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I know it may sound weired but i want to the ranking of engineering school from all over the world included.
has some body heard about Indian Institute of Technology in india.
Also Is choosing UCSD over UCLA a right thing for me or should i reconsider ??
as deadlines are approaching so pls respond soon

By Lethalfang (Lethalfang) on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 09:39 am: Edit

Indian Institute of Technology in india
I heard people say "for them, Harvard is a safety."

By Sim98211 (Sim98211) on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 01:25 pm: Edit

i am in Indian Inst of Tech. email me if u wanna know anything specific.

By Thegreat (Thegreat) on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 12:38 am: Edit

I am curious what is the ranking of IIT as compared to the best schools in the world like MIT or berkely for engineering.
I was surprised somewhere to see ots ranking as 75th in the whole world. is it true ?

By Futuretriton (Futuretriton) on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 06:47 pm: Edit

Check this out:

http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/universities2000/scitech/sci.overall.html

These are the Asian university rankings for science and tech schools.

By Divingin (Divingin) on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 01:01 am: Edit

choosing ucsd over ucla sounds great tee hee, i visited both, and liked ucsd better though ... so i'm completely biased. if you're into oceanography or sciences or whatever it's a smart choice, i'm not sure about other things though

By Kk02 (Kk02) on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 07:08 am: Edit

I agree some folks from Indian Inst. of Tech. (IIT) are absolutely brilliant in the physical sciences and amazing in math. But, when you consider the overall applicant, then not more than 5-10% of them would be qualified as Harvard applicants. A lot of them would get into top schools in the US if they applied as undergrads, but applying to the US is a lot of hard-work. While admission to IIT is based on a single admission test (req. intense prep), US admissions is a time consuming & cumbersome game.

By Rashmi (Rashmi) on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 07:22 am: Edit

I think most of the people who can get into IIT with a decent rank(meaning within 500) can get into any of the Ivy Leagues and the other prestigious universities. My friend's elder brother came first in the IIT screenings...he went on to study in MIT and right now he's doing his PG in Harvard. Lots of other people from my school(Loyola,Jamshedpur) are there in Yale and the Ivy Leagues. Admissions to IIT is not based on one but 2 tests.The first one is the screening and if you get through then you answer the mains. It's very intensive preperation-infact the last 2 years of your high-school are spent preparing for it.When you compare the amount and level of studying requires to make it to the IIT's and getting into Colleges in the States-I think getting into IIT is more difficult and that's precisely why I'm not too keen on going to the premier institute in my own country but in going to the States.

By Thegreat (Thegreat) on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 01:47 am: Edit

Thanks a lot people for advising UCSD over UCLA. well i think i have already made up my mind. my major is mechanical engineering by the way.
But lets continue this discussion about the over all quality of the institutions all around the world.

By Uncchlocalmayor (Uncchlocalmayor) on Friday, May 30, 2003 - 09:57 am: Edit

sounds interesting, thankfully I do not live in India, but the good ol' USA!

By Thepiskickass (Thepiskickass) on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 08:54 pm: Edit

Depends.... Which IIT? There are several campuses....... You should be able to get into at least ONE!

By Gangsta (Gangsta) on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 11:43 pm: Edit

IIT Madras is the best of the IIT's. Overally, getting into IIT is extremely difficult, much more difficult than getting into any US schools. It is the best engineering, science, and math school in the world period. The top tech. schools in the US that are good, but a league below IIT are Mass. Inst. of Tech. (MIT), Caltech, UCB, Rensselaer Poly. Inst. (RPI), Georgia Tech, UIUC (people mostly come from grad. engineering)

By Uncchlocalmayor (Uncchlocalmayor) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 09:55 am: Edit

oh well, i don't want to study in India. I love America and the university i'm attending here--i could care less if some school in India is the "top" and the students think they are "better than thou art." blah, enjoy ITT whoever got in, though I sure as heck wouldn't go to a school in India.

