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what schools offer the best undergrad business program and cost within 25K for international students (including everything)? Thanks

By Timpcrk87 (Timpcrk87) on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 06:18 pm: Edit

Some good public universities are:

Cal-Berkeley
Indiana-Bloomington
Wisconsin-Madison
N. Carolina-Chapel Hill
Texas-Austin

Michigan and Virginia are really good but they charge more than private schools for out-of-state students.

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 08:09 am: Edit

But these schools are way expensive for international students. Their tuition go way beyond 25K.

Anybody else?

By Barrons (Barrons) on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 09:39 am: Edit

If you plan to work in the US, it really is important to go to the higher ranked schools. Grads of lower ranked schools do not get the good jobs.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 02:37 pm: Edit

Grads of lower ranked schools do not get the good jobs..... it's about who you know, not what you know, regardless of your diploma. As long as you're going to a top 100 school you're fine in terms of being able to find a job. Even if you went to a school like Cal State - hayward you can get a pretty decent job.

By Barrons (Barrons) on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 04:53 pm: Edit

What if you are Joe from another country--or even an average middleclass American kid without big connections--which is about 90% of the US population?? It is a fact that the best firms only recruit at top 10 or top 25 schools. If you think not, go look at the recruiting at Michigan business vs somewhere like Colorado State.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 10:49 pm: Edit

Yeah if you graduate from Michigan Business, things will be handed to you on a silver platter. But in all honesty, if you wanted to go outside and make connections, it could be done at Colorado state. For instance, you could get an internship for the summer etc. I can tell you right now that Colorado State is ranked higher (99) than LMU/Gonzaga (112) and I know for a FACT they recruit at LMU and Gonzaga. Considering, i'm only a high school senior, i've never gone through college and seen the recruiting system/i've never had to get a job to support myself, my opinion may not hold but anyeways. In all honesty, I think the location you want to work in, makes all the difference, because if you want to land a job in Colorado somewhere, I think you'd be able to pull it off, no problem with a CSU degree. But lets say you wanted to get a job in Florida, or Maine, you might have a much more a difficult time. Of course with a Michigan Business degree, you could land a job anywhere in the Country.

Just my 2 cents

By Whereshouldigo1 (Whereshouldigo1) on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 12:25 am: Edit

My dad went to the University of Tennessee, not known for it's law. He finished in the top 10 % of his law class, but was still given a job at a very elite firm. My point is that if you go to a moderately high ranked law school, and do well, you should have not trouble finding a job.

By Collegeparent (Collegeparent) on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 12:37 am: Edit

Case in point: an extremely prominent multinational law firm based in Washington with offices in major U.S. and European cities will only recruit from seven law schools -- and will consider no one from anywhere else. The seven are Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Michigan, Georgetown, Virginia and Columbia.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 03:24 am: Edit

They won't hire anyone from Boalt? Yeah my uncle went to IU - bloomington, not known for law and had the oppertunity to serve on the supreme court and works for a very elite firm in Indianapolis. But anyways, lets not clog this thread up with information about law schools and go back to the OP's topic of undergraduate business schools for cheap.

By Collegeparent (Collegeparent) on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 09:50 am: Edit

Asked the head European recruiter about both Cal Berkeley (Boalt) and Duke and they said they had to cut it off somewhere.

Anyway, you're right about getting off topic.

There have been several threads about undergraduate business programs in this forum. They were within the past week or so and are easy to find. Suggest you check these out.

By Gameguy56 (Gameguy56) on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 09:54 pm: Edit

geez, cutting off "SOMEWHERE" does not include cal and duke?, I bet they probibly think uChicago and NYU law grads should be mopping their floors and shining their shoes.

Anyway, on the topic

Good inexpensive undergrad buisiness schools in the USA
Some that have not ben mentioned are(in no order)...

