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It seems that Wharton has gotten so much more popular, and the US News boost will only increase people's interest.

The average Wharton SAT is 1460. Take out legacies, donators, black, hispanic, etc.
and you're up probably to about 1490-1500.

I worrry that I might not get in.....

SAT: 1480
Math: 790
Verbal: 690

GPA: ~3.8uw ~6.9w Rank: 1/~800 (school is pretty good)

ECs:
-President of School Investor's Club for 2 years
-4 year member of MuAlphaTheta
-Internship at UBS regional brokerage house in Miami
-On Varsity Track&Field Team
-Interest in Film:
took classes, did numerous projects and won a regional (small-time) film festival award
(I will send a sample to the adcoms.)

However......
-Got a C in German II in my sophmore year (B in freshamn yearGerman I, but brought it up to a A in junior year German III beacuse the new teacehr is easy)
I know Penn has a language requirement

By Haithman (Haithman) on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 11:30 pm: Edit

The thing with Wharton is that it has LOONG been regarded and known as the best undergrad business school hands down. The people who apply here know that they want to follow a carrer in business and they all know that Wharton is the best there is. The rankings will only maybe hurt the college because of those prestige whores that only look for rankings and not overall education (though I think Penn is one of the best out there even if you take out Wharton from the mix). So there may be a little "spike" (I doubt it) in Wharton apps, but not as much as you expect.

By Pennhopeful (Pennhopeful) on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 11:44 pm: Edit

The average Wharton SAT is 1460. Take out legacies, donators, black, hispanic, etc.
and you're up probably to about 1490-1500.
--ew. Is it just me or did that not come out right? Sorry, I know you didn't mean anything, but it just sounded wrong to me,lol.

Anyway, yes Wharton has been known as the BEST undergrad biz school for a while. People would literally DIE to go there. I mean, who wouldn't, what with Wharton's and Penn as a whole's resources.

By Bern700 (Bern700) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 01:42 am: Edit

hey liquidfox during h.s. i did an internship at my local UBS brokerage house.

Good luck!!!

By Irock1ce (Irock1ce) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 03:11 am: Edit

how about ur SAT2s? they're pretty damn important. ur ECs are pretty weak. and that will hurt you pretty bad. ur C in german is also gonna hurt a little bit. dont worry about SAT1s, they're fine. People worry about them too much. Get over 1400-1450.. ur fine for ivies.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 03:39 am: Edit

I hate when people say that over 1400 is fine for ivies.

If the average SAT score is 1460, then I doubt that just getting over 1400 is fine.

And universities do care about their SAT average, because it affects things such as the US News rankings and the quality of students who apply to their school.

Schools with high SAT averages attract a higher quality of students than those without.

Liquidfox: You ought to retake the SATs, if you think that you can do better. As well, You ought to apply ED if Wharton is your clear-cut first choice. I doubt that the adcoms will view your video. Look at their policies on supplements, some schools explicitly discourage videos. Your rank puts your ahead of the pack. Good luck.

By Slidems (Slidems) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 09:42 am: Edit

First, I'd brush up on your essay and tact skills.
"The average Wharton SAT is 1460. Take out legacies, donators, black, hispanic, etc.
and you're up probably to about 1490-1500. "

Not only is that untrue, but it really sounds tactless. Make sure stuff like that doens't appear on your essay cuz if it does, they wouldn't bother to read the rest of the application.

Despite other people's resumes on this board, you're more than well-enough qualified. People will spew a 100 things that seem amazing, but really they spend like 2 hours a month on them, and just want to use them to pad their resume. I had similar credentials to you and got it, which were
-4 years varsity soccer, starting defender
-Soccer referee
-Mu Alpha Theta commitment (and officer) for 3.5 years
-Community service BS and school recruitment staff (went to a top notch charter school)
-worked at department of defense engineering research division.
-1460 SAT/32 ACT

That's a third of what people will put down, yet my rec is just as strong as theirs because of show of commitment and dedication. It's all about quality, not quantity.

In other words, just pad up on SAT IIs and keep your grades up. They pay attention to sr year grades the most because that's when they get to see how time management affects your grades.

By Chocoman (Chocoman) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 10:22 am: Edit

David, if the average score is 1460, they MUST Be accepting people with a 1400 or less. It's an average not a minimum score.

By Liquidfox (Liquidfox) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 06:50 pm: Edit

The average Wharton SAT is 1460. Take out legacies, donators, black, hispanic, etc.
and you're up probably to about 1490-1500.

"--ew. Is it just me or did that not come out right? Sorry, I know you didn't mean anything, but it just sounded wrong to me,lol. "

You're right. I do believe in my statement (simply that the average SAT which many should consider is higher than what is published), but I am sorry if the way I phrased it offended anyone.

btw, thanks for the replies ppl

By Phillykid08 (Phillykid08) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 12:09 pm: Edit

"You ought to retake the SATs"

You were just told to retake the sat's with a 1480, ignore whatever else the person who posted that had to say.

However, if you're going to make comments such as the one you did in your initial post, I don't want you at my school.

That said, from what you posted, you should have a good shot at getting in, even to wharton,thought it's really not that much harder to get into than the other branches anymore. Only apply to wharton if you are absolutely sure of buisness being your future career though, applying to wharton for prestige's sake would be the mistake of your life; it is buisness, nothing else and people seem to fail to realize more than one might think.