By Asdf_1_3 (Asdf_1_3) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 08:17 pm: Edit

I am Indian and I'll admit that IIT is overrated. Most IIT students are one-dimensional and wouldn't have a chance at Harvard (let alone using Harvard as a safety). Don't believe everything you hear on "60 minutes".

By Rashmi (Rashmi) on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 01:43 am: Edit

Gangsta-IIT Madras is not the best...it never has been.On the top it's either Kharagpur or Kanpur.
This year it's Kharagpur(atleast that's what India Today says).and MIT is not a league below IIT. My friend's brother came first in the IIT entrances a few years back(that's a major accomplishment) and he chose MIT over IIT.

By Tanuj (Tanuj) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 06:09 pm: Edit

hey guys, i am an IITian studying at IIT Delhi. it was good to see people discussing about IITs. Though the debate over the best IIT might go on for ever but as far as the best institute in the world is concerned,i feel, IITs are at par, if not above, with institutes like MIT.
As a matter of fact , Mr.Bill Gates said some 2 months back...
IIT = MIT + Harvard + Princeton
though i am not in a position to comment on that but it sure is a matter of pride for us IITians.

By Stanfordhopeful (Stanfordhopeful) on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 09:58 pm: Edit

"I am Indian and I'll admit that IIT is overrated. Most IIT students are one-dimensional and wouldn't have a chance at Harvard (let alone using Harvard as a safety). Don't believe everything you hear on "60 minutes"."

You folks have no idea how true this is.

The whole friggin' thing is based on ONE EXAM!!!

These kids study their ass of for 2 years for a SINGLE TEST. That makes them better than the many people possessing a multitude of talents and exeptional achievements outside of math/science that go to Harvard each year? Please. As overall students, IITians cannot compare to IVY-leaguers.

By Nshah9617 (Nshah9617) on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 06:33 pm: Edit

True, as overall students the IITians are not as balanced and might not be able to hold their own at Ivy Leaguers in certain subjects.

Yet in most Mathmatical/Science/Tech related subject, the IITer will crush the Ivy Leaguer.
IIT trains their applicants only in a science and technology and cranking out top ranked engineers is what they do best.

By Oops (Oops) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 04:55 pm: Edit

This might be true, I don't know. But this is missing the point, since the best math/science/engineering schools in the US are not in the ivy league. It's Caltech and MIT (maybe even Harvey Mudd). Of course, Harvard and Princeton do have very strong pure math and science programs as well. If you compare these schools' science programs vs. IIT, I would think that the American programs are far stronger.

By Bomb (Bomb) on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:36 pm: Edit

Right ... I think IIT is over-rated. KAIST (Korea Advanced Inst. of Science & Tech) overules IIT, and I know a couple of my Korean friends who were admitted to KAIST from American system with a 3-3.7 GPA. So anyone who thinks IIT is anywhere near the standard of MIT ... think again.

By Jap (Jap) on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 12:08 am: Edit

Actually, I have wondered why highly ranked universities such as Peking in China or like the Pohang or KAIST, have not had so much center of attention...
IITs have earned a name because of some of its graduates, who have made it highly successful like CEOs, and Founders of major companies etc...

--JAP
(happen to be a IITian also)

By Tianyu (Tianyu) on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 06:07 pm: Edit

Hi I don't know how these discussions work, but hm... I stumbled across this site from google, when I was looking for a ranking of colleges around the world.

I'm looking for either top or GOOD universites that major in the medical field. I don't know where to start. But anything outside of the US is what I'm looking for. I hope someone can help me.

I don't know how I'll get the response either.. Maybe I should just check back here everyday or something.

By Canadian_Idol (Canadian_Idol) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 02:45 am: Edit

Muhahahah Korean Pride~~~two of the top asian universities are in Korea!

Those two universities deserve their ranking though. People at KAIST are extremely dilligent and the atmosphere is very cut-throat. Not as good as MIT (i mean, that's gotta be the best engineering school in the world), but still very good. Plus, you know how hard koreans work.