Ohio State University-Columbus
Purdue Univ.-West Lafayette
Univ. of Minnesota-Twin Cities
U. of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
Univ. of Southern California

By Vulcano (Vulcano) on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 11:22 pm: Edit

Good lord, USC is most definetely not cheap, in fact, nor is Ohio State or Illinois.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 01:55 am: Edit

You should look at some of the California States (if you're going to be applying next year). Good business programs and relatively cheap even though there is a budget chrisis of sorts in California.

By Philvid2 (Philvid2) on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 04:03 pm: Edit

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Penn State's Smeal College. US News ranks several of its majors in the top 10 and the whole school ranks in the top 20. They are also building a kick ass new building that will help recruit better students and staff. Also, Penn State is better known worldwide than a lot of the schools listed above. The Honors College is also really good if you can get into it (that would also help to keep cost down as every student in the honors college gets a several thousand dollar scholarship).

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 12:14 am: Edit

Hey all,

Thanks for so many suggestions, I honestly appreciate them all.

Philvid2,

Thanks for a great idea. For some reason, I always thought Penn State is an expensive school, fortunately I was wrong. I will definetely apply, if the deadline has not passed yet.

I have already applied to UT at Austin ( late app ), and I am about to apply to UGA (deadline: April 1).

Thanks again everyone..

Anybody else??

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 12:25 am: Edit

Philvid2,

WoW! Penn State.. I am so excited!! I will definetely apply, but they have so many campuses.. and they are still accepting applications. So which campus should I choose???

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 12:35 am: Edit

Princeton Review:
University Park is the only decent campus, and I am assuming the major campus... the Tuition ONLY is $20,600, it is a little expensive for me. As room+meal will round up to about $6-7K and plus my own personal expenses. Around 30-35K in Total. uhh well..

Correct me if I am wrong! Thanks

By Dstark (Dstark) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 02:39 am: Edit

Arizona and Arizona State.

By Philvid2 (Philvid2) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 11:41 am: Edit

Penn State has rolling admissions so it is not too late. I checked Penn State's web site and they said that cost for an international student is between 25,000 to 34,000. If you get in the honors college, it may be too late for that, your cost should be less than 30,000. You are right that State College is the best campus by far.

By Philvid2 (Philvid2) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 11:56 am: Edit

PSU has a cost calculator on their web site at http://tuition.psu.edu/CostEstimate.asp

The only problem with it is that the out of state tuition rate is last years. You have to add about $2,000 to the total it gives you.

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 01:15 pm: Edit

Philvid2,

Sorry, but I had to drop it from my list. The overall cost definetely exceeds my budget, with 5-10,000. The schools seems to be a great place to get a quality education, but again, expensive. Thanks so much for your effort though. I do appreciate it.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 04:45 pm: Edit

U of Arizona, eller school of business, check it out for sure.

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 05:15 pm: Edit

DStark & Savedbythebell7,

Actually, I have done some research on both ASU and U of AZ, early this Fall.

I was going to apply, and I still might (Deadline March 1), however, this far I have hesitated to do so.

I do not know a lot of about AZ state, although it may seem strange to you all, the first image that comes to mind when I think about that place is a desert with a vast population of mexicans. It is not that I do not like Mexicans, just I would like to experience a real American college life, with Americans in it.

Could you please elaborate more about these Universities. I am more interested in ASU -I like big cities.

Thanks.

By Datadigit1 (Datadigit1) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 05:34 pm: Edit

I can provide a bit of input as to name recognition of Penn State outside the United States. I have spent a lot of time outside the states (in Europe mainly) and was totally surprised at how well people recognized the name Penn State. Outside of the US nobody has heard of a lot of the "top" schools but PSU has name recognition easily on par with any other school in the states. And no they're not confusing it with U.Penn in fact, if anything when people talk about U.Penn a lot of people thought they were talking about Penn State. Just a little input in that department for those coming from abroad.

With the exception of Harvard and Yale, the Ivys don't cary very much name recognition outside the states, and although U. Penn has an excellent buisness school, see the previous comment about U.Penn often being confused with PSU, which probably has better name recognition.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 05:36 pm: Edit

U of A, is something like 80 percent white, most kids come from out of state, over 50 percent. So as long as you're in the campus area of U of A, you'll be surrounded by Americans and not mexican immigrants.