By Liquidfox (Liquidfox) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 05:34 pm: Edit

Phillykid, I just apologized for the way anyone perceives my post. Nobody needs you to point that out for a third time. (But don't get me wrong, thanks for posting nevertheless! ). Everyone who knows me will agree that I am often not politically correct, and my words can cause misinterpretation due to their straightforwardness.

So once again, sorry if anyone is offended. Please understand that I don't have the intentions a few of you might infer from my past post.
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Bern: Thanks. I do believe you took that internship after you were accepted, but it should make at least a little difference and I'm lucky to have gotten it! Thanks for posting.

Irock: Good point, I didn't realize I forgot them.
MathIIC: 780
Writing: 790
(I will take US History soon. I project a 750.)

Davidrune: Thanks. I'm applying ED this Nov.

By Mr_Sanguine (Mr_Sanguine) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:04 pm: Edit

yeah i think you're underestimating yourself. And your SAT seems fine to me. Go with ED if wharton is your goal; whatever happens, you won't regret it.

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 08:19 pm: Edit

Phillykid08: I told him to retake the SATs if he thinks he can do better. What's wrong with presenting your best possible scores to the adcoms?

By Belle28 (Belle28) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 11:21 pm: Edit

uuhh, cuz they get all of them? and then you come across as a bit number-obsessed and too boring to have anything else to do for that 3 hour stint on a sat morning?

By Davidrune (Davidrune) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 08:13 pm: Edit

I've heard that most adcoms dont even know how many times you have taken the SATs. All they get is a little sheet of paper with your highest scores in each.

By Baghdadbob (Baghdadbob) on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 02:49 am: Edit

They get all your scores, they only claim to factor your top scores. But if they noticed your biggest hobby was actually taking the SAT that might play a role in their decision.

By Regulus (Regulus) on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 03:01 am: Edit

Three is usually the understood limit. Four is pushing it and five is ridiculous.

By Drake (Drake) on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 05:38 pm: Edit

I've heard that the filing department does "summarize" you into a sheet which the adcoms see later on. (Though they might still have space to list all the scores....)

By Madelinemay11 (Madelinemay11) on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 12:48 pm: Edit

If you really want t top notch business education, Harvard, Columbia and Stanford grads are the most highly paid. You may want to also look at those schools because in the long run it would be a real benefit, especially if you want to move from coast to coast later on, or even overseas.

By Regulus (Regulus) on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 03:53 pm: Edit

http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html Are you trying to say Wharton is not top notch? Keep in mind FT is the U.S. News of MBA rankings, and their ranks are for the entire world.

By Meth5400 (Meth5400) on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:50 am: Edit

i dont want to get into an argument with you but "The average Wharton SAT is 1460. Take out legacies, donators, black, hispanic, etc.
and you're up probably to about 1490-1500." should NOT BE CONFUSED with being straightforward-its a ridiculous generalization and sterotype. i'm hoping that other ppl on this thread recognize this but dont wanna say anything b/c affirmative action discussions are useless-i'm not trying to get into one at all. i just had to say something. and pennhopefull-how do you know he didn't mean anything? most people most certainly do say what they mean and mean what they say. you aplogized if it offended anyone....dont make apologies if its what you believe-i'm certainly not asking you to. you dont believe there are black/hispanic students at penn who excelled academically and score above 1400 on the SAT???. those students are out there-and if u dont think they went to schools the likes of upenn, where do you think they go? for that matter-if you took white people out of the sat scores at penn and only included Asians, that number would go up wouldn't it? Say what you mean/believe, but dont confuse it with being straightforward, your comment represented blatant stereotyping

By Run4fun (Run4fun) on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 10:21 pm: Edit

Yeah it did, but as an Hispanic student who happened to score higher than him on the SATs it didnt bother me so much.

By Sauronone (Sauronone) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 05:30 pm: Edit

it's a statistical fact that blacks and hispanics have lower average SAT scores than whites, asians and indians in any ivy league or equivalent school.

By Baghdadbob (Baghdadbob) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:38 pm: Edit

"most people most certainly do say what they mean and mean what they say."

Meth, are you trying to steal Dr. Seuss' shtick without even giving him credit?


I already know you are going to blow that comment out of proportion and try to rationalize why you should verbally attack my comment. People like you make me giggle.

By Liquidfox (Liquidfox) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 09:55 pm: Edit

For the third time, in my statement I simply meant that the average Wharton applicant (who would be white) needs a higher SAT than the average that is listed.

"you dont believe there are black/hispanic students at penn who excelled academically and score above 1400 on the SAT"

Of course there are!!! What in my quote alludes to the statement that there aren't any 1400+ minorities?

"if you took white people out of the sat scores at penn and only included Asians, that number would go up wouldn't it?"

That's correct. And that was exactly my point, the numbers are higher than what is required of some applicants.
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You have accused me of "blatant stereotyping" and now you mimic me while using Asians instead of URMs.
So let me throw your question back at you changed:

you dont believe there are Asian students at penn who aren't nerds that spent their time studying for the SATs?

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That said, enough of this. Please.
I hope nobody still thinks of this as "blatant stereotyping."
That would have been if I said all minorities had lower SAT scores; and from the posts of numerous CC members, one can see that that is OBVIOUSLY not true.


Nevertheless, thanks for replying Meth and everybody else!