pages)

the second was ok. i know i missed a lot of rhetorical devices that were used. (2 pages)

the third one was awful. i BSed my way through the whole thing. (1 3/4 pages)

i probably got a 3.

By Danser39 (Danser39) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:59 pm: Edit

Can someone explain this "adjusted score" thing to me? Someone was talking about it in an earlier post but I've never heard of it before. Thanks.

By Diconoclastx (Diconoclastx) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 06:47 pm: Edit

Fit meant to contain and the answer was eulogy.

I think I got 3 or 4 wrong on the multiple choice, but I really messed up the first FR passage. My first essay was really general so I'm expecting a 3 or 4 on that.

The union passage was quite easy to write about. The birds was quite obvious although long.

The last mc passage's central idea was that knowledge is worthless: it doesn't make you all moral. I found the first mc passage and fr passage to be the hardest.

By Sherlock1 (Sherlock1) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 06:53 pm: Edit

can anyone post MC questions you remember and the answers to them...I would really like to know what the answers to the questions on the third and fourth passage were as i was running out of time by this point and am not quite sure how i did on that last part of MC. So just post any MC you remember...it will be much appreciated.

By Smiley (Smiley) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 07:04 pm: Edit

I did #1 a bit differently... How does this look? I talked about how entertainment can be a force for evil (pornography, MTV, other good examples, brought in Holden Caufield from Catcher in the Rye) in my first body paragraph. Then I talked about how it can also be a force for good (Sesame Street, introducing people to cultures/ideas that they'd never otherwise experience, drama, etc). In my final paragraph, I analogized entertainment as a medium to the river in Huck Finn. Both are tabula rasa (Rouseau), neither good nor bad in and of themselves. It is up to the producer and the experiencer to make entertainment, like the river, a force for destruction/progress. "nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Look ok?

By Andrew (Andrew) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 07:09 pm: Edit

Yeah you rock I used Sesame Street too, it looks good to qualify an argument - you know show how entertainment does degrade morals but also how makes society better. I'm hoping for a 5, I thought this exam was way easier than it should have been.

By Chen (Chen) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 07:52 pm: Edit

LMAO! I used Sesame Street as well. Catcher in the Rye is a good example. I didn't use any literary allusions...beh, I did mention 911 becauseI was for entertainment though, which is harder to prove. Oh well! I think I still wrote something good.

I have horribly messy handwriting that's all crowded...it's much worse than male handwriting. For the first essay, about 2 pages...so that's probably 2.5 pages for everyone else's handwriting.

Second essay, much harder because I wrote crap about diction through the whole thing and didn't label whatever I said as pathos.

Third essay, easy...I also said awe...but the first was more like submissive awe and the second awe from a grounded standpoint...if that makes sense

I screwed myself on the MC by omitting too many (not enough time!). I really hope for a 4, but I don't know considering I didn't really label anything as pathos or conceit/extended metaphor in my essays...bah. 4 please god?

Also, Audubon and Anne Dillard were the authors of the first and second passages for the 3rd essay.

By Surferdave (Surferdave) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 08:01 pm: Edit

For the fourth passage: The author was explaining that although a liberal education provides many characteristics, it does not necessarily ensure morality or adherence to proper ethical standards.

By Sosodef (Sosodef) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 08:16 pm: Edit

personal i thought the mc's was very hard i skipped about 12 but all 3 essays were really easy, last years free response was much harder.....also my teacher prepared us for for all types essays and practice a lot of open-ended questions so the entertainment questions was easy, and the green one , and the birds one(comparisions are my favorite)

I thought that they put too many long passages in the mc, usually they have a short one....so it didnt give most of the people in my class time..proably only 7 out of 97 people in the ap english class at my school finished the mc section

By Ginnyvere (Ginnyvere) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 08:20 pm: Edit

I thought that the exam was better than I had expected; it was easier than the practice tests that my teacher had given us. In the multiple choice, I omitted one. I agree that the last multiple choice passage was awful. In the essays, I thought that the easiest was the second essay because I understood the history behind the speech (probably because I am taking the AP US History exam on Friday). For the argumentative essay, did else anyone mention Farenheit 451? One of my friends didn't finish the MC and left the last twelve blank; he was nearly in tears when we finished. Basically, I am just glad that it is over, for better or worse. Tomorrow, I get to take the Stats exam (I'm terrified).