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 05:38 pm: Edit

The reason I applied to Arizona over ASU, is the fact that UoA has more of an Academic reputation than that of ASU and i've noticed recruiters prefer UoA students.

By Xiggi (Xiggi) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 05:40 pm: Edit

I do not know a lot of about AZ state, although it may seem strange to you all, the first image that comes to mind when I think about that place is a desert with a vast population of mexicans. It is not that I do not like Mexicans, just I would like to experience a real American college life, with Americans in it.

For some reason, this made me laugh for a good five minutes and made my day!

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 05:58 pm: Edit

Hey..

what do you expect from a guy who has never been there!?

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 06:03 pm: Edit

Savedbythebell,

So how do you like there so far? I just checked on Princetonreview, and you are absolutely right! Academics rank in ASU is 68(!!!!!), although UoA is not that great too 72. But I know for a fact, that both schools are in Top tier.. correct me if I am wrong.

So that will definetely be something to consider. And i was wrong about the deadline, it is all the way until May, 1.

Is notification on rolling basis in UoA?

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 07:39 pm: Edit

Yeah both schools are in top tier, especially for business. Arizona ranked the 14th best public undergraduate business school in the nation. 22nd overall tied with Notre Dame.

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 10:55 pm: Edit

Savedbythebell,

14th?? WOW, That is truly impressive.

So, how do you like there so far? Anything you do not like?

Thanks.

By Xiggi (Xiggi) on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 11:37 pm: Edit

The rankings are pretty baseless but here are some:

Rank/School/Peer Grade - According to US News 2004

1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 4.8
2. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan) 4.6
3. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) * 4.5
University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.5
5. New York University (Stern) 4.3
University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) * 4.3
7. Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.2
U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) * 4.2
University of Virginia (McIntire) * 4.2
10. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) * 4.1
11. U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 4.0
Univ. of Southern California (Marshall) 4.0
Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 4.0
14. Emory University (Goizueta) (GA) 3.9
Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson) * 3.9
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 3.9
17. Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) * 3.8
Pennsylvania State U.–University Park (Smeal) * 3.8
Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN)* 3.8
Univ. of Maryland–College Park (Smith) * 3.8
21. Arizona State University (Carey) * 3.7
Michigan State University (Broad) * 3.7
University of Arizona (Eller) * 3.7
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.7
University of Washington * 3.7
Wake Forest University (Calloway) (NC) 3.7
27. Boston College (Carroll) 3.6
Case Western Reserve Univ. (Weatherhead) (OH) 3.6
Georgetown University (McDonough) (DC) 3.6
University of Florida (Warrington) * 3.6
University of Georgia (Terry) * 3.6
32. Babson College (MA) 3.5
Texas A&M Univ.–College Station (Mays) * 3.5
University of Iowa (Tippie) * 3.5
University of Pittsburgh * 3.5
36. Brigham Young Univ.–Provo (Marriott) (UT) 3.4
Georgia Institute of Technology (DuPree) * 3.4
Southern Methodist University (Cox) (TX) 3.4
39. Boston University 3.3
Georgia State University (Robinson) * 3.3
Syracuse University (Whitman) (NY) 3.3
Tulane University (Freeman) (LA) 3.3
University of Colorado–Boulder * 3.3
Univ. of South Carolina–Columbia (Moore) * 3.3
Virginia Tech (Pamplin) * 3.3

The individual spacialty rankings are more interesting:

Undergraduate business specialties:
Undergraduate business specialties:
Accounting
1. U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign *
2. University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) *
3. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor *
4. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
5. Univ. of Southern California (Marshall)
6. Brigham Young Univ.–Provo (Marriott) (UT)
7. New York University (Stern)
8. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) *
9. U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) *
10. University of Florida (Warrington) *

Finance
1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
2. New York University (Stern)
3. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor *
4. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) *
5. University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) *
6. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan)
7. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) *
8. U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) *
9. Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) *
10. University of Virginia (McIntire) *

