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i'm currently at USC and i want to try and transfer to a school closer to home (MN).

My favorite two schools were Northwestern and Washington University but both are pretty big stretches (Northwestern turned down both my freshman and transfer app).

Can anyone give me schools that are sort of right below them? You know, i want to transfer to a school i like (smilar to those) as well as good as possible so i guess i have to go a little less than a rung lower than them, can anyone reccomend any schools like them but a "tad" easier to get into?

Yeah, so basically what i'm asking is for someone to approximate a school that's close to Wash-U or Northwestern but right below them in selectivity so it's a little easier to get into.....so i can have more schools to apply to. Since i'm trying to be very careful that i only apply to schools that i'm passionate about (but at the same time apply to more schools that i have better chance of getting in to).

By Thedad (Thedad) on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 07:02 pm: Edit

Carelton and Macalester, for starters. Oberlin and Grinnell and Kenyon for other starters. Maybe U-Wisconsin/Madison if you want another "big" school. I'm not wild about a lot of the other "bigger" schools in the region that are easier to get into; Michigan State seems to have an atmosphere similar to USC...heavy on the parties, Greek scene, etc. Bleah.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 07:53 pm: Edit

that's semi helpful. Carlton sounds nice.

but there's a couple things. Firstly i dont think Carleton is any easier to get into, actually it might be harder, as i'm told it's one of the top Liberal Arts schools in the nation.

Secondly, alot of those schools are liberal arts schools, i was looking for a school that at least presented the possiblity of a business school.

Of course, like i already noted, if i got inot a school as good as Washington University i'd be more than willing to take the risk of being in liberal arts (even though i could try to get into their business program later......because they do have one).

Madison is ok, but not good enough for me to be fine with being in their liberal arts program. The campus is too big for me to be ok with getting stuck in that program (since they absolutely require you to be in liberal arts befroe you apply to their business program).

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 01:23 pm: Edit

How about the University of Denver? They have an excellent business program and only about 4,000 undergraduates.

By Cruella (Cruella) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 07:22 pm: Edit

How about Miami University in Ohio? It's not that hard to get into, it's one of the 8 original public Ivies and the tuition isn't as bad as some.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 08:58 pm: Edit

i've heard of public ivies but never knew exactly what they meant. I guess it sounds ok, but i bet i could get into the other public ivies also, and i've never really heard about Miami of ohio, plus i wouldnt look forward to the explanation i'd hjave to give every time i say i went there (how it isnt really in Miami).....it's bad enough i have to explain the transfering.

By Sooky6 (Sooky6) on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 11:12 pm: Edit

Miami of Ohio is a great suggestion. It has an excellent reputation, even here out east where the competition is tough. I would add Vanderbilt and Rhodes, Gettysburg, and University of Richmond. I'd add also that liberal arts degrees are great preparation for business careers and MBA programs, unless you want something very specific such as accounting. I work for a firm that does both public policy analysis and market strategy consulting, and my colleagues are mostly LAC graduates with majors like French, History, East Asian Studies, Geology, Physics, etc. (I majored in history at Skidmore, masters in public policy from Harvard.) High grades from good schools and demonstrated interest in the material is what we look for. It may be that a business program is right for you, but don't limit yourself unnecessarily.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 12:33 am: Edit

ok, it's one thing to reccomend schools, but dont try and push me away from the business program, i'm NOT limiting myself unecesarily. I really would rather major in business, i've taken the math classes for a BS degree and i frankly think i've earned it. Plus, a liberal arts degree usually requires a language and i already sort of fulfilled that requirment that the math replaced, i'd be pretty sore if i was forced to fulfill a language reuirment now, on top of the fact that i want to major in business anyhow.

some of those other schools were technically good suggestions, but TN is a little far for schools of that level, there are probably closer schools of that calibur that i could attend.

By Sooky6 (Sooky6) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 08:33 am: Edit

I believe all the schools I mentioned have business programs -- I have no interest in pushing you away from anything, just expanding your list if it makes sense. I guess it doesn't. Best of luck to you!

