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CONTINUED FROM PART 14.

We just keep going and going and going and going...

Shauna

By Shauna (Shauna) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 01:27 pm: Edit

While I'm posting, I thought I'd mention a great audition book. "Next! Auditioning for the Musical Theatre" by Steven M. Alper is a great book. It is funny and very useful. (I tried posting this awhile ago but it didn't work for some reason.)

Shauna

By Wct (Wct) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 02:24 pm: Edit

Someone posted in part 14 about wanting info about U of Arizona's MT program. I too would be interested in getting information. Please post if you know anything.
I think I read somewhere that they have a good program.

By Jrmom (Jrmom) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 02:36 pm: Edit

Does anyone know of schools other than SYRACUSE where one can be admitted to BFA Acting and then re-audition during the first year to switch to BFA MT?

By Jrmom (Jrmom) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 02:41 pm: Edit

Someone should plot the amount of time it takes to fill up an MT thread vs time. Only one week to get to 143 messages on the last one, Part 14! wow.

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 03:09 pm: Edit

HI! MOM OF A JR. HERE ON THE WEST COAST JUST STARTING THIS PROCESS. HAS ANYONE EVER COMPILED A LIST OF MT SCHOOLS THAT HAVE EARLY DECISION OR EARLY ACTION? ALSO, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN DECISIONS ARE SENT OUT BY C.M. FOR THEIR SUMMER SESSION OR SHOULD WE HAVE A BACK-UP PLAN FOR A SUMMER PROGRAM?

By Mtmommy (Mtmommy) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 03:36 pm: Edit

U of AZ has been mentioned before on this board. They do not have a senior showcase in NY (or in LA). They do bring "industry types" in to talk to the kids. I have no first hand knowledge, but a member of my family said acting seems to be stronger than voice. I guess the acting is very strong. Their theatre BA freshmen are allowed to audition for BFA acting or MT at the end of freshman year, I think, but then the website ALSO says that incoming students should audition for MT. It's very confusing. In general, dance looks very strong at UAz.
Arizona state in Tempe also has an MT program. That one is part of the music department and seems more classically based.

By Onstage (Onstage) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 05:59 pm: Edit

Just wondering if anyone has info in the programs at SUNY New Paltz and SUNY Purchase? I have heard they both have strong theater programs but am not sure if they offer MT.

By Teatro (Teatro) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 06:09 pm: Edit

Would like some information about Catholic Un. How many students do they take? Is it a good program?

By Jrmom (Jrmom) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 07:40 pm: Edit

SUNY Purchase has acting but no MT.

By Ilmomsk (Ilmomsk) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 08:40 pm: Edit

Still looking at the midwest one last time! Does anyone know anything about Ohio Northern's MT program?

By Wct (Wct) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 08:56 pm: Edit

Jrmom-

Caitie531 might be able to comment on this too, but I know that this year CMU gave the opportunity to BFA Acting and BFA MT students a chance to audition for the other option a few weeks after the fall semester started. The catch was that someone from MT would have to switch to Acting and one to MT at the same time so you weren't guaranteed that it would work out. I know that is the only time they offered that possibility. My son considered it but decided against doing it.

By Malloryr (Malloryr) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 09:25 pm: Edit

University of Arizona does have a very strong dance program...a lot of my friends from National Dance Alliance(NDA) staff dance there, love it, and are INCREDIBLE! Not sure how much importance MT puts on dance, but if it's linked at all to their dance program, then you'd be in good shape if strong dance is what you're looking for!

By Noccadad (Noccadad) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 09:56 pm: Edit

Shauna, Thanks for the additional info we will take all the rec's we can get. To all...

sophomore D accepted to CMU pre-college in MT this week, this makes acceptance at summer for CCY, Syra, and CMU, wait listed Tisch, Summer MT at CAP21 and we will be sure to post our choice and experience at the appropriate time. All I can say to this group is THANK YOU!
To Dr. John, thank you laddie for your guidance earlier in the season. After all this research and application, I am convinced that it is all about the training wherever it may occur ( there are several excellent opportunities out there at all price ranges)and not the specific program!
We look forward to the continuation of the connections established here over the coming months, you folks are an inspiration and much appreciated!

By Jrmom (Jrmom) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 07:04 am: Edit

From time to time people ask about SUNY campuses that offer MT. Here is what I've come up with (hope this summary isn't too long).

In short,
SUNY Buffalo - BFA MT
SUNY Fredonia - BFA MT
SUNY New Paltz - BA/BS Theatre Arts, can concentrate in Performance studies, which includes MT)
SUNY Geneseo - BA MT

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SUNY New Paltz (www.newpaltz.edu)
Students earning a B. A. or B. S. in Theatre Arts will receive a varied, rich experience in theatre practice, along with studies in history, theory, and performance. There is no difference within the Theatre Arts program between the B. A. or B. S. degree; this distinction is made based upon the total number of Liberal Arts credits a student earns within the 120 credits required for graduation from the college (90 required for a B. A., 60 for a B. S.). A student may elect to concentrate in Performance Studies (Acting, Directing, Musical Theatre) or Design/ Technical Studies. As students develop and grow within the program, they may audition and/ or interview for entry into advanced, pre-professional courses, which are available in all areas.
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SUNY Geneseo (www.geneseo.edu)
Bachelor of Arts in Musical Theatre
Admission to this interdisciplinary major is by audition. Applicants should audition for the Option (dance, acting, voice) of their primary strength. The School of Performing Arts is looking for exceptional talent and preparation in the area of your option, proficiency in a second area, and at least an aptitude for the third area. Please submit a rŽsumŽ at the time of the audition.

Total Credits in Major required for graduation: 45
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UNIVERSITY AT BUFFALO, SUNY (www.buffalo.edu)
Majors:
» BA:
» »Theatre
» »Dance
» BFA:
» »Theatre
» »Dance
» »Music Theatre
» Students planning on majoring in theater and dance must satisfy an audition requirement in order to be admitted to the major.
Here at the University at Buffalo we strive to train the true "triple
threat", and your program encompasses courses from three disciplines: theatre, dance and music. Our goal is to create the well-rounded professional who is able to succeed in an increasingly competitive and exciting field.
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SUNY FREDONIA (www.fredonia.edu)
Musical Theatre: Bachelor of Fine Arts
• Theatre Track
• Dance Track
• Music Track
The Department of Theatre and Dance and School of Music jointly offer study leading to the Bachelor of Fine Arts in Musical Theatre degree. This program is limited to those students who demonstrate excellence in acting, dance and singing and who are firmly committed to professional careers in musical theatre performance.
The Musical Theatre degree is accredited by the National Associations of the Schools of Music and the National Association of Schools of Theatre.

By Doctorjohn (Doctorjohn) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 09:51 am: Edit

Ilmomsk:

The MT program at Ohio Northern has been around for awhile, but has until recently lacked strong leadership. This year they hired Robert Behrens, an exceptional actor and director from Columbus, to head the program. Robert has taught combat for us for many years, and did the fight choreography for our WEST SIDE STORY, among others. He's a gifted teacher. I'd recommend taking a look at the program, and writing directly to Robert. His e-mail address is available at www.onu.edu.

By Monkey (Monkey) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 12:25 pm: Edit

Doctorjohn,
I wanted to take a moment and thank you for all you have contributed to the information and discussion on this board. Both on this thread and through responding to private e mail, you have gone above and beyond in your helpfulness and insight in the area of theatre instruction. You know, we had not heard about Otterbein when my daughter was selecting schools. If I had been reading this board and had knowledge of your program we most certainly would have put Otterbein on the list to seriously consider. I am convinced that the greatest value a student can get from any program is delivered through the quality and dedication of the teachers they work with so closely. Surely your students are getting the very best from you and your faculty. I think it is so gracious of you to be willing to share so much of what you have learned from being a director of a college theatre program. Anyone just beginning the school search process would be mistaken not to audition at your school.

By Noccadad (Noccadad) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 12:37 pm: Edit

Catsmom, I had to call to find out about CMU pre-college summer program due to the need to make a decision by certain dates required by other summer programs. They were tremendously helpful and understanding as well as went and pulled D's chart to let us know where it stood. I say call them to hel solidify your planning.

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 05:09 pm: Edit

Hey everyone!

Hope the decision process is winding down for everyone. For those of you who aren't quite there yet, hang in there. One week from now you won't believe how good it feels to be on the other side!!!!!!!!!!

My sweet D, who turns 18 today, has her last high school choir concert tonight. Not exactly how she would prefer to spend her birthday but the entire choir surprised her last night with a lovely celebration right in the middle of the final rehearsal - a birthday cake, balloons - a wonderful and totally unexpected gift.

She's been getting lots of info from the MT dept at Michigan - correspondence, emails from the admissions director and the Chair of the department. They are doing such a great job of making the incoming freshmen feel soooo wanted and part of the program already. They even invited us to the senior showcase! They will perform it for the first time at school next weekend, where we cannot go, but we will attend the actual showcase in New York on Thursday May 13. They will do two shows that day and we will see the earlier of the two. We are all so excited to see what these kids can do. Of course I'll report back on what we see. I'll try my best to be objective, but I have to confess that right now I am so in love with this program, I'm seeing everything thru rose-colored glasses.

Can't wait to hear what everyone's final decisions are!! Congrats to the MT class of 2008!

By Soozievt (Soozievt) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 05:53 pm: Edit

Theatermom, I feel your excitement! Well, I have a senior as well and while she is not going for a college musical theater program (though has done a bunch in this area), I am going to say that she has finally decided where to go ! We just went to some open houses at some of the schools she was deciding between and she made her mind up at one of the events. She is going to Brown University! So, I know a bit how you feel!

My younger one will be applying to colleges for musical theater next fall. I was to have gone with her to visit Emerson and Boston Conservatory, leaving tomorrow (as if I have not had enough college trips in the last week!), but at the last moment, we found out that her school trip to Italy and Greece is returning later than we were told originally and she will not be back til past midnight tomorrow night and we have had to cancel her trips to Emerson and BOCO. At this point, with college semesters ending shortly and my own daughter's dance performance and rehearsal schedules in the next couple weeks, we cannot fit in any visits. She will have to wait til September. I know she will want to fly out to UMich then and we will make it happen. When that time comes, I will talk to you! She does have one summer theater friend who is a freshman there right now for MT.

So, I am done with one and now onto the next! I would love to hear how the showcase is when you go!

Susan

By Gkoukla (Gkoukla) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 07:11 pm: Edit

Theatermom: We've been impressed with the communication between UMICH and our D as well! Brent Wagner is such a good person about staying in touch. Enjoy the showcase! We'll see it here in MI. How exciting for you to be able to go to NYC to see it. I will look forward to your impressions when you return. The freshmen this year did their very own showcase, and we heard it was wonderful! D went to Jesus Christ Superstar last weekend at UMICH and it's now her favorite show. She was so excited when she came home, and is still talking about the performance a week later. Are you going to orientation? I think I might only go for a day trip.

By Mtmomtok (Mtmomtok) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 08:04 pm: Edit

Theatermom

I am interested in knowing where the show on May 13 in NY will be. I've looked on their website and I see nothing listed. Can anyone attend?

By Wct (Wct) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 09:55 pm: Edit

The CMU seniors will be showcasing in LA soon and I wondered if anyone who wanted could go watch the show. I felt a little strange calling th school and asking. It is at a hotel in Beverly Hills I believe. I hear this group of seniors are phenomenal and I would love to see them perform.

By Doctorjohn (Doctorjohn) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:10 pm: Edit

Monkey:

Thanks very much for the kind words. We try to be good teachers and to "encourage young things to grow," as Thornton Wilder once said. I wrote some months ago that I wouldn't advertise our department. But as a reference point for comparing programs, people might be interested in our mission statement:

"In our desire to develop theatre artists and artisans of the highest ability, the Department of Theatre and Dance... provides a select number of undergraduate students with the training, education and experiences necessary for the successful pursuit of careers in the American professional theatre. In support of the liberal arts goals of the College, we also seek to provide students with the knowledge and skills necessary to live full, rewarding and productive lives. Since artists bring who they are to what they do, the deep understanding of oneself and others, as well as those who have lived in other times and other places, is essential in order to create works of theatre which are compelling and entertaining. Through the Bachelor of Fine Arts and Bachelor of Arts degree programs and the Integrative Studies program, [we] undertake to develop and graduate theatre artists who are sensitive and aware human beings. Through its public performances, one of the primary tools of training, the department also serves as an important cultural resource for the College, the local community, and the entire Columbus and central Ohio region."

"In order to carry out our mission, we employ a faculty and staff of experienced, professional artist-teachers and guest professional artists who work intensively with students in production and in the classroom. In all that we do, we strive to create and maintain the supportive professional environment necessary for the continued growth and development of our students."

I did a fairly long explication of this statement for our National Association of Schools of Theatre accreditation last year. If anyone is interested, I'll e-mail it to you directly; it's too long to post on this site. Write to me at my e-mail address.

Most programs have mission statements like this, although they're usually not posted on websites or included in brochures. But they may be useful in understanding what drives programs in certain directions and guides their decision-making processes. Prospective students might want to ask.

Thanks again.

doctorjohn

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:17 pm: Edit

WCT - I WOULD LOVE TO GO SEE THE CMU SENIORS SHOWCASING IN L.A. PLEASE POST WHERE AND WHEN IF YOU KNOW. THANKS

By Doctorjohn (Doctorjohn) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:19 pm: Edit

Wct:

About the CMU showcase in LA, go ahead and call the department and ask. The performance for the agents is likely to be closed, because the agents have work to do, and really don't like to feel they are part of an audience. But if CMU is doing a dress rehearsal, they may open that to others. At ours in NYC (which we share we Northwestern, Baldwin-Wallace, and CCM's Drama program), we do an open "brush-up" on the second day when the students get to see each other, and friends and alumni and parents are invited. So call and ask. No one will be offended.

