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which would you say is the least selective of the ivy league schools?

By Jnatkins (Jnatkins) on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:21 pm: Edit

Cornell

By Asianalto (Asianalto) on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:30 pm: Edit

Depends on which program, but generally, yeah, I'd go with Cornell. Really mediocre people from my school go there every year.

By Boogieshoes (Boogieshoes) on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 10:10 pm: Edit

i agree. brown is definitely not the least selective. there were people in my class who got into harvard, princeton, yale, and stanford but didn't get into brown. also, i do agree cornell is probably the least selective, but i think it's only fair comparing the rate for the college to the rates at the other ivies. schools like cornell and penn will have higher acceptance rates only because they have many undergraduate schools, and among those schools are some that accept many students (ie. the nursing school). generally i'd agree with asianalto that most of the people i know at cornell (i mean the college of arts and sciences) aren't that intelligent, but don't get offended--i'm not saying that's how all the students are..just the ones i know.

By Kimfuge (Kimfuge) on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 01:26 am: Edit

i think cornell is the least selective, followed by penn. brown on the whole is very selective, but i sometimes see a lot of unexpected ppl go to brown (ppl you would never expect to go to top colleges). besides, hyp, i think brown is least selective than columbia college and dartmouth but more selective than penn and cornell. just my opinion

By Jschuman3 (Jschuman3) on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 02:12 am: Edit

I think its about as selective as dartmouth, depends on the year.

By Dcircle (Dcircle) on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 10:32 am: Edit

This is the reason why "selectivity" is stupid. The most common measure of selectivity is admission rate, but just looking at admissions rate alone says nothing about how hard it is to get in because it ignores two things: who applies and who the school wants.

for example, columbia gets many more applications than most of the other ivies, largely because of its location in NYC. dartmouth gets the least amount of applications. however generally, there is a larger concentration of highly competitive applicants in dartmouth's pool, even though there is a comparable absolute number of competitive applicants for the schools to choose from. also, it depends on what the school is looking for. schools like penn and columbia have multiple undergrad schools--it is much harder to get into wharton and columbia college. other schools like brown toss everyone into the same pile and hence the same admissions rate number. the atlantic monthly recently reported that brown ranked in the top ten colleges in the nation, based upon "difficulty to get into" while penn, dartmouth, and cornell did not. MIT was named the hardest to get into, not because of the admission rate (which is higher than many of the ivies, including brown), but because of the pool of applicants. curiously though, the atlantic reported that it is much harder for a girl to get into Swarthmore, (the number 10 school on their list) than MIT (the number one school on their list) because of the relative dearth of female applicants to MIT.
The moral of the story: decide for yourself how selective a school is by looking beyond the reported numbers.

By Kimfuge (Kimfuge) on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 11:11 am: Edit

good point Dcircle, i agree with you. just curious but were you PLME? what was your major as an undergrad?

By Kimfuge (Kimfuge) on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 11:13 am: Edit

one last question, how many ppl are in plme? is it a significant number?

By Cdiddy (Cdiddy) on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 12:51 pm: Edit

usually around 60

By Dcircle (Dcircle) on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 11:47 am: Edit

kimfuge, i'm not PLME...i entered brown as a pre-med planning to concentrate in international relations and then switched to neuroscience at the beginning of my junior year
i applied to stay at brown for med school because i had a good opportunity to continue the neuroscience research i began as an undergrad in the lab of nobel laureate leon cooper

By Guydollofer (Guydollofer) on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit

Dcircle- what would you recommend for a rising freshman (pre-med) hoping to concentrate in bio?

By Dcircle (Dcircle) on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 06:52 pm: Edit

in terms of courses?

i have a couple of thoughts:

1) at Brown there is this wonderful thing called "shopping period". the courses that you register for this summer are not necessarily the courses that you will be compelled to take in the fall--during the first two weeks of school you will have the opportunity to "shop" whichever and as many courses as you wish, to get a sort of preview before you choose. shopping period occurs at the beginning of every semester. the benefit of pre-registering is that it gives you preference for courses that are likely to fill up.

