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So... with a little over 10 days remaining, where is everyone appearing next fall?

Personally, I am still deciding between U Washington and U Penn

By Erin (Erin) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 08:23 am: Edit

UCLA

By Dree (Dree) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 12:17 pm: Edit

MIT

By Rhino (Rhino) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit

princeton

By Cornellian (Cornellian) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 02:05 pm: Edit

Cornell, what's the University of Washington?

By Totoro (Totoro) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 02:18 pm: Edit

Stanford...I'm 95% sure. Either there or USC Film School (the other 5%).

By Cornell06 (Cornell06) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 02:53 pm: Edit

You're debating between a 47th ranked public school and an Ivy? Money a problem I assume?

By Jules07 (Jules07) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 03:32 pm: Edit

swarthmore

By Londoner (Londoner) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 03:35 pm: Edit

Princeton (hey Rhino!)

By Fender1 (Fender1) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 05:13 pm: Edit

No money is not a problem, Penn was generous. But I'm going in as an engineer. Check out their ranks for Engineering, specifically Computer Science and Engineering and you will see why.

By Fender1 (Fender1) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 05:16 pm: Edit

Not to mention that UW will move up considerably in the rankings once the new stats roll out. The biggest thing knocking UW down was their acceptance rate (79% in '01) which is now down to around 40%.

Hey, it's my hometown U, i'm defensive when no one seems to know how good of a school it acutally is, esp for engeering (hello! microsoft, amazon, and boeing!)

By Lancelot69 (Lancelot69) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 06:03 pm: Edit

MIT

By Breeze (Breeze) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 06:06 pm: Edit

Fender, what were your impressions of your visit to Penn and your visit to Virginia? I see you've eliminated UVa... did your visit play into that? I do think you should go to Penn, but I'm just moderately suprised after visiting both that you eliminated UVa... I was more afraid you'd eliminate Penn (although both are very nice).

By Futuretriton (Futuretriton) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 06:21 pm: Edit

UCSD

By Poutingminotaur (Poutingminotaur) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 07:25 pm: Edit

MIT

By Quain (Quain) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 08:46 pm: Edit

Fender1, What stats do you have? Did you get into UW Honors? I also live in Washington, and looking at whether to go to UW or not next year.

By Fender1 (Fender1) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 08:57 pm: Edit

3.93 gpa 1550 sat I, 760 750 710 sat IIs.
Funny thing about UW Honors. I applied, and they told me they would have a decision 6-8 weeks after i received my decision from the university. Well, I got my offer of admission postmasrked Dec. 12 and still have not head from Honors. I e-mailed them twice but keep getting the same repsonse "You will hear approx. 6-8 weeks... yada yada yada"

I'm not that perturbed, what's the benefit of UW honors anyways?

What part of WA you in?

By Cornellian (Cornellian) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 09:46 pm: Edit

Rankings? Penn is still better than UW in engineering. Anyway, I toured Penn a few days ago; they recognize that their engineering is lacking in comparison to their other schools. They have three new buildings opening up this year and if you look at a campus map you can see the engineering sector is expanding greatly. Faculty is also being increased by 30%. Average starting salaries for this year's graduating class were from 65k-90k. This is all straight from the University.

By Ares15 (Ares15) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 09:49 pm: Edit

Speaking of next year's rankings, which schools do you think are going to be going up? I think Penn and Columbia are going to rise, as well as UCLA. Cornell will likely drop due to the increased acceptance rate (31%). I think UCLA will make the biggest jump, they had the largest applicant pool in the nation this year and most likely a smaller acceptance rate.

By Fender1 (Fender1) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 09:57 pm: Edit

Acutally, if you look at Us News and Reports UW is ranked 20 for Engineering, and Penn is 37th. UW is also top 10 for CSE in both undergrad and grad.
And the stat I got from Penn (visited on Wed) was avg. starting salary from the School of Engineering was $53,071 for the Class of 2002.

By Emeraldkity4 (Emeraldkity4) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 10:13 pm: Edit

THe top undergrad schools for engineering in varied fields according to US SNews are dominated by MIT, Carnegie mellon, Stanford, Berkeley, U of Illinois Urbana, U Michigan Ann Arbor, Georgia Tech, Cal tech, and Texas @ Austin. ( top five)

Top schools for grad school in engineering ( all fields) U Penn and UW are actually tied at 29 ( again according to those folks at US news)
You might as well go to UW particualry if you want to work at microsoft, they are getting tired of having to go out of state for engineers.