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:20 pm: Edit

NOCCADAD - THANKS FOR THE CMU PRE-COLLEGE PROGRAM INFO - I WILL CALL NEXT WEEK.

By Wct (Wct) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:50 pm: Edit

Thanks Doctorjohn-

I sent an email directly to the CMU alumni organization that is organizing the two shows in LA. I'll let everyone know the outcome when I hear back.

Catsmom- I'll let you know when I hear back. If we both go it would be great to meet up.

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:45 pm: Edit

SORRY FOR THE DUPLICATE POST!! - THE SECOND ONE IS "CORRECT"

I'm afraid that the UM showcase is not open to the public. There are no "tickets" per se, just invited guests. What DoctorJohn has said makes a lot of sense - this really is an important work session for agents and other industry types. We've only been invited because us we can't make it to Michigan to see the "practice" performance given the distance and expense associated with traveling to Ann Arbor. They are being quite generous in allowing us to see the actual showcase in NY which is only about 2 hours away for us. I'm sure we will slip in and out and try to be quiet as mice and as unobtrusive as possible.

Gkoukla: you'll see the showcase two weeks before we will so let me know what you think. I am definitely accompanying my D to orientation (I'm doing the concurrent parent orientation) We will definitely meet if you come - please do! I think our D's have already emailed each other and I think they have so much in common. Every time she gets a letter or email from UM or when she had to log on to their website to register for orientation and choose her email name and they know who she is, I get excited all over again - they really did accept her - it's not a mistake or a dream! See you in June, I hope.

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:48 pm: Edit

I'm afraid that the UM showcase is not open to the public. There are no "tickets" per se, just invited guests, including the incoming freshman MT's. What DoctorJohn has said makes a lot of sense - this really is an important work session for agents and other industry types. We've only been invited because we can't make it to Michigan to see the "practice" performance given the distance and expense associated with traveling to Ann Arbor. They are being quite generous in allowing us to see the actual showcase in NY which is only about 2 hours away for us. I'm sure we will slip in and out and try to be quiet as mice and as unobtrusive as possible.

Gkoukla: you'll see the showcase two weeks before we will so let me know what you think. I am definitely accompanying my D to orientation (I'm doing the concurrent parent orientation) We will definitely meet if you come - please do! I think our D's have already emailed each other and I think they have so much in common. Every time she gets a letter or email from UM or when she had to log on to their website to register for orientation and choose her email name and it's clear that they know who she is, I get excited all over again - they really did accept her - it's not a mistake or a dream! See you in June, I hope.

By Gkoukla (Gkoukla) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 01:31 pm: Edit

Theatermom: We just found out that we can't make the showcase here in MI on May 2. D is in a vocal competition in Detroit. Everything happens all at once. So you have to let us know how it is in NYC. D wants to know what date did you come to audition at UMICH? We were there Jan 16 and Jan 30. As far as orientation is concerned, D doesn't want us around! I am still going to drive down for the day, I am sure. Hope to meet you then.

By Wct (Wct) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 01:47 pm: Edit

Gkoukla-
Make sure you go to the parent part of orientation at UMICH. I wouldn't have missed the one at CMU for anything!

By Doctorjohn (Doctorjohn) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:26 pm: Edit

Wct:

I'm curious. What does Michigan do at parents' orientation?

By Wct (Wct) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 10:03 pm: Edit

Doctorjohn,

I don't know what the "orientation" is like for parents at the University of Michigan. Maybe my post was misunderstood. I went to the accepted students weekend (students/parents at CMU). I thought that most colleges had them and I think it is important for parents to attend. It was a great way to find out how the college worked and to get questions answered. This took place in April soon after acceptance letters went out. Then there was family weekend in the Fall (October) where parents had the opportunity to meet faculty, see the facilities (more in depth), learn more about the college experience within the students major, etc.

Parents were not allowed during Orientation week at CMU in August (prior to classes starting in the Fall). Parents are with students to help them move in, etc. but the college states that Orientation,(week long activities)is for students only, as I am sure it is the case at most colleges.

Hope this post makes more sense. I guess I wasn't clear regarding the word "Orientation" for parents.

By Shauna (Shauna) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 12:06 am: Edit

At UNT, there is a simultaneous parent/student orientation. The parents and students see each other only occasionally. All placement testing for the students occurs at orientation. I don't know if that's standard procedure at colleges or not, but I thought it was interesting.

Shauna

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 12:50 am: Edit

Doctorjohn,

I can tell you what I know at this point about Michigan orientation. I'll be able to tell you more after I actually attend it with my daughter in June.

Michigan holds orientation sessions throughout the summer for all incoming students along with separate but concurrently run parent orientations. There are several choices of when to attend for most students; however, given the small number of incoming MT's, there is only one date available for them so they will all attend together. This year it will take place from June 22-24. The first day and a half for the kids is the general University orientation. Parents also have their orientation at this time. They are very clear that the programs are separate and that if parents attend orientation (it is not mandatory for parents) they need to respect the boundaries. Parents have general University orientation the first day and then a half day in the morning of the next day with the MT faculty. The parents are done after that day and a half while the MT's will then go on to their departmental orientation beginning in the afternoon of the second day. As Shauna posted about UNT, Michigan also does all placement testing for MT's at this time (for them I believe the only test is a language placement exam. They were all tested for music theory and piano placement at the time of their audition.) They will also meet with the MT faculty to discuss their first semester schedules and by the time they leave, sometime by the afternoon of the third day, they will have already registered for classes and be able to buy books and use the summer to get a head start on the fall semester reading if they choose. They will spend the evenings with other students and also some current upperclass MT's who are invited to participate in the orientation.

Given the size of UM, I think this method of conducting orientation makes a lot of sense. There will be a lot less anxiety over the summer and I think the kids will be able to hit the ground running with confidence come September.

Hope this bit of information helps. I'll be happy to report back after we've been through the actual process.

And as long as I'm directing this answer to you, Doctorjohn, I'd like to add my thanks for everything you've contributed to our discussion. For someone in your position to take the time to participate in this dialogue and in several cases do independent research in order to answer our questions, really goes above and beyond. As has been noted, it speaks volumes to the kind of care and attention provided to students lucky enough to be accepted to your program. I also think your mission statement is right on the money. Thanks so much for all you've done for us.

By Wct (Wct) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 03:51 am: Edit

I know this is a long shot but......
if anyone was on the CMU campus Sunday 4/25 and just happened to catch a performance of a play, (a benefit performance to raise money for Senior Leagues) I'd love to know what you thought of the production. (Don't laugh Theatermom or Katiem!)

By Jrmom (Jrmom) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 10:03 am: Edit

Just by accident I found another program in MT with audition: Plymouth (NH) State University. It's a BA in Theater with Musical Theater concentration:
http://www.plymouth.edu/music/theatre/

"Music, Theatre, and Dance Department
Theatre Arts, Bachelor of Arts

Total Credits: 122

In addition to the regular requirements for admission to Plymouth State College, applicants must audition or present a portfolio to be accepted into the Acting, Music Theatre Performance or Theatrical Design/Tech Options. Requirements vary according to Option; therefore, prospective students should contact the Director of Theatre or Department Chair to receive audition guidelines and to schedule an audition."

By Act_One (Act_One) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 01:52 pm: Edit

My son is a junior in high school, so he won't be ready to enter college until Fall 2005. My wife heard that we should already be sending in applications to the MT programs our son is interested in. I think it is still early. How soon do most schools accept applications?

By Thecritic22 (Thecritic22) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 02:45 pm: Edit

Hello everyone!
I know this is a musical theatre page, but I haven't had much luck trying to find out this information from the others, so I've come to ask you: Any opions/know anyone/have any advice about NYU-Tisch for Acting (not musical theatre)?

Acting and Musical Theatre go side by side, so I'm sure someone has heard something about it. Your comments will be MUCH appreciated...may 1st is just around the corner! Thank you!

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 03:03 pm: Edit

Act One,

You still have time to relax. Most programs won't have applications ready until late summer or early fall. You can, however, call the schools you are interested in knowing more about and ask to be put on their mailing list. That way they will send out info/applications, etc. as soon as they become available. If you are really getting "utzy," try going on the websites where you'll find tons of info. You'll find online apps there for many schools in the fall as well. We did most of our applications online this year.
Good luck!

By Valerie (Valerie) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 04:43 pm: Edit

Thecritic

I had to chuckle when I read your post. I too came here looking for Theatre/Acting vs. MT info. And, it was about NYU's Tisch program too.

As everyone on this thread knows and elsewhere it's been some kind of trip for me. Program info, financial, comparing it to another program which is BA and not BFA.

What question/s do you haave in paticular? maybe I can help.

Valerie

By Thecritic22 (Thecritic22) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 08:26 pm: Edit

Thank you, Valerie! I'm just going to copy and paste what i put in another thread

One school that keeps getting mentioned, but not discussed, is NYU-Tisch. I was just accepted into the Atlantic Theatre Company for acting, but I really don't know anything about the quality of the program/school, except for "it's good" (Tisch doesn't have an open house or send out specific literature about success rates, job opportunities, and detailed program work).

I'm having a major "crisis of faith" right now because I've always LOVED the theatre and starry-eyed Tisch, but never imagined that I would get in. Now I have to choose between Tisch and Wesleyan, and it feels like I'm making a career choice (the preprofessional acting path vs. a BA in theatre at a good liberal arts colleges). However, if I go to Tisch, I want to make sure I know what I'm getting in to. So besides wanting to know all I can about Tisch Acting, some general questions.

What's the difference between a BFA and a BA?

Does going to a select preprofessional program really give you a leg up as opposed to a theatre major at a school that has good theatre (Vassar, Yale, Wesleyan)?

What other jobs can open up to people with a BFA in theatre if they go through college and decide that they want a steady job?

How well can Tisch prepare you for the world of acting if it focuses on a single method

Is it masochitic to try to double major in a Tisch setting? (with something like psychology)

Is the name a big benefit?

Sorry for the many questions and THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

By Millergjpr (Millergjpr) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 10:04 pm: Edit

My son will be going to Webster University in Musical Theater in the fall. He would like to start getting to know some other freshman musical theater students by e-mail. Anyone out there?

By Doctorjohn (Doctorjohn) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 10:46 pm: Edit

Thecritic22:

I think Laura (on the other thread you mentioned, "What are good Theatre/Music Theatre schools") has given you very good information about the Atlantic Theatre Program at Tisch. It's more detail than I've ever seen in print. I would urge you to correspond with her.

As for your question about the value of the BFA vs. the BA degree, I posted something on January 23 in this thread that may be helpful. It's in part 7, which you'll find if you go to the archives for February. (I posted in January but the conversation went into the next month.)

Although I chair a department with BFA degrees (as well as a BA), I do not believe that focussed preprofessional BFA training is essential for a career in theatre. To paraphrase what I wrote in January, there are too many people working in NY, or at Arena Stage, or at the Denver Theatre Center, or at the Mark Taper Forum in LA, who majored in English or History or Psychology or French at liberal arts colleges and state universities for anyone to be able to claim legitimately that you must train at NYU or schools like it to get work in the American theatre.

It is the right path for some students. But it is definitely wrong for others. The fact that you applied to Wesleyan in the first place tells me that you have more interests than Theatre, even if you've loved it your whole life. You need to find out if you can pursue those other interests at Tisch. Again, Laura may be able to help you.

I don't know much about Wesleyan's program, but their department chair is a well-respected lighting designer in USITT, the handbook is carefully written, and the production photographs are stunning. It suggests to me that they're doing good theatre.

As for acting training, yes, I do believe it is essential at some point in your life. But there are good studios in NY where you can study after graduation (Atlantic Theatre Company being one of them), or excellent MFA programs where you can continue your education (Tisch having one of the very best in the country).

One final thought (and I suspect many of the older readers of this thread may concur) while you can get professional training at almost any age in almost any field (look at the 50-year-olds who've gone to law school), it is very hard to make the time later in life to just read literature and philosophy and history, and to discuss it with people who are trying to figure out who they are and what they care about. It may well be that there are students like this at Atlantic. But if all they care about is theatre, and the only thing they want to talk about is acting, and you care about other things, Wesleyan may be (underline "may") a better choice.

I know you haven't got much time, but I'd urge you to write to Laura about Atlantic, and to call the Theatre Department at Wesleyan and get names of students you can talk to there. I think you'll find that one group or another will feel more "right" to you.

Best wishes from all of us.

By Volley17 (Volley17) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 11:28 pm: Edit

I'm beginning to look at some performing arts colleges, mainly NYU, for a double major in drama and another subject (probably English or political science). I want to specialize in stage management and I hope to enter the technical production track. My question is, would such double major be doable? Also, what other schools have good technical production programs?

Sorry for sort of going off topic, but I haven't found anyone who would be able to help.

By Wct (Wct) on Monday, April 26, 2004 - 11:40 pm: Edit

Volly17-

Have a look at CMU's Production Program at:
http://www.cmu.edu/cfa/drama/production/index.html

The four year curriculum is there and info about the program.

By Wct (Wct) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 12:19 am: Edit

Doctorjohn-

You may have answered this previously but I can not remember so here goes. Does anyone from your school do West Coast visits to high schools to talk about the Otterbein experience?

By Doctorjohn (Doctorjohn) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 07:35 am: Edit

Wct: I haven't, but I'd like to. Please write to me, and we'll talk.

