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Where should I go for Biology/Pre-med?

University of Pittsburgh
Case Western Reserve U
Boston College

Please justify your answer with facts, not just with school pride and stuff like that.

By Genopixel (Genopixel) on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 10:23 pm: Edit

As of now I am considering Johns Hopkins University, Washington St. louis University, and UC Berkely, which all have accepted me without scholarship because my parents dont believe them when they say that they dont consider financial aid in acceptances. I am looking to go to medical school at Johns Hopkins, Washington St Louis, or one of the higher tier schools and so I was wondering where I should go for undergraduate. Where I would be most happy I guess and have a good shot at getting to one of the above graduate schools. UC Berkeley is attractive to me because it is around 10-15,000 less than the privates, but then again should I have my parents suffer for my education after providing for my brother who has a bunch of degrees (bd,md,doctorate,and bma) and my sister whos pursueing the incredibly expensive path of an art degree? They make around 100,000 together, but...after all the deductions I am not sure if they can even live off of whats left. So HELP! Desperate moral decisions. I love college. cough*

By Neo (Neo) on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 10:25 pm: Edit

I've got a question:

How do you make sure you're a resident of a state (even if you go to a college in a different state) to ensure you'll have a better chance of getting into its med schools?


And I've got another question:

After completing med school, is the residency program followed in the same state? If so, is it in a local hospital, or where?

By Iamthewalrus (Iamthewalrus) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 09:58 am: Edit

Do Medical Schools always give preference to the students from the undergraduate school they are associated with?

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 10:43 am: Edit

Geo There's no simple answer to your dilemma. It sounds as though you're working with all the right issues and your sensitivity to your parents' limitations is very thoughtful. I would say what makes the most sense (in most cases) is to first of all let your folks hear exactly the concerns you mention in the above note. Take their input and then match it to your own desires and comfort level at the schools you mention. Bear in mind that by the time you start making a living as a doc, physician incomes will likely have continued their erosion, so repaying big loans may be an awful challenge. Good luck!

Neo You are a resident of the state where you register to vote, where you file your taxes, where you went to high school, etc. If in doubt (and under 18), ask your folks what state they pay taxes in and claim you as a deduction.

As for where you train after med school, it's wide open. There is a program called "The Match" that helps decide all that ( http://www.nrmp.org ). I went from Mexico to Texas to Puerto Rico to Ohio to Louisiana!

Iam The short answer is "no".

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 11:49 am: Edit

what exactly is meant by the term "research internship?" is it paid? is it a shadowing opportunity? how long does it typically last? where do you do a research internship? questions like that.

p.s. has anyone heard back from the nih summer research program??????????????

By Neo (Neo) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 07:40 pm: Edit

Ah, thank you.

By Acennace (Acennace) on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 04:28 am: Edit

NVM... (post edited, got the answer from the board, sorry!)

Sorry? Not at all. I hope the board continues to answer many questions.

By I10rooteu (I10rooteu) on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 02:39 pm: Edit

I am considering medical genetic engineering or surgery...
I know I still have a long time until I decide, but can you recommend a couple of school for each? Also, if I want to go for the medical genetics, what kind of courses do i need to take in college?

By Beachbumming18 (Beachbumming18) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 04:16 pm: Edit

I am thinking about going the med. route, but I am not sure. If I major in nursing, will that hurt my chances of acceptance at med. school? I hear nursing is more hands-on, but I thought I could gain exposure to the pratical side of the field before being 100% certain that becoming a doctor is what I want to do. Do many doctors have nursing degrees?

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 04:30 pm: Edit

Ummm, no.

By Bears08 (Bears08) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 04:42 pm: Edit

Ok heres my question, does it really matter where you go to get an undergraduate degree? Im sure I could get a 3.8-4.0 at some schools I would attend, while at others I would be pushing myself for a 3.4. If my MCAT scores and grades are good why bother risking my gpa at an elite school and not have a chance to apply to medical school in the first place.
Any Comments?

By Nishah12345 (Nishah12345) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 06:53 pm: Edit

hey
i got accepted to miami's bs/md and usc's. but im stuck as to where i should go.
is one better than the other?
im in state for miami so im leaning there, but usc seems like a better med school. does that even matter?
thanks, nisha

By Kumquat04 (Kumquat04) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:02 pm: Edit

I was wondering how important the prestige of a medical school is in having a good career in medicine and becoming a good doctor. Does the school rank affect where you might get residency?

Also... does anyone know which of the following schools were the best for pre-med at the undergrad level: UCSD, UC Berkeley, and NYU? Does NYU have their statistics online?

This year I got into the Lehigh/Drexel 7 yr Medical BA/MD program, but recently I've been hearing rumors that the school has been having some major financial problems or has had them in the past. Anyone know the whole story? Is the program a good option?

By Luda (Luda) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 09:41 pm: Edit

Bears08, you answered your own question. It really doesn't matter where you go to undergrad as long as your MCAT and GPA are good. Nishah, Miami is a really good program. Both medical schools are good and if you're in state, why bother going to the other side of the country when you go to Miami. There's a Rhodes scholar in that program is Miami is awesome. Kum: Becoming a good doctor depends on the person. If you do well in medical school regardless of its 'rank,' you can get good residencies, good career, etc. For premed, all three school are good and all three have tough pre-med competition. Lehigh/Drexel is a good program and Drexel has been having some financial problems, but I don't think they are that major. If you're debating between this program and schools such as NYU, UCs, take the program.

By Jolt21 (Jolt21) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 12:41 am: Edit

quick question..

Pre-Med (specifically, neuroscience) - Brown or Dartmouth?

By Aim78 (Aim78) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 07:26 pm: Edit

First question: Do any of the questions get answered here?

Second question: What does shadowing a doctor usually consist of? What do you do, exactly? And what's the best way to go about getting such a position?

Thanks!