International Business
1. Univ. of South Carolina–Columbia (Moore) *
2. New York University (Stern)
3. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
4. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor *
5. Univ. of Southern California (Marshall)
6. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) *
7. Georgetown University (McDonough) (DC)
8. University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) *
9. University of Washington *
10. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) *

Management
1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
2. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor *
3. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) *
4. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) *
University of Virginia (McIntire) *
6. U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) *
7. University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) *
8. New York University (Stern)
9. Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) *
10. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan)

Management Information Systems
1. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan)
2. Carnegie Mellon University (PA)
3. University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) *
4. Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson) *
5. University of Arizona (Eller) *
6. Univ. of Maryland–College Park (Smith) *
7. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
8. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor *
9. New York University (Stern)
10. Georgia State University (Robinson) *
University of California–Berkeley (Haas) *

Marketing
1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
2. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor *
3. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) *
4. University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) *
5. U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) *
6. New York University (Stern)
7. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) *
8. University of Virginia (McIntire) *
9. Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison *
10. University of Florida (Warrington) *
U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign *
12. Pennsylvania State U.–University Park (Smeal) *
13. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan)
14. Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) *
15. Michigan State University (Broad) *
16. Univ. of Southern California (Marshall)
17. Arizona State University (Carey) *
Emory University (Goizueta) (GA)
19. Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson) *
University of Notre Dame (IN)

Production / Operations Management
1. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan)
2. Carnegie Mellon University (PA)
3. Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN)*
4. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor *
5. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
6. U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) *
7. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) *
8. Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) *
9. Michigan State University (Broad) *
10. Pennsylvania State U.–University Park (Smeal) *
University of California–Berkeley (Haas) *
University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) *
13. Arizona State University (Carey) *
Georgia Institute of Technology (DuPree) *
15. Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson) *
16. New York University (Stern)
17. Case Western Reserve Univ. (Weatherhead) (OH)
Univ. of Maryland–College Park (Smith) *
Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison *
20. U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign *

Supply Chain Management / Logistics
1. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan)
Michigan State University (Broad) *
3. Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) *
4. Pennsylvania State U.–University Park (Smeal) *
5. Arizona State University (Carey) *

