What is a urm?





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By Ethansele (Ethansele) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 04:16 pm: Edit

what is a urm? Like if im asian i am considered a urm.

By Serene (Serene) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 04:17 pm: Edit

no. Asians are quite over-represented in fact *_*

By Winterfresh (Winterfresh) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 04:19 pm: Edit

Under Represented Minority

or something like that, but i could be wrong. i think it only applies to african-americans and hispanics.

By Amylase (Amylase) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 06:36 pm: Edit

But in this country, asians take up only about 5% of total population, and African & Hispanics each is around %10 or more.

How can asian not be urm?

By Firedup17 (Firedup17) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 07:36 pm: Edit

"How can asian not be urm?"

Asian students are over-represented in colleges and universities.

By Covalentbond007 (Covalentbond007) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 08:54 pm: Edit

URM is a government protected social welfare group defined by race.

In college admissions Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Main Island Puerto Ricans are URMs. Universities lower tranditional admissions standards like GPA/SAT by whatever amount is necessary in order to achieve a "criticial mass" of the particular URM racial group.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 09:06 pm: Edit

URM's also include Native Americans, the rarest of the three.

The URM/AA factor is generally w-a-a-a-a-y overestimated in discussions. Look at the admissions profiles for minority status to begin with and then figure that a fair amount of those would have gotten in to Whatever U. to begin with.

Total combined African American/Hispanic enrollment at the top schools is generally around 11-14 percent compared to somewhere around 25 percent of the national population; Asian enrollment is around 15-19 percent compared to something in the range of 5(8?) percent of the population. Native American is less than 1 percent, so it has negligible bearing.

Combined African American/Hispanic enrollment plunges below the top schools...JHU has 6 percent, UMass-Amherst has 7 percent, UC San Diego 4 percent.

Schools with higher percentages of URM's include Swarthmore, Stanford, and Tufts. UCLA is 39 percent Asian, 15 percent Hispanic, and 4 percent African American.

By Ethansele (Ethansele) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:18 pm: Edit

ok thanks i just keep hearing it around forums

By Xiggi (Xiggi) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:29 pm: Edit

TheDad~

Watch out for Shadeem ... Better get the protective gear out.

On a serious note, that was the best presentation of AA/URM. Succinct and accurate. Cool!

A lot better than URM is a government protected social welfare group defined by race.

By Daveb (Daveb) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 07:21 am: Edit

Here's a URM who got into 31 colleges:

http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_1987448,00.html

By Covalentbond007 (Covalentbond007) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 03:37 am: Edit

Thedad is correct in the sense that URM status is overestimated in the cause of rejection. However, most of these students are not angry because they "lost a slot", they are angry because their race was used against them. After all, no one likes to be discriminated on the basis of their race.

By no means is the effect of URM status is overestimated. For example, at UM's law school, you are almost guaranteed admissions if you are a URM in the 30th percentile whereas you have to be in the 80th percentile to achieve similar acceptance rates if you are not in one of these favored racial groups.
http://www.debatingracialpreference.org/GRUTTER-Rates.htm

All in all, URM status helps creates a two track admissions system. A URM admissions and a regular admissions.


Interesting link. She must be in the top 99.9% of all URM applicants to get all of those acceptances.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 12:10 pm: Edit

Yes, and URM's and their families have had race used systematically against them through the present day.

The effect of URM status *is* overstated in terms of the number of people affected...from all the venting, you'd think that campuses were overrun with URM's and it was hard to find a Caucasian student. LOL.

Students who are legacies and thus benefit are overwhelmingly Caucasian. Students who are wealthy and thus accrue benefits including everything from private prep schools to tutoring and who by correlation have on-top-of-it parents to assist in the process are overwhelmingly Caucasian. These are demographic structural facts that disproportionately favor non-URM's...use of URM status as a factor only partially balances out the scales.

By Covalentbond007 (Covalentbond007) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 02:12 pm: Edit

The US certainly systemically violated the rights of blacks before the civil rights act of 1964. What systematic violation of blacks' civil rights today would justify the systemic violation of the non-favored racial groups' civil rights?

Well, we reserve 10% of the incoming seats for blacks (in order to achieve critical mass). Do you consider that a large effect? In an incoming class of 1000, that is 100 seats reserved for blacks. Of course, there all some who argue that it does not matter if one person or 1,000 people have their civil rights violated. After all, our laws and Constitution protect individuals, not members of racial groups.

The URMs who benefit from Affirmative Action are overwhelmingly wealthy. After all, a rich black student is scoring lower on average on the SAT than a poor white student.

Thedad, I support a form of Affirmative Action. I hope you will join in my support. It is called Voluntary Affirmative Action. The "critical mass" quota will be taken from an applicant pool that supports Affirmative Action rather than from the general applicant pool. Surely if the "number of people affected" by AA is so small, the people who support AA will gladly bear the burden of this program?

By Xiggi (Xiggi) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 04:33 pm: Edit


Quote:

The URMs who benefit from Affirmative Action are overwhelmingly wealthy. After all, a rich black student is scoring lower on average on the SAT than a poor white student.




I am afraid that you lost all credibility with that statement!

By Orangeclock (Orangeclock) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 04:38 pm: Edit

"In 1997 black high school seniors from families with annual incomes between $70,000 and $80,000 scored an average of 472 on the verbal component of the SAT, compared to an average of 487 for whites from families whose income was less than $10,000 per year."

That quote is from this very liberal media organziation: "http://www.prospect.org/print/V9/41/jencks-c.html". Check it out for yourself.


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