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 08:17 pm: Edit

i feel like shadowing is kind of lame; i mean, you go and follow the guy around--you have no idea what he's doing, why he's doing it,..... what the heck kind of exposure do you gain from that? plus, they usually only last a few days, correct? i just feel like volunteering is the way to go instead of trying to be a doctor while you're STILL ONLY IN HIGH SCHOOL, u know?

By Kwyjibo86 (Kwyjibo86) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 08:42 pm: Edit

Brown neuroscience is the best in the country

By Msgblackhole (Msgblackhole) on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 12:56 pm: Edit

How good is Dartmouth and Pomona for pre-med if I major in a biological related field? How hard is the grading? What about biomed at Upenn? Tough,good?

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 08:15 pm: Edit

does this look good or bad to ba/md adcomm (Rems, plme, nw, gw, nyu, lehigh, villanova, psu, umdnj, umkc...): i've been on varsity tennis since freshman year; last year, we were state champ runners-up. this year, we will be champs. next year we will be champs (sorry if i sound testy). after making varsity this year, though, i quit b/c i felt i wouldn't be able to balance the other things properly (i am a junior--crucial year or whatever). does this show maturity or inconsistency and weakness? haha. i've played tennis all my life, so it was a tough decision--sounds like a good essay topic..... let me know. thanks.

By Luda (Luda) on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 08:49 pm: Edit

Some other programs you should definitely include in the list of competitive programs to apply to Papucutta are:

CWRU and RPI Programs. Both of these are excellent programs worth trying for a shot at.

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 09:40 pm: Edit

cwru is what? and i keep hearing about vcu. i know nothing about it. please tell.

By Luda (Luda) on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 01:56 am: Edit

CWRU is case western reserve university. VCU is virginia commonwealth university.

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 08:50 pm: Edit

i've heard that vcu is not exactly a good program......what about sienna?

By Tennisplaya518 (Tennisplaya518) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:55 am: Edit

yo! what are your opinions on the lehigh program and union program? like, in all aspects. (socially, academically, etc.) does anyone have any suggestions?! thanks

By Margaritadot (Margaritadot) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:13 pm: Edit

Hi I'm choosing between Yale pre-med and the BacMD program at USC. I've heard that the Yale pre-med experience is really stressful and that Yalies are really intense/competitive. Is it worth having the security/less stress of a guaranteed med school spot rather than go to Yale? No matter where I go, I'm still going to try to apply to top tier med schools. How much harder will I have to work at Yale to be at the top of the class and get into a great med school? Thanks!

By Coincolectr (Coincolectr) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:56 pm: Edit

I am currently a High School Junior. I took the March SAT and got a 1360 (690 Verbal, 670 Math). Would you recomment taking it again? I am hoping to attend an accelerated or combined program. I have taken two SATII's - Chem 720 and Bio 700. I will probably do math and writing this year. Do you have any recommendations? Should I take the SATI again? I have a 96 GPA in all honors and AP classes. Will this get me in? How to my "stats" rate? Please help me out! Thanks so much!

By Coincolectr (Coincolectr) on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:59 pm: Edit

Also, I got a 29 on the ACT. I didn't prepare at all for it. Is it worth working on? Or should I not even bother. Should I just send a 29?

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 11:06 am: Edit

Wherever you go, try to do your very best. Try to be near the top of the class because it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than a small fish in a big pool.

Look into schools that are very good "feeder" schools that you think that you may fare very well. By feeder school, I mean, go to a school that regularly sends students into the top medical schools (as well as law and business). There are some small liberal arts colleges that rank in the top 50 of these feeder schools.

Look at the Wall Street Journal (Sept. 03) to see what I'm talking about.

By Neetak24 (Neetak24) on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 02:47 pm: Edit

my friend is trying to decide between Baylor Univ in texas and UMass Amherst... she is a pre-med/biology major, and any info about how good these colleges are for this major will help her tons in figuring it out... anyone?

By Missmoy (Missmoy) on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 07:44 pm: Edit

Everyone,

MIT ($0) v. USC's Bac/MD ($full ride) v. Northwestern's HPME ($0)

I'm having a very difficult time choosing among those three even though i've narrowed it down to usc and mit (due to finances). After visiting MIT, i immediately fell in love with the campus, the people, the endless opportunities, etc. I felt a connection with teh student body there that i didn't quite experience at usc (however, this can also be due to the fact that i haven't stayed at usc for an extended period of time) I know for sure i want to enter the medical field and i know i want to end up in la in the future. this seems to point the road to usc, but i've been getting responses from many people that going to mit will provide me with more opportunities to perhaps even get into better medical schools than usc's. I am really confused right now and would like some really needed advice. Thanks!

By Nishah12345 (Nishah12345) on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 10:15 pm: Edit

usc lets you apply out to other med schools (without any penalty). so you're not locked in.

By Doc1 (Doc1) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 06:31 pm: Edit

Hey, i wanted to know the best premed university in the wayne county area?

thanxs...

By Bharath2007 (Bharath2007) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 08:20 pm: Edit

Probably Wayne State

By Iyelloboi0 (Iyelloboi0) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:17 pm: Edit

hi, im a sophomore in a competitive nj high school, and im planning to attend to some sort of a premed accelerated program in the future. I was wondering if I can get into programs offered in universities such as Hopkins, Cornell, Yale, Lehigh, Brown, ??Harvard?? etc when i apply as a senior...

right now, i have a 4.7 GPA, taking all honor courses in addition to APs (planning to take the three important aps: chem physics calc). i am also planning to take the chem sat ii, physics sat ii, writing sat ii, and math iic, and of course the regular sats with flying colors. i am top 10 GPA-wise currently and plan to maintain my academic position.

im also actively involved in jazz band (principal player), wind symphony (principal player) marching band (treasurer), Environmental Awareness club (officer), Music Honors Society, National Honors Society, Track and Field, Student Leadership Committee @ my local church youth group, Peer Mentor, Science Club, Academic Decathalon (nj state champs!!!!!), and other volunteering work in local hospital and church summer school.

i would really appreciate your honest input where i stand if i continue this course throughout the rest of 2 years in hs. thanks :]

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 01:03 pm: Edit

Iyellobio0: How are your PSAT's?