By Kimfuge (Kimfuge) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:49 am: Edit

koreans work too hard.

By Cutie911 (Cutie911) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:11 pm: Edit

in ITT, all you do is study all day, you get one day off a month and even then they use that to study, some students went to MIT and Harvard and thought they were like the easiest schools ever, (at MIT i KNOW for a fact that some people actually live in the library for a couple of days not kidding) and ITT grads have 2-4 job offers from the U.S.

By Oops (Oops) on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:16 pm: Edit

So the students at IIT work hard. Really hard. But I think that's true of students at the various top Asian science and technology institutions in general. As the rankings showed earlier, IIT schools are not even clearly the best u's in asia. (I don't believe in rankings, but in this case it just shows that one can't just say, look at the rankings--IIT is the best!)

I think that all IITers work hard, but only the most gifted ones get into places like MIT and Harvard. Since they are as gifted as the other students and work very hard, they would do well. But the group that gets in is not representative of IIT students in general.

By Hmb (Hmb) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 06:33 am: Edit

hi,
i'm a student of IIT Madras.I'm not sure if it's better than MIT,however it is absolutely false that IITians keep working all day.It is true that they work really hard to get in,but once they do they get to balance work and leisure quite well.I personally believe that any IITian deserves to get into schools like MIT,Stanf etc. for PG studies.

By Amagetdon01 (Amagetdon01) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 06:49 pm: Edit

Korean Man Se~!

By Student9 (Student9) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 07:36 pm: Edit

The IIT dorms look like prison cells, and the campus doesn't look as though it recieves much funding.

American and European students wouldn't be able to live in those conditions.

IIT is very over rated. These Indians think that they can easily get into Ivy league schools based on a single test score! They have much to learn about the U.S. and the reputation of the IVY LEAGUE.

MIT is the richest and the best in the WORLD.

IIT is best only when looking at Asia.

By Bobellison (Bobellison) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 07:39 pm: Edit

I'm surprised japan is only at 6...i guess tit(tokyo institute of tech) wasnt th best in asia eh? haha

By Ditraey_Efrit (Ditraey_Efrit) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 11:38 pm: Edit

Ok, about schools not in the States, I know european and asian colleges are kind of known in America, but have you guys ever heard of any latin american university? I mean, I study at the Physics and math school of the polytechnic national institute, and never heard someone mentioned it anywhere else, are we totally by the scientific community? :s

By Nshah9617 (Nshah9617) on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 12:43 am: Edit

American schools are wonderful, no doubt about that, but dont assume that they are the only ones out there and therefore the best.

MIT best in the world? Yes MIT is a good school but dont be as bold to say that MIT is unparralleled in its field.

By Bamso (Bamso) on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:43 pm: Edit

The question is not weather IIT is better than MIT or not? The question is that how even after having 100 times less funds that MIT, IIT's are still able to provide technical education of the highest standard. Money is not spent on air-conditioning or builing up good cafetarias. Money is spent only and only on education. IIT's do not offer well rounded education but talking about technology and science IITians do leave their american counterparts from MIT, Caltech etc. in dust. Technically MIT can accept all applicants from IIT but just beacuse it has to maintain a good mix of students from every country and all types of institutes, so it rejects some applicants. there are around 20,000 IITians in silicon valley and most of them are millionaries, VC, CEO's. IIT's are a brain producing factory where people only learn Science and technology. IITians may be worst at social and personal life.
Think about what it takes to get in top 500 out of 200,000 high school passing candidates. Those who fail in this exam go on to US (MIT, Havard etc).

No doubt MIT is better than IIT but think about the complete picture. If IIT had the same money and funding as MIT then IIT would be 1000 times better than MIT.

As far as best in IIT's is concerned, After the exam every student has an option to go to any of the canpuses based on this rank in the written exam. Delhi,Kanpur,Madras are the most preffered. and then bombay and kharagpur is the least preffered and normally gets the low ranking stundets.