Volley17: A double-major in Theatre and another field is quite possible, and it's even possible to emphasize stage management in such a plan. What would be difficult would be a BFA in technical theatre and a BA in another field. But if stage management is what you want, a BFA is not necessary. Since stage managers are the quintessential "middlemen" of the theatre, and are responsible for keeping the lines of communication open between everyone working on the production, a varied background is extremely helpful. I'd suggest you write to the department chair at the schools you've listed as places you're planning to apply (all have good theatre programs) and ask your questions. Some will forward your e-mail to someone else to answer; that's an appropriate response. Others may write back directly. Some may not respond at all. How they respond will tell you a great deal.

Good luck.

By Emilyp114 (Emilyp114) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:55 am: Edit

A friend has asked that I pass this info on in the communities I'm a member of so I thought I'd post it here, too. I know there have been discussions here about opportunities for non-majors to participate in theatre at the various universities. This is just one of the theatre clubs at NYU and they have a show this weekend that is supposed to be wonderful.

SCHMUTZ @ NYU proudly presents:
Twelfth Night, or What You Will
May 1 & 2 at 9 and 4 respectively
@ Eisner and Lubin Auditorium
4th Floor Kimmel Center
60 Washington Sq. N.
Free Admission!
Live music Saturday night, recorded on Sunday

From my friend:
SHMUTZ is one of the theater clubs on campus so that non-Tisch drama majors also have some theater opportunities (although, Tischies are always welcome to audition and we have a couple in this year's show). Anyway, SHMUTZ stands for "Students of Hillel's Mostly Undergraduate Theater playaZ" but is not limited at all to just Jewish people. We get our funding from the Bronfman Center, and we rehearse there. But I am not at all Jewish and I am in the current show, on the current board, and directed and choreographed last semester's show. So basically it's a good group with a bad Yiddish acronym!
www.schmutz.org


And for those discussing double majors. It's certainly possible to double major and get a BFA and a BA in another subject at NYU. I'm double majoring in drama and English/creative writing. It's not easy but it is definitely do-able. For those who have emailed me, I'll get back to you asap. It's a busy time right now so I don't get online as much as usual.

By Meg2113 (Meg2113) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 03:34 pm: Edit

Hi Everyone
So I have finally made my decision after visiting NYU and Catholic Univ. and I have decided to attend Catholic University of America in the fall as a Musical Theatre Major. I am extremley excited and I'm very confident in my decision. I visited Catholic and got to stay with a freshman musical theatre major, which I reccomend to everyone because it's extremley helpful! I attended her classes, and especially loved her "Stage Deportment" class which is similar to a vocal performance class. I didn't get to see the teacher Jane Pesci-Townsend that everyone raves about, but instead I got to see a subsitute who graduated from Catholic and has been on broadway and was presently in a tour of Les Mis. He performed for the class and was absolutley amazing. The talent there was ridiculously amazing, and I enjoyed it a lot! My friend goes to CAP 21 at NYU and so I got to see his tap class, took him out to lunch with my father and we talked to him. NYU is a great school, I just didn't feel that it was for me. I did CAP 21's summer program so I know a lot about it. It's an amazing program....but Tisch seems separated from the school to me, and NYU itself seems disjointed.

About 60 kids are in the freshman class alone at CAP 21 - NYU. But at Catholic its about 15-20 which is smaller and more individualized. To defend NYU the class is broken up into smaller classes, its just NYU is big in general and I like a smaller, nurturing, and individualized school. Plus at Catholic I will be learning many many other things, in addition to MT. It's a very international and worldy program, not just the standard broadway stuff.
This is just my take on the schools, but I thought I would let everyone in on it. If anyone has questions feel free to e mail me! But FINALLY I AM DONE WITH THIS PROCESS!!! CUA 2008! Thanks for all of your posts and help along the way!

By Valerie (Valerie) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 05:14 pm: Edit

DoctorJohn

Thanks for your input on BA and BFA programs posted above. I definitively will reseach your comments from January through thread 7.

Wish I had this knwoledge for detailed info when I posted the same question/s some time ago.

I enjoy reading all your posts. Very informative!

By Soozievt (Soozievt) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 05:59 pm: Edit

My daughter who is going to be applying to MT programs next fall revealed something to me today. When she was researching MT programs in the last few months, she often was drawn to the conservatory programs with very little liberal arts such as CCM or Boston Conservatory and telling me she did not care if she got the liberal arts or not (to which I would say, then how come you are so interested in NYU where you get a bunch of liberal arts?....lol). Ånyway, today she said she has a turn of heart and thinks a strictly consevatory with very little in the way of other courses is not for her cause as she put it, "I want to be an educated person which also makes me a better actor". Frankly her heart and soul is in musical theater but she truly is a very good student and writer as well. So, I simply said, then NYU and UMich are the type of places you may want (though they, too, were very high on her list along with the conservatories). Interesting how they change!

First child just decided where to go to college next fall and thus my thoughts need to turn to this one's process and the GC has coincidentally called me today and said to get together to chat and let him know where we are at.

Congrats to all of you who recently decided where to matriculate. Been immersed in that process with my older one a lot lately too but it's over!

Susan

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 06:53 pm: Edit

Susan,

Very good choice on your daughter's part!! Broader educational AND life experiences can only enrich and inform her work as a performer. Sounds like she's on the right track. And as you suggested in an earlier post, please feel free to contact me (after your #1 D is settled, of course) for info about U Mich. Happy to help.

By Soozievt (Soozievt) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 07:29 pm: Edit

Thanks Theatermom, I hope you continue to post after your D gets started. I hope we can fly out in September. I will get in touch when that is planned. She also knows a girl who is a freshman there now with whom she spent years going to theater camp. Time ran out this year....she just got back from Italy/Greece and has too many rehearsals and performances in the next few weeks to leave. I think we will have to do the faves in September and then continue on the rest shortly thereafter. So far, she has only gotten to visit NYU/Tisch. UMich is high on the preference list though.

Susan

By Musicalthtrmom (Musicalthtrmom) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 07:38 pm: Edit

Meg2113...congrats on making your choice! Could you help out the parents of juniors a bit and tell us what you like so much about Catholic U? What draws you to go there over NYU? Can you tell us about the audition experience at CUA? Have you seen any MT productions there? Can you tell us a bit about the curriculum you'll encounter? THANKS!

By Dramamama (Dramamama) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 09:47 pm: Edit

My daughter has just about decided to attend U of Arts in the fall. Anybody else going there???

By Oregondramamama (Oregondramamama) on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 09:59 pm: Edit

Dramamama
Could you please share your impressions on Hartt, I think you mentioned visiting the school.
Much appreciated for the info you share.

By Valerie (Valerie) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 05:31 am: Edit

Thecritic22

Hi. Lets see if I can help by adding to what has been posted here earlier by Doctorjohn.

BTW, Doctorjohn and Jamimom are two people on these threads you might find interested in following. And, you may want to address them directly with your questions. Both are in Theatre/Drama and education, advising fields, respectively.

I wrote a post that covers some of your questions on another thread titled "USC Film or UCLA Theatre" on 4/26. Also Emily114 on 4/27 has given her perspective being a student at Tisch. As Laura who Doctorjohn suggests. I have commented in other threads the importance of one who is really interested in Theatre/Drama that to be successful with longevity in the industry of theatre,film or TV, one must seriously study their craft from the stage. Most successful actors in TV, film or theatre will tell you this.

There is a difference in one's intention and how they go about the process of educating themselves if they have a desire to be a film actor vs. a TV actor, vs a broadway actor, vs a MT actor. etc. For instances film is two dimensional and blocking is different. It's story also needs to transfer and carry across the screen to invite the audience's attention and continued interest. Also, it is more technically oriented. The acting is done in parts, often not cohevisely and then edited to perfection. MT Theatre and Broadway shows have music and their own uniqueness; TV with an auduence, theirs. Comedy and other performances, different. However, the craft is learned and done from the stage for success and longevity.

Also, and I know this sounds contradictory or ambiguous, a well rounded educated student in a BA theatre/drama program, or a major in another Liberal Arts interest is often better than an exclusive study in a theatre/drama performance program.

So much depends on the student, their tenacity, versatility, where they studied; where and who they know and opportunities that present themselves while seeking out their Acting career. What approach would you be comfortable with? What are your other interests? What would you like to be doing when you are between gigs or plain just not getting hired for roles in TV, stage or film? Would you like to work in the entertianment business in general or be a math teacher, bio-chemist? etc.

You can't go wrong with an education from Vassar, Yale or Wesleyan. These are ALL excellent Schools and environments for education and your interests. BA and non BA Theatre/Drama programs and opportunities too!!!! Each school is different. However, your interest in Wesleyan says a lot about the direction you are thinking.

Your question about jobs if one has a BFA in Theatre is a good one. Again, depending on the program and what it details and how it is carried out, depends on the school and how they teach it. It does warrant one to investigate each school that you are interest in on whether the program is strongly a conversatory for the 'regional stage' only or is well rounded in all aspects of theatre. I believe I have another post on this subject in another thread. "Theatre/Musical Theatre".

If a BFA conversatory is well rounded and expanding in all areas of theatre then I believe one can find a job in many areas in life. Also in many areas of the entertainment idustry as a whole. Mind you, I am not saying you can be a lighting director, or expect to be hired or have longevity in an area of the Theatre you have not been educated in that requires a degree in that specific area of the Theatre. However, the study that you will recieve in voice & diction alone and how you carry yourself and project yourself, how organized and structured you are will give you "a leg up" for debate, public speaking and other areas in the corporate world; the courtroom, in the surgical theatre, and in the educational area where one can have passion and persuasion. Lots of opportunities.

As far as NYU is concerned. Some students of Tisch have expressed in the past that they feel limited in their ability to select from programs of interest outside of their preforming arts education. Whether it's time, subject matter, allowed or not, I would look for other threads here on CC that talk about that at NYU in general and in the University's other areas of interests you have. Also, a phone call to the Tisch department at NYU to ask to talk to someone who could advise you. And, here at CC for lots of objective info and personal experiences, from lots of people who have or have had their kids at NYU &/or Tisch and those in the know; adults and Tisch students a like.
The musical theatre thread here has a wealth of info to shift through.

Tisch's name, Undergraduate & Graduate is a big benefit when one gets hired right out of school. It's an impressive name and has the reputation as the premiere school in the pre-professional performing arts. They have several majors, all specific to their theme. MT vs Theatre/Drama, etc.

However, there are other excellent programs - schools - BA programs and Lib Arts majors that give personnel or those in the entertainment industry a reason to pause and raise their heads. How are your grades? what are your intentions, your experiences, travel; study aboard, accomplishments in school, other areas of expertise in the performing arts; your interests, hobbies, future desires and dreams, how do you look? Talk? What's your family background, what languages do you speak, pets, obilgations?

There is so much that goes into the reason why someone is going to hire a person. Whether one has a degree in preforming arts or not. And, here is some basic info that needs to be underlined. No matter where or how one is educated. How well do you present yourself to someone on first impression, how do you dress, do you feel entitled, can you fill out a job application? Put your thought process into a clear projection that will benefit the company or the area you are being considered for employment? Once hired, are you reliable, do you have integrity, how versatile are you; are you willing to go the extra mile when needed, work longer hours if need be, be self structured and motivated; get your work done, are you creative, plus more. Seems like a no brainer, right? You'd be surprised. No kidding.

As far as my personal experience with Tisch. My S was accepted to this Fall's Theatre/Drama major with the Lee Strasburg studio. Pretty impressive considering the competition alone to get into Tisch besides being accepted to NYU. Which, btw, is required at most schools. Both an acceptance to the University or College itself, then an acceptance into the Theatre/Drama program. My S applied to many schools. All were BFA's except 3 schools he chose to apply to their BA instead for what the school offered in the way they structured their programs. All the other schools offerend BA programs too. The results came in one at a time. Accepted, waitlisted, denied. A lot were a surprise. Some thought he was NOT good enough in talent and academic, some thought he was great, some thought he was too good. In the end he narrowed it down between two. UCLA's TFT BA Drama vs. NYU's Tisch BFA Drama with Lee Strasburg studio. He chose UCLA. After disecting each school and then each program (with the help of CC), his Dad and I and S all agreeded that it was a better fit for him. The school gives him the freedom to be able to pull from many different areas of study and the ability to major in the area of his choice along with his theatre studies program in drama. Then there was a hugh component involving finance. It was an agonizing decision because both programs and University's are excellent.

It's always an individual decision. Or should be.

Hope this information helps you on your journey. And if not, lesson your anxiety as you investigate your choices. If I can be of further assistance or be someone to listen and offer support, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Valerie


A smart Actor is an educated one. A successful Actor with longevity and versatility is an educated one. Preparation, Experience, Tenacity, Opportunity. Education, Education, Education!!

By Valerie (Valerie) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:02 am: Edit

I have a question for the moderator of "Colleges For Musical Theatre Major" and for all those that post here on a regualr bases

Do you all feel there is enough interest in Theatre/Drama programs to warrant siphoning off all discussions from MT and starting a new thread under theatre?

So often the topic goes hand in hand and other times I feel its interest and content (hijacks) the purpose of this thread.

By Millergjpr (Millergjpr) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:56 am: Edit

My son and I visited Hartt. He liked the kids and the school, but after we watched an acting class, he decided it was not for him. He has been in a performing arts high school and he felt the class at Hartt was not very advanced considering that it was the end of the freshman year.

By Showstopkid (Showstopkid) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 08:16 am: Edit

millergjpr, I felt the same way. Also, 2 of the students that were helping out stood by the dance audition and commented on how they wished that their dance program was as strong as the audition. They offer good scholarships but this school is just not for me.

By Jamimom (Jamimom) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 09:32 am: Edit

Valerie, I was under the wrong impression about your son's status when I posted to you. Thought he was a junior looking at programs as my son is. I glad you and he are done with the process, and my congratulations on his decision and his impressive acceptances.