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

on the first essay about entertainment i wrote about american idol and how its racist because it put ruben in the bottom two last week! GO RUBEN! EVERYONE VOTE FOR RUBEN!!!

By Chen (Chen) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 08:34 pm: Edit

hehe, nea. About it being a mock test, few colleges grant credit for this test, I hear, so it's a waste of $80.

sosodef, wow, almost everyone i know finished and omitted only a few. i missed a lot as well.

Farenheit 451?

By Hipstertapioca (Hipstertapioca) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 08:40 pm: Edit

entertainment ruining society: 1. columbine shooting and influence on boys 2. american history x movie 3. rating system and overall nature of current movies, tv etc

alfred m. green: 1. patriotic appeal 2. religious duty 3. neccesity to take down tyrant system

birds: 1. Audubon - more scientific and precise, more detached, not so figurative 2. Dillard - more passionate and metaphorical

MC - i have no idea, i may have skipped up to 10, most likely fewer but i have no clue. i had to read last passage twice which cost me a bit of time.

overall, i would be satisfied with a 4, though don't know if its going to happen. hopefully graders grade objectively and leniently.

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 08:41 pm: Edit

hey my darn teachers and counselor told me that...those silly goose they'll pay for lying to me hehehe

By Caramelapple (Caramelapple) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 09:21 pm: Edit

MC was easier than I expected. I finished with about 10 minutes to spare. I didn't skip any- I'm not sure if that's good or bad!! Last passage was the hardest but I think I still did alright.

Essay's weren't too bad either but I really wanted more time. I liked the 2nd essay on Green's persuasive speech. I said he appealed to them on a personal level, addressing them as "brethren" so they know he too his black, he's been discrimated as well. Green addressed the opposing argument but presently a more honorable choice: instead of dwelling on the past, take action in hope for a better future. He also wove themes of patriotism, duty, and greatness throughout his words to give them power- fighting is what honorable men would do.

The bird essay was probably my worst. I said Audobon (or whatever) focused on the number of the flock, its speed, etc - looked at the experience as a whole and was just overwhelmed and in total awe. He stressed we could never fully understand the experience- it's beyond words. The other lady writer was also amazed by the flock but took the time to study the path of an individual bird- it's role in the formation, how it's part of something larger. she was then able to identify with this bird. (What was her last sentence about?!?! I used it as proof that she made a personal connection with the birds. Whatever...) The writers style both used similies to describe unusual aspects of their experience. Since everyone's see a flock of birds, they used similies to discuss their sound, or describe just how many their were - aspects that made their experience unique.

On the entertainment essay I was going to contradict it, but I thought everyone would do that so I went along with it and qualified it. Guess I was wrong in what everyone else was thinking!! The essay was pretty short and I needed more time. Talked about contradicting messages to youth from media and your parents/real world. Violence, profanity, sex. What we find entertaining seems to sacrifice morality. It was alright but not how I feel at all. I just wrote a bunch of crap like that. It may not have been that original but it was pretty well written.

Overall, I'm in awe at how easy the test was. You have to understand my class did nothing all year except watch Disney movies so I was totally ready to fail this morning. I didn't know what to expect- I didn't even really know what the AP Lang course was supposed to include.

Now I'm off to study AP US. Gotta get ready for friday!!

And I put "outfit" for that MC question as well, Doofus. Don't really know if it's right but I used process of elimination. None of the others seemed remotely right to me.

By Minority (Minority) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 10:03 pm: Edit

I talked about entertainment as a form of escapism post 9-11

i used columbine too, damn i hope they won't get tired of hearing the same examples over and over...

Here are a few rhetorical devices i found:

GREEN:
-historical allusion w/ jackson/washington

-anaphora (hortatory subjunctive) w/ "Let us"
and repetition of "It is true"
-use of impersonal pronoun "it" to downplay past atrocities. He is straightforward and does not deny the injustice, but uses denotative language to make it seem less of a priority;
he convinces them that they are fighting for a greater purpose (for freedom/makes it a religious issue by including God [note: slaves clung to faith to endure horrors of slavery so Green capatilizes on this fact for persuasion]

-connotative diction is used to stir up his fellow african americans. personification (i think..) "patriotism burns the love of country"

-onomatopoeia to emphasize intensity of enemy: the war cry of HOWLING leaders of Secession (might be a weak example but i try..)