2) that being said, you should put down one or two courses that you definitely want to take...and the rest can be courses that you think you want to take. you should probably try to decide on a freshman seminar and or CAP course up front if you choose to take one because those will fill up

3) have you had AP bio? if so, you can place out of BI 20, and take more advanced, interesting bio courses. either way, BI 20 is a very popular, great class taught by Ken Miller (he probably wrote your high school biology book and he is also author of the famous book, Finding Darwin's God). It covers the typical AP bio stuff in a nontypical way: my year we had to read watson's Double Helix, Richard Dawkin's Selfish Gene, and Kurt Vonnegut's Galapagos, in addition to our text book. The labs are pretty cool too.

3) Take it a little easy your first semester so that you have time to adjust. Even if you were really hardcore in high school, managing your time at college--particularly at Brown--can be tricky since there is so much going on at any given time. Check out the critical review beforehand, so you know how much work to expect in each class http://www.brown.edu/Students/Critical_Review/
balance two very time consuming classes with two less time consuming classes...as a pre-med, your science grades are the most important so you want to be able to put most of your time there

4) BI 20 is offered in the spring. You can take another bio course in the fall, or start on your pre-med chemistry requirement. I recommend taking CH 35, a math class (if you haven't had calculus you need to take MA 10 for med school, if you had calculus and like math you should take MA 54 because linear algebra is probably the most useful sub-discipline of math there is for a science major), and maybe two in the humanities. BN 1 (Intro to Neuroscience) is also a really great course for freshman pre-meds--about 1/4 of Brown students take this course at some point, even the english majors just because it is so good and interesting. it is taught be an all-star cast of teachers who wrote the textbook.

hope that helps. if you have any more specific questions, let me know, or feel free to e-mail me at any point--even after you get here =)

By Djblink (Djblink) on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 12:20 am: Edit

D-cicle,

Seeing from the number of students enrolled in CH35, there seems to be an overwhelming number of freshmen. Do you think it's a bad idea to take CH35 your sophomore year if you're a premed?

Also, i took AP bio my sophomore year but did get a 5 on the test. Do you think I should still take BI20 or should i skip out of it? How important is that class for preparation for the mcat? Thanks

By Cdiddy (Cdiddy) on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 08:35 am: Edit

i took ap bio my junior year also and got a 5 ... but i am going to take bio20 over again b/c for me personally it feels like it was a very long time ago and i think i need some reinforcement in my knowledge of bio ... i think if i take bio20 b4 any upper level bio classes, it will make it considerably easier when taking a hard bio class after freshmen year ... but thats just my opinion

By Guydollofer (Guydollofer) on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 10:39 am: Edit

DCirle, I sent you an email - neel@brown.edu?

By Dcircle (Dcircle) on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 12:35 pm: Edit

yup

By 1214 (1214) on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 12:37 pm: Edit

for an english major who is interested in having a broad introduction to biology, do you think BI0020 is a good course to take? Also, I never took higher level biology (as in AP, College level, etc). Will i find this course incredibly challenging?

By Jamesah1 (Jamesah1) on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 08:45 pm: Edit

Brown recommends to anybody who passes out of Bio 20 not to take it again. They imply that even though you may feel as though you have forgotten much of the bio you learned, the class would be a waste of your time. I also took AP Bio junior year and got a 5. I'm not taking Bio 20.

By Dcircle (Dcircle) on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 10:15 pm: Edit

let's start a new thread to talk about this--see "Brown pre-meds"

By Madelinemay11 (Madelinemay11) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 12:56 pm: Edit

Brown generally has the reputation for having the least intelligent students of the Ivies (as per the USNews reputation rating). I personally know two Brown students that should not be at any Ivy, much less a top 25 school. Brown's open curriculum and grades-optional transcripts attracted slackers from my school, and they got in because they were on the West Coast.

By Fredmurtz2 (Fredmurtz2) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit

Okay it's time for dun dun dun
"Reality Check". Yes America, It's time for our favorite game show where facts are actually used!

The more blue a state was in the last election, the more likely it is that applications to Brown were filed in higher numbers. New York and California are the two states with the most apps for Brown. Washington and Oregon I would imagine are not far behind. Maybe if you said Samoa or Idaho I dunno. I can't imagine coming from Oregon or Washington would be much help either.

