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Hey, if you have any information regarding crime rate at ivies, please rank them according to the safest to the deadliest place. Of course non of the ivies is "deadliest" give the name of the university which you think is the deadliest....just for fun!

By Cru (Cru) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 09:24 am: Edit

I believe it is Penn.
All ivies are pretty bit safe, except for Penn. I heard that Penn is a good example of urban decay. The school is located in a poor neighborhood. I also heard that students live away from campus to avoid crime. But, this is just the rumors I've heard. I'm not sure about it. By the way, a Penn student actually got shot in 1996.

By Regulus (Regulus) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 12:03 pm: Edit

Penn and Yale are probably the most dangerous. Urban life comes with its problems. The campus of both is extremely safe though. Just use common sense; if you're going to one of these schools, you should have some.

By Regulus (Regulus) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 12:15 pm: Edit

Oops, forgot about Columbia; it's probably the worst.

By Ares15 (Ares15) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 07:38 pm: Edit

Cornell definitely. Everyone gets bored because there isn't anything to do in Ithica, so they kill themselves.

By a parent on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 09:46 pm: Edit

Columbia is not the worst at all. According to recent stats, Manhattan is the safest it's been in a CENTURY. The neighborhoods around Yale and Penn are much less nice. Also, this year Harvard has had a large number of sexual assaults -- go to the Crimson and check.

By Regulus (Regulus) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 11:58 pm: Edit

"Federal campus safety statistics show Yale to be very safe, significantly more so than comparable institutions such as Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Rochester, MIT, Columbia, and the University of Pennsylvania."

"Harvard to be relatively dangerous in terms of crimes against students; it is significantly less safe than institutions such as Brown, Johns Hopkins, Rochester, MIT, Yale, Cornell, and Princeton."

By Hilsdad on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:51 pm: Edit

Made a vist to Penn with my daughter on her 'college tour' last spring. I expected to dislike Penn based on location, etc..... but I was WRONG!! Campus is beautiful and safe, immediate 'college town district' on outskirts of the campus is Palo Alto-like upscale and attractive. I couldn't believe the security required to gain access to the dorms. My opinion of Penn on a number of levels, including fear of crime, shifted 180 degrees. I now talk Penn up when speaking with other parents.

I attended Columbia as an undergraduate and in 4 years there, we had only one incident. A burgler in our off-campus apartment. He jumped from a third floor window to get away when my roommates and I walked in on him, so I'm guessing he paid the price for his evil deed!

I did grad school at Harvard, and never ever felt unsafe in the Cambridge/Boston college areas. (P.S. - I am a male!)

For my money, Yale is the squirliest(?) situation crime wise. I'm sure the campus itself is safe, but the New Haven neighborhood it's in ain't too great! I'm a CT resident, so I'm not just talking rumor here.

By the way, Regulus, where do the quoted passages in your last post come from...please cite source.

By aa on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 02:55 pm: Edit

so which one is the safest college...??

By Morgantruce (Morgantruce) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 04:59 pm: Edit

University of Phoenix !!!!

You remain in your living room....

By Pennster (Pennster) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 09:26 pm: Edit

Are you retarded Cru? Maybe not, you probably just haven't visited the campus. Anyway, Penn's campus is amazing and SAFE. The security in and around the campus is very tight, maybe even overkill. The surrounding neighborhood is also very upscale. As for the most dangerous, I would have to say it's Yale.

By Cru (Cru) on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 09:31 pm: Edit

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dear pennster,
I said that I wasn't sure. I said that they were rumors I've heard... And, I visited Penn 2 times

By Pennster (Pennster) on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 10:55 pm: Edit

2 times?! Then what the hell were you thinking?

By Cru (Cru) on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 02:59 am: Edit

I didn't get a tour guide for both time...

By aaa on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:13 pm: Edit

my parents won't let me go to penn cause it's too dangerous

By Cornellian (Cornellian) on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 04:32 pm: Edit

aaa, your mom is foolish then. ALL the Ivy campuses are quite safe. They have security in and around campus, there's no reason to be fearful. If you're that pathetic, you can get an escort to walk around and hold your hand.

By aaa on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 06:49 pm: Edit

she lived in Philadelphia actually her whole life, and says that, yes, Penn is an oasis, but it is in probably the worst neighborhood in the entire country (highest murder rates)

By CZLAW on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 11:45 am: Edit

Actually, the US Office of Education maintains a web site that lists crime statistics for all college campuses including things like murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, etc.--- it also lists disciplinary action for things like underage drinking and drug offenses on campus. It even lists on campus hate crimes.