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 01:00 am: Edit

Best Undergraduate Business Programs Rank/School Peer
assessment
score
(5.0 = highest)
1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 4.8
2. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan) 4.7
3. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.6
4. University of California–Berkeley (Haas) * 4.5
5. U. of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler) * 4.3
University of Virginia (McIntire) * 4.3
7. Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.2
New York University (Stern) 4.2
University of Texas–Austin (McCombs) * 4.2
10. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley) * 4.1
11. U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 4.0
Univ. of Southern California (Marshall) 4.0
Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 4.0
14. Ohio State University–Columbus (Fisher) * 3.9
Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN)* 3.9
Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson) * 3.9
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) 3.9
18. Emory University (Goizueta) (GA) 3.8
Pennsylvania State U.–University Park (Smeal) 3.8
Univ. of Maryland–College Park (Smith) * 3.8
University of Washington * 3.8
22. University of Arizona (Eller) * 3.7
University of Florida (Warrington) * 3.7
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.7
25. Arizona State University * 3.6
Case Western Reserve Univ. (Weatherhead) 3.6
Georgetown University (McDonough) (DC) 3.6
Michigan State University (Broad) * 3.6
University of Georgia (Terry) * 3.6
Wake Forest University (Calloway) (NC) 3.6
31. Babson College (MA) 3.5
Boston College (Carroll) 3.5
Southern Methodist University (Cox) (TX) 3.5
Texas A&M Univ.–College Station (Mays) * 3.5
35. Georgia Institute of Technology (DuPree) * 3.4
University of Iowa (Tippie) * 3.4
University of Pittsburgh * 3.4
38. Brigham Young Univ.–Provo (Marriott) (UT) 3.3
Syracuse University (NY) 3.3
Tulane University (Freeman) (LA) 3.3
University of Colorado–Boulder * 3.3
Virginia Tech (Pamplin) * 3.3
43. Bentley College (MA) 3.2
Boston University 3.2
Florida State University * 3.2
Univ. of South Carolina–Columbia (Moore) * 3.2
47. College of William and Mary (VA)* 3.1
George Washington University (DC) 3.1
Georgia State University (Robinson) * 3.1
Miami University–Oxford (Farmer) (OH)* 3.1
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (Lally) (NY) 3.1
Rochester Inst. of Technology (NY) 3.1
Santa Clara University (Leavey) (CA) 3.1
University of Alabama (Culverhouse) * 3.1
University of Arkansas (Walton) * 3.1
University of Kansas * 3.1
Univ. of Missouri–Columbia * 3.1
University of Oklahoma (Price) * 3.1
University of Oregon (Lundquist) * 3.1
Univ. of Tennessee–Knoxville * 3.1
University of Utah (Eccles) * 3.1
62. Baylor University (Hankamer) (TX) 3.0
CUNY–Baruch College (Zicklin) * 3.0
Louisiana State U.–Baton Rouge (Ourso) * 3.0
San Diego State University * 3.0
SUNY–University at Buffalo * 3.0
University of Connecticut * 3.0
University of Illinois–Chicago * 3.0
University of Miami (FL) 3.0
Univ. of Nebraska–Lincoln * 3.0
71. Auburn University (AL)* 2.9
Clemson University (SC)* 2.9
Iowa State University * 2.9
Northeastern University (MA) 2.9
Rutgers–New Brunswick (NJ)* 2.9
United States Air Force Acad. (CO)* 2.9
University of Kentucky (Gatton) * 2.9
Univ. of Massachusetts–Amherst (Isenberg) * 2.9
Washington State University * 2.9
80. American University (Kogod) (DC) 2.8
DePaul University (IL) 2.8
Fordham University (NY) 2.8
Lehigh University (PA) 2.8
Marquette University (WI) 2.8
North Carolina State U.–Raleigh * 2.8
Pepperdine University (Graziadio) (CA) 2.8
St. Louis University 2.8
Texas Christian University (Neeley) 2.8
University of Alabama–Birmingham * 2.8
University of Delaware * 2.8
University of Louisville (KY)* 2.8
University of Mississippi * 2.8
University of Richmond (Robins) (VA) 2.8
University of San Diego 2.8
Univ. of Wisconsin–Milwaukee * 2.8
Washington and Lee University (VA) 2.8
97. Colorado State University * 2.7
George Mason University (VA)* 2.7
James Madison University (VA)* 2.7
Kansas State University * 2.7
Loyola University Chicago 2.7
Ohio University * 2.7
Oklahoma State University * 2.7
Rutgers–Newark (NJ)* 2.7
Temple University (Fox) (PA)* 2.7
Texas Tech University (Rawls) * 2.7
University of Cincinnati * 2.7
University of Denver (Daniels) 2.7
University of Houston (Bauer) * 2.7
U. of North Carolina–Charlotte (Belk) * 2.7
Villanova University (PA) 2.7
112. California State U.–Los Angeles * 2.6
Cal Poly–San Luis Obispo * 2.6
Gonzaga University (WA) 2.6
Loyola Marymount University (CA) 2.6
Oregon State University * 2.6
San Jose State University (CA)* 2.6
SUNY–Albany * 2.6
SUNY–Binghamton * 2.6
University of Memphis (Fogelman) * 2.6
University of New Mexico (Anderson) * 2.6
University of San Francisco (McLaren) 2.6
Virginia Commonwealth University * 2.6
124. Bowling Green State University (OH)* 2.5
Creighton University (NE) 2.5
Drexel University (LeBow) (PA) 2.5
Hofstra University (Zarb) (NY) 2.5
Kent State University (OH)* 2.5
Loyola College in Maryland (Sellinger) 2.5
Loyola University New Orleans (Butt) 2.5
Northern Illinois University * 2.5
Pace University (Lubin) (NY) 2.5
Seton Hall University (Stillman) (NJ) 2.5
Southern Illinois U.–Carbondale * 2.5
St. John's University (NY) 2.5
Trinity University (TX) 2.5
University of Alabama–Huntsville * 2.5
Univ. of Arkansas–Little Rock * 2.5
Univ. of Colo.–Colorado Springs * 2.5
University of Colorado–Denver * 2.5
University of Dayton (OH) 2.5
Univ. of Missouri–Kansas City (Bloch) * 2.5
Univ. of Missouri–St. Louis * 2.5
University of Montana * 2.5
University of New Hampshire (Whittemore) * 2.5
University of Texas–Arlington * 2.5
Utah State University * 2.5
Wayne State University (MI)* 2.5