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 12:01 pm: Edit

Being gracious is an important skill to develop if you want to succeed in business. On this thread and the other thread you started, you ask for recommendations and then totally dismiss all the recommendations people make without so much as a "thank you for your help." You asked for recommendations, you got them -- no need to be rude if the recommendations aren't what you are expecting.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 12:10 pm: Edit

Amen.

By Woogiewilly25 (Woogiewilly25) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 01:30 pm: Edit

What about Bentley or Babson? I got into Bentley, great school, esp. for business...

By Spincut (Spincut) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 02:26 pm: Edit

amen? ooook. I said that the schools werent for me, beleive me i wasnt being rude, if i was you would know.

I think you have business mixed up with a miss america pagent or a southern bell contest. Being graceful isn't nearly as high a priority as being tough and not whining just becasue someone didnt say thank you. I'm sorry that that made you upset, but if that's something that bothers you so much and you consider THAT rude, you should be the last person telling someone about how they need to act in the businss world.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 02:35 pm: Edit

if i didnt beleive the suggestion was good i didnt consider it, i dont have to give someone a lollypop no matter what they say and the last thing i need is someone lecturing me about the lack of "grace" i show to people that are making college suggestions just because you dont appreciate a simple "no" and take offense.

as always i appreciate suggestions, but when people mention a school that isnt for me, be it too much of a stretch to get into, or just not something i'd want to consider, i wont consider it. By far the only rude thing i see is you getting oversensitive about my lack of saying "thank you".

but since it obviously bothers you so much, then, "thank you" for your "suggestions", even if i didn't consider every single one of them. Of course, that doesnt include the part where you whined that i need to be nicer to you if i want to be a business major, that was just petty.

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 02:55 pm: Edit

Spincut - I have an MBA, over 30 years of experience in the business world, and have held executive positions in Fortune 500 corporations. Believe me when I say graciousness is an important business skill, as is an ability to accept suggestions and constructive criticism politely. Good luck to you.

By Thedad (Thedad) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 03:11 pm: Edit

Actually, I think USC is the perfect place for him.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 05:19 pm: Edit

i did accept them politely, but when i thought they werent for me i said why, i was not rude to anyone.

what isnt polite is making presumptions about someone for poor or incorrect reasoning, like Thedad. Who obviously has a pretty low opinion of the people at USC although i have doubts that he knows anything about the people there beyond petty generalizations. Childish and support jabs such as that make me only wonder why he's still posting, i looked over your suggestions and evaluated them, if what i said in response was rude then i guess it's just not possible for me or anyone to be any nicer other than lying to you by saying i loved everything you listed and i'm eligible to get into all of them, wich sounds like you want to hear.

Carolyn, although wrong about my attitude is at least saying something, Thedad's just using it as a chance to get some jabs in, and THAT's rude.

it's almost equally as important to be able receive feedback on your suggestions and not take it as an insult like i said it was all useless (wich i didn't).

By Brussell (Brussell) on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 05:37 pm: Edit

Case Western seems like your best bet.

By Balkanman21 (Balkanman21) on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 01:55 am: Edit

Jeez, leave the poor kid alone! Spincut was not being rude at all; he was merely being straightforward in his responses to your suggestions (which, it seems, he is very thankful for).

Spincut:
Do not pay any attention to Thedad. His comments, as you can see, are both unconstructive and arrogant. The truth is, this guy knows absolutely nothing, expect putting down good, diligent, ambitious students. Some of the schools mentioned above are good suggestions in my opinion. Tell me, apart from wanting to be closer to home, is there anything else about life at USC that you dislike? Are there any other reasons behind your desires to leave USC and transfer to another school?

By Spincut (Spincut) on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 04:12 am: Edit

i had a bad experience my first year at USC for one. I also dont like the neighborhood. The campus is nice but the fact that you have to go across town to where the other university is to have a good time stinks, and it makes the campus really desolate and boring. I also dont like the negative attention the schools gets. Sure, i dont like it, but unlike most people that berate it, i actually WENT there and the observations i make about it are alot more accurate. I get a little tired of everyone assuming i or anyone who goes to USC is spoiled, as it's quite the contrary. Most colleges have its detractors but i've never seen more venom get spat at a place.