Not to mention you could get a job summers and by the time you graduate you could have your pick

By Upenn06 (Upenn06) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 10:32 pm: Edit

How could Penn possibly go up in the rankings, Ares???

The only schools above it are Harvard, Yale, and Princeton...I doubt penn is going to surpass any of those schools...Penn has gotten as high as it's ever going to get.

By Ares15 (Ares15) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 10:40 pm: Edit

It's been going up 1 spot for the past 4 years or so. I wouldn't be surprised if it tied Yale for third.

By Cornellian07 (Cornellian07) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 10:50 pm: Edit

I don't think Penn deserves to be tied with Stanford and MIT in 4th to begin with.

By Cornellian (Cornellian) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 10:57 pm: Edit

I got those salary stats from a professor I spoke with, it's for job offers his students have been getting so far this year. As far as rankings, I must have been looking at last year rankings then. I still don't see the logic in choosing WU over Penn. The rankings difference is very small. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

By Ares15 (Ares15) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 10:59 pm: Edit

It's not like rankings are subjective. They do it by numbers. Penn is a much more well-rounded school than MIT anyway.

By Vballcourt (Vballcourt) on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 11:18 pm: Edit

UCSB

By Josz (Josz) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 12:49 am: Edit

COOPER UNION

By Brd (Brd) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 12:58 am: Edit

"It's not like rankings are subjective. They do it by numbers."

Well, sure it is, just like that. Someone has to decide which numbers to include (and which ones not to include) and how to weight the different categories. All of that is subjective, and certainly affects the way the rankings come out in the end.

By Ares15 (Ares15) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 01:15 am: Edit

Ya, US News likes to change their scale from year to year just to mix it up a bit. But all the schools follow that scale so it's not like someone just randomnly choose where to place the schools. All the schools are ranked the way they are for a reason.

By Lb123 (Lb123) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 11:12 am: Edit

Brandeis

By Chenny (Chenny) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 11:32 am: Edit

Rice University or Columbia?

Please help me decide. I'm going in as a elec/comp engineer, hoping to go to grad (law) school after my undergrad years.

Will going to Rice help me for law school (because less people at Rice means less competition from the same school when applying to grad school and maybe I'll get a higher GPA at Rice?)

Please help! The clock is ticking and I'm not even close to making a decision!

By Cbm (Cbm) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 03:03 pm: Edit

Either school (Rice or Columbia) will be the same as far as getting into Law school. It is what you do while you are there that counts. I think the issue might come down to money and location.

By Chenny (Chenny) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 07:10 pm: Edit

Cbm,

So a law school won't say, "Oh, he went to Columbia University, this big named, prestigious univeristy, he's going to be better than some guy coming from Rice..." will they?

By Cornellian07 (Cornellian07) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 07:19 pm: Edit

The law school wouldn't do that, because if you're doing engineering, you're getting your degree from the Fu Foundation, which isn't nearly as highly regarded as the college. I don't know much about Rice's engineering program, but I doubt that admission to law schools would be hindered by one school or the other. They're both good schools.

By L76 (L76) on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 08:46 pm: Edit

Chenny, law schools will place the most importance on your LSAT exam (that's law school's equivalent of the SAT) and on your GPA. The better the law school, the higher the GPA (Harvard's Law School, I believe, has a 25%/75% GPA range of 3.76/3.94). Your undergraduate university doesn't matter. Also your extracurricular involvement and evidence of leadership is also important.

By The_Paradox_Guy (The_Paradox_Guy) on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 11:32 am: Edit

P-R-I-N-C-E-T-O-N

By Zohaib (Zohaib) on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:33 pm: Edit

Texas @ Austin... which part of washington u from Fender im from Redmond...

By Kayg (Kayg) on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:58 pm: Edit

UF.....GO Gators!!

By Howdydoody (Howdydoody) on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:15 pm: Edit

About the Law School issue, should I just go to the easiest school I got into? The best schools I was accepted at are probably Williams, Swarthmore, Rice, Johns Hopkins, Notre Dame, Emory, Wesleyan, UMich (Honors), and WUSTL. However, my GPA will likely be lower at any one of those than at my local state university. Would I therefore have the best chance at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, or Boalt law by attending the easier school and getting the high GPA? What would the advantage of attending a tough school be in the law school admissions process? Thank you for any advice.

By Fender1 (Fender1) on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 01:25 am: Edit

North Seattle, shoreline district.

By Frank (Frank) on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 03:54 am: Edit

M I frikkin T

By Bioyuki (Bioyuki) on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 08:35 pm: Edit

Berkeley

By L76 (L76) on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:10 pm: Edit

Howdydoody, I swear I read somewhere that what undergraduate university you attended is irrelevant (although Lethalfang would argue with me on that point), so if you did choose to go to the state university, it wouldn't hurt you.