By Chiangkaishrek (Chiangkaishrek) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 04:09 am: Edit

USC's marshall undergrad program is a total circus.

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 09:36 am: Edit

Savedbythebell,

what year does rank refer to? Is it also UsNews rank?

Two ranks are slightly different...

By 22157 (22157) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 02:42 pm: Edit

Penn State: name recognition is a complicated phenomenon, just like fame itself. I mean who, in the world, apart from Elvis, the Pope, and maybe the current American president, is really known to everybody? Even the word 'Harvard', which surely signifies the world's best known academic organisation, might mean very little to a lot of native English speakers outside of the USA and Canada.

On the other hand when we become more specific we can quantify things more effectively. Most educated people will have heard of Oxford as well as Harvard. To narrow it down further most people in the social sciences and the world of public administration, from China to Peru, will have heard of LSE, just as most of their technological equivalents will know about MIT or Imperial College.And these names will register with large swathes of the middle class public in country after country. And believe me, in a world of 6 billion people that is an awful lot of significant name recognition.

But Penn State? The idea that many people outside the USA have heard of Penn State? I don't think so, not even in the most specialised professional strata, and this is in full awareness of the drawing power of US universities: Yale, Chicago, Columbia, Princeton, Stanford, UCLA, Caltech, MIT, Cornell, Brown, Berkeley,Virginia, Texas at Austin, Amherst, Wellesley etc etc-these are all names that will make waves in the average European/Asian boardroom or university staffroom, but sorry not Penn State, reputable though it may be.

You see that's another problem with name-recognition-it's random on the day to day level-it's perfectly possible to meet five people in a row, in different places, all of whom have never heard of Cambridge but who are aware of Penn State. That does not mean that Cambridge is unknown and Penn State famous, it just means that our everyday experience is chaotic and often arbitrary, until we check it out against other evidence-then we find that Penn State's name recognition pales beside that of any one of a good 30 US universities..

Penn State-sorry, I'm sure it's a nice place, but..

By Awe02 (Awe02) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 08:56 pm: Edit

well said. i lived abroad for 8 years, and i can tell you that most people have no idea about Penn State. you would get a few that mistake it for UPENN(i did too), other than that its relatively unknown outside of North america. Texas at austin and wellesley arent too well known abroad either. Ivys carry the biggest name recognition obviously, followed by UCLA, MIT, Stanford etc...

By Savedbythebell7 (Savedbythebell7) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 09:42 pm: Edit

Ceo where are you from?

By Thekev (Thekev) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 10:42 pm: Edit

Look at Oklahoma State University, U of Tulsa, &Purdue-- especially if you are interested in the energy or telecom industries.

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 11:42 pm: Edit

Savedbythebell,

I presently attending a University in NY, freshman yet.

Originally from central asia. does that matter?

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 11:44 pm: Edit

I am presently attending ..

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 11:56 pm: Edit

Purdue seems to be a decent University, but...

what the heck is $5,000.00 about? University service for?? Are they just deviding their tuition from service fees? Do you pay that service fee every year?

Anybody make it clear for me plz. Thanks

By Ceo1093 (Ceo1093) on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 11:57 pm: Edit

My english is a total mess today. Try to ignore it..

By Butterybandit (Butterybandit) on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 04:59 pm: Edit

Im from New York but i want to leave, Boston University or New York University. Both are the business schools.