Actually, I am wet behind the years on this MT thing. Though I have worked with college admissions for years, I knew next to nothing about MT and though I had worked with kids who had auditioned for music and with kids who auditioned for theatre, I was not really aware of MT programs. So this post was a gold mine for me and I am picking brains here more than giving advice. Anything I say is second hand in this area as I have never gone through this process or watched someone go through it.

Congrats again to your son! The program at UCLA is great from what I hear, and there is a Lee Strasberg studio in LA. I personally think Tisch has some racket going on with charging primo tuition and then subcontracting the kids out to studios. Actually a brilliant idea--the rates at those studios are bargains compared to the Tisch tuition and I'm sure NYU is getting much discounted rates. They don't have to hire the teachers, have overhead, have studios, equipment, stages, all leased out. Throw in parttime courses and they are set. And my kid will be standing in line panting for the privilige to have his parents pay for this setup. LOL But that is the way it works, and we are jumping on this carousel.

By Valerie (Valerie) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit

Oregondramamama, DramaMama, Showstopkid,
Millergjpr

Thought you would be interested in contacting by post cbs57 who has a student at Hartt in jr/sr yr. You can reach her through the April archive on "Theatre BA BFA"

Millergjpr maybe a new thread started with the titled "Webster Musical Theater" might be helful if you can't find anything of depth on Webster or it's MT program elsewhere.

By Alanz (Alanz) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 02:14 pm: Edit

I respectfully submit that although Theater and Musical Theater majors have some overlap, MT is a very specialized major.

The nature of the MT voice auditions, dance training, etc in preparation to selecting a school should be enough reason to keep it a separate thread.

By Dramamama (Dramamama) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 02:54 pm: Edit

The two schools that were in the final running for my daughter were Hartt and Arts. She loved nearly everything about Arts except for the fact that it didn't have a campus and as a result probably little to no "campus" life. When comparing the two curriculums she preferred the emphasis at Arts. She was disappointed to hear that the Dance Director at Hartt was leaving (she had been impressed with him at the audition). Arts has a very strong dance program and their dance teachers teach both the dance majors and the MT majors (although the classes are separate). I do have to say that her first impression (from both auditions) showed a preference for Hartt but when she went back to spend a day at each, Arts came out ahead. She only had an opportunity to see a show at Arts. I wish that she could have done both. PS We did get to see a Hartt graduate perform (sing) in a small club in NYC a few weeks ago. She is about 30 so she was there a while ago, but very talented and we were all impressed.

By Meg2113 (Meg2113) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 05:39 pm: Edit

MusicalThtrMom, I would love to share my experiences with students and parents just getting started in this process. Well here is my take on Catholic and NYU and why I chose Catholic over Tisch. I just want to remind people that this is my personal opinion and I suggest you take it as a grain of salt, like every post on this site and really see the schools and programs for yourself. But, The audition for Catholic was quite professional and truly gave the student the best oppurtunity to show their talent and work. I had control of everything, I sang two songs, did two monolouges, and got to choreograph perform my own 1 minute dance! Which I liked a lot, because I got to show them my ability in choreography and dance. They were very nice, the dean sat in on my audition and then shook my hand after the audition. Before the audition they gave me my own warm up room with a grand piano! Very classy, I thought.
My Tisch audition was obviously a lot different since you are in NYC. We were all in one studio, introduced to the judges (I PRAYED that I got one of the judges over the extremley strange other two) and I did so I was lucky. It was very personable, I auditioned in a separate and small studio, she was very nice and interviewed me.

I took the summer program at CAP 21, I knew the curriculum, the faculty is amazing. I chose Catholic over NYU Tisch because first of all, I really wanted a campus. Which I don't care what anyone says, NYU does NOT offer that. I really wanted the whole college life, mix and mingle with people other than Musical Theatre majors. When asked at NYU if you are paired with a roomate from Tisch the answer was yes, I would of had at least one roomate from Tisch, which I wasn't too fond of. I like variety. I love my MT people, but sometimes you need a break! Catholic was EXTREMLEY accomadating, my dad talked to the dean of the school of music, I got to spend the night with a MT major and go to her classes, they were all so nice. Where at NYU I felt like everything is a confusing secret. The program itself is confusing and there isn't many people to help you out and let you know whats what.

Valerie - I agree with your perception of Tisch that the tuition is so expensive while they are renting out these studios! I just knew I would feel like a NYC actor taking classes in the city rather than a college student.

I live in NJ, a 30 minute train ride from the city so I really wanted to get out and explore. Washington DC is the second biggest theatre city next to NYC, so why not go for a school which has a campus, but the city a metro stop away? Oh, and the metro puts the NYC subway to shame!
I did not get to see a musical at CUA, but I did see the drama department's production of Uncle Maroje. It was a croatian comedy, which they are taking to croatia to participate in an international festival! It was really enjoyable, loveley set, fabulous lighting, and it really shows the worldly and international education they provide.

At Catholic you would get a Bachelor of Music opposed to a BFA. You take Piano (which I thought is great, you leave college being able to teach yourself songs..not running to a voice teacher), Chorus, Theory, Ballet (freshman year), Acting I, Alexander Tech., Ear Training, Stage Deportment (Like a Vocal Performace class). It also seems that you have flexibility with your schedule...you are assigned a Musical Theatre advisor. So if you want some more dance, or acting it can be done. Or even more outside of MT classes. I wasn't too fond of the BM, but when I saw the Chorus class, and how I could learn my musical theatre, standard broadway stuff but still learn some other languages and great musicality that really impressed me. You really get a well rounded education there, and I agree it helps you to become a better actor and person. The MT kids are constantly in the music school, working hard for their goal. At NYU my friend who goes to CAP told me a lot of kids drop a semester to work in a show, get their equity card. This upset me because I feel the education and training is most important. Don't get me wrong I want that Broadway Show, or equity card just as bad, but I want to get training first and then go out in the business and be ready and confident with my education behind me.

I can go on forever, Sorry if I am boring you, but if anyone has any specific questions I would be happy to answer them. My advice to everyone is DON'T just go for a big name. That may be all it is. You need to find what is right for you. I am so glad I found Catholic because the caliber of performers they have their match up to any school - NYU, CMU, CCM. I strongly reccomend it, I too have done theatre all my life and love it. Explore every option because it's about finding what you want and who you are, and what matches up to that. Thanks again for all of your help. I will definitley stick around next year, and now to help anyone who wants it...and tell you about my experiences now and for the future!!
Megan

By Emilyp114 (Emilyp114) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 06:48 pm: Edit

Megan,

Congrats on your decision! It sounds like you are happy with the prospect of going to Catholic and that's what's most important for each of us, to find the right school for US. I think that a lot of kids just decide where they want to go based on name alone and don't properly research or investigate many programs before they make their big decision. Anyway congrats and best wishes to you!

Just wanted to clarify one point you made. I'm not sure who told you that you'd automatically be paired with another Tischie as a roommate but that's not true. Actually, I don't know anyone in Tisch who rooms with another Tischie unless they specifically requested it before arriving here. It's probably not a big concern for prospective students but I thought I'd mention it.

By Valerie (Valerie) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:28 pm: Edit

Megan,

I am so happy for you! That's what it is all about - finding the right school and fit for yourself!! You have made a wise and excellent choice for your interests and future outlook. Catholic sounds perfect for you. Please do keep sharing and Good Luck!

Valerie

By Valerie (Valerie) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 08:01 pm: Edit

Jamimom

Don't sell yourself so short! You have wealth of info at your fingertips and years of experience researching schools and advising students, even if not heavily involved in MT!!!!!

Thanks for the reminder about Lee Strasburg in L.A. yes, there is that studio, the American Academy of Dramatic Arts and several other fine acting schools for students to choose from to augment their classical studies. Also, grad level and private instruction in and of itself in acting. Not to mention the Playhouses and Theatres.

I do agree; I think, after intense review of Tisch and NYU's tuition requirements and how they go about it that it does at best give one reason to pause and raise an eye brow in its authenticity. Never mind its ethics and business structure.

Look forward to my communicating in answer to you on other posts. It's been a long week.

Thanks, Valerie

p.s.what do you think about separating a Theatre thread from MT? Do you think there is enough interest? Would you contribute?

By Meg2113 (Meg2113) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 08:10 pm: Edit

thanks emily and valerie! At an NYU drama info session we asked about the whole rooming thing and he said that hes encountered a lot of Tisch students rooming together, and my friend who goes to CAP rooms w/ a film Tisch student I believe. So that confirmed it andI just assumed that was what happened, but thanks for clarifying that! It's good to hear!
Megan

By Newtothis (Newtothis) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 09:45 pm: Edit

My son finally made his decision. After visiting both PSU and Hartt over the past 2 weeks, he has decided to go to Hartt. Good luck to all the seniors next year.

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 10:14 pm: Edit

Valerie,

Since you asked, my feeling is that if you are primarily interested in a discussion of straight acting programs or other aspects of academic theater, I think a separate thread would be a good idea. This MT thread has been quite focused on this particular aspect of theatrical training for well over a year now with no signs of slowing down. And has been noted, we seem to "fill up" a Part more and more quickly just talking about MT. Of course it goes without saying that you are as welcome to contribute to this thread as much as to any other thread of your choosing. I'm sure many of us will want to contribute to a thread about acting programs as well. Let's just try to maintain the focus of this thread on issues related to Musical Theatre. Thanks for asking about it.

By Valerie (Valerie) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:08 pm: Edit

Thanks Theatermom

just what I thought! do you think there is enough interest to support the new thread from your experience in the last year? Would you follow the thread and contribute your thoughts when interested?

I value your feedback. And, look for direction. I agree this is a pretty heavily invested site regarding MT. As it should be with all it's complexities

By Wct (Wct) on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 11:46 pm: Edit

Valerie-

I would follow and contribute to a separate theater thread since that is my son's focus. Whether it will be as successful as this thread will have to be seen.

By Newmtmom (Newmtmom) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 12:00 am: Edit

Hi. I'm another new poster. I just discovered this site a couple of weeks ago and wow! What a wealth of information. First, congratulations to all of you who will be freshmen next year! And on top of everything, you managed to post here.

I have a D who is a junior who only discovered a couple of years ago that she loves to sing and act (and can). We just went on our first college tour-- CMU, Ithaca and Syracuse. I arranged this because my sense of timing was that we need to get started. I think she would like nothing better than not to think about it at all. When we were at the schools she was very attentive, very focussed, very observant. I came back, found this site and have been reading, reading, reading. She doesn't want to deal with it. I'm not a performing artist, but am a visual artist, so I know about getting into art schools and what it means to choose a life in the arts. She applied to the summer programs at Tisch and CMU, and did it all herself, so I know once she decides to do the work, she will; I worry about her sense of timing given what many of you have posted. Some questions:

How do you go about choosing your songs and monologues? Can some of you give examples of what you chose to do? I realize this is subjective, but saying to choose something appropriate for your age is too vague for me.

Where do you go to find stuff?

Regarding songs: How do you choose which 32 bars or 16 bars to use of a song?

After reading your postings, I'm thinking that she should also check out some schools that have good mt programs as part of a BA--i.e., no auditions, as a back-up. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

By Dramamama (Dramamama) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 08:05 am: Edit

Newmtmom,

Having gone through this audition process for the second year in a row, I strongly suggest preparing with a vocal coach and acting coach. Those folks will help your daughter select appropriate songs/monologues and the specifics bars and portions. For my daughter, the right type of training made a huge difference. (She had basically no preparation last year) And yes, do apply to a range of programs. I know I have said this before but last year we applied only to the very most competitive programs and this year we broadened our search to include good programs but ones that had slightly higher acceptance rates or weren't considered the absolute "top". She did also apply to one non audition program although we never seriously considered it, as we didn't need to. One more thing...when selecting coaches, I would try to find ones that have had experience preparing kids for this process. Good luck!!!

By Musicalthtrmom (Musicalthtrmom) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 08:23 am: Edit

Meg2113...THANKS for all the info on Catholic. You don't mention a private voice lesson on the curriculum...or am I missing it? Are private voice lessons part of the curriculum?

By Mtpop (Mtpop) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 03:42 pm: Edit

Newmtmom - I'm pretty much in the same boat as you are. My S is a junior, and is relatively new at MT, but it is his passion. Good luck in getting any specific information on songs/monologues. First let me say that this thread has been incredibly helpful, and could probably be edited into a best selling book. But when it comes to getting posters to open up and talk about what songs/monologues they did, I think that must be forbidden ground. It's been asked many times, but the answers are usually "go read this book", or "go look at that website." Too bad, I think it would be very interesting to hear specifics and how songs/monologues were received.

By Mtmomtok (Mtmomtok) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 04:48 pm: Edit

mtpop

I agree with you on the topic of monlogues/songs selections. It would be very helpful to know, and also to see if one is on the right track in selecting for oneself. I would love to know some of the selections that were perfomed at the auditions. Naturally even knowing this one wouldn't do the same things for a variety of reasons.

By Camge (Camge) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 05:18 pm: Edit

Hi, this is my first post, but I have been reading a lot about the CAP 21 program at NYU. I would like to put a word in for Playwrights horizon at NYU. I have a son who is a sophmore in the program and I think that it is truly amazing. The first year, allstudents start out on the same broad theater track They learn acting, directing, voice, dance, designing, tech, etc... The second year you specialize... Acting, Directing, Musical theater, tech, or a combination . My son is currently a Directing major( A great way to get into NYU as not as many people apply) and he loves the preperation he is getting. He has starred in two GAP shows this year, which are only open to Tisch students. Both were musicals and he beat out lots of CAP 21 kids for his parts. He especially likes the courses he is taking in the general NYU program. He is off to Florence Italy in May for a summer session in Comedia Dell Arte. NYU is expensive, but I think the training, and city exposure he is getting is worth it. With AP credits he will be graduating early.I have a second son who is looking to be a MT student , He is a sophmore and we will start to look for schools in the Fall. I graduated from Ithaca and I think that will be first on the list.