If you want to talk actual research on the subject of Brown's students, NBER's Revealed Preferences survey placed Brown #5 or #6 (depending on the methodology) of all universities in yielding admits.

Even US News doesn't use reputation as a proxy for student intelligence. Do you really want to base your assumptions on a score based on surveys in which 1 in 4 didn't even respond?

By Godis (Godis) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 03:26 pm: Edit

Columbia's selectivity >>>>>> Brown's selectivity.

By Cornellhopeful (Cornellhopeful) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 04:58 pm: Edit

Cornell gets 20,000+ applications, yet have an overall(all of the schools) acceptance rate of around 27-28%. The College of Arts and Sciences also is EXTREMELY selective, probably the most selective at Cornell. I have a friend who got into Penn but not Cornell, a friend who got into Yale but not Cornell, etc. It all depends.

By Cornellhopeful (Cornellhopeful) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 05:00 pm: Edit

Cornell gets 20,000+ applications, yet have an overall(all of the schools) acceptance rate of around 27-28%. The College of Arts and Sciences also is EXTREMELY selective, probably the most selective at Cornell. I have a friend who got into Penn but not Cornell, a friend who got into Yale but not Cornell, etc. It all depends.

By Lovetheriver (Lovetheriver) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 05:21 pm: Edit

columbia's selectivity isn't greater than brown's selectivity. I know many kids who got in who got rejected from Brown. It all depends on the type of student because as stated before, each college looks for a certain type of student that will thrive in its environment. Columbia for some reason has a tendency to take in many weirdos. I think Columbia has the weirdest student body.

By Dcircle (Dcircle) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 07:02 pm: Edit

Currently, Brown is one of the only Ivies to consistently produce a Rhodes scholar every year. Goldman Sachs hires about 50 seniors a year from every thinkable concentration. Harvard Law takes almost 40. These are not the best measures of intelligence though. And if we were smarter, Harvard Law would probably take at least 41.
As the least intelligent ivy, we just try and make the most of what we've got. In all fairness I think we have at least a couple smart students though. And next year, the most recent winner of the Intel prize is matriculating to Brown. That's one more! (if only madelinemay would have gotten in--then we'd have two).

By Dcircle (Dcircle) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 07:24 pm: Edit

what would make you think that columbia is so much more selective than brown? the numbers?
let's do that. ok. columbia applicants are split among three (3) schools. as a result, columbia college has a small number of students (1000). the rest are in the engineering school (700) or at affiliated barnard (2300).
thus, columbia college is 2/3 the size of oh, say brown (1500) eventhough there are a comparable number of total undergraduates.
both schools get roughly the same number of applicants (15,000).
so the question on everybody's mind, is the admit rate of columbia college 2/3 of brown? almost! columbia college = 11% brown = 15%. crazy how that works. (for those who didn't follow, this means that they are both equally selective).

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 11:13 pm: Edit

Cornell is the easiest ivy, lower stats, worse students. there was a time when it was penn and cornell the safety ivies, but now just cornell LOL! Of course there are random people getting into Yale and not cornell, but that occurs everywhere, these are all top schools and are splitting hairs. On the whole from my school a cornell admit was similar to a northwestern or jhu admit. Brown was much harder.

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 11:14 pm: Edit

Cornell is the easiest ivy, lower stats, worse students. there was a time when penn and cornell were the safety ivies, but now honestly penn is very difficult and cornell is at the bottom. Of course there are random people getting into Yale and not cornell, but that occurs everywhere, these are all top schools and are splitting hairs. On the whole from my school a cornell admit was similar to a northwestern or jhu admit. Brown was much harder.

By Fredmurtz2 (Fredmurtz2) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 11:32 pm: Edit

If you remember the fact that Columbia takes 50% of its class ED like Penn and Princeton while Brown and Dartmouth take closer to 1/3 -- If you adjust for the ED gaps.....I'd wager things would look differently.

