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read it : http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/compreview/mooresreport.pdf

By Abyss (Abyss) on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

lol not exactly ;)

By Kluge (Kluge) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 01:45 pm: Edit

Let's see, so if every applicant with a sub-1200 SAT1 was denied admission, regardless of GPA, SAT2 scores, and every other relevant admissions criteria, then there still wouldn't have been enough room to offer admission to a thousand or so 1400+ SAT1 applicant. And the point is...?
Oh, and by the way, if you want to see a world-class example of intellectual dishonesty, read the "disclaimer" on page 7.

By Darussian (Darussian) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 02:05 pm: Edit

what the hell? i would have applied there if I knew my stats might have had a chance (high gpa and low sat.)

By Darussian (Darussian) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 02:18 pm: Edit

btw, cal has got a whole lot of athletes.

By Bakedfrozen (Bakedfrozen) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 02:55 pm: Edit

here's the disclaimer. i don't see what's so wrong with it. it's on the u of c website.

This Report is intended to be long on data and short on conclusions. Since the draft of the
Preliminary Report was disclosed in the media, some have asserted that the SAT is an
inappropriate focus of any analysis. This Preliminary Report includes descriptive statistics for
the UC Berkeley freshman class and does not offer any guidance as to the appropriateness of
the use of GPAs, SAT scores and demographic information to identify the best applicants for
UC Berkeley.
Rather, this Preliminary Report has identified seeming incongruities in academic performance
data among applicants and enrollees. This data – GPAs and college entrance exam scores –
are traditional components on the university admission process across America and at the
University of California. It is difficult to imagine replacing these measures with a reasonable
substitute.
The factors in the UC Eligibility Index remain GPAs and SAT score.35 While good evidence
exists of a strong correlation between SAT I scores and SAT II scores, a detailed analysis the
SAT relationship will be included in the more exhaustive study to be undertaken by the
University.
This Preliminary Report should not be regarded as the official view of the University of
California or of the UC Regents. Rather, the document is based upon data supplied by the
University and is intended to be followed by further study. The preparation, printing and
distribution of this Preliminary Report were not paid for by The University of California.

By Kluge (Kluge) on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 04:10 pm: Edit

So, Bakedfrozen, you don't see any problem with a report which claims that it "does not offer any guidance as to the appropriateness of the use of GPAs, SAT scores and demographic information to identify the best applicants for UC Berkeley" while highlighting - literally - the number of 1400+ SAT1 score recipients, and counting every admittee with a SAT1 score that's lower that 1000, and includes the statement:
"This data – GPAs and college entrance exam scores – are traditional components on [sic] the university admission process across America and at the University of California. It is difficult to imagine replacing these measures with a reasonable substitute."
And don't be fooled by the reference to GPA's - the average GPA of the admitted, "low-SAT1" group was 3.9; the average GPA of the non-admitted "high-SAT1" group was a whopping 4.0. (See the charts on page 2 and do the math yourself.)
It's all about SAT1's, and the failure to follow a lockstep admit-by-SAT1 score approach to admissions. The claim that the report is not an attempt to "offer any guidance" is a piece of stunningly brazen intellectual dishonesty. Of course, that's SOP these days, but at a state University we get to point out the lack of ethical clothing on the Emperor.

Oh, and Darussian - don't kick yourself. 82% of the applicants with your SAT1's were rejected, and the few who were admitted with your SAT scores had an average GPA that was significantly higher than yours. Don't sweat it - there's lots of terrific colleges out there for you, including some of the other UC's. (And yeah, I, too, suspect that a significant number of the "low SAT1" admittees probably have other, ahem, physical attributes which don't show up in SATs and GPAs.)