By Simcityhr36 (Simcityhr36) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit

Hey Ort30 what are some of those schools that you are talking about?

For anyone: Do top tier med schools look down on you if you don't go into pre-med as your undergrad degree? I would really like to get a bachelor's degree in business, but still want to get my MD. Also, are there any programs out there (7 or 8 year programs type) where I can get a bachelor's degree in business and get my MD. I know UMich has a MBA/MD 5-year graduate program, but I'm looking for a 7 or 8 year medical program w/o pre-med. (I know it;s a pipedream)

By Only5days (Only5days) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 07:41 pm: Edit

Dr. Psedrish

I never thought I'd post on these boards, but now with only a few days, I desperately need some advice so any help will be appreciated! I just now found out I got into the Rice/Baylor medical program. For me, this is a great program because I am getting half my tution payed for through scholarships and Rice's and Baylor's location in Houston is very nice as I someday hope to be an astronaut-doctor (farfetched goals I know). However, I think somebody on these boards once asked whether having the safety of a straight med program is more beneficial than the prestige of any ivy (or other renowned undergrad) and I think you said it depends. Well, I also got into Stanford and Yale and after visiting, I am absolutely in love with them both. So now I have to decide whether the peace of mind of the Rice/Baylor program will be worth passing up Stanford or Yale (or Columbia, Brown, Duke, or Cornell for that matter too). Any thoughts?

Thanx!

By Socalnick (Socalnick) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 07:53 pm: Edit

Can you go to medical school after getting a bs. in bioenginnering.

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 08:10 pm: Edit

Only5: You have to go with what your heart and your wallet tell you. Any of those 3 tracks will very likely result in your being a Physician.

Socal: Yes, assuming you've taken all the premed (level) sciences (2 sems gen chem, 2 sems organic chem, 2 sems bio, 2 sems physics) & 1 yr of calculus.

By Iyelloboi0 (Iyelloboi0) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 08:16 pm: Edit

Ort30: my PSAT score that i took during my sophomore year is 1300 something, i dont remember the exact number...

By Dr_Slc (Dr_Slc) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 10:47 am: Edit

I have posted before about my hard decision of whether to attend Stanford or Boston University (Accelerated Medical Program).

BU guarantees you a seat in medical school, though it binds you to this med school, should you progress in the program
Stanford provides a Stanford undergraduate education, though it might be extremely competitive to get the grades and make it more difficult to get into a med school

Both campuses were nice and I probably will be happy at either one, but not overwhelming (thus, i still have a decision to make)

Another concern I haven't brought forth to which I wish to address to MDs on the board, in particular (though all may reply) is, would high school record affect medical school admissions?

I may be in a unique case, since I have ~30 college courses under my belt upon high school graduation, including the likes of Introductory Biology I, General Chemistry I, II, General Physics I, II. I have not gotten As in all of the courses, and I am concerned about my foundation both for the MCAT and further science courses.

At Stanford, if I retake these courses, will it reflect negatively (since those premed requirements taken in high school need to reported on the med school application)?

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 01:25 pm: Edit

Your high school grades will not be an issue. You will need to take all the premed sciences at your college (because they must be on a pre-med, not general, level). One would assume your earlier exposure will help you succeed.
I was an undergrad at BU and loved every minute of it, though Stanford has more prestige and better weather.
Med school often establishes your connections for training, and training often leads to local practice opps, so I suppose you should consider which side of the country you might like to live on for the duration.
In any case, this is a nice set of choices to have. Either way, you'll be happy and well educated. Good luck.

By Kahea37 (Kahea37) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 06:15 pm: Edit

Hi, I'm considering engineering (bio or chem) for undergrad and would like to get my MD to practice medicine. I've been told that most schools will pay for you to get your MD (or was it PhD). Any information regarding this is greatly appreciated.

By Curiosity (Curiosity) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 07:39 pm: Edit

hey nishah, seems like you must have had some great credentials to get into usc, case western and miami programs... congrats--- do you have any advice for a junior looking to apply to competitive programs? What's the one thing you did that you think helped you in interviews/get in... any type of advice would be helpful...thanks a bunch--my email's also on the link since they don't let us post that
--another nisha

By Krunal (Krunal) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:04 pm: Edit

Hey, I'm currently a junior in a NJ high school. I have a 4.5 GPA and am very active in extracurricular activities and maintain many leadership positions. My SAT I score was a 1300 (700 math and 600 verbal). I'm definitely taking them again in addition to SAT II Biology, Writing, and Math. At the moment, I wanted to know, in your opinion, what are the BEST pre-med schools in the country? And which ones have a high rate of acceptance into Medical College? I'd really be obliged to anyone who can help me through this "pre-college dillemma"...Thanks a lot...

By Dreadpirate (Dreadpirate) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 10:22 pm: Edit

Only5: I would not describe Rice/Baylor as safety or peace of mind. Rice/Baylor combines a top undergrad education of enormous flexibility (and tremendous respect in academia) with a top medical school that is part of the largest medical complex in the world. This is an opportunity that is persented to only 15 very fortunate people every year.

By Aim78 (Aim78) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 10:22 pm: Edit

Why is this board all in one thread? Makes it very hard to read and get questions answered.

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 10:59 pm: Edit

Umm, it's not. I count 10 topics. These are archived periodically to make it easier to navigate more recent posts. The topics allow folks to read about the general area that interests them without there being scads of individual threads that may be confusing.

By Dukedreamer (Dukedreamer) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 11:09 pm: Edit

Duke vs. UNC

I'm a sophmore in NC. My chances of getting into Duke aren't exactly great. I pretty confident of UNC though. I want the best education, not so much a social life.

Anyways...I will paying for my edu. by student loans and by my parents. Since I'm instate Duke will about 30k more per yr. Is Duke worth 120k for premed, don't forget med school tuition, or should I just go for UNC?

