|By Roh (Roh) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 04:58 am: Edit|
did a boeing 747 really hit the pentagon?
this is really interesting...
so what do you guys think? what do you think hit the building?? o_o
|By Yugekorb (Yugekorb) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 07:00 am: Edit|
interesting. I never put much thought into the pentagon strike. Didn't the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania crash because of technical difficulties and not a takeover by the passengers? I thought I heard that somewhere.
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:12 pm: Edit|
f&cking christ that is the lamest piece of conspiracy sh&t I have ever seen.
What about my dad's friend, who actually saw the airplane barreling in towards the pentagon on 9/11? Bet you the conspiracy theorists never thought of that huh.
The one thing I've always noticed during these conspiracy theories is not they are never backed up with real science or experiments. Its completely based on the "Wait, I didn't see it with my own eyes, therefore it must be fake" ideology.
Researchers at Purdue University actually used science and experimentation to prove that the Boeing really did hit the pentagon. Thouands of people actually saw the plane fly into the Pentagon. Where are the people on that flight that crashed into the Pentagon-I bet the theorists will say they are holed up in a top secret government complex. Can't say much for the conspiracy theorists anymore. Huh.
Now just let me prove we landed on the moon and everything will be set.
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:13 pm: Edit|
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:17 pm: Edit|
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:18 pm: Edit|
Roh, it was a boeing 757 not a 747. And it was not a missile.
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 05:34 pm: Edit|
Now, even the horrendously flawed moon landing conspiracy had more weight and credibility than the pentagon conspiracy.
At least the moon landing folks picked an event where there were as few witnesses as possible. Expecting people to believe an airplane did not fly into the pentagon is ridiculous, considering the number of people who either saw the plane with their own eyes or lost family memebers on that plane.
it's Just like the dudes who said the airplanes which flew into the WTC were remote controlled and were armed with missiles SECRETLY CONTROLLED BY THE RIGHT-WING NAZI CORRUPT GOVERNMENT UNDER GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY.
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 10:40 pm: Edit|
i hate things like these.
|By Eyesclozedtight (Eyesclozedtight) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 02:21 am: Edit|
i'm not sure if i believe this stuff about the pentagon, but i do believe that the plane that crashed in pennsylvania was shot down.
there are numerous accounts of people seeing a military type jet in the area around the crash, and a one ton piece of the plane was found a mile from the crash site.
|By Mesotired9 (Mesotired9) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 08:31 pm: Edit|
"i'm not sure if i believe this stuff about the pentagon, but i do believe that the plane that crashed in pennsylvania was shot down."
I believe the 9/11 Commission Report refuted that theory pretty convincingly.
|By Feuler (Feuler) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 08:50 pm: Edit|
I don't know if the one in PA was shot down, but I would like to know why the one in DC WASN'T shot down. I heard a speaker once who lived in DC and he said that regularly he would see military aircraft scrambled to intercept and redirect airplanes going off course near the pentagon. And that's when it's by ACCIDENT. On September 11, absolutely NOTHING was done. I doubt it was some kind of conspiracy, but it was obviously a pretty big -up.
I do not think 9/11 was some sort of gov't conspiracy, but it sure was convenient. For example, many people do not know that long before 9/11, there were plans on the books to overthrow the Taliban by December, 2001. They got a legit reason just in time to begin.
Again, I'm not some sort of wacko, I just think conspiracy theories are fun to think about, because if true they would make reality less boring. If anyone is wondering, the movie "Conspiracy Theory" is hella tight.
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 09:13 pm: Edit|
"I heard a speaker once who lived in DC and he said that regularly he would see military aircraft scrambled to intercept and redirect airplanes going off course near the pentagon. And that's when it's by ACCIDENT"
Need some clarification Feuler, but when exactly did you see this speaker? Was it after or before the attacks?
because if he was refering to weeks and months immediately after the attacks, I can believe that. For a few months, certain bases around high-threat areas did have fighters on a 2-minute alert ready to scramble.
However, if he was refering to fighters scrambling to intercept any stray aircraft near the vicinity PRIOR to the 9/11 attacks, I'm detecting a *slight* hint of exaggeration. Prior to 9/11, America simply was not on this type of alert status, and fighters were NOT prepared to constantly intercept any stray airliners on minutes notice.