By Madelinemay11 (Madelinemay11) on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 03:35 am: Edit

Brown does indeed have a lower acceptance rate, but that's because many people think they can get into Brown and apply anyways. It has the reputation for being the grades-optional Ivy and it gets loads of applications because less qualified students apply -- typically those that aren't good at math or sciences.

Many students from my school applied to Brown (usually the lower end students), and a few got in. None of them bothered to apply to Princeton or Stanford -- they targeted Brown, Pomona, Pepperdine etc. The applicant pool at Brown is generally not too strong, but it is large in numbers. It's definitely the UCSC of Ivies.

By Tmonmon (Tmonmon) on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 09:59 am: Edit

Madelinemay11, did you get waitlisted?

By Madelinemay11 (Madelinemay11) on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 12:13 pm: Edit

"Madelinemay11, did you get waitlisted?"

Why does anybody have to get waitlisted to express the kind of people that apply/get into Brown? Expressing these concerns is very natural and normal.

By Tmonmon (Tmonmon) on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 12:36 pm: Edit

Well your concerns were based off anecdotal evidence and zero statistics or hard facts, yet you seemed so adament in your beliefs, I could only assume that you harbored some spite towards the college.

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 02:37 am: Edit

Madilinemay's evidence is ridiculous. Even if one were to go down to her level, brown has better average SAT scores, high school top of class, grad rate, etc. Not to mention the fact that most at Brown have alot more to offer as well. Ranked higher than cornell, better quality of life, cooler people. Better school.

By Knightmare (Knightmare) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 12:45 am: Edit

Brown is a great school, just like all the other ivies, but not without its foibles, just like all the other ivies. But threads like this really only serve one purpose: showcase the insecurity of a stereotype that is further perpetuated through this arguing. The best way to counteract silly comments is to not dignify them with a response (and that may include my post...)

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 08:40 am: Edit

you're right kimfung,

but I couldnt resist...

Madilinemay said...
less qualified students apply -- typically those that aren't good at math or sciences.

Is math or science superior to the humanities? R U serious?????

By Kimfuge (Kimfuge) on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 11:04 am: Edit

from what i've experienced, most cornell students are Brown rejectees

By Knightmare (Knightmare) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 04:33 pm: Edit

Not most.


*ALL

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 05:01 pm: Edit

USNEWS selectivity index:

Cornell 16!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAY below the rest of the Ivies.

By Cornellhopeful (Cornellhopeful) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 07:01 pm: Edit

do you all, actually believe that most or all Cornell students are Brown rejects? We might as well say that most or all Brown students are Harvard rejects. I mean, those statements don't make sense. My cousin got into Brown, Cornell, waitlisted at JHU, and others, decided to go to Cornell, graduated this year, and is starting at Columbia Graduate School for Social Work this week. These statements are just illogical.

By Madelinemay11 (Madelinemay11) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:18 pm: Edit

Just look at overall rankings , undergrad + grad -- brown/dartmouth are below all the Ivies, even Penn. The undergrad is only half the picture...people look at overall reputation of a school, which includes grad as well. That's why brown+dart consistently have lower reputation scores than any other Ivies.

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:31 pm: Edit

but we are talking undergrad here. I would choose cornell grad over brown/dart grad too, but for undergrad I would go to those two over cornell in a second.

Get an amazing undergrad experience at Brown/ Dart and then go to Cornell or whatever major university grad...the faact that brown/ dart have much better grad placement (wall street journal) by far! (Dart 7th, Cornell 25th), only adds to my reasoning

By Jschuman3 (Jschuman3) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:37 pm: Edit

Yeah US News did a survey a couple years ago on what educators and college presidents thought was the best UNDERGRAD education and sure enough Dartmouth and Brown took 1st and 2nd, respectivley. Madeline, I'll worry about the repuation of my grad school when I'm IN grad school, when I APPLY to grad schools I'm more concerned with the reputation of the undergrad education I received.