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 01:53 pm: Edit

UNC

By Dreamergirl05 (Dreamergirl05) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit

Is anyone applying to nylf on medicine for the summer?

By Dukedreamer (Dukedreamer) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 09:34 pm: Edit

Speaking of the nylf on medicine, I am thinking of attending next year, but I dont want to waste $1000+ for really nothing. Does it really look good on a college application?

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 10:46 pm: Edit

i dunno. i got invited/nominated/whatever for 2nd year in a row. personally, i think it's a waste of time and just shows that your rents have got money....although you do get to meet some important people (perhaps "meet" is too strong a word--try "see," because i doubt you'll establish any connections with them). if you apply, i HIGHLY doubt you'll get rejected, because i know low potential ppl from my school who went to the various conferences, including the medicine. so yes, don't waste your time on it.

By Spydersport824 (Spydersport824) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 06:22 pm: Edit

Actually, I thought the same about NYLF Med as Papucutta. But, after researching it some more and other similar programs, it's not that bad. I live in Michigan and UMich has a program called the medical school summer science academy which is designed for URM's but is open to any Mich residents, and this costs $1500. NYLF Med costs about $2000 plus the cost of transportation. I'm going the the NYLF Med forum in Phoenix, AZ this summer. Yes, it is not supposed to be a HUGE honor being nominated. It is not competitive or anything like that. I actually was nominated by a teacher then was accepted from it and then recieved another nomination from who knows where.lol. But it loods good on a college application because you did something extra that you enjoy. any other similar programs would look just as good on your application. Hope that helped at all.
PS-if you dont want to spend that much money, just try to volunteer at any local hospitals. that looks good too, and if you really want to go into the field of medicine you will enjoy anything related to it.

By Chochocho (Chochocho) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 06:37 pm: Edit

I am a sophomore of high school, somewhere midst Northern California. This year, I took the following classes: Honors English, Honors World History, Honors AlgII, AP Biology, Varsity Soccer, and Yearbook. I received "A's" on all of the classes. However, I am an immigrant who moved to America in eighth grade of Junior High. For this reason, my ninth grade GPA was not so great, nor did I have any honors classes...except math, which I received a grade of "B". Because of the reason that I have a somewhat low GPA of 3.8(weighted), I was not accepted to AP Chemistry, despite my rapid improvements. To the point, my question is, "in order to get into medical programs, do you necesarily have to take all three AP science courses(AP Biology, AP Chemistry, AP Physics)?" Or do I still have the same chance of getting admitted into medical programs, with follwing classes next year?: AP Composition, AP US History, AP Computer Science, Honors Pre-Calc, Honors Physics(which will replace AP Chemistry) Thx for the help.

By Iyelloboi0 (Iyelloboi0) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 09:26 pm: Edit

Chochocho:

i remember my guidance counselor and my science teacher mentioning that if u take AP Physics, AP Chem and AP Calc, you have a higher percentage of acceptance over others who didn't. So, i guess taking those three APs are preferred.

By Chochocho (Chochocho) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 01:13 am: Edit

thx

By Cmr (Cmr) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 09:22 am: Edit

Dr. Psedrish
I was accepted into BU Honors Program for Premed, I plan on applying sophmore year to Modular Med Program I got University scholarship half tuition and aid, totaling 25,000. I also got into Tufts with only 16,000. in aid. Is there a big difference in schools as far as premed preparation. Undecided on BU or Tufts.
Thanks

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 09:45 am: Edit

Not a big difference.

By Klz (Klz) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 05:40 pm: Edit

How good is UIC GPPA's program?

I am a IL junior with a 210 PSAT, 1430 SAT, and a 34 ACT. Top 5% of class with good AP courses (a 5 in Calc, a 4 in World History last year(taking 3 AP courses this year). Good EC - varsity in 2 sports and in the band. What are my chances of getting into this program or other combined program?

Thanks in advance for any input.

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 09:15 am: Edit

klz, do you have any other ecs? med experience? what progs are you looking at?

By Faizzan (Faizzan) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:24 am: Edit

Hi psedish

I was wondering which school i should decide on for my undergraduate education, that willl help me to get in to top medical schools...i am decideing between Johns Hopkins University where i will study neuroscience.....Vanderbilt University where i will studying biomedical engineering....and emory university where ill be studying neurosci....im basically deciding between Vanderbilt University and Johns Hopkins University...the main question i guess is Does a Biomedical engineering degree give u a better chance in getting in to top medical schools or a any degree from Johns Hopkins University will allow me to achieve that goal?....a little backround on myself....im from nyc...it would nice to stay close to home....i got a 1450 on my SATS and am not the brightest student....interms of gpa....i had a 90 avg in high school....rank was not that high....only top 10 percent...however i was heavily engaged in research and have terrific recommendations....incredible essays etc....im i would say well rounded...not the typical hi academic standing and stuff...let me know your thoughts as they would be very important...thank you

Best of luck to all in your decisions

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 05:02 pm: Edit

Simcityhr36: Here are the Top 50 Feeder Schools by Rank to the top medical, law, and business schools.

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Princeton
4. Stanford
5. Williams College
6. Duke
7. Dartmouth
8. MIT
9. Amherst College
10. Swarthmore College
11. Columbia
12. Brown
13. Pomona College
14. University of Chicago
15. Wellesley College
16. University of Pennsylvania
17. Georgetown
18. Haverford College
19. Bowdoin College
20. Rice
21. Northwestern
22. Claremont McKenna College
23. Middlebury College
24. John Hopkins
25. Cornell
26. Bryn Mawr College
27. Wesleyan College
28. Cal Tech
29. Morehouse College
30. University of Michigan
31. New College of Florida
32. Vassar College
33. University of Virginia
34. United States Military Academy
35. University of Notre Dome
36. Emory University
37. United States Naval Academy
38. ?
39. Brandeis University
40. Bates College
41. University of California (Berkeley)
42. Barnard College
43. Trinity College
44. Grinnell College
45. Tufts University
46. Colby College
47. Washington University (St. Louis)
48. Washington and Lee
49. Case Western Reserve University
50. Reed College

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 05:06 pm: Edit

Simcityhr36: Pre-med is not a major at most universities. It is just a series of course requirements for medical school that they have. You can major in anything you want and still get into medical school. Some majors are better than others though.