The site is ope.edu.gov/security/index.asp

It's a very enlightening site -- look at several colleges/universities to get a feel for how different schools compare. Some schools in "small Towns" or "small cities" are not as safe as one would think.

Carolyn

By ravi on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 01:57 pm: Edit

Thanks
the web site is
http://ope.ed.gov/security/Search.asp

By Aparent (Aparent) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 07:26 pm: Edit

Where is this upscale, Palo Alto neighborhood around Penn? I definitely must have taken a wrong turn somewhere...

By Sabzevarian (Sabzevarian) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 10:15 pm: Edit

The real question is: what is non-agressional rape? Looks like 1/5 girls are going to have some of that=p Hmm that catagory was there a few weeks ago, seems to be gone now

By Pisces (Pisces) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 10:24 pm: Edit

Obviously all the colleges are going to say that their campuses are safe- and they probably are. No one's going to fork over tens of thousands of dollars a year to put their kid in a dangerous place. The campuses all have the special alarm boxes, police escorts etc. As far as sexual assault goes, I dont think that has anything to do with the safeness of the campus. Statistically, it's much more likely for that to happen at a party than to be pulled into a dark alley somewhere.
The thing everyone should be more worried about is the neighborhood. you're not going to spend the next four years on campus. If safety is a huge concern, you should look at the surroundings. Obviously, rural colleges will have less crime than cities. Basically, i think the campuses themselves are safe, it's everything around them that's questionable.

By Mikus (Mikus) on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 11:31 pm: Edit

I heard Princeton was the safest school. They won some kind of award. But no one really pays attention to these things-- they only notice which school isn't. And I can't even remember what the award was. How fitting, lol.

By Shady_Lady (Shady_Lady) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 04:25 pm: Edit

Ok i don't think that ivies have a less chance of crimes,any more schools aren't safe. And if they say they are,doesn't mean that they are. They may just say that cause they want you to apply at their school and give them money.

By Aznbreakdancer3 (Aznbreakdancer3) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 08:25 pm: Edit

I'm from Connecticut. No one in my school applies to Yale because we all know that New Haven is one of the most dangerous cities in Connecticut.

By Sabzevarian (Sabzevarian) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 08:26 pm: Edit

Sounds like New Haven is a haven for crime=p

By Aznbreakdancer3 (Aznbreakdancer3) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 08:27 pm: Edit

Oh yeah about that. I went to the Model UN conference at Yale this year. My friend and I decided to take a detour on the prescribed route from the Yale campus to our hotel. On our way to our hotel, we were asked several times if we wanted drugs. Once we got upstairs in our room, we noticed that there were 4-5 police cars in the area arresting people in the place we had just passed.

By Qwer (Qwer) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 01:05 am: Edit

please take caution in what you read and what is reported. for example, i am a harvard student and according to the US DOE, harvard has the highest rape count in the ivy league.

this is because the rape count is reported to the DOE by harvard and harvard takes things VERY SERIOUSLY. according to the DOE guidelines, rape does not necessarily have to be sex.

so, if you were at a party and felt someone accidentally rub against your breasts while dancing...and you choose to report it...that counts! that will go on permanent record as a violent rape occurence at harvard and is reported to the DOE.

meanwhile, other schools...look at penn's own conduct jurisprudence guidelines: violent rape is defined as forcible rape requiring penetration.

thus, the numbers can and may be skewed by each individual school's criteria and reporting measures to the DOE.

By Lizardbreath (Lizardbreath) on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 09:08 am: Edit

This thread is incredibly silly...all of these campuses are incredibly safe, Penn and Yale included. First of all, the comment that Penn is in the worst neighborhood in the country is ridiculous. West Philadelphia does not have the highest murder rates in the country. While there is a marked difference between the students and the neighborhood residents, it isn't a dangerous place. That is like saying that anywhere where there is a large working class population is unsafe. And to the person that talked about people not living on Penn's campus--you are correct, many of Penn's students don't live on campus. There is not enough housing for everyone, so most students live within 3 blocks of campus to the west and southwest. They live further into West Philly than campus itself lies. You can see how that would be incongruent with your statement. Additionally, many of Penn's grad students live even further west, and are perfectly safe (except for MBA's who can afford to live in Center City).

Rape on campus is an entirely different issue. Most rapes are perpetrated by other students, meaning that all of these campuses are about equal in terms of rape. Columbia students aren't any more violent than Brown students ...