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any one has anything to say on this topic? personally i moved to SC from MA, and from my experience MA is way much better.

By Morgantruce (Morgantruce) on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 06:31 pm: Edit

Best in terms of WHAT?

In terms of getting in to a good college in Massachusetts?

Your chances are better for that coming from South Carolina than from Massachusetts.

Not too bad, huh?

By Spartan858585 (Spartan858585) on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 07:40 pm: Edit

Best = California
Worst = Alaska

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 08:50 pm: Edit

Best in terms of access to high-quality pencils.
California...easy imports from around the Pacific rim.

By Morgantruce (Morgantruce) on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 08:57 pm: Edit

Hey, I'm an east coast kinda' guy... but I've worked several months in Alaska---which I loved, and several months in California---which I could not wait to leave.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 10:04 pm: Edit

Yeah, but you're also a contrarian and a crank, which makes it all kinda hard to figure, no?

By Morgantruce (Morgantruce) on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 12:51 am: Edit

Crank?

Me?

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 01:25 am: Edit

If I wore bi-focals, right now I'd be peering over the frames. I note that you've conceded "contrarian" without a murmur. I'll just put it down that you're objecting to "crank" for form and dignity's sake.

I was brought up on horror stories about California and I think it's a cosmic knee-slapper that I've lived here for 80 percent of my life.

More than state, I know that I'm a city mouse. Or a town with lots of culture, like Ashland, Ore. (Shakespeare Festival) or Austin, Texas. Good restaurants a plus. Lots of stuff open until 10pm or later a plus.

Then there's TheDad's theory of relativity...I'd be a flaming liberal in the South, Southwest, and Mountain West states and a squinted-at conservative in New England and, why, where I am now!

By Thenarrator (Thenarrator) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 01:32 pm: Edit

ya'll forgot nYc!!

By Morgantruce (Morgantruce) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 01:48 pm: Edit

...on purpose!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit

Having just been to NYC for the first time, I can say that Manhattan is a magnificent place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there and as for the outer boroughs, they're boibs by any other name.

Looking forward to visiting again. If D goes to school in the Northeast, I think SOP will be to fly through NYC and take 2-3 days for touristing when we can.

By Ml41588 (Ml41588) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 07:15 pm: Edit

new york new york!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Thedad (Thedad) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 08:27 pm: Edit

Worst = state of boredom, best = state of chaos.

By Thenarrator (Thenarrator) on Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 10:36 pm: Edit

Worst= Bush's State of the Union

By Jakethesnake (Jakethesnake) on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 03:36 pm: Edit

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By Uschicka (Uschicka) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 02:55 pm: Edit

It depends what part of cali you are in, of course. You can't say it is all bad.

By Xyz155 (Xyz155) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:12 am: Edit

Pennsylvania is the best- I dont like Philly though but the rest of it is beautiful. I wouldn't really want to live in New Jersey, it seems like it's just a big suburb.

By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 11:09 am: Edit

I like Washington- I admit I am very provincial I have been born and raised here.
Bookstores- Ocean- the Cascades and the Olympics, Mt Rainier, lots of outdoor activities, lots of coffee shops, Ferries, a tolerant outlook, Fremont the Center of the Universe, the Okanagan, great wineries and breweries, Slow food, Bookstores, Center for the Book, Theatre, music, having Pearl Jams recording studio down the street , lakes, rivers, San Juan Islands, bookstores-Pike Place Market,
I was gonna say temperate climate but it is going to be 90 deg today what is up with that?
Last year when we took my daughter to Portland it was almost 100 deg. I live in the Northwest not Texas, this is supposed to be a maritime climate!

By Varr_Rdz00 (Varr_Rdz00) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 11:25 am: Edit

hard to say ive lived in soooo many places , when people ask where im from its a lonnnnggg story

By Brown_Man (Brown_Man) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 04:44 pm: Edit

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By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 06:41 pm: Edit

The citizens of Raleigh are a smart bunchÑ91% of its 312,000 residents have graduated from high school, and nearly 19% have a four-year college degree. A healthy economy and a low cost of living cement Raleigh's ranking as America's Best Place to Live.

Not arguing with cost of living but the national average of college graduates is 30.7%
Our area has 40.2 % & the annual regional wage is $42,863.
Of course those college graduates are probably working at Starbucks overtime to pay off their college loans.

By Canadian_Idol (Canadian_Idol) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 07:31 pm: Edit

canada's the best place to live =)

By Brown_Man (Brown_Man) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

why go to canada if you're in america?

By Zero (Zero) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:47 pm: Edit

I vote for Snohomish, WA or Calabasas, CA.

By Zero (Zero) on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:24 pm: Edit

(I think 'state' is too broad of a term, look at the diff. between N. Cal and S. Cal)

By Kewkiekid (Kewkiekid) on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:52 pm: Edit

i was just about to say that. i've lived in so.cal my entire life and one one had i can tell you wonderful things about socal, but i also can tell you awful things. it depends how long you want to say here and such.

By Calimari (Calimari) on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 11:53 am: Edit

I think where you have lived or spent a lot of time really makes a place bad or good for you. I have lived in Portland,Ore , Boston, Phoenix, San Diego, and I'm going to school in maine. I loved all the places I have lived for different, special reasons. Though I like Boston (because it is such an amazing city), the weather and people in both Portland and San Diego are really nice and welcoming. plus, San Diego has a crazy good music scene (if you like to rock-out like me).

By Spyaware (Spyaware) on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 01:34 pm: Edit

do you guys want to go to a school located at the east coast? South? West? or does that not matter to you at all. j/w. cuz i would not want to go to a school in SC.

By Imaverage (Imaverage) on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 10:22 pm: Edit

Best is washington, worst is south dakota