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hey, I am from the denver area. I moved to the United States 3 years ago on a temporary VISA. I Hold a H-4 VIsa right now. SInce I dont have a social security I am not eligible for FAFSA which means I cannot get any type of federal loan until my green card arrives. the Green Card process is under way.

SO can any of you thinkg of any private form of ADI for me? I really want to go to a good University. If I dont get any aid I 'll jsut end up at a local community college and my whole future willb e bleak jsut because I dont have a 9 digit number.
Isn't this the land of opportunities?
Somebody Please Help me.

By Becks777 (Becks777) on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 05:00 pm: Edit

its funny how people like us....whos parents have been working and paying taxes in the US for years are placed on the same level as international students from other countries...who just want to come to the US to study............and these intl studenst atleast have the option of studying in thier own homeland in case they dont get in or its too expensive......but we dont...

By Indie_Boy (Indie_Boy) on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 08:17 pm: Edit

hey Financelad,I have the same problem but i chose Community College. Going to a community college wont make your future "bleak". There are several people who transfer succesfully to a four yr.My experience is that community college will really help you grow academically...the classes are not as easy as you think it is.

If you really dont want to go to a community college then you should take a loan or something. Good college education pays off.Good luck.

By Financelad (Financelad) on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 10:00 pm: Edit

IO can get into the University of colorado DENVER, which is like a Metro colelge. There are no dorms and I only pay tuition and iam planning on getting 4th HAND BOOKS! lol (

and then maybe transfer after I get a green card
Screw dorms for now I guess. People like us are not allowed to dream

By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 10:51 pm: Edit

People like us are not allowed to dream
What are you talking about?
Didn't an immigrant just get elected governor of California?

By Financelad (Financelad) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 12:32 am: Edit

thats different man. he prolly came when he was liek 40932482384 years ago. and he is a united states citizen. THink about not having a social security for a minute and think of all the benefits you would be missing from your life

By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 01:21 am: Edit

I wont be recieving social security when I am retirement age anyway, because of the debt our country is in.
I don't see that paying into social security right now, is doing me personally any good, although it is helping someone else I am sure

By Financelad (Financelad) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 01:49 pm: Edit

well you are filling out the FAFSA are't ou not? and trying for other forms of AID? well you neeed a SOCIAL security for that sir

By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Do you pay taxes without a social security number?
no you do not
As a holder of a H4 visa I assume you are the dependent of an H1 temporary worker, you are not a US citizen or holder of a legal permanent visa.
While I believe some states will grant you instate tuition, and California schools reserve the same number of places (8%) for out of state students as internationals,
can you give a persuasive argument for using federal money to help non citizens recieve a college degree?
Thousands of students start off their college education at a community college, why do you consider yourself "too good" to go the route of these United States citizens?

http://www.foreignborn.com/self-help/social_sec/2do_i_need_ss.htm

By Folk_Hero (Folk_Hero) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 04:54 pm: Edit

Uh, immigrants work and pay taxes. They bring their money, their talents, and their ambition. They work harder and achieve more in less time than anyone else. If an immigrant, right now, has the potential to be something great, why does his family first have to "pay its dues" for a generation? I thought we here believed in individual merit and individual responsibility? It's society that loses when a talented immigrant is denied opportunities.

If an American citizen has the talent and willingness to work hard that it takes to get into a great college, he can. An immigrant who does not yet have the proper papers can't. It's true that in America anyone who can read can go to college. It's also true that one's life isn't over if he goes to a far less competitive college than he could have. But it is where the competition -- no small part of American life -- begins. Every unjust setback matters.

By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 05:06 pm: Edit

Immigrants are allowed to attend school for same cost as other state residents, therefore one way in which state and federal government taxes are paying for their education.
Why should they recieve additional financial aid, on top of that, before they have made the commitment by becoming a citizen?
Other students who cannot afford to attend college, but still have the desire to do so, work, save money, &/or take out loans. Why are these signs of responsibility not considered? Why is the first thought grants to attend school?

By Becks777 (Becks777) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 06:16 pm: Edit

It just pisses me off that we non-citizens have been working here for years and years but are placed with the same level as internationals....why shouldnt we be given priority just like how an in-stater gets???.....afterall these internationals have a huge advantage of staying in thier homeland in case they dont get in or its too expensive

By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 07:17 pm: Edit

Aliens with an H4 visa are not allowed to work, you can convert to a H1 status if you have had a job offer from a US company
If you wish to attend school full time, you may convert your H4 visa to a F1 visa which will permit you to stay in this country for the length of your education

Immigrant students are given instate status to my knowledge to schools in their homestate, These schools are subsidized by the taxpayers and are available to migrant workers.

I am wondering however, if staying in their homeland is such a huge advantage, why go through all the stress of coming here?

By Financelad (Financelad) on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:47 pm: Edit

Emeraldkity4:
well only my father has a social security number and I amd ependent on him. SO back off! do sum researh on visas and stuff and then plese talk.

so youa re jsut dscriminating against people like us? so If i am an immigrant i shoudl jsut go to a community college? man thats •••••• up~How can you even say something liek that?You better not open your mouth like that in california of NYC or you are gonna get arrested.
I kno I recieve instate tuition but dont go making of a great deal with that. Know the problem. jsut be happy you are a citizen and stop being a GOD DAMN SNOB!

BTW IMMIGRANTS ARE COMING TO GET THIS ECONOMY! you would be shitting if it wasnt for immigrants working in this country. that is the only damn reason why AMERICA is soo powerful. Immigrants are valuable man. SO DONT EVEN TALK LIKE THAT TO US> god damn it. its not liek it was yOUR country in the first place. Frigign the Europenas kileld all the native americans and took over their land. AT least I have a country that I can call mine while you dont.
late~ think about that

By Folk_Hero (Folk_Hero) on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:19 am: Edit

chill!!

By Financelad (Financelad) on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 11:43 am: Edit

well I will

By Massdad (Massdad) on Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 09:53 pm: Edit

Financelad,

Let me tell you another angle. If my D or if I borrow big $$ for college, and I stop paying, she and I are in a world of hurt. If you do the same, you can split. I realize you neither would nor plan to and so forth, but the folks setting the policies worry about those things. They think it's tough enough to collect on student loans for citizens (higher ed has default rates of ove 5%, trade schools much higher), much less for someone who is not, and left for another country.

By Nakattacks31 (Nakattacks31) on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 02:31 am: Edit

EVERYBODY

i am in a heated debate with my senator over this exact issue to propose and sponsor this bill which basically will be called the Dream Act.
Students having lived in the United States for more than four years without permanent resident status will be granted permament resident status for financial aid purposes...this shouldnt be such a big problem because we pay taxes to the US government and deserve similar treatment to other citizens and green card holders...if this bill gets through i might be heading down to Sacramento to monitor its progress in senate..if not then i will hit up the House of Reps...either way Im getting this done if not for me than the countless others

rock on

i appreciate anyones support

By Financelad (Financelad) on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:19 am: Edit

OMG!!! please DO IT DO IT DO IT!
If it passes you will personally be REWARDED!
OMG! please make sure it gets passed