By Faizzan (Faizzan) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 06:35 pm: Edit

Ort30 (Ort30)

I was wondering which school i should decide on for my undergraduate education, that willl help me to get in to top medical schools...i am decideing between Johns Hopkins University where i will study neuroscience.....Vanderbilt University where i will studying biomedical engineering....and emory university where ill be studying neurosci....im basically deciding between Vanderbilt University and Johns Hopkins University...the main question i guess is Does a Biomedical engineering degree give u a better chance in getting in to top medical schools or a any degree from Johns Hopkins University will allow me to achieve that goal?....a little backround on myself....im from nyc...it would nice to stay close to home....i got a 1450 on my SATS and am not the brightest student....interms of gpa....i had a 90 avg in high school....rank was not that high....only top 10 percent...however i was heavily engaged in research and have terrific recommendations....incredible essays etc....im i would say well rounded...not the typical hi academic standing and stuff...let me know your thoughts as they would be very important...thank you

By Spydersport824 (Spydersport824) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 07:19 pm: Edit

Faizzan- Please don't post your message again and again on every board. If anyone has an answer, they will answer. Thanks.

By Wannabedoc (Wannabedoc) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:41 am: Edit

Klz,

i'm going to gppa. i'd say that your ACT is pretty strong but your SAT would have to be above 1500. But GPPA, looks at ACT unless your SAT is better. It kind of depends on where you live. I hear it's easier to get in from southern illinois than from chicago, stats wise. And i don't think you have to take Sat ii's.

Also, you're gonna need more stuff for other combined programs. DO you have research, an amazing ec? Further, there is the interview. THis year, in the first round, they interviewed 80 kids. 40 some kids were invited back for a second interview. They take about 40 kids.

My stats were 1540 790/780/770 but I also had lots of research, and voluntering and stuff. I'd be able to tell you more in the comin year.

Financially, it's a win/win. theirs a university scholars scholarship day which consists of an essay and interview in which you can win full or half tuition.

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 11:24 am: Edit

Faizzan: How do you think that you would fare at each school? Is financial aid a factor? Did you know that you can major in anything and get into medical school? Do you actually like your majors?

John Hopkins is near the National Institutes of Health where you may be able to pursue biomedical rresearch.

John Hopkins is also closer to home.

What do you like besides science (enough to have a major)?

I hope that this helps.

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 11:26 am: Edit

Faizzan: Go where you will do well and where you will be happy.

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 04:19 pm: Edit

Amen to that last comment by Ort30 !

By Faizzan (Faizzan) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 12:38 am: Edit

Thank You Ort30 and right on Psedrish Amen....will take all your thoughts in to my decision....Hope all is well

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 07:17 am: Edit

does anyone know anything about the wilkes-barre ba/md prog (in pa). it's close to where i live, so i'm considering it. also, how is temple's prog? how does it compare with lehigh/psu/gw/u of r/nw? i know these are top tier schools, but i've never seen temple rated anywhere. what are the advantages and disadvantages of the prog? and the same of wilkes-barre. thanks.

By Peepilis (Peepilis) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 05:16 pm: Edit

Psedrish_Md,

I am currently deciding between two schools: UCSD and Truman State University (in Missouri). I would like to go on to medical school and I am wondering which school would give me the best chance at getting into medical school. I heard that the top medical schools discriminate against kids from lesser known undergraduate schools? I was accepted into Bioengineering at UCSD which seems like it would be harder to hold a higher GPA than at Truman but UCSD has a lot of research oppertunities as well. The difference in cost is enormous as UCSD is 30K plus compared to Truman which is free. Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 10:10 am: Edit

It almost seems like another trick question. Medicine as a business is sinking faster than the Titanic (though it's still an awesome profession). Truman will allow you to graduate debt-free, while 8 years in the UC system will see you beginning your Internship & Residency (another 3-7 years that will drain your finances further) about $250,000 in the hole. IMHO, it's not even close. Take the free ride in Missouri and graduate without the weight of the world on your shoulders, a weight that will limit your options.
Ironically, if it's SoCal you desire as a permanent abode, you'll be in a better position to accept the kind of low-ball salaries you might be offered there than will the UC grad who will need to migrate elsewhere for the higher salaries offered in less desireable parts of the country.

By Peepilis (Peepilis) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 04:00 pm: Edit

"Medicine as a business is sinking faster than the Titanic"

Are you hinting that medicine will one day become socialized? What are the chances of that happening and how drastically would that affect our salaries? Or perhaps are you referring to the recent rise in medical malpractice lawsuits?

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 04:50 pm: Edit

well i know that currently, reimbursements for certain specialities are plummeting. i don't think that too many people who want medicine for the money-end make it through med-school anyways, though, so it's all good.

By Rummi (Rummi) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 10:12 pm: Edit

Is anyone going to the High School Mini-Medical School program at Mizzou or the AIMS workshop at SLU? How good will these med. camps look on college apps?