Look at Stanford Law School's page and see where the matriculants got their bachelor's degree from: http://www.law.stanford.edu/admissions/admiss.shtml

That's a lot of state schools and less-than-Ivy level schools I see there.

By Lhomme (Lhomme) on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 01:30 pm: Edit

To those of you who think the USNews rankings for business and engineering undergrad are not subjective, I would just like you to read the following:

Quote from the USNews Website:

"On this page, you'll find the U.S. News rankings of undergraduate engineering programs accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology. The rankings are based on the judgments of deans and senior faculty who rated each program they're familiar with on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished). Students who prefer a program focused on undergraduates can consult the list below of top programs at schools whose terminal degree is the bachelor's or master's. We list programs at schools that offer degrees through the doctorate as well. Research at the graduate level often influences the undergraduate curriculum, and these schools offer the widest possible range of offerings. Fifty-seven percent of those surveyed returned ratings of the first group; 55 percent did so for the second group. We also asked for the best programs in various specialties."

So as you can see, the rankings for those fields ARE subjective and in fact have a flaw the survey: only those deans and professors who cared enough to reply did so (a statistical bias favoring the extremes). Not only that, its based on these individuals' (who thoughts do carry a significant weight) opinions on the programs and doesn't include important information (average starting salary, graduation rate, job placement rate etc).

Be wary when basing your opinion significantly on these rankings.

By Lhomme (Lhomme) on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 01:31 pm: Edit

To get back on topic with this thread:

I will be matriculating at GEORGETOWN.

By Nocalguy (Nocalguy) on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 03:53 pm: Edit

CoRnElL

By Diconoclastx (Diconoclastx) on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 04:13 pm: Edit

im sure half of you guys are going to mit or princeton

By Ravi (Ravi) on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 02:22 am: Edit

thomme - By any chance are you Malayali or Orthodox . Just a wild guess as your ‘username’ is typical of them. If not my apologies

By Dream5 (Dream5) on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 05:02 am: Edit

Amherst College

WEEEEeeeeeeeeeee

By Yourlocalmayor (Yourlocalmayor) on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 11:06 am: Edit

UNC-CHAPEL HILL!!! GO TAR HEELS!

By Apguy (Apguy) on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 04:12 pm: Edit

>>what's the University of Washington<<

It's a university located in Washington. Nice detective work, eh?

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 08:36 pm: Edit

interesting

By Lhomme (Lhomme) on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 09:05 pm: Edit

Ravi: I'm not sure if you are referring to me but its Lhomme, as in L'homme, as in ghetto french you pick up in high school =D. No offense taken.

Note: In case you're curious, I'm asian and agnostic.

By ~the_Chosen~ (~the_Chosen~) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 04:57 am: Edit

CORNELL UNIVERSITY: AEM

By Ravi (Ravi) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 08:16 am: Edit

Lhomme - yes , I misread it . Thanks
i am not yet sure about Cornell or Brown. only 48 hours left

By 1214 (1214) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 02:46 pm: Edit

Ravi ... i chose brown over cornell and i am so happy i did. use ur four years to learn in a more "educationally free" atmosphere. cornell is cool ... but too big for me. that's just me though, whichever one u choose u'll do great.

By Cornellian07 (Cornellian07) on Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 07:17 pm: Edit

Ravi what's your major?

By Ravi (Ravi) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 12:53 am: Edit

Cornellian- I am planning to do Eng and Finance /Economics and want to keep Medicine as an option. I know for Eng Cornell is far better. But many other things makes me favar Brown.
1 better $$$$
2 I have some relatives in Boston and RI. I have never lived in US though a citizen. Cornell is far away .
3 Brown looks more flexible though Cornell campus was great, but someone said in winter it is as white as Artic Circle

By Buratino (Buratino) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:00 pm: Edit

tufts

By Buratino (Buratino) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:00 pm: Edit

tufts

By Mzinn (Mzinn) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:51 pm: Edit

Berkeley

My major is Economics but I'm still debating that.

By Cruelfate (Cruelfate) on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 10:40 pm: Edit

Emory

By Mitacceptee (Mitacceptee) on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:00 am: Edit

Princeton

By Lindy (Lindy) on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 03:18 am: Edit

UCLA Go Bruins

By Bjturlington (Bjturlington) on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 04:34 am: Edit

Brown...Take what I like, small school, chill kids, interdisciplinary majors and institutes. Liberal and not very preppy.

Rob.