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 05:20 pm: Edit

Mtpop

I'm sorry you'll feel as if we "veterans" are being evasive or non-reponsive re: the "which monologue or song" question. I don't think it's our intention to be so. The truth is that picking a song or a monologue is such an individual thing that no one can tell you what would be right for your child. Researching and choosing material is a skill that all performers need to cultivate even at this stage in their development. It is the WORK of preparation. It is also the way they become familiar with MT repertoire and is not a task to be avoided or gotten around. I think posters here are trying to help when they've posted what NOT to sing or use for a monologue.

My best suggestion would be to tell your son to start listening to shows with which he is UNfamiliar. As has been stated before, the auditors hear so many kids singing the same songs that an unusual song will always get a heads up - a great way to start. I don't know where you live but if he can make his way to a decent size library, maybe one in a university near you, he should be able to borrow CD's to listen to either in or out of the library. Have him make a list of songs that he can get excited about and suit his vocal range and theatrical type. He can bring this list to his voice teacher or someone at school who is willing to work with him and get some feedback and then get to work. The same advice goes for monologues. Use the summer to read lots and lots of plays.

I'm happy to tell you what songs my daughter had in her book when she went on auditions but my guess is they probably won't do your son any good. (LOL) For any other parents of girls, she used "Not a Day Goes By" from Merrily We Roll Along by Sondheim in the original, rarely used, higher key (many schools ask that you not use Sondheim because the arrangements are often very tricky and difficult to do well without previous rehearsal with the accompanist, but this song is really more in the form of a traditional ballad/love song - not tricky but with a lot of "stuff" to act) She also did "Vanilla Ice Cream" from She Loves Me by Bock and Harnick, the point with this one being to nail the high B at the end to show off her range. She also used "I wish It So" a gorgeous, rarely used song from a 1959 show called Juno by Mark Blitzstein. She had others available in her book, including a few classical songs, in case they asked her to sing something else, but rather than ask for an additional song she was almost always asked to vocalize (most often to check that she had the lower range to go with that high B).

For monologues, she used one of Rachel's speeches from Inherit the Wind. She had played this role in a school play so felt very comfortable with the role and the play. For a classical piece she had two monologues available from Moliere plays. This combo was a bit unusual in that the classical piece was the comedic piece and the contemporary one dramatic. My guess is that people more often do it the other way around (i.e., serious classical and comedic contemporary) but her choice suited her strengths as an actress.

Hope this has helped. I'm sure other folks will be happy to respond with what song/monologues their kids actually did - there is no competition at this point - we're done!! (Excuse the gratuitous celebration - you'll feel the same way this time next year.....) But I'm not sure that knowing what this year's kids did will really help yours next year. They really have to do the work. Sorry........

BTW, my D was accepted to 4 of the 6 programs she auditioned for and will be attending the University of Michigan in their BFA MT program.

We really are here for you. We'll try our best to help you the same way the parents of the class of 2003/2007 helped us. Just keep asking those questions!

By Soozievt (Soozievt) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 06:01 pm: Edit

Camge, welcome to this forum! You are a great asset with one child in a program and another coming up to look at them. I have a tenth grader but she is graduating HS a year early so is applying for MT programs next fall. She really is very interested in NYU/Tisch, Cap in particular. But she has friends in many of the other studios. She has a friend who is a soph in Playwrights Horizons actually (Jordan, a boy, from TN). It was interesting to read of your son's experiences! My D just got back from a school trip to Italy and was saying she would love to do a semester abroad there! Can you do that at Tisch? I have it in my notes from the visit but would have to look it up.

I understand why some parents/kids are asking what pieces others chose for auditions but totally agree with Theatermom's post. It is very much an individual thing and there are some very good guidelines of what you might want to look for that is suitable for your talents. I do see the curiousity in it though.

By the way, Theatermom, my D loves Merrily We Roll Along and I know the song you mean.

I think the individualized nature of picking audition materials is sorta like application essays (just had a daughter get into college this spring). There are great guidelines to go by but the topic is a very individualized thing.

It is interesting to hear what others chose and why but other than that, it really is about picking what material showcases your strengths. For example, someone whose forte is belting might pick a song that shows that. Someone who tends toward comedic acting might want one monologue to showcase that.

Susan

By Mtmomtok (Mtmomtok) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 06:07 pm: Edit

Theatermom,

Thank you for posting the actual audition material. What is really funny is that we were actually thinking of doing "Not a Day Goes By" which was suggested to my D by her vocal coach. Anyway, also nice to know she was asked to vocalize, I hadn't read that before on this thread. Choosing songs I'm not having a problem with. My D is a vocal major at a perfoming arts high school. It's the monologues that are killing me. (She's not an actress, though we intend to work on that either through workshop or private.) But, again thank you. Even suggesting monologues would be helpful, doesn't mean they'll be used, but helpful nonetheless.

By Dancersmom (Dancersmom) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 09:23 pm: Edit

Theatermom,
It's a small world after all. My D also used "Vanilla Ice Cream" this year. It was one of the two pieces she sang at CCM. She paired it with Irving Berlin's "Say It Isn't So". The two pieces contrast in mood and range. My D, like some others, changed music after the first couple of auditions. She began with "Never" from "On The 20th Century" by Cy Coleman and "When Did I Fall In Love?" from "Fiorello". Both of these pieces were chosen after much searching by D and her vocal coach. He urged her to use pieces that were dramatic and showed a range of emotions. His philosophy is that if the auditors just wanted to hear her vocal range they could have her sing a scale. Ironically, at her 1st audition, another student from Cincinnati was singing "When Did I Fall In Love?" There were probably only 20 kids at that audition. The other girl from Cincinnati unhappily discovered that she was also singing one of the same songs that Mtheatremom's D was using. Both of her songs were sung by others that day!

My D and I discovered in January that her voice teacher really disliked "Never". It's a rather angry song and the teacher didn't like hearing it sung by a teenager. My D's voice teacher is a CCM faculty member who teaches many of the MT majors in her studio. My D's vocal coach was CCM's MT music director for 10 years. Both teachers are very knowledgeable and well respected. One hated the other's choice of music. I have to wonder how this kind of thing affects students in the audition room. How much does singing a song disliked by an auditor hurt them?

My D ended up doing some vocal coaching sessions with Pam Myers, a Tony award nominated original cast member of Sondheim's "Company", while her regular vocal coach was in the hospital. Ms. Myers chose new music for her. She chose "Much More" from the "Fantasticks" and the above mentioned "Say It Isn't So". I was very leary of having my D do anything from the "Fantasticks". "Much More" is on CCM's list of overdone pieces. However, my D's voice teacher raved about how much better she liked the new music choices. My D decided to use "Much More" despite the risk. She felt that if she performed it very well it wouldn't matter if other girls used it. I would have preferred something more obscure, but I got overruled. I tried to persuade her to use "Green Finch and Linnett Bird" from Sondheim's "Sweeney Todd". D has been singing it for a long time and was told by U. Michigan that they would welcome hearing it. She used "Never" instead. After a bad accompanist experience at Point Park with "Never" she was truly afraid to use "Green Finch". "Green Finch's" accompaniment is more difficult than "Never's". (By the way, when D's regular vocal coach got out of the hospital and heard that she was planning to audition with "Much More" he was not happy. He spoke with Ms. Myers, who's a good friend of his, and eventually agreed that "Much More" would be a good choice, just not at CCM.)

The weekend my D auditioned at Florida State we got to the school on Saturday afternoon. We decided to look around the campus and dropped in on the music building. The MT auditions were still going on. I passed a girl in the hall carrying a copy of "Much More". On Sunday when my D auditioned the girl who sat next to me in the orientation session was holding a book of selections from the "Fantasticks". Putting two and two together, I know that the auditors at FSU heard "Much More" at least 3 times that weekend. To put it mildly, the situation worried me. However, my D did get accepted into the program. She used "Much More" the next week at Penn State and got in there too. We decided it would be a bad idea to sing it at CCM since they specifically tell students not to use it. In fact, when my D was a sophomore, she paid a visit to CCM and spoke with the music director. He asked if she'd read their website. She answered yes and was told to adhere to the suggestions. Mr. Grodsky said he wondered why any student would go into an audition singing something they'd been asked not to perform. I have to agree.

As a general rule, despite the fact that my D used an overused song and got accepted, I would advise choosing pieces that are not well known. I agree with my D's vocal coach that the songs need to say something and should contrast with each other. Choosing songs is a very individual thing. As others have said, what works for one student will not work for another. The same goes for monologue choices. As Theatermom said so well, you have to do your legwork. Good luck to the juniors who are beginning this process.

By Meg2113 (Meg2113) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 10:57 pm: Edit

Musicalthtrmom - oh, definitley Catholic does offer private voice in its curriculum, I forgot to mention it. It offers and abundance of music classes since it is a BM. Yet, it still offers a great deal of the other disciplines as well!

By Jrmom (Jrmom) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 11:27 pm: Edit

Looks like CUA MT students are required to take 9 credits of Religion in the junior and senior years. Wonder if that is a study of the Catholic religion???? Meg2113 do you know?

By Dancerboi04 (Dancerboi04) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 01:41 am: Edit

This is my first time posting. I have recently started to read the information on this forum, however unfortunately after all my auditions had taken place. I would just like to thank everyone for their thoughts and opinions. This has been very helpful for me to read the experiences that some of us had to go thriugh, and how sometimes scary and nervous we all were about the whole process.
Since I began reading this site, it seems like all the buzz about are for the "big three". (NYU, CMU, and CCM) schools, while I would have loved to audition for these schools, I couldn't either because I missed the deadline, financial and transportation reasons, or were just scared away by their acceptance rates or cut systems. So I settled for 3. (UARTS, Hartt, Syracuse)Which going into the process, I knew was very risky and I was not happy about, but I had no choice. I was only able to visit the U of arts campus, and i loved it. Since I am from Jerzee I auditioned for Syracuse and Hartt in NYC. But unfortunately Uarts was the first to reject me. I was soooooo deppressed and I was so nervous that I had only two more schools left and that I wouldnt get into any of them that I was losing sleep just thinking about college, (no joke, it was a really tough time for me) and that my mom would think that I was a failure. (eventhough that wouldn't happen, but thats another story). So I thought my chances at Syracuse were slim to none. But, I received the letter of acceptance! (my mom opened it up, which i was mad at her for like a month, but its all good . So I then started to have pleasant dreams again. My mom is like ur going to syracuse, and I said sure thats where I will go. I did not even wait for Hartt, (later finding out that i got in). I did not visit Syracuse but at the meeting in NYC they gave a wonderful presenation, the most informative out of all the schools and seemed liked they really cared about one's artistic potential. They wanted to make sure that you were equally good in all 3 diciplines, which I liked alot.
Anyway, while I do not regret my decision for Syracuse, I must ask anyone who actually auditioned there, or goes there: What is it really like? (campus, program, atmosphere, faculty, students, snow-lol) Does it really live up to its rep? I really want to know because I missed the admitted students programs and I feel so out of touch with a school that I might be spending four years at. Thanks again for all of your support thus far. I wish evryone much sucess. And to my meg, i luv you so much. You will be great at CUA, i kno it. Just always remember to always look up in the sky and you will see a star with your name on it. Thanks for letting me know abt this site, see ya 5th period...

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 07:42 am: Edit

Dancerboi04

You can relax and be absolutely thrilled. My daughter auditioned for Syracuse in early December on campus (it was only her second audition after the Open Audition day at NYU Steinhardt in November). It was a pretty gloomy day and you could still see that the campus would look great in Spring. It IS an urban campus in not the greatest section of Syracuse, but the "inner" campus is lovely. The place where you will spend most of your time, Syracuse Stage, is a wonderful theatrical space.

But you should be most excited about the program. Jim Clark, the Director of the MT Program and Artistic Director of Syracuse Stage, is one of the nicest gentlemen in academic theater (right up there with Doctorjohn of Otterbein). He was fabulous in describing the Syracuse program - honest and supportive, describing a challenging and professional program. My sense is that everyone in that program is made to feel like a big family. The dance audition was one of the best my daughter experienced (and she's strong dancer - since age 5) and she felt the vocal and acting segments were strong also. It seemed to me to be one of the most balanced programs we looked at. The audition day was well organized and both kid and parent friendly. (Don't discount that organization piece - it speaks volumes about what your experience will be living life in that Department.)

If you want, check back into the December 2003 archive where you can read my post on December 8 (near the end of that archive) for the description I gave shortly after her audition that weekend. It may have more details that my senior brain cannot recall now, five months later....

My daughter was also fortunate to be accepted to Syracuse but has chosen to go to U Mich. Sorry we won't see you in Syracuse, but rest assured that you will get a great theater education and have a wonderful experience. Congrats to you for your success in what sounds like trying circumstances. You did it!! Now relax for a bit and then go knock 'em dead! Well done!

By Mtmomtok (Mtmomtok) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 08:11 am: Edit

Can someone tell me what regional auditions are like? Specifics like what the room is like? How many people are there? In general what the day is like in regional auditions?

By Mtpop (Mtpop) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 10:26 am: Edit

Theatermom (and others)- thank-you for the discussion regarding monologues/songs. I realize that no one can "copycat", and that auditions are a very, very individual thing. But what is so interesting is the process that one uses and then how the selection is received by the auditioners. Investigating little known musicals at a library is a great idea. THANK-YOU! You veterans have so much knowledge to share. So, here come some of my "beginner" questions. As brought up by Newmtmom, "what does age appropriate really mean??" Also, on the question of monologues, if only one is requested, should it be from a musical? Or can one perform a monologue from a play? How about some input from you those of you with S's.