By Laceycheer (Laceycheer) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 07:04 am: Edit

I posted this a few months ago but never got answer. Please and Thank you! :-)
I have a couple of questions, how much does it hurt to when applying to med school if you graduated from college in 3 years? After highschool, I will have anywhere from 40-47 credit hours. Most likely, I will use AP credit to skip pre med Chemistry (I plan on taking AP Physics Senior year, but will most likely retake the course in college) So If I take my MCATs at the end of my second (junior) year, with Chem, organic/biochem, physics, biology, and calculus under my belt, and plan on taking anatomy and genetics my third (senior) year, will my chances of admission be hurt? By application time, I will most likely have 4 years volunteering in a hospital, Medical Organizations, a job, and probably a serority. I suppose my GPA will be food as well, considering the only classes I have ever gotten anything besides an A in has been preAP pre calc and AP calulus AB.

second question- i read somewhere that there is a big correlation between SAT scores and MCAT scores, is this true? If so, what kind of score can i expect? I currently have a 1340 (630M, 710V), though I didnt put any effort into studying, which is bad i know lol.

third- Ive read the posts saying that your major cant really hurt you... by any lucky chance do you think adcoms might find a English/Creative Writing major refreshing??? im either going down that route, or pyschology.

forth- could I possibly be competitive for any BS/MD prorgams? Im not sure if its for me, but Id like to know my chances. Me in a nutshell- 1340SAT shooting for 1400+/will take chem, IC, and writing in may/clubs- Jrettes, SGA, NHS, BETA, school newspaper, Quill and Scroll/varsity cheer and weightlifting/ volunteering- tutoring hs and elem students, and teaching sunday school/ 1/4 Native American/ running for senior class president/ GPA will be around 4.3-4.4 by application time, with 8 APs (most possible in block scheduling) plus self studying AP Psych./able to write killer essay/ good recs?

FINAL QUESTION (LOL)- should i take an EMT class or volunteer at a hospital this summer (if i take the class, ill start volunteering at the hospital in August)

thanks for reading my rather long-winded rant.

By Laceycheer (Laceycheer) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 07:08 am: Edit

oh i just reviewed that slightly outdated post^ ( I just copied and pasted a second ago) and just so you know, I got elected senior class pres, and I have taken the chem and writing SAT 2s and thought i did well

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 01:36 pm: Edit

I have a couple of questions, how much does it hurt to when applying to med school if you graduated from college in 3 years? Little to not at all, especially if you've been creative in those years.

i read somewhere that there is a big correlation between SAT scores and MCAT scores, is this true? I haven't read the study, but I am pretty certain it's true. Why wouldn't it be?

any lucky chance do you think adcoms might find a English/Creative Writing major refreshing??? Sure, that's a fine major. Adcoms love literacy.

ld I possibly be competitive for any BS/MD prorgams? Of course you'd be competitve. If you don't get into such a pgm, the standard route is pretty nice too.


should i take an EMT class or volunteer at a hospital this summer? If you like, yes. Otherwise, go hang out. Beaches are nice. Your whole concept of summer is about to undergo a very radical change, so enjoy this kind of summer while it still exists.

By Laceycheer (Laceycheer) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 04:07 pm: Edit

Thank you very much! :-)

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 04:55 pm: Edit

would someone more knowledgeable please rank ALL of the following programs (in terms of difficulty getting into):

drexel
lehigh
psu
temple
gw
u of r
villanova
vcu
northw
umkc
wilkes-barre (if you've even heard of it lol)

that's about it. thanks!

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 10:22 am: Edit

Laceycheer:


First Answer
Do not skip college Chemistry because you will probably find that the college curriculum is quite different than what you were taught in high school. You need a strong foundation in inorganic and organic chemistry, physics, and biology to do well on the MCAT (as well as a strong foundation in the humanities). Since you have already had AP Chemistry (and since you said that you can skip it in college, you probably did very well in the class), you will do much better in college in those who haven’t had such a strong foundation in chemistry. This will also improve your overall science GPA in college. Medical schools want to see how well you fare in chemistry; by skipping chemistry, you are hurting yourself. This class would also be a great review for the MCAT’s. Additionally, you said that you have taken Pre-cal and Cal AB; since you already took these classes, you have a good foundation in calculus (or math). You should retake calculus in college since you already know enough of the material. The medical schools won’t know that you have already taken Calculus in high school. And also, since you know the material, your science GPA will be higher because math counts on your science GPA.

Second Answer
The SATs and the MCAT are two different test. They both measure verbal skills, but other than that, they are totally different. I read that a recent study shows that most doctors made only slightly above the national average on the SATI. The MCAT is all about you level of knowledge in introductory science classes (inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, biology, and physics) as well as your verbal reasoning skills.

Third Answer
A major in a humanities course will actually help you because many people applying to college will be science majors. Your humanities classes will also help you on the MCAT. Psychology majors have lower acceptance rates to medical school.
Medical Schools are different. Some might like your major and others might not (however, you can major in anything and still get into medical school).

Fourth Answer
If you can get around the 1450-1510 range, you will be competitive for the combined degree programs. Where do you want to go? What kind of doctor do you want to be? Some medical schools have specialties. You should go to a school where you will do well.

Final Answer
You need to research the EMT class a little bit more. I know that some require up to nine months of training before you can begin to work. The class might also suck up your free time. I recommend that you volunteer. Do both only if you have time.


Well I hope that this helps.

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 10:41 am: Edit

Faizzan

You didn't answer my questions.

By Mdsoon (Mdsoon) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 02:07 pm: Edit

I AM A PARENT OF A HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR, WHO RECENTLY ACCEPTED ADMISSION FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME. HE APPLIED TO THE UNIVERSITY OF AKRON AND WAS PLACED ON A WAIT LIST FOR THE NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF MEDICINE'S 6 YR. BS/MD PROGRAM. TWO DAYS AGO, HE RECEIVED ACCEPTANCE TO THE BS/MD PROGRAM. I AM LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION THAT COULD BE USED TO GUIDE HIM. HE IS TORN BETWEEN A PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOL SUCH AS NOTRE DAME AND 6 YR. BS/MD PROGRAM. THE COST FOR NOTRE DAME IS 39,850 AND THAT OF NEOUCOM IS 13,000. IF COST IS NOT AN ISSUE, WHAT IS THE BEST ROUTE TO BECOMING A CARDIOVASCULAR SURGEON.

By Mdsoon (Mdsoon) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 02:17 pm: Edit

I HATE TO BE PUSHY, BUT HE NEEDS TO ACCEPT/ DECLINE THE UNIVERSITY OF AKRON'S (NEOUCOM) BS/MD PROGRAM BY 5:00 P.M. EST TODAY ( MAY 12,2004)P.S. THIS IS A GREAT SITE- WISH I'D KNOWN ABOUT IT SOONER.

