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Got waitlisted! haha.

Kinda dissapointing, but I got accepted to USC Marshall School of Business, a much better business institution than Washington anyways! haha, maybe I'm just trying to rationalize!

By I1lmatics (I1lmatics) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 07:41 pm: Edit

ur mistaken tho..Oblin at WUSTL is one of the top business institutions in the nation.. better than USC's Marshall

By Zwieback0 (Zwieback0) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 08:56 pm: Edit

Oblin is not better than Marshall. Check US News Rankings because that is obviously what we should/are basing it on.

By I1lmatics (I1lmatics) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 09:03 pm: Edit

lol Olin is at #14 and USC is at #11 ... rankings mean nothing first off and that is the last thing we should be basing this on, WUSTL is widely regarded by many as being extremely underrated... second of all even if rankings mattered you are talking about 3 spots!


..Olin is better.. more national respect

By Erinh (Erinh) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 09:08 pm: Edit

I was waitlisted too...doesn't really matter since I already got into my first choice. I think it's because I didn't visit and WUSTL knew that I applied to some Ivies...I heard frm a student there that they only want to accept kids who really want to go there so they are less likely to accept people who applied to extremely selective schools too.

By Spacechic20 (Spacechic20) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 09:13 pm: Edit

I got into WUSTL and never visited and applied to Penn, Columbia, Harvard, and Yale. So much for that theory.

By Zwieback0 (Zwieback0) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 09:25 pm: Edit

Haha.

Lets face it, we base things on rankings.

Rankings provide a comprehensive overview of institution's strengths and weakenesses. Ranking mean something. You can't disagree that Harvard is better institution than Wake Forest. (Assuming we are basing it on educational aspects!)

The fact is, you said Olin is a better business school than Marshall, and this assumption is incorrect. Although Olin may only be three spots behind Marshall, it is nevertheless behind! Numbers speak for themselves...the peer assessement score.

"National respect" is HIGHLY biased. I.E. I say USC has more national respect.

In addition, you said that WUSTL is "extremely underrated," yet there seems to be so much "national respect" for its business institution? Hmmm...

By I1lmatics (I1lmatics) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 09:37 pm: Edit

IT is underrated in the rankings.. which are pointless


"The fact is, you said Olin is a better business school than Marshall, and this assumption is incorrect. Although Olin may only be three spots behind Marshall, it is nevertheless behind! Numbers speak for themselves...the peer assessement score. "

so you are basing your whole argument, that Marshall is better than Olin, on the mere fact this it is ranked 3 spots higher by some marketing tool used by a company for profit??

...no comment not worth even engaging in a debate with you, when your knowledge becomes more in depth than "3 ranking spots".. we will talk

By Daonesteven (Daonesteven) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 09:49 pm: Edit

it's wrong to assume that Marshall is better than Olin, especially when they're only 3 spots apart. They're both great school, it's just that WUSTL is regarded as a higher level of institution, parallel to or even exceeding ivies

By I1lmatics (I1lmatics) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 10:07 pm: Edit

exactly... middle america accounts for a large portion of this country... WUSTL is their ivy

By I1lmatics (I1lmatics) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 10:13 pm: Edit

where as if you look to the west coast... Standford would be its "ivy" ..followed by some UC's .. USC isnt even that highly regarded in its own region.. you tell me how it has more national respect than WUSTL

By Efilsiertaeht (Efilsiertaeht) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 10:27 pm: Edit

Actually I1, USC right now is EXTREMELY high in demand in CA... this year huge huge huge numbers of people want to go to USC, and it's cutting back it's class so it can be more competitive... which feeds into the competition... USC is doing it's best to become one of the top 5 schools in CA

By I1lmatics (I1lmatics) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 10:35 pm: Edit

right i don't doubt that it has capability to being one of the top 5 schools in CA .. it's probably already close to if not in the top 5... however if the OP is going to say it is better than WUSTL... that's not going to cut it for me unless USC is the premeire school of the west coast, which it isnt
... it still is a great school though don't get me wrong, i'm going to NYU next year and if distance was not an issue i'd probably rather go to USC just becuase it has such a beautiful campus.

By Zwieback0 (Zwieback0) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 11:00 pm: Edit

If we are talking about the overall school, WUSTL is no doubt a better institution.

But I'm not talking about the school's overall performance. Instead I'm concentrating on their business schools.

Marketing tool or not, it is one of the main tools people respect and use when ranking is an important aspect of selecting a potential university to attend. Although subjective, U.S. News did not pull this out of their but... they did their homework.

By I1lmatics (I1lmatics) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 11:29 pm: Edit

so to sum up your whole argument..usc's marshall is better because it is 3 spots higher than Olin

...some people take rankings way way too literally

..I can see if they are used a basic general tool, like obviously there will be some difference in education from a school ranked say 15 versues a school ranked 79 .... but 11 vs 14? (espeically on soley undergrad bus rankings.. something US News has been known to be very controversial on in the past.. comon now)

Go back to what was previously stated.. WUSTL is regarded as a higher level institute.. right next to the ives.. it is middle america's ivy ...USC's Marshall is not even the best business school in california
... don't talk about national respect

By Pdragon17 (Pdragon17) on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 12:34 am: Edit

You are just upset that you were rejected from Wash U! You even stated that you were trying to rationalize your rejection above!

By Zwieback0 (Zwieback0) on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 01:39 am: Edit

It would have been nice to be accepted, no doubt.

Yah, no need to argue. I understand that #14 and #11 is not a substantial difference, but I still consider it. Give or take, I'll agree both places are probably equally competitive in the business field.

As I stated above, yes, Wash U has much more "respect" for their overall institution, but I am unsure where Olin stands specifically. Marshall is well known/repected.

By Chasgoose (Chasgoose) on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 02:01 am: Edit

All you people arguing about the relative prestige of schools are stupid. The vast majority of the American populace does not care about the vagaries of the elite college rankings. The average American citizen is only going to be impressed by HYP and maybe MIT and Stanford. I am not saying that you are worthless if you don't go to the above places, I am just saying that all your talk about "national respect" doesn't apply to anything except those schools. People in the know, such as grad schools and employers, will know that certain schools are better than others, but they are not going to care one bit about the difference that those 3 spots in the ranking will make.

I also have some comments about the rankings for Zwieback. The USNEWS rankings are notoriously volatile in small increments. While schools stay in the same general vicinity, it is not uncommon to find schools rising 3 or 4 spots or dropping 3 or 4 in the rankings year-to-year. Also, the rankings you are citing are for the graduate programs not the undergraduate programs. No one really cares where you attend undergraduate business school (actually no one really cares if you attend undergraduate business school, but that is for another time and another place). In today's job market you have to get an MBA anyways and your employer will not really care what undergrad school you attended unless he/she has some kind of personal connection with your alma mater or it is one of the schools I listed above.

By Transcriber (Transcriber) on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 08:26 am: Edit

A friend of our family actually graduated from Wash U and went on to graduate study and then to the workplace, and though the "vast majority of the American populace" does not care about the vagaries of the elite college rankings and many of them may not have heard of Wash U or know much about it, he says that his colleagues hold the institution in high esteem. It may not be HYP but in his field the name Washington University earns enormous respect - and that's what really matters.

By Travism (Travism) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit

Does anyone know how many people are waitlisted at WUSTL? How many people are then admitted from that waitlist?