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 11:15 am: Edit

Mtpop,

Sorry, I STILL have an MT daughter (I also have a S but he's an American Studies major at Cornell - no help there.....)

But, my understanding is that they would prefer that monologues NOT be from musicals. Clearly, with the classical one, we don't have access to an overwhelming number of Shakespearean musicals , but even on the contemporary side, I think straight play material is preferred. Anybody else with harder information on this question? Maybe Doctorjohn?

Age appropriate means just that - monologues by characters that your son could conceivably play now or in the next few years. In other words your son probably does not want to use a Willy Loman monologue from Death of a Salesman.

By Newmtmom (Newmtmom) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 11:38 am: Edit

thanks to those of you who have posted information about choosing material for auditions. I think mtpop hit it--understanding details about the process really helps--hearing what worked or didn't--and WHY. I am so new to this, for example, that the idea of going to our library and looking for plays--where do you start!! And of course, this isn't me that is going to be doing it but my daughter...

Two questions: Does anyone have any recommendations for schools that might be a little less competitive--you know, the proverbial safety schools?

Does anyone know of good summer programs that it's not too late to apply. My D just heard she didn't get into Tisch and is waiting to hear from CMU (she only got her application in a week and a half ago). Any ideas anyone?

By 5pants (5pants) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 11:41 am: Edit

DePaul University's Theatre School has a great list of recommended and not recommendd plays to choose monolgues from...it is posted on their website.

If you don't have access to a coach to help with monologue selection I suggest you order playbook catalogues from Samuel French and Dramatic Publishing or other reputable companies. These catalogues will give you a brief discription of each play.

After researching you will begin to discover that there are certain playwrights who like to incorporate younger characters and typically use them as their main characters...such as: Landford Wilson has incorporated many older teens into his scripts. Paul Zindel is another that comes to mind.

Buying a book that contains selections of monologues for younger actors can be a good starting point to become acquainted with different playwrights. I however don't suggest you prepare from one of these books...a play needs to be read from cover to cover before choosing it to be one of your monologues. These selections in monologue books are just sound bites of the plays.

Its quite the process...but then every good actor does their research...right?

5pants

By 5pants (5pants) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 12:42 pm: Edit

I am sorry...I should have also included Dramatists Play Service....they have a wonderful catalogue of plays and librettos to musicals.

5pants

By Mtpop (Mtpop) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 01:29 pm: Edit

Newmtmom - I take it you are from the east coast. My S is going to the summer program at Oklahoma City University (OCU). I understand that SMU also has a MT summer program, but I have not been able to get any info on it.

5pants - thanks for the info on DePaul - will check it out.

By Newmtmom (Newmtmom) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 02:33 pm: Edit

5pants and mtpop, thanks for the suggestions. I can't tell you how helpful your suggestions are--and that goes for all the posters. I feel so new to this that as you can see, I barely know the questions to ask. So your specifics are helpful. I think those of you whose kids attend performing arts high schools don't realize how much more basic info you have--I appreciate your sharing. I'll pass this on to my daughter.

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 03:26 pm: Edit

I'M A MOM OF A JR D. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE SONG CHOICES MENTIONED HERE. MY D'S VOCAL COACH ALSO HAD HER WORKING ON VANILLA ICE CREAM AND MUCH MORE FROM THE FANTASTIKS A FEW MONTHS AGO AND WE'RE FROM THE WEST COAST. WE ARE ALSO CLUELESS ABOUT MONOLOGUES. MY D IS A SINGER, 1ST, DANCER 2ND, AND DEFINITELY AN ACTOR 3RD. WE ALSO APPLIED TO CMU SUMMER PROGRAM A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THEY SAID ACCEPTANCES WILL BE SENT OUT AT THE END OF THIS WEEK. HOPE THIS HELPS SOME OF YOU WAITING TO HEAR SOON. OUR ONLY BACK-UP IS THE SUMMER PROGRAM AT UCLA WHICH IS ONLY FOR 1 WEEK IN AUGUST.

By Dramamama (Dramamama) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 03:48 pm: Edit

Just got a letter today that my daughter was accepted at Emerson for MT. Never expected it and her debate was between U Arts and Hartt. Yesterday, she sent in her housing deposit to Arts ( she had already sent in the tuition deposit). I think that she is pretty set on Arts but I don't think it would hurt her to go up and spend a day at Emerson, either. Has anyone spent a day at Emerson and if so, what did you or your son/daughter think?

By Meg2113 (Meg2113) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 04:17 pm: Edit

Jrmom - I am almost positive that the religion courses at Catholic U mean theology classes studying the Catholic faith. It would be interesting if they did explore other religions but since it is a Catholic school I assume they mainly focus on that faith.

Dancerboi04 - hehe hey ian! I knew it was you just by seeing the name, I am glad you decided to post! Thanks for your sweet message, I am so happy for you with Syracuse, it really is a great program and I know you will love it there! Keep doin your thang I know you will make it! mwah!

By Soozievt (Soozievt) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 04:36 pm: Edit

Is this the Ian who goes to SDM? I know one of my daughter's friends from summer is going for MT at Syracuse and his name is Ian J. If for some odd reason that is you, this is the mom of the girl from VT (I prefer to not use her name, thanks) who sang Brother and Carousel in Cabaret. I saw you in Les Mis and you were great. My daughter is going to graduate high school a year early and is looking into MT progams now and Syracuse is on her list so when we visit next fall, she will have to contact you (assuming you are the same Ian!).

Susan

By Baymom (Baymom) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 05:52 pm: Edit

Jrmom-

My daughter attends a Catholic university that requires 9 cr. in theology. Not all of the courses teach Catholic doctrine or are even about the Catholic faith. Even though we're Catholic she chose to take a course in Judaism to fulfill one of her courses. Catholic U. is the same - they have courses in everything from Islam to the Reformation to World Religions.

By Camge (Camge) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 06:13 pm: Edit

I thought I might be of some help with audition material for guys. When my son auditioned for NYU he did it as a director. He had to present a directors portfolio(ie: a 1 act script with directors notes, blocking, sketches of sets and costumes) aaaand do a song and monologue. He Performed motzarts monologue from Amedeus a great piece because it has a lot of action seems classical but is actually modern, and is age appropriate. It is not often done, and he was told this by NYU. He sang Everybody say's Don't from Anyone Can Whistle. He has had a lot of success with Jacques Brel songs in school and summer stock auditions this year, and also uses Mozart arias sung in English. I think your best advice is to find music that not everyone is doing. The adjucators get really bored hearing the same old music. Look at shows like Lucky Stiff, Starmites, Saturday Night, Suessical or others of their ilk. Alone in the universe is a gorgeous Tenor ballad from Suessical, Candides Lament from Candide is another. Make sure you work with someone who can really prepare your child. Both of my sons have studied at Stella Adler, and the older one prepped with one of his teachers from there. Good Luck Afterthought. If anyone has a younger child ie. 15,16,17 A great place to see how you stack up to others is by doing a summer or even a session at French Woods Festival a summer camp in NY. Both of my children have been going there since they were young, and the auditioning and performing experience they have gotten has really helped them. They have both made great business contacts too and thats the name of the game!

By Soozievt (Soozievt) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Camge, I have a daughter who attended FWF for four summers! She loves musical theater but is not going into that for college, though may participate as an extracurricular. She is now 17. She really loved French Woods when she went there. I wonder if I ever saw your sons on stage as I saw many shows there over the years. My daughter who is 15 is the one who is pursuing musical theater in college and beyond and is the one who is very interested in Tisch, but she goes to Stagedoor Manor (will be her seventh summer this year) and I would say it has been a major influence on her in the way you described for your children at FWF. My D had to sing a solo from Jacques Brel in their Cabaret troupe last summer, so funny you mention that musical.

You mentioned that your sons studied at Stella Adler and I am assuming you mean in the weekend program that high school kids can attend? My D who goes to Stagedoor has several friends who go to the Stella program on Saturdays. She would love to do such a thing but we live in Vermont! Her boyfriend who she knows from the summer and who lives in Phila., has been going to Stella the last two years. Wonder if your son knows him...Jeff W.

Ian, regarding my earlier post, I may be mistaken cause I asked my daughter where the Ian she knows who is going to Syracuse for theater next year is from and she seemed to think Long Island so I gather it is a different Ian, sorry. Well, there might be two Ians in your freshman group next fall! ;-)

Susan

By Ilmomsk (Ilmomsk) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 07:55 pm: Edit

Hi all: My D found out yesterday by mail that she is accepted into Northwestern "Cherubs" Theatre Arts + Musical Theater Extension! We went regular decision. So excited and relieved, as she did not apply anywhere else. Good luck everyone!

By Mtmommy (Mtmommy) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 08:31 pm: Edit

Catsmom--

Has your daughter attended the UCLA program before? My daughter went there last year b/c she had a tiny space in her schedule (lol) between American Ballet Theater summer intensive and school starting. If you have any questions about the program, I can probably answer them for you.

By Bdwygal (Bdwygal) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 09:21 pm: Edit

Mtmomtok-
In response to your questions regarding regional audtions, my daughter did them in San Francisco at the Hilton Hotel. She was auditioning for CCM and Emerson. The hotel was lovely but the actual auditions were held in small rooms on one floor adjacent to guest rooms down another hall. The schools represented(Boston, CCM, Emerson, and others) were lined up one room after another. There was no place for anyone to sit except for the floor and you could hear all the auditions at the same time. The kids had opportunities to practice the dance segment in a seperate room but that was only confined to dance. The process took about 5 or 6 hours for only 2 schools even though they were fairly organized. There were about 25 or so students auditioning for each school. Some of these schools had orientation meetings for parents and some didn't. My daughter felt very comfortable with the Emerson staff but not with the CCM staff. In fact both schools had the directors from each school represented which was great. As a parent, I was talking to the Emerson staff and complimented them for making students feel relaxed and not intimidated. Her comment was that we are choosing to audition at these schools and why any school would intimidate a student would be rediculous, since a potential student might be turned off by this approach and consider another school better suited personally. All in all, it was a good experience and one that makes our children stronger because of it. My daughter decided to stay on the west coast and attend Cal State Fullerton's BFA musical theater program. This is an excellent program and ranked up there with UCLA. I hope this info helps your son or daughter when going through the process. Congrats
to everyone.

By Monkey (Monkey) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 09:23 pm: Edit

Ilmomsk,
My daughter attended the Cherub program in theatre at Northwestern the summer of 2002. It was truly a milestone in her training and an exceptional experience. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!

By Mtmomtok (Mtmomtok) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 09:44 pm: Edit

Bdwaygal - Thanks for your info. It really is helpful and I really appreciate it. I would like to hear more from regional auditions especially from anyone who has done any on the east coast.

Dancerboi04 - Since you auditioned in NYC for Syracuse and Hartt, can you tell us what is what like?

By Wct (Wct) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 10:28 pm: Edit

Bdwygal-

Will your daughter live in housing at CSUF? I gathered you lived up north. I know a lot of commuters but wondered how the dorm situation worked for those attending from farther away.

Does she have to wait until the end of her sophomore year to see if she gets into the BFA track?

By Dancerboi04 (Dancerboi04) on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 11:40 pm: Edit

Theatermom-

Yes I actually did find the info on Syracuse helpful (after about 10-15 mins of searching) Thanx for your honest opinion. Congrats to your daughter for her acceptance to Syracuse and UMich which I hear is a great program .

Meg2113-

Ur welcome, I meant every word.

Soozievt-

OMG, I actually really wish that I was in fact this Ian because he sounds like a very talented young man (Les Mis) But unfortunately im not. I am excited to meet him and everyone else in the freshman class. I will be sure to tell Ian J this story.

Mtmomtok-

OK so you would like to know what it was like auditioning NYC for Hartt and Syracuse, i guess as oppose to actually going on campus or do you mean just the fact of auditioning in NYC at all. Whatever it is specifically, I'll try to touch on it.
Well the my first audition was for Syracuse. It was in January, and NYC was very cold. Since I am from Jersey it was only 30 min train ride on a midtown direct. We didnt even have to take the subway, it was walikng distance from Penn station. I cant really remember which studio it was but I think it was ripley grier. Which is really cool cause you get to see alot of actors auditioning and rehearsing for broadway blah, blah, blah. Anyway, all the students and parents met for a meeting inside one of the studios and it was really informative, and they tried to provide you with as much info as possible being that we werent on campus. They asked us to fill out some papers, and asked if we had questions. We were then broken up into drama, MT students. I danced first. I thought the combo was really fun, and I liked the teacher. Others found it hard, although it wasnt impossible. My dance part went really well. Then came the singing and dance. Before i continue, I must say that I feel that the singing portion was just about the 2nd to wrost audition of my life. So singing came , and I chose to sang "Lost in the Wilderness" from Children of Eden. For those of you that know it, it is not an easy song at all. I started and the pianist messed it up so much, I wanted to die. She was about 2 measures behind. i couldnt sing it. My second song went well tho. I did my monolog which was abt 5-7 min, and it was suppose to be two min-lol. I knew of this rule but I kept to my guns and did the whole thing anyway until they stopped me, which they didnt. Anyway, they asked me questions and I asked them a few. (being not prepared and asking stupid questions.) I didnt care anymore so I rolled my eyes and left. I was sure I wasnt getting in. But for some strange reason I did Yay!!
LOL anyway Hartt- OK so this was on a unified audtion day. So it was a little different. There were alot of other schools there. So it was not as intimate as I would have liked it. Tho it was fun seeing some familiar faces and how other programs audiotned their students. Anyway, it was very early, and my call was in the first group. They told us to come in an hour earlier, however the Hartt faculty were abt 15 minutes late. There was no meeting or info session, you just audtioned as ur parents waited outside and then left. Oh yea they also did not offer a pianist so I had to record my songs on CD the day before, which was a hassle. So we danced first and there were like 2 other ppl besides myself. I actually loved the dance portion because it was from West side story and I love that musical, I was a shark in it last summer. But usually the teacher stops to judge us on the dance by watching us do it without him a few times. However, this was not the case, he just stopped in the middle of teaching and was like thats all while we all were expecting to show off our dance skills. i was disappointed because I am the person who usually marks stuff and kill it in the real showing. But anyway so, I sang my two songs from this small cd player. I also did my monolog, which had to be one minute long! That was ridiculous, so i tried to cut down a monolog I already knew in bits and pieces, which kinda worked out quite nicely. They did not ask me any questions, they just asked If I had any. Three was no feedback. I said thank you, and I left. It weas really rushed, so I wasnt really sure about Hartt at all.