By Angel_Handsome (Angel_Handsome) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 10:42 pm: Edit

First of all - Cornell is the least selective Ivy.

yea saying cornell students are brown rejectees is totally off base. Mostly the people at Cornell are either MIT or Princeton rejectees and that too only some. I know tons of people who chose Cornell over Brown, Duke, Columbia and UPenn, just because they thought they fit in better at Cornell. you would often see people naming MIT or Princeton as their first choice and also Harvard and Yale. I havent seen many people choosing Cornell over Dartmouth since Cornell certainly doesnt share applications with them. i just know two guys who went for Cornell over Dartmouth that too because LACishness of D freaked them out. i know one guy who chose Cornell over Harvard because he wanted to do hardcore engineering and didnt get accepted at his first choices, i:e MIT, Stanford and Caltech. but this is just one rare guy.

I think what people dont really know is that the average SAT and top 10% is pulled down(at Cornell) by the hotel school and ILR school, where numbers are certainly not important.
But bottom line..Brown is not the least selective ivy. I think Brown rocks and is one of the most unique ivy, im actually a brown fan, if they had really awesome engineering i would have gone there. but by no means Brown kids are slackers or something, they are just unique!!! Cornell is least selective period!!....now i dont why you would want to continue this stupid discussion.

By Angel_Handsome (Angel_Handsome) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:01 pm: Edit

Awrite let me explain to you guys how this works. Mostly students at Dartmouth, Brown and other LACs enter those schools thinking that they would go to a top-notch school for grad and they do try hard and get in. Now, mostly students at research universities arent really thinking of going to grad school but to find a good job after they graduate. Thats why Stanford, Duke, Cornell and to some extent MIT lag behind in Grad placement. grad from these school have better job placement than other LACs
Saying "undergraduate experience" is better at D or other LAC's than other top-notch university is a total bull since goint to a liberal arts college is someone's personal decision.
Now ofcourse D and other LAC's will have good grad placements since most of the students are geared for grad school.

By Madelinemay11 (Madelinemay11) on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 11:37 pm: Edit

"Get an amazing undergrad experience at Brown/ Dart and then go to Cornell or whatever major university grad"

Why? go to a better school to begin with....you may not get in a second time during grad apps.

By Gs86 (Gs86) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 10:04 am: Edit

There aren't many "better schools" than Brown, Dartmouth, etc. Stop being so disrespectful to such amazing schools that most people would only dream about going to, please.

By Jschuman3 (Jschuman3) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 10:10 am: Edit

Madeline, the point is that Brown and Dartmouth ARE BETTER SCHOOLS for UNDERGRAD, and Cornell may be a better school for GRAD. Understand?
Let me make it easier:

Undergrad education quality:
Cornell: Good
Brown/Dart: Better
Grad education quality:
Brown/Dart: Good
Cornell: Better

The ultimate goal is to get the better undergrad and the better grad. Now go figure it out.

By Knightmare (Knightmare) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 02:49 pm: Edit

Anyone see the movie Good Will Hunting? The real truth is that you can actually get a great "graduate" or "undergraduate" education just by being a janitor, reading lots of books from a library, and not going to college at all.

Fact of the matter is, people go to top schools because of the students, resources, surrounding area, strength of extracurricular activities and athletics, connections, wonderful life experience, etc.

a) Cornell is in the middle of nowhere. This is a fact.

b) Brown is comprised primarily of hippies. This is almost a fact.

c) Dartmouth functions upon a drinking culture. This is close being accepted as almost a fact.

d) Penn is regarded by the majority of the general populous as academically and even spiritually equivalent to a certain state school. In our glorious era of making sure both sides are heard (i.e. Swift Boat Veterans for "truth"), there must be at least SOME factual basis in this claim, right?

You know what the actual reality is? No matter which school you go to, someone, maybe even someone on these boards, has a ready made answer as to why that school is utter garbage. They will cite rankings, yield rates, presidents who have attended, age of the school, what people in Asia think, what an employer would think, what a goat would think, etc. So unless you go to..oh wait, no school is free from this assertion. NO MATTER WHAT SCHOOL you are going to go to or get accepted to, might as well sit in the corner of a closet, neatly close the lights, and just cry.

By Angel_Handsome (Angel_Handsome) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 03:14 pm: Edit

nice post knightmare.
I just hate when people start bashing colleges and universities for no apparent reason. Nobody can really say for everybody. but certainly all these top schools like b, d and cornell are excellent but d is more special in LACishness and Brown is just unique (i like brown...lol).
now anybody can start pointing out stupid reason for why the school suck...which is really what a retard would do.