-Green shifts his tone from conciliatory (it is true..) to enthusiastic/fiery (burning zeal etc.)

-APOSTROPHE; addressing an inanimate objectt. "O country I still love thee!"-increases emotional attatchment of the cause.

-I said Green was not overly forceful; he didnt use an imperative mood and command his comrades directly; "Let US take up the sword"--thus he includes himself with the other men, proving that this cause is worthy enough that he himself would fight as well.

ok so that's all i can remember; notice how i can identify the strategies but suck at explaining WHY they are used..o well..

.................................................since i spent an hr on the entertainment passage (3 pages, small writing), and 45 min on my green one(2 pgs), i had no time for my third!! i skimmed through it grr..it was very general at times.

Here's what substance i could jot down in those few minutes:

Aubudon:
-matter-of-fact/objective tone (almost like a scientist);
-denotative language- no emotional connotation (I observed etc..adverbs/detail used to give reader an idea of setting and accurate idea of event "autumn 1863" "perpendicularly/ literally")
-He used the passive voice (weak usage of language) Passive infinitive :"to be seen"
-there is definitely awe in his tone; like dillard he sees intense beauty and at the end there is a shift in tone/language use; he uses simile with a serpent, but overall not much personal involvement etc...
-he refers to it as a "task," which is emphasizes what I said before about scientist


Dillard uses great vivid imagery and makes use of alliteration ("bird bobbed"), repetition ("and another, another"=creates visual of birds continually appearing).
-She uses tons of short similes ("like the wind")
-Creates a contrast by decribing the flock as "transparent" yet "like smoke"-proving what an awesome anomaly the spectacle is.
-her tone too is one of awe, but she does a greater job of showing it with her language.

GRRR i had no time to discuss syntax and a whole bunch of crap...my conclusion was pathetic, pretty much that Dillard uses more rhetorical devices to convey more of an emotional experience.
*****
Do you think 1.25 pages including all of the above-fairly well written- would get me a 6 on that last essay??
*****

Phew that felt good. I had no idea i found that many...do you guys disagree? what did you say about tone?

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 10:05 pm: Edit

i think college board should give any one who finished the whole exam a three just for doing it all!! whose with me?

By Minority (Minority) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 10:06 pm: Edit

oh yeah, one more thing. Annie Dillard ends her passage with a rhetorical question--God knows what it meant, but she used it lol!

By Nealyac (Nealyac) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 10:19 pm: Edit

hey whats the best possible way for me to get the lowest 3 and still pass. what do graders look for in essays?

By Erika (Erika) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 10:32 pm: Edit

Smiley -- interesting approach. Can I ask how you did the last essay with Audobon vs. Dillard? I'd like to hear what you wrote...

So that was some practice test, eh?

By Yehosh1 (Yehosh1) on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 11:50 pm: Edit

Hi all> I am just wondering if all of you actually answered the first question -which essentially asked whether or not entertainment has the ability to "ruin" society. You might be penalized if you didnt speak to this question, and evaded it... I hope we all did well

By Coolcollegekid (Coolcollegekid) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 03:30 am: Edit

Having completed the AP English Language examination test today, I was wondering whether you would be able to evaluate the controversial approach that I decided to use for one of the essays. The first essay asked us to examine the rhetorical devices John Down, an Englishman who had recently immigrated to America, used to convince his wife and family to come and join him in America. The entire essay was about his praise of the America, creating an almost utopian society. Instead of accepting what Down said, I decided to challenge him. The thesis of my essay discussed how Down blurred the reality of America in order to convince his wife to come to America. Down talked about complete social equality, and how there were no beggars in America, how poverty did not exist. I said that this was all a lie, and that even though America was a better country for the poor to live in than Britain, it certainly was not a land where poverty did not exist. Social equality, as Catholics and blacks can testify, did not exist in America. Down blurred the truth at times, and sometimes even told outright lies. I was wondering whether you think this is a valid approach to that particular question. My other two essays were not nearly as controversial, so I won’t bother asking you about them. Your comments would be greatly appreciate. Thank you very, very much.

By Minority (Minority) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 04:19 am: Edit

Controversial?! How so?

Your approach is a solid, well thought-out one. The AP graders may be Americans and even patriotic, but by no means do all Americans think this country is a utopia. The greatness of it owes itself to the liberties it offers, one of which is free speech and ability to criticize. The US is not, nor was it ever perfect by any stretch of the imagination and yes your reference to slavery and the discrimination against Catholics (especially in MA where only Protestantism was accepted) is great evidence of this fact.