I hope that i answered your questions. If I didnt, you can ask more specific ones.

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:08 am: Edit

MTMOMMY - NO, MY D HAS NOT GONE TO THE UCLA SUMMER PROGRAM BEFORE. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, FOR INSTANCE, HOW ADVANCED IS IT OR DO THEY GROUP THEM. ALSO, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE AGE? THANKS FOR THE INFO.

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:11 am: Edit

MTMOMMY - NO MY D HAS NOT GONE TO UCLA SUMMER PROGRAM BEFORE AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT. HOW OLD WERE THE KIDS FOR THE MOST PART AND HOW VARIED WAS THE TRAINING THAT THESE KIDS HAD GOING IN. THANKS FOR THE INFO.

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:16 am: Edit

BDWYGAL - I'VE BEEN CHECKING INTO FULLERTON - DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THERE IS INBETWEEN YOUR GE REQUIREMENTS TO TAKE YOUR MUSICAL THEATER CLASSES IN YOUR FRESHMAN AND SOPHMORE YEARS? I KNOW THEY DON'T ALLOW YOU TO AUDITION FOR THE MAJOR UNTIL BEFORE YOUR JR YEAR. WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT THIS.

By Mtmommy (Mtmommy) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:53 am: Edit

Catsmom--

My daughter had more fun at UCLA's program than she had at the month-long dance programs she attended for three years. She made such great friends--all in five days! But it's not a rigorous program at all. They don't break up by skill level. It's just to give them a flavor. Steve and Nancy are great! The dance teacher at UCLA didn't teach the dance portion--and the kids hated the one they used. I'd say it's only worth the money (expensive!) for the fun and to get to sing five days in the summer. But my daughter wants to go back to see her friends since she loved it so much. I noticed that they are giving college credit now, though, for the program, so maybe it's worth it for that. About Fullerton: my son goes there, but not in MT. The new dorms are gorgeous. They are apartments with full kitchens, decent living rooms with balcony, and two bathrooms. Pretty impressive, esp. considering how tiny most dorm rooms are. But you need to get on that waiting list July 1 or whenever it opens up; freshmen are last to get them. I don't know why my son ended up in the new dorms and haven't seen the old ones, so I can't jduge those. The director of MT at CSUF said that the kids do take all their MT courses freshman and sophomore years, but they also take all their GEs. He said most kids take about 25 units per semester! My son takes 12 and thinks he has more than enough school!

By Mtmommy (Mtmommy) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:56 am: Edit

Catsmom--
I forgot to answer your questions. The kids had various levels of training. The ages were all over. One friend of my daughter's can't come back this year because she's too old. She was 15 and there were a lot about her age, but many older and many younger as well. Any teen would be comfortable. I do think we got a flavor for the program from my daughter going there and from talking to the teachers later.

By Cato (Cato) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 10:49 am: Edit

Anyone know anything about the MT program at Texas Christian?

By Musicalthtrmom (Musicalthtrmom) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 01:57 pm: Edit

While we're still on the topic of audition material....did many of this year's auditioners hear Maury Yeston material being used at auditions?

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 03:29 pm: Edit

"While we're still on the topic of audition material....did many of this year's auditioners hear Maury Yeston material being used at auditions?"

While I'd like to be able to answer this, I'd like to remind everyone that in most on-campus auditions, neither parents nor students are able to watch/listen to other students auditioning. So other than by asking specific kids, we would have very little way of knowing what kids other than our own were singing or using for monologues. At Michigan, some parents hung around listening at the door when their child went in to audtion, but I think my daughter would have killed me if I did that. You could hear a little at NYU-Steinhardt, but we were totally separated at Emerson, Syracuse, CCM and CMU.

We didn't do any regional auditions, but from descriptions above, it does sound as though people who attended these auditions might have been able to hear auditioners as they sat in the hallways outside the rooms being used. But then again, we (the parents) would first have to be able to recognize the material (possible) and second, REMEMBER the material (getting harder all the time......). Sorry!

By Bdwygal (Bdwygal) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 03:42 pm: Edit

Wct and Catsmom-

Yes, we are from northern CA. and my daughter applied for housing at Fullerton back in Oct. We were told we would hear from them during the first week of May. They also said housing offers are given first priority to returning upper-classmen and transfers and then to freshmen based on when a student is admitted to the college and how early they applied for housing. Since we applied so early, they said my daughter is pretty high on the list. Considering there is space for only 700 students, I am still a little nervous about this situation. The newer dorms are given first priority to returning students but the other suites sound very nice. There are 6 students to a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, living room, and kitchen suite. No meal plans available in their housing. Looks like cooking 1A needs to start immediately unless there is a cook among the 6 students.

Regarding the GE and MT classes, they are taken at the beginning of their freshmen year. The director of the program states that unless it is done early, students will be behind in the major.
Their program is a BFA with liberal art courses taken at the same time, therefore creating little time for any extra-curricular activities. In fact, he said freshmen will be auditioning for upcoming productions the first 2 weeks of school and will officially audition for their BFA tract at the end of their soph. year. Their staff is very informative and willing to answer any questions that may arrise. We are pleased that our daughter will be staying on the west coast for a while. There are only 3 MT programs here, (UCLA, Fullerton and Chico). UCLA and Chico have only BA programs. I hope this info helps.

By Mtmommy (Mtmommy) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 04:31 pm: Edit

Sorry, I wasn't clear about Fullerton dorm registration. The registration actually begins back in July. I got my son on the waiting list the day it opened--months before he was accepted early decision (or whatever it was called). That way as a freshman, he did get the new dorms. It does take a lot of planning ahead for this. Most Fullerton students live off campus.

Bdwygal, I'm not sure what you mean by this: "Regarding the GE and MT classes, they are taken at the beginning of their freshmen year" Yes, they need to take their GE courses right along with their MT courses every single semester. Fullerton has a full load of GE courses (almost a full two years of courses). It's just that MT students are so work-oriented that they do both the GE courses and their MT courses. Students are also responsible for paying for their private voice classes the first two years; it is not part of the program because the program does not officially start until acceptance at the end of sophomore year. It's highly competitive to enter the program at that time--and there are still cuts afterward. This is because of the way the California state University system is set up and because of the amount of funds available to the program because of its placement within the CSU system (as opposed to the wealthy UC system of which UCLA is a part). The cut students are not turned away, but incorporated into the regular theater program.

By Bdwygal (Bdwygal) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 06:34 pm: Edit

Mtmommy-

I think we are on the same track regarding the dorms available, but when I called Fullerton last summer to inquire about an early paper application being sent to us, a rep from housing stated that we would have to wait until the on-line application was posted. Every time I checked to see if the on-line application was posted in July, Fall semester 2004 was not listed. This contradicts what occurred to my friend's daughter. They were able to apply with a paper application last summer and just received their housing offer yesterday in the mail. We didn't receive anything in the mail today and hopefully will on Monday. Housing made it clear that no one could apply early and that my daughter was high on their list. We only have until May 10 to respond once we hear from them. I understand they have sent out more offers than they can accomodate and we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Does your son like his room mates and how has he adjusted to dorm life?

By Mtmommy (Mtmommy) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 07:08 pm: Edit

My son likes everything (except his psychology teacher), including his roommates, but he wants to live in an apartment next year. The boys ended up cooking some, but they eat lots of Ramen!

By Oregondramamama (Oregondramamama) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 10:50 pm: Edit

Dramamama,
Congrats on your daughter's acceptance to Emerson MT. Was she cleared from the waitlist? Is that why you heard so late. Boston is a great place to go to school and I understand that they have a new MT director. My D may decide to audition there.

By Idontknow (Idontknow) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 10:56 pm: Edit

Thought I'd do a bit of question answering...

As far as regional auditions go... These auditions are usually done in hotels where each school gets a small conference room which is where the auditions take place. Usually schools will meet with the students in these rooms before the auditions begin and then if there is a dance audition the students will do their dance audition in the same room. With regional auditions it can be a bit interesting as most of the rooms are carpeted and do not have mirrors like you would find if you visited the actual school. Following the dance call students are taken individually into the room to sing and do monologues (or just sing). The waiting process for these auditions can be very short or very long, depending on what time your individual audition in scheduled for. Yes, at these auditions you can most often hear the other auditioners through the doors and waiting in crowded hotel hallways can be a bit of a pain, but if you don't want to travel to the school to audition regional auditions are a great way to go. Really it has nothing to do with where you audition and everything to do with what you bring to the audition. Every school handles their regional auditions a bit differently though and every regional audition I'm sure is a bit different due to the different hotels that are used. As far as the number of people that attend these regional auditions I know that the Chicago auditions usually have the most kids attend them and that LA and New York also have many people there as numerous schools are represented. Regional auditions are good if you don't mind doing a lot of auditions in one day and the pressures that that involves.

Audition Material... this of course is the biggest question that everyone wants to know... and the bottom line is that there is no "perfect" material. If a school tells you not to perform a song from a certain musical or a monologue from a certain play though, don't perform those pieces. Usually monologues from musicals are not the best bets for monologues as they aren't very good at showing range and are often not very "natural" and won't show your best side. Song choices are always tough, but standards are usually good bets... Gershwin... Rodgers and Heart... and some contemporary stuff is good too, but be careful about too much "Thoroughly Modern Millie" or Jason Robert Brown material as lots of it is overdone (not to say that I didn't do Jason Robert Brown stuff at my auditions... ) Also, Les Miserables, Miss Saigon, Phantom... all of those are probably shows to steer clear of for auditions. To find new interesting material sometimes its good to go to Amazon.com and just look up a musical and then look at the "people who bought this CD also bought..." to find good new material. Monologues... always make sure your monologue is from a play! Yes there may be books at Barnes and Noble called "the best monologues of 2000" but usually these are not from real plays and are frowned upon at auditions. Contemporary monologues are often the hardest to find... there's so many of them! A few good plays that have good authors and you can find other material from... "The Shape of Things" by Neil LaBute, "Picnic" by William Inge, and "Women and Wallace" by Jonathan Sherman. These authors are good... basically it takes going to the library, finding the section where the plays are and just reading and reading material. Lengthy process, but necessary to find GOOD material. Classical material is easier to find... Shakespeare is usually the best bet. If you want something that's not "Romeo and Juliet" look at shows like "As You Like It", "Trolius and Cressida", "The Two Noble Kinsmen" and "The Two Gentlemen of Verona"... I think all these have GREAT monologues for college auditions.

Hope this all helps someone out there... audition material and auditions are two subjects that could be discussed forever.

By Dramamama (Dramamama) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 11:58 pm: Edit

Oregondramamama,

Thanks. My daughter heard late because she is a transfer student and transfers at some schools seem to run on a different timeline. She was actually waitlisted there last year, but I do not believe they ever opened up their waitlist.

One major problem is with housing. They likely will NOT have housing for her. We will call on Monday and see what types of arrangements they make for kids when they cannot accomodate them in university housing. If the answer we get is not sufficient, I do not think we will pursue Emerson any longer. (She already has her money into U Arts) If the answer is reasonable, we may take a trip up there and look more closely although classes have already ended. That's unfortunate because with the other schools she considered, she was able to spend time in classes and meeting the students.

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 03:20 pm: Edit

Hey everybody,

Now that May 1st has come and gone, what do you say we start a separate thread (a sort of offshoot of this one) to declare the final decisions of this year's class of MT majors? I think it makes sense to separate it from this one as this discussion will continue on for who knows how long and the "2004/2008 MT Decision" thread should be finite. I'll get it started, so come on over and post your final decisions!

Of course, we will wait with baited breath for our waitlisters to join us in posting as soon as they know - we've all got our fingers crossed for you!!

If I knew how to generate a link to the new thread I would do it. Perhaps the moderator or someone who knows how that works on this board could create it. Thanks!

