Is Miami U (Ohio) worthy of Public Ivy status?





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By Evan195 (Evan195) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 08:14 pm: Edit

What is the consensus regarding Miami University (Ohio). I see that it is a public ivy, but seriously is this school on the same academic level as UC Berkely?

By Flyguy (Flyguy) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 08:15 pm: Edit

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By Chrisd (Chrisd) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 08:28 pm: Edit

No. It is a better than average state school, but not comparable to UMich, UVa, etc.

By Yodisistim (Yodisistim) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 08:48 pm: Edit

In the early years, I've heard that Miami Univ. was definitely at its prime (1980's). However, in comparing admission requirements with the highly regarded ivies listed in the threads above, Miami U, does not compete. (Especially with Berkeley).

By Chrisd (Chrisd) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 08:57 pm: Edit

I think part of the Ivy comparison is architectural. Miami is a very beautiful traditional campus, with lots of brick colonial style buildings. In the fall, with the seasonal color changes, it is a picture-perfect campus.

By Evan195 (Evan195) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 01:58 am: Edit

Speaking strictly academics, how does Miami compare to UCís such as Santa Cruz and Irvine?

By Collegeparent (Collegeparent) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:21 am: Edit

It's comparable, but again you need to look at the curriculum and course catalogues of what you want to study and see which of these schools give you what you want. Also, are there particular professors you want to study with? What kind of campus do you want? Only you know where you want to be.

By Collegeparent (Collegeparent) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:23 am: Edit

One more thing about Miami of Ohio -- There are those graduates who will vehemently defend the high caliber of academics to be found there. Does it rank among the top "public Ivies?" Probably not, but it could fall within the next tier confidently. Also, people who do well there get into the top graduate schools, if that helps.

By Barrons (Barrons) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:58 am: Edit

Not hardly. It might be a poor man's William and Mary at best but lacks the depth and breadth of any of the major top state flagship schools.

By Pattykk (Pattykk) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 04:48 pm: Edit

For what it's worth, many of my daughter's high school teachers attended Miami U. They are bright young people, generally moderate to conservative, very dedicated teachers, Midwest nice. They are not risk-takers or intensely intellectual for the most part. Many do community service and are idealistic about helping others. The art majors are more liberal (Duh). Miami U. produces solid citizens and nice people, from what I have seen. Definitely on the preppy side. I think the public Ivy stuff is a bunch of hooey.

By Jamimom (Jamimom) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:50 pm: Edit

In the Ohio, WV, Pittsburgh tri-state area, Miami U has an excellent reputation. Here on the east coast, many have not heard of the school and confuse it with U of Miami. So I would say it has a very strong regional reputation.

By Thunderbird (Thunderbird) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 02:25 am: Edit

Is Miami University a "Public Ivy". Well yes! Why do you think it appears in all of the experts' books as such? Ivy League has always meant more than simply high school rank selectivity. It has meant: tradition, history, influence, connections, academic quality.

Miami was at one point in the 19th century the 4th largest university after Harvard, Yale, and Dartmouth. Miami, was the home of Willian Holmes McGuffy, who wrote his famous readers while a professor of education at Miami. The McGuffey Readers were used almost exclusively in American education until WWI. President Benjamin Harrison was a Miami grad (one of only 13 colleges that produced a President in that century - and of those 13 only 4 were public universities: William & Mary, UNC-Chapel Hill, West Point & Miami). In short, Miami was an influential institution in the 19th century.

(Like William & Mary, Miami was actually a private school until after the Civil War. Devestated by the war, both institutions were resurrected by their respecteive states.)

Moreover, it is known as the "Mother of Fraternities", and the "Miami Triad" of Sigma Chi, Beta THeta Pi, Phi Delta Theta are among the most prestigious fraternities in the country. OK, this evidently doesn't mean much to Flyboy who laces his discussion with profanity. So what, it means a lot to a great many people and opens a lot of doors. This is what many people look for in college besides "the ultimate lab nerd" experience. People who aspire to shape the world must deal with people on a social level - it isn't all 800 SAT types who are among the most desired prospects in corporate America.

Classes are small and personal at this selective institution (vs. UCLA & Berkeley where you are taught by TAs). It has a georgeous campus, excellent faculty, and an overall impecable reputation. Quite a few top students prefer this experience to the much touted, but, let's face it, impersonal and you're a number experience of a UCLA. Remember, we are talking undergraduate education, not graduate school.


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