By Evil_Robot (Evil_Robot) on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:49 pm: Edit

What? MIT accepts the best students from all over the world, not just the U.S.A. If you fail the IIT exam, it proves nothing, it's an exam just like the SAT that's not necessarily representative of actual ability. And the fact that you can only take it once throws it into a murky light.

Remember, Einstein failed class. Would he have gotten a 1600 on his SAT? Is he a genius and (according to Time Magazine) the Man of the Century?

By Rashmi (Rashmi) on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 06:03 am: Edit

Now a days what the IIT administration says is-"The people who get through the entrance examinations are necessarily the most intelligent students-they are the best coached students". I think the SAT is also something like that.
Evil Robot-you can take the IIT entrance examinations more than once(infact most people try atleast twice before giving up!).

By Rashmi (Rashmi) on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 09:35 am: Edit

Oh I missed out a very important word in my previous post...
The quote is-"The people who get through the entrance examinations are not necessarily the most intelligent students-they are the best coached students"
sorry!!!

By Stanfordhopeful (Stanfordhopeful) on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:40 pm: Edit

"IIT's do not offer well rounded education but talking about technology and science IITians do leave their american counterparts from MIT, Caltech etc. in dust."

INDEED! That SINGULAR test score obtained after coaching for 4 years is proves IIT students to be on an altogether different mental plane in science than the average MIT/Caltech student who has balanced academics, social life, athletics, high-profile research and standardized test studying for 4 years. How silly of me to undermine the infallibility of that single Math and Science test [sic].

"there are around 20,000 IITians in silicon valley and most of them are millionaries, VC, CEO's. IIT's are a brain producing factory where people only learn Science and technology. IITians may be worst at social and personal life."

You forgot to mention modesty and common sense.

And can you provide a link that states there are 20,000 IIT millionaires in Silicon Valley or did you pull that out of your ass? Thought so.

And if IIT is such a scientific braintrust unparalleled by the feeble minds in the west, then pray tell where are the scientific discoveries and inventions produced by IITians? Why do I never hear about IIT or its graduates, even after the come to the US and have access to the same resources as others, make scientific accomplishments on a regular basis? Why isn't an IIT professor the worldwide authority on any particular subject? Where does all this genius go?

"Think about what it takes to get in top 500 out of 200,000 high school passing candidates. Those who fail in this exam go on to US (MIT, Havard etc)."

Right. Except for the fact that MIT and Harvard don't admit candidates based on a SINGLE EFFING EXAM!

The overall characteristics of a student are taken into account. I wager that the average IITian would never be able to get into a lower level IVY with his "accomplishments": namely 4 years of intensive rote memorization under the guidance of tutors.

"No doubt MIT is better than IIT but think about the complete picture. If IIT had the same money and funding as MIT then IIT would be 1000 times better than MIT."

And you base this on what? Why is that these IIT geniuses don't seem to be in the news even after coming to the US and having access to MIT-caliber facilities as Graduate students?

By Rashmi (Rashmi) on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:41 am: Edit

The priorities of IITians are different from there American Counterparts - I'll elaborate later.....don't have time right now.

By Bamso (Bamso) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 12:18 pm: Edit

Only a dumbass like stanfordhopeful can question the scientific ability of IITians. Anyone who is into research can tell you that most of american research specially in technological areas like VLSI and computing are carried out by IIT students. In compaines like IBM and Intel IITians far outnumber MITians or Caltechians specially in the R&D sections. NASA is filled up with IITians. Indian professors are very respected worldwide and are often the gurus in their respective field. In India IITians study to impelment technology for rural benefit. We dont have money to conduct research on fancy topics. Since americans do not value research aimed at rural upliftment so often all this hard work goes unnoticed.

I am not saying all the IITians are "the" best. On an average IITians are better than any other engineering graduates. Learn to live with it STANFORDHOPEFUL

By Stanfordhopeful (Stanfordhopeful) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:39 pm: Edit

"Only a dumbass like stanfordhopeful can question the scientific ability of IITians."