Your stance is fine- I think full agreement with Down would be more controversial myself.

By Coolcollegekid (Coolcollegekid) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 01:02 pm: Edit

thank you for your comments. could anyone else comment about that approach since, after all 4 of my ap's that's the thing im most worried about because the thing is that it asked what rhetorical devices did he use and i said he was just lying and creating a false world. your comments would be greatly appreciated. thank you very, very, VERY much!

By Jenniferpa (Jenniferpa) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 01:21 pm: Edit

Well, in that lying might be considered a rhetorical device you may be O.K. However, and I'm sorry to say this, if the question SPECIFICALLY asked you to identify the rhetorical devices and you didn't you may well have a problem. Definitely, you don't have to agree with what he said, but you could disagree and still answer the question.

By J_Jay (J_Jay) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 02:40 pm: Edit

hmm i thought the mc wasnt 2 bad except for the last one...the first was a little tricky also...but anyways i had a question on the last essay...i revolved everything around comparison of the intensity of the two feelings and emotions the authors made the reader feel. In the first passage i said how it was more of a narrative..so it didnt have the same effect as teh second one..i went more in depth on that and used the rhetorical strats/tone/diction to prove my point...if my grammer and everythihnig is good waht do u think i can get on that??

By Diconoclastx (Diconoclastx) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 06:47 pm: Edit

why do you guys skip stuff?

i answer all the questions even if it is a random guess

By Ceesie (Ceesie) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 09:20 pm: Edit

hey ok i'm trying to remember ?s for the test but i've forgotten pretty much everything already. there is one: for the essay on knowledge was a plea, discourse, or epistle?

essays: for the first one i wrote about how entertainment can't ruin society as long as morality is taught in other areas of culture (i.e. school) and i mentioned how entertainment provides an escape from everyday life and stuff. i didnt make any literary allusions (is that bad?) but i did make a historical allusion to the Great Depression when ppl went to the movies to forget the hardships of poverty, etc.

second one basically was an appeal to emotions, mentioned the quote from thomas paine, blah blah blah.

third essay...eh i completely bombed it...i wrote the whole thing in like 20 minutes and i couldnt think of anything else to add. i said how both used extensive use of similes and i said that both essays were very similar in that both writers were really impressed with the flights of the birds.


overall, not too bad, but i dunno i can easily still end up with a bad score.

By Caramelapple (Caramelapple) on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 09:30 pm: Edit

discourse, i believe. that was the very last question, right?

By Erika (Erika) on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:32 am: Edit

diconoclastx --- if you have ever read the millions of test-taking tips, it is in your best interest to skip a question if you have no idea what the answer is.

Or did you not know that you get 1/4 point deducted for every wrong answer...meaning for every two questions wrong it is effectively rounded to three points off your raw score.

By Doofus (Doofus) on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 01:09 am: Edit

i just realized something.. isn't discussing the test within 48 hours illegal? I mean.. we're talkin about specific questions and everything. Boy I'd like to have seen this thread the day before the test! Anyways, I put plea because the author said something like "advocate." That last passage was totally gay.

USEFUL KNOWLEDGE HAS DONE ITS WORK, LIBERAL KNOWLEDGE..................... lets reconstruct the whole essay.

By Coolcollegekid (Coolcollegekid) on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:12 am: Edit

i mentioned hyperbole i think twice. am i okay?

By Lordhalifaxd (Lordhalifaxd) on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 11:36 am: Edit

hello it I, me is worried about the results, me hope that we all did very good. I agree, we shoould all be able to get a 3 if we took the test.

By Bedlam (Bedlam) on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:42 pm: Edit

Why weren't there any questions that specifically asked for the devices of language, such as diction, syntax, and tone, on any of the essays?

By Booboo2 (Booboo2) on Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 03:40 am: Edit

aah lol you know i thought the test wasn't too bad either. and people say we lucked out on history as well because we got familiar topics ie the new deal and the civil war. i agree that both english and history ap exams weren't too difficulty but it's kinda sad if you think "maybe the only reason i got this grade was cuz it was easy" despite the curve when really you want to justify it by saying "i earned that 5". blah, sorry for bringing down your spirits =P HOPE EVERYONE DID SUPER


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