By Knightmare (Knightmare) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 03:16 pm: Edit

Alright, I am REALLY bored, so I am going to post comments that you two have made in the past, just for a little perspective...

Jschuman3 - "The top twenty schools in the country all have equal enough prestige that any difference between them can be made up with hard work and a good personality."

I agree. And yet, you're now turning around and claiming Brown is better in some respect for undergrad?

Jschuman3- "You obsess too much over differences and in trying to rank the best schools in the world (by that i mean the top 20 or so schools in the country). Ultimately what makes them "lower" or "upper" is how the student uses the institution to further themselves. There is no absolute, objective, best."

Exactly. So why continue to argue?

Madelinemay11 - "Columbia and Dartmouth are relatively unknown, as far as Ivies go."

That's so ridiculous I don't know what else to say!

Madelinemay11- "The usnews reputation scores are for overall reputation. Brown and Dartmouth are generally considered the worst Ivies."

Really, hmm...what about Cornell?

Madelinemay11 - "You know that I myself prefer smaller LACs to larger universities such as Harvard, Stanford, Cornell, Upenn etc...I myself didn't even know that LACs existed until I did a LOT of research....I then found that I liked the smaller colleges because I don't like facing the intense competition at the Ivies."

Um, in case you didn't know, Cornell is very competetive, particularly in sciences/engineering. There is little grade inflation. And if you like LACs, why oh why are you pushing for a school like Cornell? That is as far as you can get from a LAC. Furthermore, you seem to be science oriented, yet you have criticized LACs for not being good at science, yet now you say that you prefer LACs, hmm...

Madelinemay11 - "Getting in an Ivy is very special.....it's really tough to turn them down."

YES!!!! This is the entire point. Can we cherish this last statement and stop bickering? I doubt it.

By Jschuman3 (Jschuman3) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 03:33 pm: Edit

Knightmare, you are wise, I guess i was being stupid and instictively defending Brown from being bashed. My point was that one should go to a school for undergrad BASED on its undergrad, not on the quality of its grad schools.

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 04:21 pm: Edit

I too get overly defensive defending Brown/ Dart/ Duke when I hear stuff like "Dartmouth and Brown are considered the worst Ivies."

My solution. Visit all of these schools + the other top ones and make up your own mind

By Jamesah1 (Jamesah1) on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit

As many of you have pointed out already, splitting hairs like this is total bs! When it comes down to it, people choose one of these top schools because it is where they think they fit the best. I'm starting at Brown next week and I have to tell you that I chose Brown over schools that are "better" according to USNews and many people on this board. However, I felt that I would have the best experience (for me!) at Brown. Different schools attract different people; that's just how it is.

By Angel_Handsome (Angel_Handsome) on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 03:03 pm: Edit

goodluck jamesah1.....even if u picked Brown over HPYSM ...its not a wrong decision.!!!! just have fun and study hard!!!

By Tmonmon (Tmonmon) on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 06:16 pm: Edit

"Even if"? I know several people who have...aren't you implying by that statement that it was at least a strange decision?

By Angel_Handsome (Angel_Handsome) on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:59 pm: Edit

no im not!!!! dude just chill...lol

By Cornell_Rocks (Cornell_Rocks) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 01:44 am: Edit

There goes slipper bashing Cornell again. Dude, you are 24 years old and a graduate from Columbia. What the hell are you doing on this board? Every time you post is to bash Cornell. What do you have against Cornell?

By Knightmare (Knightmare) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 10:43 am: Edit

It's so beautiful it's gorges!

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 12:38 pm: Edit

22 dude. And "cornell rocks" means you're not biased?

All I am saying is the truth and Cornell seems to be the one school always coming up in these types of discussions. You don't see chicago vs. brown/ duke/ dart discussions...

By Slipper2002 (Slipper2002) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Look at some of the things cornell fans arte writing, ridiculous!! I guess I should jest let these uneducated comments pass...

