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Hey parents, I thought I'd post on a topic that has grabbed my attention in the last two days quite drastically and see what you all thought about this issue.

Although I'm not a loony leftist and I'm not planning on going vegan anytime soon, some of the stuff I saw on the PETA website was quite disturbing. Some of the videos that I saw are:
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=mym2002&Player=wm&speed=_med (the most shocking)
http://www.iamscruelty.com/iams-video.asp
http://www.peta.org/feat/napd/video.asp

I mean out in nature killings are done more humanely. What do you wise parents think about this subject?

I do realize that this is consideably off-subject, but I would like to know what parents think.

By Ndbisme5 (Ndbisme5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:43 pm: Edit

okay.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:45 pm: Edit

i'm not a parent. try the parents forum. that's where the parents are. that's why they call it the parents forum. because the parents are there.

By Northstarmom (Northstarmom) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 03:57 pm: Edit

It can't be posted in the parent's forum because it is not on the subject of college admissions.

By Ndbisme5 (Ndbisme5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 04:30 pm: Edit

Yeah, I tried Lisa but someone moved it to the cafe, which I suppose I should be glad it wasn't outright deleted.
But, oh well, who needs intelligent discussion? Maybe I ought to post it again as an admissions essay topic hahaha. I kid.

By Lisasimpson (Lisasimpson) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 05:13 pm: Edit

oh.. good job then.

By Jer728 (Jer728) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:12 pm: Edit

The first video is pretty disturbing. I wonder how they got that film.

By Ahwosg (Ahwosg) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 06:17 pm: Edit

you dont have to be a looney leftist to be a vegan. i consider the only requirements to be compassion and knowledge.

teehee.

By Ndbisme5 (Ndbisme5) on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 09:23 pm: Edit

I do wonder how widespread these practices are in the industry.

I'm not too much into the whole PETA vegan thing because plants last I heard are living organisms too. But what I am for is humane treatment of animal rights. Anyone that has a house pet or whatever would be very sad if some of that stuff happened to their pet.

By Jenesaispas (Jenesaispas) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:16 am: Edit

Well, then, perhaps you should join our boycott of animal products with the ultimate goal of ridding the world of these injustices to animals.

And I'd seen those videos before; they are quite disturbing. More photos: Pictures along the same lines

By Ndbisme5 (Ndbisme5) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:32 am: Edit

I guess most people are plugged in and are unable or not willing to know what goes on around them. I shall change this.

I'm not likely to go vegan Jenesaispas, sorry ... I also guess cold-hearted capitalism does have its flaws.

By Ndbisme5 (Ndbisme5) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:34 am: Edit

Plus, boycotts do nothing--sorry to disappoint you. The almighty dollar and your vote does.

By Jenesaispas (Jenesaispas) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 01:46 am: Edit

Well, if everyone did boycott the suffering-perpetuating products then boycotts would do something.

That's why you should join our global crusade.

By Vegangirl (Vegangirl) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 02:20 am: Edit

veganism isn't a crazy-left wing thing. For me it's just a personal decision not to support the cruelty in the meat industry today. Any way you can find to show you're against animal cruelty is awesome, and always appreciated

By Aim78 (Aim78) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 03:05 am: Edit

Why would you ever want to watch this stuff?

The fact is, Agent Smith was right. Human beings are a virus, and we're probably all going to hell.

On a lighter note, I just saved some money on my car insurance by switching to Geico!

By Ndbisme5 (Ndbisme5) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:05 pm: Edit

haha, nice Aim78. The stuff is horrible. I mean there's actually a person/exec/CEO that actually calulates the benefits and the costs of animals suffering over productivity. Maybe Kosher is the way to go. Say a lil prayer and try to be as humane as possible.

By Ndbisme5 (Ndbisme5) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 05:06 pm: Edit

"Why would you ever want to watch this stuff?"
I also guess most people ask themselves the same question. Hear no evil, see no evil. Some people would rather live with their eyes closed and focus on the little garbage that goes on in their own lives, but not me.

By Ctrain890 (Ctrain890) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 07:45 pm: Edit

That stuff is really incredibly disturbing.

But you don't have to become a vegan (OR a vegetarian) to make a different. Just make informed choices about where you get your meat. Buy from free-range farms where you can be (relatively) sure that stuff like that goes on. It might cost a little more and be slightly harder to find, but I think it's worth it.

By Aim78 (Aim78) on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:54 pm: Edit

But watching this doesn't help anything. It just makes you sick to your stomach. I refuse to click on those links.

I'm a vegetarian, I care about life, that's as far as I'm going to go. No protesting or running around naked for me. Though I have sent e-mails to Walmart about their little "cricket cups" (they sell live crickets in a cup with tiny air holes, and they are STUFFED in there, chirping and all) but they never reply. Bastards. I'll just keep bombarding them.

But I don't need to see animals being tortured. No thanks.

By Sleepdeprived (Sleepdeprived) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 01:13 am: Edit

I chose vegitarianism b/c I want to try to live my life while causing a little less harm. A live and let live philosophy. It had nothing to do with "loony leftist" ideals.

By Ahwosg (Ahwosg) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 08:31 am: Edit

"Buy from free-range farms where you can be (relatively) sure that stuff like that goes on. It might cost a little more and be slightly harder to find, but I think it's worth it."
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Only problem with that is the lack of legislation on what is labeled as 'free-range.' sure, there's a chance it's ACTUALLY free range, but free range can mean as little as five minutes of sunlight. no one checks up on this.