By Nike1800 (Nike1800) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 02:59 pm: Edit

Take the bs/md program. The risk of the MCAT's is too high to risk a future in surgery.

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 03:15 pm: Edit

I agree that the 6 year route is probably better, but factors such as the student's maturity and his or her level of career certainty are issues.

I think the MCAT score is a low priority. Anyone who hopes to be even vaguely competitive for med school and then a residency & fellowship in CVS is going to find the MCAT rather routine.

In the long run, I think missing the college experience at Notre Dame will be an issue. Tough call, but pretty good options. Good luck.

By Gangsta (Gangsta) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 04:14 pm: Edit

The 6-year program is the better route. I know many graduates of it doing surgery residencies/fellowships. Notre dame is good, but will not really give an edge in the application process to medical schools.

By Faizzan (Faizzan) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 04:26 pm: Edit

Ort30: sorry for not answering your questions as i thought they were mere guidelines to follow in order to make a decision

However here are the answers:
How do you think that you would fare at each school?----At both schools should be similar. howver i do feel that at Vanderbilt i would do slightly better than at Hopkins. In terms of majors i think bme is one of the better paths to medical school one should take.

Is financial aid a factor?----NO...vanderbilt gave slightly more about 3k more
Did you know that you can major in anything and get into medical school?-----yes, but statistically speaking its tought to major in biology and get in to medical school than it is for other majors. This is coming from a harvard grad and yale med grad. currently at hopkins. But since he is a relative...i dont think he wants me to feel bad...rather he has said hopkins undergrad really isnt that prestigous and that i would fair just as equally at Vanderbilt.

Do you actually like your majors?
I love my majors whether it be in BME, Neuroscience, Political Science, international relations etc. all these areas bring an equal amount of interest. But what i actually want to accomplish is medical school admissions

John Hopkins is near the National Institutes of Health where you may be able to pursue biomedical rresearch.----------I am no stranger when it comes to research thanks for the input.....i have been for 3 years engaged in research at the Mount Sinai school of medicine. and hope to publish by end of summer

John Hopkins is also closer to home.----yes it is which is great

What do you like besides science (enough to have a major)? Economics, Political science, and international relations

Thank You in advance of your input.

Hope all is well

Best Regards,
Faizzan

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 08:40 am: Edit

Mdsoon:

There are a few good books that you can buy in reference to the decision that your son is facing: From High School to Med School, and The High School Doctor.

By Schweta (Schweta) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 02:35 pm: Edit

I want to eventually go to medical school, but am confused about what kind of college I should go to! I am very certain about my career as a doctor but want to get the full college expereince. What type of college do you recommend I try to go to? Should I go to a State school, so I'm not in major debt (like Penn State), a great school with a good pre-med program (Like Duke or Carnegie Mellon), or a prestigious Ivy League (Like Upenn or Yale). I don't want to empty my parent's wallet but I also don't want to hurt my chances of getting into medical school. Please help!

By Schweta (Schweta) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 02:41 pm: Edit

I know I just posted up several questions, but I have a few more! (sorry!)
I've heard a lot about the accererated medical prgrams and the B.S/M.D. program. How much of an advantage does these programs really offer? Do students still have to take the MCATS, are they overly stressed at their schools? Like I said before, I want the college experience but am definitely sure about my future as a doctor.
What advice do you have as to which path I should take to get there? Thanks again!

By Sailorgirl1985 (Sailorgirl1985) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 05:31 pm: Edit

Schweta- Each BS/MD program has slightly different undergraduate requirements for matriculation to medical school. Most have a minimum GPA requirement (for CASE PPSP it's a 3.6, other programs may be a 3.4, 3.5 or 3.8) each school sets their own requirements. Typically you're still required to take the basic pre-med classes: biology, chem, org chem, physics and sometimes english and or/calculus. Again these requirements are established by each individual school. The specific requirements for each program are sure to be found on the school's website or by obtaining a brochure about the specific program. Some programs require the MCAT some don't. Some schools have a very high MCAT required score such as Washington University's minimum 36. Other schools such as Drexel, Temple or Lehigh have a much lower requirement in the high 20's to 30. Some school such as Case, Rochester and RPI don't require the MCAT at all, although Case has a minimum of 32 if you choose to take the MCAT. The best way to obtain information about each program is to visit the school's website if you go on the american association of medical colleges website has a complete list of BS/MD programs within the US.
The college experience was very important to me too, that's why I felt that an 8 year program would be a better fit for me as I would like to spend my Jr year abroad. Since you want the college experience, I'd say 8 year programs would be a good option to look into since you'll have a secure future at a program like Case while still have 4 years of the undergraduate experience. For me I'd rather enjoy college and not have to worry about the MCATs and the possibility of not getting into med school, preparing for the MCATs, completing applications and traveling to interviews can be very time consuming. Why add that to an already busy college schedule if you don't have to. Some of the BS/MD schools such as Case and Rochester give good sized scholarships, that's something to look into and consider as well

By Ort30 (Ort30) on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 08:50 am: Edit

Schweta: Go where you'll do well and be happy. What kind of doctor do you want to be?

By Schweta (Schweta) on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 03:22 pm: Edit

I am interested in some sort of path within pediatrics. Also, how difficult is it to get into a B.S/M.D program--like at Case Western, Boston College, etc? Thanks again for the advice.

By Papucutta (Papucutta) on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 04:00 pm: Edit

which is better during the summer after junior year? nih internship or hospital volunteering?

By Moury (Moury) on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 09:14 pm: Edit

besides hospial volunteering, what other things can I do in the summer so show my interest in medicine, particularly public health?

By Obeanb (Obeanb) on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 10:06 pm: Edit

Dr.Psedrish,

Im sure these type of rumors come out all the time, but lol I hear there will be a shortage of overall doctors when babyboomers begin to retire and because of the socialization of medicine, doctors cant afford to run a practice? is this correct?