By Dancersmom (Dancersmom) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 04:56 pm: Edit

Congratulations to the class of 2004 here at CC MT who have been accepted at the following schools:

AMDA - Malloryr
Baldwin-Wallace – Djr (MT and voice), Txmommtpbd
Bard - Ayam
Boston Conservatory – Exlurker, Mnmom, Showstopkid, Showstopmom (are kid and mom related?)
Boston U (BFA Acting) – Dcmom3
California State Fullerton - Bdwygal
Catholic – Dcmom3, Meg2113
CCM (University of Cincinnati) – Djr (voice), Katiem, Mnmom
Carnegie Mellon – Djr (voice), Mnmom
Carnegie Mellon waitlist – Caitie531, Katiem, Musthtrdad
Chapman - Bonesata
DePaul BFA Acting - 5pants
Drake - Dramamama
Elon - Sarahsmom
Emerson – Dcmom3, Djr , Dramamama, Kls800, Theatermom
Florida State - Dancersmom
George Washington - Noshiksagoddess
Hartt (U Hartford)– Dancerboi04, Djr (voice), Dramamama, Gluemom, Millerqjpr, Newtothis, Sarahsmom, Showstopkid
Illinios Wesleyan - Theatredivasmom
Ithaca – Ayam, Dknysinger
Marymount Manhattan – Allthatjazz70, Sarahsmom, Showstopkid
U Miami - Caitie531, Mnmom
U Michigan – Gkoukla, Pferdie2, Theatermom
Millikin - Peggy
U Minnesota B A Drama – 5pants
Montclair State – Allthatjazz70
Muhlenberg - Ayam
NYU Steinhardt – Pferdie2, Theatermom
NYU Tisch - Gluemom, Jasmom, Kls800 (Atlantic), Meg2113, Mtheatremom (CAP21), Musthtrdad (CAP21), Valerie
Noshiksagoddess, Theatredivasmom (Strasberg)

U North Texas - Shauna
Northwestern - Noshiksagoddess
Oklahoma City U – Acavallo1, Momkallie, Mtclc, Mtheatremom, Nickdad, Txmommtpbd
U Oklahoma – Mtclc
Otterbein – Mikemaj (voice)
Pace - Showstopkid
Penn State - Dancersmom, Dknysinger, Newtothis
Point Park (Drama) - Dramamama
Point Park (MT) – Allthatjazz70, Dancersmom, Djr, Ohiomom46
Puget Sound - Bonesata
U Redlands - Bonesata, Lamom (School of Music)
Roosevelt - Katiem
Shenandoah - Allthatjazz70, Dramamama
SUNY Buffalo - Dramamama
SUNY Purchase - Katiem
Syracuse – Dancerboi04, Dknysinger, Theatermom
U Arts - Dknysinger, Dramamama
U California Irvine – Bonesata
UCLA – Valerie (BA drama)
UCSC - Bonesata
Wagner - Showstopkid
Webster - 5pants, Millerqjpr
Westminster - Dramamama

As before, please let me know about additions and corrections. Is this the final acceptance list?

By Dancersmom (Dancersmom) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 05:13 pm: Edit

Hi Everyone,

I hope you'll all visit the thread Theatermom has started. I'm sure there are many of us regulars who'd love to know what you seniors have decided. Just in case, I'm going to start a list here. Please add to it or visit: 2004/2208 MT Decision.

Dancerboi04 - Syracuse
Dancersmom - Florida State
Djr - CCM voice
Dramamama - U. Arts
5pants - Webster (twins!)
Gkoukla - U. Michigan (voice and MT)
Meg2113 - Catholic
Millerqjpr - Webster
Newtothis - Hartt
Peggy - Millikin
Shauna - U. North Texas
Theatermom - U. Michigan
Valerie - UCLA (BA drama)

Theatermom: I hope your attempt at a decision thread works better than mine did a couple of weeks ago! Thanks for starting it.

By Mtheatremom (Mtheatremom) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Hi Dancermom! Please add my D to NYU-Tisch (CAP21) for her decision!

By Dramamama (Dramamama) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 07:51 pm: Edit

Dancermom,

Thanks for organizing this. It's great to see where everyone will be!!! Also wonderful info for all the high school seniors to be....

By Valerie (Valerie) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:18 pm: Edit

Theatre/ Drama Colleges

For all that are interested. I have created a new thread for Theatre/Drama and all is topics related to Acting.

See "Theatre/Drama Colleges"

I hope many of you will contribute. There is a wealth of information shared here for the past two years that has much to offer others in the way of drama/Acting.

Again, thanks for all your support these last few weeks.

Valerie

By Oregondramamama (Oregondramamama) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:47 pm: Edit

Dramamama,
Was your daughter able to transfer w/some MT or acting credits or will she begin as a 1st year? My daughter will also apply as transfer next year but I'm not sure if any of her general ed. credits will transfer. Any advice or things you've learned about the transfer experience would be greatly appreciated!If anyone else can share on the transfer experience,please do...

By Sarahsmom (Sarahsmom) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:48 pm: Edit

whoops!! I didn't realize that there was now a part 15, and I posted this on part 14. I am copying my post here!

Best to everyone.

Dancersmom: can you add in that my daughter will be attending NYU Steinhardt this fall.

Here's my earlier post:
It has been a very busy month of April, and I haven't had time to visit or post on this site. I just want to update to late you know that my daughter, Sarah, has decided to attend NYU - Steinhardt program. She had some great offers from Hartt, MaryMount Manhattan and Elon, but NYU was clearly most exciting. Even though we looked at Tisch vs Steinhardt carefully for a long time prior to applying, and I thought the Steinhardt program was a terrific program, I had some reservations about the heavy music emphasis...although I must admit it may have also been a little bit of 'buyers remorse', or may be a bit anxiety about the expense. However, in reflecting, it is a small (about 20 students), tightknit, faculty-based program, with faculty who have been Bdwy directors, Tony nominated actors, and Met.Opera soloists. The musical/voice training is exemplary, and the acting training is strong, dance training seems adequate, however opportunities to get more dance training are very readily available. She has also worked out a co-major in drama education, so she is very excited about having so many of her interests met. She is excited about the liberal arts training in such a strong, and activist type of university.Best of all, is going to school in the city, with its very close connections in Bdwy, nat tour, and other theater and music venues. Her next choice in consideration was Hartt, which is somewhat more conservatory style, and perhaps a bit more balanced across music,drama,dance, however the universities were not at all comparable. Mostly however, we live in the Hartford area, and she has grown up there, and has studied in the Hartt community division since she was a young child. She felt a need to move on to a new and exciting space to grow. It was tough to turn down a generous scholarship and take on the expense of NYU, however for so many reasons it felt the right thing to do.

For those of you going to Hartt who may want information on the community, please feel free to contact me directly via email. I would be happy to give specific info on the city and town (UHartford is actually in West Hartford, CT - which is one of the very best towns in CT, quite vibrant, upscale, intellectual and very safe), what to do, where to stay, where to eat!!

My best to all who has taken on this challenge this year, and I hope that all flourish in their chosen programs. To all who are getting ready for the process next year, good luck. This board has been very helpful, although I do believe the emphasis on the very few elite programs can be misleading and will set many talented kids for a heartbreak. Remember that in addition to being very well prepared, one must have grit, be hard-skinned, and realize that there is a randomness to the process. It has been said here that it is important to have "it", well I believe that different judges define "it" quite differently, and furthermore many programs are fitting together a company, so where one falls in the needs of the company they are creating may be an important variable, no matter how talented one may be. I encourage everyone to audition to as many places as you can muster and afford, start early if you can, apply to some early action - it is relieving if you can get an early acceptance under your belt early in the process, and apply to a range of places - not just the elite or the near-elite. Best of all, keep your perspective and sense of humor, get your rest and stay healthy!

It would be great if users of this board who are now accepted or enrolled in programs can post occasionally on how they find their program - their experiences and the pros and cons.

As for me, a parent of a driven and aspiring singer and musical theater actress who I have painstakingly led thru this process for several years, I now am ready for a rest. I will take some time to consider my next ventures now that I will have so much more free time! But I will miss this exciting time, getting so intimate with the process, the profession, and seeing my child grow into such a talented and strong young adult.

Best to everyone..........

By Theatermom (Theatermom) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 11:06 pm: Edit

Hearty congrats to Sarahsmom (NYU Steinhardt) and to 5pants (twin sons going to Webster). Thanks for posting your results on the MT Decisions thread! Your ongoing contributions to this discussion have been invaluable. And thanks to Sarahsmom for the thoughtful post about broadening the options and keeping things in perspective.

All three students seem to have found wonderful programs that already feel like home. How exciting! I know we will all do our best to help next year's crop the way we've been helped. How incredibly successful these kids have been and how lucky we are as parents.

By Mtmomtok (Mtmomtok) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 08:25 am: Edit

I feel that this thread is winding down (I'm sad about that, but happy for all of you). I started reading it when it was on part 7 and tried to keep up with the current as I read the beginning as well. I remember checking it all the time and it was always so full. Now I check and the postings are far apart in time. Maybe now my daughter can catch up with it. It's all been so interesting and informative. Many college counselors don't have one-quarter of the information posted on these threads. I told my daughter's counselor about this site and she is even going to refer to it on the weekly student newsletter. I hope you guys continue to post about your experiences in your programs. That is something I shall look forward to. I'll be going through the process myself next school year. I don't think the information on these thread can be replicated and I believe we will probably have to continue to post here for the class of 2009.

By Act_One (Act_One) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 11:13 am: Edit

Sarahsmom,
I would like to know what you and Sarah think about Steinhardt vs. the Cap 21 program? Did financial aid play a part in your decision? My son is a junior, so we will start applying to schools in the fall.

By Jasmom (Jasmom) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 12:54 pm: Edit

Dancersmom,
Just to add my S's final decision. Didn't get 1st choice studio placement (NYU Tisch's Cap 21), but is thrilled (so far) with placement in Playwrights Horizons. Plans to supplement the program with extra dance classes and elective voice training. Thank's to all who have contributed to this thread.

By Catsmom (Catsmom) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 01:42 pm: Edit

DOES ANYONE HAVE A LIST OF THE MT COLLEGES WITH EARLY ACTION OR EARLY DECISION FOR THOSE OF US STARTING THIS PROCESS IN THE FALL?

By Dknysinger (Dknysinger) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 02:11 pm: Edit

I will be attending PSU in the fall. I kept on going back and forth between ITHACA and PSU, they have so much in common, but are so different at the same time. ITHACA has a great rep in the business and has the "ITHACA Mofia" to take care of its grads. The college is small and tuition driven. PSU's name is getting bigger and bigger with each incoming class and has faculty members who are in constant national demand. It's a huge campus and on football saturdays everyone gets into the spirit. So what do you do? I used every factor avaiable to make this choice. From the college town to the different activities on campus. Both schools keep their MT classes small, which I have wanted from the start.(Under 15) Also, PSU's tuition is under half of Ithaca's, but the training is just as good, if not better. I'll leave PSU college loan free, ready to go out into the world WITH AN MT DEGREE. Just by walking around the PSU campus it felt right. I guess I'm making a choice to go against the norm and really invest in a blooming program with an excellent faculty.

SIDE NOTE::::I was just in NYC and got the chance to see a few shows; Wicked and Little Shop of Horrors. Both had Ithaca grads as leads, talk about getting cold feet. I kept reminding myself the reasons y I sent the deposit to PSU. After Little Shop I got the chance to talk with Kerry Butler, an ithaca grad. In so many words she said that while she loved her time at ITHACA, a BFA will only get you so far, the rest is up to YOU!

By Wct (Wct) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 02:11 pm: Edit

Mtmomtok-

I wouldn't worry about the thread winding down. I have been on it since my son was doing his auditions the year before this!! We will be starting our third year of the application/ audition process on this thread!

By Soozievt (Soozievt) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 02:39 pm: Edit

If it is possible ...can we start a PART 16 for this wonderful thread? Whenever these threads get much past 100 posts, I have a VERY difficult time getting it to work. It screws up when I go to scroll down the page. It took me forever to get on this one today. So, whoever can do that, I would appreciate it.

I have been reading CC for about 18 months cause I have a daughter who is now a senior. While on CC, I kept reading THIS thread on MT, cause of a younger daughter who will be applying to MT programs. Now one is done the process and one has begun it so I really want to keep reading this thread cause I am no longer just mildly interested for the future as I once was on the MT thread but now I actually have one DOING the musical theater college process.

Susan

By Prima_Donna (Prima_Donna) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 05:17 pm: Edit

Just wondering, to all parents out there. How talented do you consider your kids? I'm just trying to gauge the competition. Are they absolutely amazing already, or do they have great potential? Please, be honest. I'm trying to decide whther it is worth the effort to audition for a singing program, considering I've only just started singing and acting. I'm a soon-to-be senior. I'd love to try Opera. I've never had a lead in a show. Any advice? Should i let it affect me or should i just keep going? I think I'll just keep going, but what do you do if you've never been complimented or told you have talent? Do you just keep on, despite what people say? I've never seen any evidence of my singing being great, or even good. I clam up in front of people. I only feel that inside I have talent and I love the magic of the theatre. I'm just very self conscious and have a hard time letting myself go. Any advice for a girl who feels confused as to whther or not she can really make it? I think I'll go for it anyway, but just looking for some insight.

By Dramamama (Dramamama) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 05:58 pm: Edit

Oregondramamama,

My daughter will transfer with her general ed credits but not with her one acting and one ballet class. She only did one semester and then realized that she wanted to reapply and go through the entire process again. In order for her to do this, she had to leave school in December. That gave us time to find vocal coaches, acting coach, select songs, monologues and travel for auditions. She could not have done as thorough a job if she had still be in school (she was a 10 hour drive away from home). Based on her having just heard from two schools (NYU and Emerson), I strongly suggest finding out from the schools if transfer students are notified later than high school seniors. In both these two cases my daughter heard well after everyone else. While she wasn't accepted to NYU (she only applied for Cap21), she was accepted to Emerson and now it is too late for her to go and visit and see classes, talk with students, etc. Had we known in advance that she would be hearing so late, we would have taken a trip to these schools to spend some time in case she got in. Also, know that Emerson (in case that's on your list) does not guarantee housing for transfer students. We called today and there is NO chance she will get housing. For my daughter, who will basically start as a freshman, this is a real negative. She really wants that whole freshman experience and living in an apt. 15 minutes away from the campus is probably not going to cut it for her. Had we known this we probably would have selected another school to apply to.

By Dancersmom (Dancersmom) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 05:59 pm: Edit

Everyone,
I have started a 16th page. Moderator, could you please create a link between page 15 and page 16? Thanks in advance.

By Shauna (Shauna) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 06:29 pm: Edit

CONTINUED AT PART 16.

Shauna

By Harttmom (Harttmom) on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 10:19 pm: Edit

I stumbled across this site and saw lots of comments and questions about Hartt. My daughter just finished her second year there as a MT and LOVES it. I went back and saw both productions she was in this year and they were quite amazing.