|By Ethansele (Ethansele) on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 11:39 am: Edit|
only Affrimative action only counts for public colleges since they get money from the gov and private colleges such as usc and ivies dont right?
|By Drusba (Drusba) on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 11:48 am: Edit|
Actually, some form of AA, like favorable weighting factors, is more prevalent in private colleges than publics. Also, contrary to what you might believe, private colleges get huge amounts from the government such as research grants and federal student loan guarantees.
|By Ethansele (Ethansele) on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:50 pm: Edit|
yeah, but if a state rules AA out private colleges dont have to follow those rules right? For instance in california there is no AA, so does that mean usc doesnt have to follow that rule right?
|By Drusba (Drusba) on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:59 pm: Edit|
You are correct that USC does not have to follow the proposition that ruled out race as a consideration. You are incorrect to assume that AA is not a factor in state California schools because of the proposition. It just shows up in some different, albeit not pure, forms, like considering your area of residence, family income, or even their accepting a certain percentage of high ranked students from any high school, including inner-city. In other words, consideration of race may be outlawed but colleges find ways to get around that by doing things they don't call "race" based.
|By Divingin (Divingin) on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 05:45 am: Edit|
private schools can do whatever they want as they're not federally funded.
|By Drusba (Drusba) on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 10:18 am: Edit|
That is a misconception. If the private school receives no federal funds at all then it would not have to follow a number of federal rules and guidelines on many issues. However, such a school does not exist. If they receive any federal funding like research grants, federally guaranteed student loans for their students (in other words all of the private schools), then they will be required to follow any rules or guidelines that the federal government creates for colleges(or otherwise face withdrawal of all federal funding and student loan guarantees).
|By Chrisy (Chrisy) on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 11:51 am: Edit|
No, affirmative action does apply to private schools. But asians don't get any.
|By Lethalfang (Lethalfang) on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:38 am: Edit|
Isn't affirmative action a state thing? Otherwise, how can california outlaw it in their public school system?
|By Drusba (Drusba) on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 12:17 pm: Edit|
There is no federal law dictating that affirmative action must be used in college admissions. There is only the law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of race. To the same extent there are no state laws dictating that affirmative action must be used in college admissions -- just similar anti-discrimination laws. It's genesis goes back to court cases and laws (no longer in existence as true "affirmative action") that dealt with civil rights violations in the 1950's to 1970's, when courts were basically saying that you needed to favor minorities to overcome prior discriminatory practices. In other words, particularly for colleges, it is a process that evolved based mainly on cases and laws that did not expressly deal with colleges. In its current forms (where most colleges consider race as a factor to justify the need for "diversity"), it is really something created by the schools themselves and often, at least verbally, supported by state or local governements and at times federal agencies.
|By Mike (Mike) on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 12:30 pm: Edit|
In search of diversity there are many factors that go into a private schools weighting of applicants. Race, culture, rural vs urban, legacy, geography, non academic skills, activities, MONEY, among others. People tend to see it as just a race issue and that is very untrue. SATs and GPAs are not the only factors that go into admission no matter what your skin color.
|By Congocross (Congocross) on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:17 pm: Edit|
If the Supreme Court rules out AA, then it will be come unconstitutional. That means, at least to my understanding, law for everyone in the country.
|By Mike (Mike) on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:54 pm: Edit|
That means there can be no use of anything obvious. diversity will continue in the private sector
|By Andromeda65 (Andromeda65) on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 05:38 pm: Edit|
don't forget- race based affirmative action is only one form of many, and, incidently, the only form being sought out for elimination....
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