Also, I just started summer classes as a Freshman at a local university. I intend to double major -Biology and English, is that a good idea, lol. If I graduate from Northern Kentucky University, which is where I am attending, do you think I cant get into a semi-decent Med School? After all I am only 16.

By Nyugrad (Nyugrad) on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 08:56 am: Edit

Moury,
For public health, try volunteering in a clinic. You may want to contact your local health dept. and see if they need any volunteers.

By Baggins (Baggins) on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 08:11 pm: Edit

I'm going to Harvard this summer to take Chemistry. I'm a rising junior. The chemistry course covers a full requirement for pre-med students. Will med-schools look down on the fact that I'm taking it so early?

By Maud (Maud) on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 11:27 am: Edit

Dr. Psedrish,

Hi! Im a junior and considering applying to several accelerated or 8 year med programs next year, especially University of Miami or Browm PLME. I was worried about next year's schedule though. I was recently accepted into this Superintendent's Leadership Program run by the superintendent of my county's schools. The program would allow me to intern at an institution of my choice. I am already working with an NIH researcher at the Clinical Center over the summer, and I was hoping to continue with the same researcher when I intern next school year. However, in order for me to do the internship, I would only be able to take a maximum of 4 classes (I would receive Honors credit for the internship though). Do you think colleges will look down on my internship experience as a way to "skip school" or something like that, and will like it better if I stick to the traditional AP class load?

Thank you for any advice!

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 10:32 am: Edit

Schweta: See the thread called "multiple degree programs" for discussions on BD-MD paths. A career in Peds is pretty wide-open. Peds residencies are among the least competitive, as in general the lifestyle of a Pediatrician is less than desirable & the income is dead-last.

Papu: While I generally opt for whatever is more fun, I think the NIH is the better choice here.

Obeanb: There will be ever-more need for medical care, but there will not be fewer providers. The government has within its grasp a handy lever, namely visas. If needs ever outstrip the local supply, they will simply admit more foreigners.
There will almost certainly be less resources (i.e., dollars) to go around and so future providers (physicians, hospitals, et. al.) will necessarily be paid less. At some critical level it is fair to assume the govt will step in and take over the health care system a la Canada.

As for an English-Biology double major, it's an excellent approach. That way, you'll be able to express your frustration in written form while clearly understanding just which chemicals within your brain are mediating that reaction.

Will NKU get you into an acceptable med school? Sure, if you have a 3.75 GPA & good MCATs, why not?

Moury: NYUGrad answered your question.

Baggins: You're an 10th grader & going to take the equivalent of a full year of pre-med level gen. chem. in one summer? Geez, I suppose it'll work, though that question will be answered by your undergrad school when it comes time to accept it as the prerequisite for organic. Anyway, the only bright side I can see to such a summer is that you might have my daughter as a proctor.

Maud: I think you're okay either way. Talk with your principal and express your concerns and ask directly whether his or her letter of recommendation will fully explain your situation.

By Pianoman (Pianoman) on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:20 pm: Edit

Dr. Sedrish, I need your advice, or anybody's, on this matter. I am a US citizen considering going to Mcgill University for undergraduate, and then coming back to the US for medical school. My question is would I have a disadvantage applying to US medical schools as a "foreign" school applicant, or would it not matter? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 08:18 am: Edit

Not a problem. The US & Canada are considered interchangeable and of course McGill is recognized as a very fine school. Bon chance!

By Pwiddles (Pwiddles) on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 06:14 pm: Edit

I decided to go to La Salle University to study pre-med b/c that is the only school I could afford right now. But some people are telling me it is going to be impossible to getinto Columbia med school or NYU from La Salle. I always thought that if I maintain a 3.8 and get at least a 30-35 on the mcats I shoulsd have a great chance. Now I am hearing that it is going to be impossible to get int any med school (let alone NYU and Columbia). Should I transfer after a year then if this is true? Please help. Does it reallly matter where you go for undergraduate. I always thought grades and test scores are what mettered. PLEASE BE HONEST. I really appreciate your help!

By Skulkarni1 (Skulkarni1) on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 03:49 pm: Edit

i have a question about the different opportunities of work atmospheres a general pediatrician has. I am very interested in primary care pediatrics and I want to help people who are poor. I don't really want to do private practice. I was looking into free clinics. The thing is, I want to be a pediatrician but I don't necessarily need to make a lot of money. I do, however, need to make a "decent" amount. Basically, i wouldn't have an issue living a "middle class" lifestyle as a physician if I loved my job.

My question is this: in free clinics, do the doctors get paid at all? if so, what are the usual ranges of salaries for pediatricians working in free clinics? do the doctors who work at free clinics get like special insurance free, do they have to buy them, or like how do they deal with malpractice issues because in free clinics usually the patients are uninsured? What are the disadvantages you can see to working in a free clinic other than a lower salary? any input would be greatly appreciaited! thank you!

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 01:52 pm: Edit

Docs working in "free clinics" (usually not free, but based on what the pt can pay, and subsidized by the state or county with federal matching funds), especially as Pediatricians, can count on making about $80,000 a year now, with malpractice insurance provided.
The disadvantages are legion. Limited physician resources and poor patient compliance make practicing in these clinics extremely frustrating. The "burn-out" rate in such places is pretty high.

By Zhuyiron (Zhuyiron) on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 07:57 am: Edit

I am an international student from China. I want to be a physician, however should I tell the college my dream career? I know it is a sort of daydreaming for few international student will go to medical schools. Will it affect their admission decision?

By Psedrish_Md (Psedrish_Md) on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 02:35 pm: Edit

Zhuy: Med school here is not a daydream, and nobody on the admissions committee will care at all if you are Chinese or a green Martian. Be honest, do great work in & out of the classroom and you'll become a physician here if that is what you want. In terms of making all things possible, this country is still the land of opportunity.

By Polly (Polly) on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 05:06 pm: Edit

Hi there! I'm wondering if Kaplan is good for preparation for MCAT. I'd like to use the online course.

Thanks!