Also, i had originally thought that atfer 1 year of college that i would have BETTER chances to get into other schools as i did out of high school, since the college i really wanted to go to was Northwestern. Well, at least in my case, i was wrong.

USC has a very bad curve, and i found myself more than once in the situation where although i deserved an A, i wasnt able to receive one because only a select amount of A's could be distributed. It's bad enough that this is making it hard for me transfer, i really wouldnt want it to effect getting into graduate school, wich i really feel like i'd want to do at this point, if at least to get a different college experience.

Anyhow, It's a little upsetting to know that USC lowered my chances instead of bettering them, as Northwestern had already turned me down a second time.

Aside from Northwestern though, Washington University was another school i found to be very nice, in size, programs and location. Unofrtunately even that is a stretch, even has a liberal arts applicant over a business school one.

I had been eying Indiana, as its business school is in the top 10, but you actually have to go to their liberal arts school first, wich runs the risk of getting stuck in it, wich would NOT be good. NYU is something i began to consider, but that's really not any easier to get into than Washington Univerty, probably harder (and it is a bit like USC, although it's locale isn't AS bad i'd say it would be worthwhile).

Point being my options became more limited at this point and it kind of stinks since i had much higher prospects a year ago.

and thanks for speaking up. It can get tiresome for someone to unecesarily demand more of a certain reaction out of me than than they should, especially when they push questionable qualifications at me as a the reason they think the request is any more valid.

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 03:17 pm: Edit

Spincut - Indiana will allow you to transfer directly into the school of business if you have 26 or more credit hours.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 05:19 pm: Edit

........wait.....carolyn are you SURE about this? it's Indiana-Bloomington.

because look at this link:

http://www.indiana.edu/~iuadmit/transfer/ac_majors.shtml

i'll even put the text from it for you:

"University Division"
You will be admitted into the University Division if:

You are undecided about your major
You have completed fewer than 26 semester hours of transferable work
You are eligible for admission to IU, but not to your proposed major
You have not fulfilled the requirements for admission to your proposed degree program
You know your projected area of study is:
Allied Health Sciences
Athletic Training
"Business"
Dental Hygiene
Informatics
Journalism
Kinesiology—All-Grade Teacher Preparation
Nursing
Optometric Technology/Opticianry
Social Work
Sport Marketing and Management
E-mail or call (812) 855-6768 for more information

i'm pretty sure university division means the college of arts and sciences......but if you can refute this please do, it would make me very happy to be wrong about this.

By Carolyn (Carolyn) on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 05:23 pm: Edit

Sorry Spincut - you are right. Looks like for business it's the university division. However, don't let that discourage you necessarily - write to the admissions director for transfers and ask how many transfers ultimately make it into the business school. Sorry for giving you midleading information.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 05:25 pm: Edit

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By Spincut (Spincut) on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 05:27 pm: Edit

"Transfer students must apply and be admitted to Indiana University and enroll through the University Division for at least their first semester on campus. Transfer students are eligible to apply for business admission after they have completed a minimum of one semester on the Bloomington campus and all business admission courses. "

http://www.indiana.edu/%7Ebulletin/iub/business/2002-2004/program.html#poltran

from the school of business page. Copy thr whole link, including the #poltran

By Candi1657 (Candi1657) on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 05:43 pm: Edit

Spincut-You have a bad attitude.

By Spincut (Spincut) on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 05:46 pm: Edit

if that's all you have to say then i could say the same thing to you as i dont have a bad attitude and your need to say that at this point only means you want to be a further distraction.

that's too bad carolyn, it would have been a good thing if they accepted admissions directly. Sure i'll call up and ask about how hard it is to transfer into, but a risk is a risk. Going to the IU businss school would be great, but getting turned down and stuck in Liberal Arts would suck....it would suck alot.