Madilinemay wrote:

"Brown generally has the reputation for having the least intelligent students of the Ivies (as per the USNews reputation rating). I personally know two Brown students that should not be at any Ivy, much less a top 25 school. Brown's open curriculum and grades-optional transcripts attracted slackers from my school, and they got in because they were on the West Coast. "

By Cornell_Rocks (Cornell_Rocks) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 03:14 pm: Edit

Of course I'm biased, but how can I not be? Cornell is awesome! How can my comments be uneducated? I'm at Cornell dude. Have you ever studied at Cornell? Have you ever seen how incredible this place is? You don't see me bashing Columbia at all. I respect Columbia because it's one of the top learning institutions in the world -- but so is Cornell. Why do you always bring up US News? Cornell has so many things to offer that cannot be placed in a publication. It has thousands of courses of which to chose from, 13,500 undergrads, 7 different colleges, a world renown faculty, and news breaking research going on.

By Angel_Handsome (Angel_Handsome) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 03:49 pm: Edit

Slipper the point you are missing is....that to make other schools seem better(eg. Dartmouth, Brown, Duke,etc) you bash Cornell, jhu,etc...which is really childish on your part. I had many arguements with you but never have i ever made fun of or bashed other universities nor have i ever called kids from top 20 institutions "mediocre" like u always do.
even Cornell_rocks isint bashing Brown or Dartmouth in his arguements. he is just trying to say that Cornell is awesome too.
and you always make this stupid remark about "easiest to get in but hardest to stay in" ...you are so freaking misleaded!! you dont even know what the actual statement is! its "easiest to get in but hardest to come out" that is with a degree because the courseload is obscene.

By Knightmare (Knightmare) on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 08:19 pm: Edit

Do you know there's a Christian college in Missouri, called COLLEGE OF THE OZARKS, that offers free tuition to every student! What a bargain! But for us CC'ers what that really means is a school to pick on. How can Cornell, Brown, or any of these other even compare? So, let's all bash the heck out of this school (since we're all so jealous of its beneficence)

Ready...


GO!

By Iiquidblue (Iiquidblue) on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 04:24 pm: Edit

Jesus and education make for bad badfellows.

i.e. prepare for a •••••• education at CotO.

By Meth5400 (Meth5400) on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 01:58 am: Edit

I am pretty sure that admission to Cornells school of Arts and Sciences is jsut as competitive as the other ivies. its when you add in schools like hotel managenment (where there is less emphasis on SAT scores and the like, but rather your personality-not to say they take STUPID kids, but its less numbers driven) and human ecology that numbers like SAT scores and GPAs tend to go down. Most people who know about higher education will regard a degree from Cornell Art Sci just as highly as other Ivies.

By Jessc (Jessc) on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 11:31 am: Edit

I got into Yale and Columbia, was waitlisted at Harvard and got rejected from Brown and Prindeton.
Go figure

By Rtkysg (Rtkysg) on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 11:04 am: Edit

Entrance statistics to Ivies cannot be judged by considering only a few applications.

By Knightmare (Knightmare) on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 09:23 pm: Edit

Even if you consider every single application, entrace statistics at Ivies still can't be judged! Seriously...

By Mzhang23 (Mzhang23) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 02:04 am: Edit

"Just look at overall rankings , undergrad + grad -- brown/dartmouth are below all the Ivies, even Penn. The undergrad is only half the picture...people look at overall reputation of a school, which includes grad as well. That's why brown+dart consistently have lower reputation scores than any other Ivies. " - Madelinemay11

RANKINGS DON'T MATTER FOR CRAP. Yes, we all worry about rankings when we are applying, but once you're on campus you won't give a rat's ass about rankings etc because YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL A DIFFERENCE. My friends were disappointed not to make it into HYP and some had to go to Brown and Dartmouth.

Guess what? They love it there now! and you will too! If you sleep worrying about rankings every night once you're in college, you need psychiatric help.

And why are you even considering grad as "part of the picture?" THe college selection process should be all about undergrad experience. Grad school is so far off, don't think about it.

There are far too many overacheivers on these boards who don't realize that college is a time to develop, grow, and enjoy oneself - it's not a repeat of HS.