Also, I'm somehow doubting the speaker's credibility. The DC area is quite close to Langley, Bolling, Andrews, and McGuire Air Force Bases. How is he to know that military jets are scrambling to intercept stray airliners or on routine training missions? How is he know if these jets are intercepting airliners, who routinely cruise at 30,000ft? And I doubt he saw fighters actually escorting airliners back into unrestricted airspace, given the miles and miles of sky and the human eye's relative LACK of distance viewing.
|By Feuler (Feuler) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 09:30 pm: Edit|
It was after the attacks- he came to our school and did a little presentation for history classes. I don't remember a whole lot of the specifics of what he said, and admittedly some of the stuff sounded a little far-fetched. I don't remember exactly what his job was, but I THINK he said he worked at the pentagon for some time.
|By Northwestlover (Northwestlover) on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 09:33 pm: Edit|
"Due to too many complaints the video has been removed."
Dude, that sucks. I only took that as just another urban legend, but seems like some people didn't.
|By 3togo (3togo) on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 11:37 am: Edit|
The other problem around DC is that the flight path to land at the Reagan airport takes planes within just a couple miles of the Pentagon, the White House, the Capital building, etc. I have no idea how the fighters would possible have enough time to respond to a plane that went off course at the last minute before it was too late to intercept it. And even if fighters did respond they would have to shoot down the plane over populated areas of DC. A very tricky place to be safe in today's world.
|By Eyesclozedtight (Eyesclozedtight) on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit|
i still find it very fishy that the NORAD defense system didn't kick in. especially after two planes had already hit the twin towers. if you ask me, there's a whole lot of the government doesn't want us to know about 9/11.
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 04:22 pm: Edit|
Eyesclozedtight, that is absolutely ridiculous.
For years prior to 9/11, NORAD's mission was to defend against threats coming in from OUTSIDE Canada and America's borders, particularly threats from Russia. NORAD has trained for those situations for years, and it is NOT possible that a 4-plane suicide hijacking within the US airspace could be dealt with in a rapid manner.
Also, i don't think you realize the confusion and breakdowns in communication equipment that was rampant during 9/11. By the time the FAA was able to talk to the US Government was able to talk to NORAD was able to talk to local airbases was able to scramble fighters, the damage had already been done.
|By Roh (Roh) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:16 am: Edit|
here's another link to the flash presentation: http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main
|By Steveruleworld (Steveruleworld) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:58 pm: Edit|
I lived in DC for a year and a half before and up til this summer on Bolling AFB. Let's just say that Bolling doesn't have ANY fighter jets on it to try and scramble, the base was remade into military family housing a long time ago, the runway dug up and many houses put into place. And refering to the scrambling, they did have a few times that planes got into the no fly zone, but when that happened, the white house was evacuated, and planes were scrambled, there was no way that pilots at andrews could have gotten dressed, run to the planes, take off, and intercept anything that really wanted to hit targets before 9/11. The plane's flight path basically goes right over the potomac river, and the pentagon is right next to it, so if a hijacker really wanted it, they could just veer the plane a bit off course as they did. Vamcat has a VERY good handle on the situation in DC it would seem for the most part. And regarding the Norad thing, Vancat is dead right there. it is for attacks coming from outside the US, and no one had any idea what was really happening because nothing on this scale had been pulled off before.
Fighters were flying the skies very frequently for the few months afterward.
And that pentagon story, if you actually went to see the hole with your real eyes, i doubt you would believe and any conspiracy theories. You could even go today and look at the side of the pentagon that was hit, they have remade it, but there is a glaring difference. The old brick is faded and the new ones stand out. Go look at it youself and then rethink your theory.
|By Eyesclozedtight (Eyesclozedtight) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:48 pm: Edit|
yes, there was obviously some sort of miscommunication on 9/11. especially since the FAA didn't feel obligated to alert NORAD that the planes had been hijacked until it was too late. go to this site: www.911timeline.net and you tell me why NORAD couldn't intercept these flights.
|By Vancat (Vancat) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 04:58 pm: Edit|
just for fun one more time
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