Petty namecalling? How very unsurprising.

"Anyone who is into research can tell you that most of american research specially in technological areas like VLSI and computing are carried out by IIT students."

Prove it.

"In compaines like IBM and Intel IITians far outnumber MITians or Caltechians specially in the R&D sections. NASA is filled up with IITians. Indian professors are very respected worldwide and are often the gurus in their respective field."

Prove it. Name a recent accomplishment by these "gurus" in their respective fields. Name an invention or discovery of immense scientific importance that was the brainchild of an IIT student. And if so many Indian professors are "gurus" in their field, then why does India have such an abnormally low number of Nobel Prize winners?

"In India IITians study to impelment technology for rural benefit. We dont have money to conduct research on fancy topics."

WTF? Rural benefit? I lived in India for 4 years, my parents for their entire lives. What you say makes little to no sense.


And notice I said that GRADUATE STUDENTS from IIT that are conducting RESEARCH IN THE UNITED STATES have been unable to distinguish themselves in spite of having access to unlimited resources at top universities.

"Since americans do not value research aimed at rural upliftment so often all this hard work goes unnoticed."

Again, what the **** are you talking about? Rural upliftment? For my money, India is one of the most selfish, self-centered societies on the planet... and I am INDIAN! Pray tell, when and where did this IITians use there immense knowledge to benefit the rural masses? Single incidents of fleeting philanthropy do not count.

"I am not saying all the IITians are "the" best. On an average IITians are better than any other engineering graduates. Learn to live with it STANFORDHOPEFUL"

Uh... no. Learnt to face the facts, IIT has been unable to distinguish itself in any way. It remains the best engineering school in India and a competitive one at best in the international arena.

By A87 (A87) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 08:13 pm: Edit

IIT HAS distinguised itself, buddy. Just because you're Indian doesn't mean you speak for the country. You're thinking Nobel Prize winning discoveries, when you should be thinking advancements in technology, especially computers and biotech. Name one IIT grad who isn't intelligent/successful, and I'll eat my pants. You don't have to be an Einstein to distinguish yourself.

By Stanfordhopeful (Stanfordhopeful) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:07 pm: Edit

"Name one IIT grad who isn't intelligent/successful, and I'll eat my pants. You don't have to be an Einstein to distinguish yourself."

WTF is that supposed to mean? You can't name a single accomplishment and you make a comeback with the lamest argument this side of "Iraq has WMDs". Honestly, are computers the only field in which Indians are even remotely recognizable?

If you're going to make the claim that IIT is a world-class insitution equaling and, in some cases, surpassing Harvard, MIT and Caltech, that its students can •••• on every Ivy league undergrad this side of the Prime Meridian and that the only thing keeping this "geniuses" back is a lack of resources, then I'll need to see some friggin' evidence! SHOW ME REGULAR ACCOMPLISHMENTS ON THE LEVEL OF HARVARD/MIT STUDENTS and I'll concede.

By Bamso (Bamso) on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:19 am: Edit

"Rajat Gupta (IIT Delhi) heads the world’s most famous management consultancy, McKinsey & Co; Rono Dutta (Kharagpur) is president of one of the world’s biggest airlines, United Airlines; Dr Arun Netravali (Mumbai) is president of Bell Laboratories, the world’s finest electronic research centre; Vinod Khosla (Delhi) was co-founder of Sun Microsystems and is one of the most powerful men in Silicon Valley; Gururaj Deshpande (Chennai), due to the massive valuation of his start-up Sycamore Networks, is one of the highest-net-worth Indians on the planet. Some of Silicon Valley’s biggest young stars are IITians. When Valley legend Jim Clark (co-founder of Silicon Graphics and Netscape) decided to transform the US healthcare system with Healtheon, he had a simple strategy: recruit as many IITians as he could find."

standford u will find a lot of evidence it you want to look for it.